It has to be legal. Are you saying Free Software hackers should degrade themselves and thier software to the level of warez d00dz? Yeah, lookin for the Linux kernel? Go to the nearest warez site.
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Well, obviously if/when Free Software is the main model of programming, there will be a need for much less programmers. There are a lot of BAD programmers out there, and it is them (and probably a lot of good programmers, too) who will be out of jobs. Coding Free Software is much more efficient than coding proprietary software (try comparing the hours worked on the Linux kernel, to, say, the NT kernel). And programmers will mostly cooperate instead of compete. There will definatly be a slimming of the herd.
KDE and GNOME and a few smallish apps on them, like file managers, help systems, and panels. But the real benifits of these desktops is indirect. KDE and GNOME provide services to the apps, which in turn make better apps which help you out. If you want to find out exactly what they do, go to thier websites: www.kde.org and www.gnome.org.
Yeah i'll admit that the default GNOME looks a bit clunky, but a great thing about GNOME is its ability to change. Here are some things i've done to pretty up my GNOME:
Coordination: since i have drawn most of my own bitmaps on my desktop, i have kept up a consistant purplish-grey color with bright yellow active areas.
Enlightenment: use it. I made a custom theme to match my GTK theme, and it looks great.
Backround pixmap: use some cool stuff, try for color coordination more than a kick-a$$ image.
GTK+ themes: I used thin-ice, which is fast, and the best-looking widgets i've ever seen. Very clean and proffesional looking while not being boring. I didn't like the default colors so i changed them to a more pleasing purplish-gray.
Quicklaunch or something like that: it's a panel app which will display smaller icons if you don't like the larger ones.
Put a bit of work into it, and you can make your GNOME desktop look really sweet.
Read the other posts before you post something yourself! I started reading this because i'm interested in the subject, but stopped about half way through because all i read was the same three or four different messages worded differently. And i'm not even saying what my own opinions are, but most of the posts are just plain wrong! Please know what you're talking about before you post and back up what you say with some real facts or real logic cause you're on the internet and just a couple of lines of HTML and NO ONE WILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR ANYTHING! I like reading the posts cause i usually get some nice suplementary information from them, but PLEASE:
* read others posts before you post yourself
* support your ideas with facts and/or sound logic, if you don't have any facts and/or sound logic, then don't post!
* please do as i did and refrain from titling your post as something like this (and i do see this a lot): "AHH!! EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT! YOU ALL ARE SO DAMN STUPID!"
No, RMS is responsible for almost everything that comprises of a core UNIX system *EXEPT* the kernel. RMS did a lot more work that Linus.
And what the hell do thier personalities have to do with acceptance of thier beleifs? This is computer software, not Hollywood. How many people judge software by its authors?? And what's wrong with being a long-bearded hippie anyway??
Common, who with any amount of brains is gonna use a proprietary format, let alone a proprietary IMAGE format. Yeah, how well is this thing going to last, and how well will it ever be supported. It's common law that proprietary formats always die. There is of course some exeptions, like the M$ Word format, but that's only used a.) because Word has the monopoly on word processors, and b.) also intelligent people only use it (forgetting the fact that an intelligent person would use LaTeX:) for inside there own editor, not for when they want large numbers of people to see it. No large company has a monopoly on image formats, Free Software has a stake in it, many smaller companies do, and so do large companies like Adobe, Macromedia (i really hate proprietary software, but that company comes out with some really awesome software), M$, and Netscape.
Yeah, i know it's flame bait, but listen... it's probably obvious that i like GNOME better, but that's beside the point and i won't even go into any technical aspects of them. The point is this: GNOME has more support than KDE, and people (hell even me) want to go with the desktop that will last. GNOME has the assurance of the GPL, it has the major distros like Redhat and Debian behind them, and by the number of GNOME apps coming out even though GNOME isn't even FINISHED yet and it's still buggy and hard to compile and not well documented, it looks like much more people are developing for GNOME now. Just take a look at freshmeat and count the number of new GNOME (or GTK+ which is already halfway to GNOME) apps vs. the number of new KDE apps. GNOME has won and KDE may not die but it'll never be big like GNOME will be. It doesn't matter who's better in this war.
They're putting up a great fight in the M$ vs. World battle, but can't they at least fight fair? Us OSS guys fight by making quality software. M$ fights by restricting our rights with patents, and making EVERYTHING non-cross platform and proprietary. Damn you M$! You make everything hard for us.
And hey, what do you know? I just happen to be in the proccess of designing what looks to be a direct competitor for COOL. I'm still working on the language standard now (it's mostly done, I just have to clean it up and do some work on defining the standard library), but when I'm done I may make an implementation of the language. It's byte-compiled like Java but... well, it's a lot better. If anyone has anything they would like to see in a language, they might want to email me now at mattcorby@exotrope.net. Of course, once the standard is ready I'll have a period where it'll be up for public viewing and poking at. Just thought I'd let you/.ers know, there is hope:)
This guy is a bisuness man, he has no idea what he's talking about. Besides his problems with his logic (which were already noted in some above posts) he seems to be claiming that free software has a very small market share and the market share isn't gonna succeed and its companies are going to make decisions about the future of free software. What a joke. Sure some bisuness have found ways to make a bit of money off free software, and some contribute to it, but in no way do they control it. The majority of free software is simply stuff people do in thier spare time, and they would usually LIKE to see it widely used, but they aren't going to go through any corperate hotshot bs to make it widely used. This is definitly the most ignorant free software FUD i have ever seen. And oh yeah, this IS FUD alright.
Ports to Win32 usually are done in VC because GCC was made for Unices and the Win32 ports are kind of clunky. And he probably has do use VC at work because his boss is a bisunessman and not a programmer (ie he don't know what he's talking about)
Speed: try PGCC, which gives a 10-30% speed improvement for Pentiums. And i know how this may sound, but GCC really is its own standard. The source is opened, so that whole monopoly thing doesn't apply. And it does run under almost every modern platform. Inotherwords, there's i personally have NEVER found a reason to try to get code tested with GCC to work with another compiler.
DDD is just a debuger, not an IDE. Emacs and X Emacs are IDEs. I haven't used a MS IDE since QuickBASIC 4.5, and a couple days ago i was playing with VB 5.0 on a MS computer, but i find it hard to believe that one of thier crappy "visual" IDEs could beat Emacs for anything but the learning curve and useless glitter. And GCC looses a lot for portability. It must go through a couple intermediate phases for portability (and to have MANY language front ends, which rules), and that makes it suck for compile time. And because it can compile for many machines, it isn't much optimized for any particular one. Unless you use PGCC, which optimizes for Pentiums. That will give you a 10-30% speed improvement.
one of the reasons that Unix is better that windows is that it's mostly component based. You say GCC has no IDE or debugger, but you only have to look to another package to find it. Try Emacs or X EMacs for a time-tested IDE without all that useless "visual" crap. GDB is a debugger with a lot of good front ends like the Data Display Debugger. If you're using GTK+, you could used Glade.
Your arguments are not only totally empty and without proof, but it is quite obvious you have no idea what your talking about. Not about solid foundations, or about the Free Software philosiphy. You're wasting bandwidth, dude.
you're talking about the 1.1.x series, right? That's a development series bud. I personally have not seen any older programs affected by installing new gtk+ libs and i do use most of the cutting edge gtk+ stuff and compile almost none of the stuff myself. They say they'll have the backwards compatability stuff fixed by 1.2. But what does it matter anyway? libc6 aint backwards compatable with libc5, it's a very common practice among libraries which makes it so newer programs don't need to load all that backwards compatable crap in it.
Putting food on the tables of a couple programmers and bisuness executives is costing thousands... hey, maybe they should think of the good of the people instead of thier own selfish goals... if they wanted to make at least somewhat honest money they shouldn't of made a proprietary library to be used on a free system. The only reason they freed it as much as they did is cause they knew the linux community would eventually go to a free system like gnome, as they have historically gone to free software over competing proprietary software.
Goddam, how many posts to slashdot have a subject with its only text commenting on how dumb or crazy "you all" are!?!? Yes i am dumb and i am crazy, for godsakes!
ROMs are information. One cannot steal information, only free it from those who hoard it. I find pirating morally acceptable, hell, even required. I could care less about how this affects the information hoarders paychecks.
ROMs are information. One cannot steal information, only free it from those who hoard it. I find pirating morally acceptable, hell, even required. I could care less about how this affects the information hoarders paychecks.
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It has to be legal. Are you saying Free Software hackers should degrade themselves and thier software to the level of warez d00dz? Yeah, lookin for the Linux kernel? Go to the nearest warez site.
effin' capatalist
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Well, obviously if/when Free Software is the main model of programming, there will be a need for much less programmers. There are a lot of BAD programmers out there, and it is them (and probably a lot of good programmers, too) who will be out of jobs. Coding Free Software is much more efficient than coding proprietary software (try comparing the hours worked on the Linux kernel, to, say, the NT kernel). And programmers will mostly cooperate instead of compete. There will definatly be a slimming of the herd.
KDE and GNOME and a few smallish apps on them, like file managers, help systems, and panels. But the real benifits of these desktops is indirect. KDE and GNOME provide services to the apps, which in turn make better apps which help you out. If you want to find out exactly what they do, go to thier websites: www.kde.org and www.gnome.org.
Yeah i'll admit that the default GNOME looks a bit clunky, but a great thing about GNOME is its ability to change. Here are some things i've done to pretty up my GNOME:
Coordination: since i have drawn most of my own bitmaps on my desktop, i have kept up a consistant purplish-grey color with bright yellow active areas.
Enlightenment: use it. I made a custom theme to match my GTK theme, and it looks great.
Backround pixmap: use some cool stuff, try for color coordination more than a kick-a$$ image.
GTK+ themes: I used thin-ice, which is fast, and the best-looking widgets i've ever seen. Very clean and proffesional looking while not being boring. I didn't like the default colors so i changed them to a more pleasing purplish-gray.
Quicklaunch or something like that: it's a panel app which will display smaller icons if you don't like the larger ones.
Put a bit of work into it, and you can make your GNOME desktop look really sweet.
Read the other posts before you post something yourself! I started reading this because i'm interested in the subject, but stopped about half way through because all i read was the same three or four different messages worded differently. And i'm not even saying what my own opinions are, but most of the posts are just plain wrong! Please know what you're talking about before you post and back up what you say with some real facts or real logic cause you're on the internet and just a couple of lines of HTML and NO ONE WILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR ANYTHING! I like reading the posts cause i usually get some nice suplementary information from them, but PLEASE:
* read others posts before you post yourself
* support your ideas with facts and/or sound logic, if you don't have any facts and/or sound logic, then don't post!
* please do as i did and refrain from titling your post as something like this (and i do see this a lot): "AHH!! EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT! YOU ALL ARE SO DAMN STUPID!"
No, RMS is responsible for almost everything that comprises of a core UNIX system *EXEPT* the kernel. RMS did a lot more work that Linus.
And what the hell do thier personalities have to do with acceptance of thier beleifs? This is computer software, not Hollywood. How many people judge software by its authors?? And what's wrong with being a long-bearded hippie anyway??
Common, who with any amount of brains is gonna use a proprietary format, let alone a proprietary IMAGE format. Yeah, how well is this thing going to last, and how well will it ever be supported. It's common law that proprietary formats always die. There is of course some exeptions, like the M$ Word format, but that's only used a.) because Word has the monopoly on word processors, and b.) also intelligent people only use it (forgetting the fact that an intelligent person would use LaTeX :) for inside there own editor, not for when they want large numbers of people to see it. No large company has a monopoly on image formats, Free Software has a stake in it, many smaller companies do, and so do large companies like Adobe, Macromedia (i really hate proprietary software, but that company comes out with some really awesome software), M$, and Netscape.
Yeah, i know it's flame bait, but listen... it's probably obvious that i like GNOME better, but that's beside the point and i won't even go into any technical aspects of them. The point is this: GNOME has more support than KDE, and people (hell even me) want to go with the desktop that will last. GNOME has the assurance of the GPL, it has the major distros like Redhat and Debian behind them, and by the number of GNOME apps coming out even though GNOME isn't even FINISHED yet and it's still buggy and hard to compile and not well documented, it looks like much more people are developing for GNOME now. Just take a look at freshmeat and count the number of new GNOME (or GTK+ which is already halfway to GNOME) apps vs. the number of new KDE apps. GNOME has won and KDE may not die but it'll never be big like GNOME will be. It doesn't matter who's better in this war.
They're putting up a great fight in the M$ vs. World battle, but can't they at least fight fair? Us OSS guys fight by making quality software. M$ fights by restricting our rights with patents, and making EVERYTHING non-cross platform and proprietary. Damn you M$! You make everything hard for us.
/.ers know, there is hope :)
And hey, what do you know? I just happen to be in the proccess of designing what looks to be a direct competitor for COOL. I'm still working on the language standard now (it's mostly done, I just have to clean it up and do some work on defining the standard library), but when I'm done I may make an implementation of the language. It's byte-compiled like Java but... well, it's a lot better. If anyone has anything they would like to see in a language, they might want to email me now at mattcorby@exotrope.net. Of course, once the standard is ready I'll have a period where it'll be up for public viewing and poking at. Just thought I'd let you
This guy is a bisuness man, he has no idea what he's talking about. Besides his problems with his logic (which were already noted in some above posts) he seems to be claiming that free software has a very small market share and the market share isn't gonna succeed and its companies are going to make decisions about the future of free software. What a joke. Sure some bisuness have found ways to make a bit of money off free software, and some contribute to it, but in no way do they control it. The majority of free software is simply stuff people do in thier spare time, and they would usually LIKE to see it widely used, but they aren't going to go through any corperate hotshot bs to make it widely used. This is definitly the most ignorant free software FUD i have ever seen. And oh yeah, this IS FUD alright.
Ports to Win32 usually are done in VC because GCC was made for Unices and the Win32 ports are kind of clunky. And he probably has do use VC at work because his boss is a bisunessman and not a programmer (ie he don't know what he's talking about)
Speed: try PGCC, which gives a 10-30% speed improvement for Pentiums. And i know how this may sound, but GCC really is its own standard. The source is opened, so that whole monopoly thing doesn't apply. And it does run under almost every modern platform. Inotherwords, there's i personally have NEVER found a reason to try to get code tested with GCC to work with another compiler.
DDD is just a debuger, not an IDE. Emacs and X Emacs are IDEs. I haven't used a MS IDE since QuickBASIC 4.5, and a couple days ago i was playing with VB 5.0 on a MS computer, but i find it hard to believe that one of thier crappy "visual" IDEs could beat Emacs for anything but the learning curve and useless glitter. And GCC looses a lot for portability. It must go through a couple intermediate phases for portability (and to have MANY language front ends, which rules), and that makes it suck for compile time. And because it can compile for many machines, it isn't much optimized for any particular one. Unless you use PGCC, which optimizes for Pentiums. That will give you a 10-30% speed improvement.
one of the reasons that Unix is better that windows is that it's mostly component based. You say GCC has no IDE or debugger, but you only have to look to another package to find it. Try Emacs or X EMacs for a time-tested IDE without all that useless "visual" crap. GDB is a debugger with a lot of good front ends like the Data Display Debugger. If you're using GTK+, you could used Glade.
Your arguments are not only totally empty and without proof, but it is quite obvious you have no idea what your talking about. Not about solid foundations, or about the Free Software philosiphy. You're wasting bandwidth, dude.
you're talking about the 1.1.x series, right? That's a development series bud. I personally have not seen any older programs affected by installing new gtk+ libs and i do use most of the cutting edge gtk+ stuff and compile almost none of the stuff myself. They say they'll have the backwards compatability stuff fixed by 1.2. But what does it matter anyway? libc6 aint backwards compatable with libc5, it's a very common practice among libraries which makes it so newer programs don't need to load all that backwards compatable crap in it.
Putting food on the tables of a couple programmers and bisuness executives is costing thousands... hey, maybe they should think of the good of the people instead of thier own selfish goals... if they wanted to make at least somewhat honest money they shouldn't of made a proprietary library to be used on a free system. The only reason they freed it as much as they did is cause they knew the linux community would eventually go to a free system like gnome, as they have historically gone to free software over competing proprietary software.
i give a damn about your idealogical problems. Don't listen to that corperate zombie.
You're saying direct democracy possibly using computers is bad cause you saw a MOVIE about it... stay away from the boob tube, man.
Gates over $50 billion dollars of americans money from his microsoft tax - 5 billion is one tenth of what he owes the people back.
Goddam, how many posts to slashdot have a subject with its only text commenting on how dumb or crazy "you all" are!?!? Yes i am dumb and i am crazy, for godsakes!
...from texas who lives in a shack with his chevy and his 22 and is crazy enough to help us all...
ROMs are information. One cannot steal information, only free it from those who hoard it. I find pirating morally acceptable, hell, even required. I could care less about how this affects the information hoarders paychecks.
ROMs are information. One cannot steal information, only free it from those who hoard it. I find pirating morally acceptable, hell, even required. I could care less about how this affects the information hoarders paychecks.