If there were only two people involved it's not worth any effort to stop it.
Now you are off the deep end here. Your argument was that a single person would not buy single copies and share them because they are 1.5x the cost. Refuting you, I pointed out that two people could pool up to buy single copies and pirate them, costing 0.75x the normal cost.
Again.. choose your arguments more carefully.. because purposefully ignoring the obvious in order to try to save your sad arguments that have no merit is the height of intellectual dishonesty. (ie: stop being a dishonest fuck)
If it were really as hard to file a suit, then there wouldn't be so many cases resulting in the government having to pay restitution.
There are multiple reasons that the government might have to pay restitution in "many cases"
For instance, there could be a successful lawsuit in 100% of 5000 cases.
Or, there could be a successful lawsuit in 0.01% of 50000000 cases.
This is why we need a free press, and I dont just mean free from government harassment (will Eric Holder ever serve time for his crimes against the press?)
and it's possible to encrypt passwords so that they're secure in the database and yet still retrievable
No. Just no. It is not possible to ENCRYPT the passwords so that they are secure. Encryption is the WRONG TOOL for storing passwords, because with encryption then is ultimately unencryptable and therefore someone can know for certain what your password is.
To be quite specific, I want there to be billions of "passwords" that hash to the same value thats in their database for my account, so that even when an attacker finds a collision he still won't know what I fucking use for a password.
Salting helps against rainbow tables, but its irrelevant to the integrity of the password itself.
The important thing is that the hash is lossy so that even if salt+"abc613" hashes to the value in the database, that there is no reason to believe that "abc613" was actually the password the user was using.. He could have been using "manbearpig", for example. This is a case where longer hash values actually helps the hacker/cracker.
I dont pretend to know what the optimal size of the stored hash should be in order to protect the users passwords, but I think its almost certainly less than 32 bits. 32-bits is wide enough that attempting to find a hash collision at the login prompt is still silly, while also making the information gleaned from a brute force attack of the hash values almost useless.
However a lot of people seem to not understand that thats quite useless in and of itself.
The best case is if they were using a salted lossy hash system.
Its counter-intuitive, but throwing away part of the hashed value actually increases user security because more possible hash collisions means that the actual password the user chose is obscured in instances such as this. Thats exactly how UNIX DES password systems worked in the days when/etc/passwd actually contained password information. The gist was the even if you got the contents of the file, and then found a hash collision for a particular account, that you still probably didnt know the original password. You could log into that account on that machine, but that didnt likely help logging in anywhere else even if the user used the same password everywhere.
You should go talk to Intel or AMD about your opinions on the matter, because I assure you that the specific layout of their chips is based on machine learning algorithms. No human can realistically optimize circuits containing a billion transistors.
As a matter of fact, I recall genetic algorithms being thrown at rather small circuit design problems and producing solutions that were better than any human had come up with. Ah yes, here it is: Sorting networks and the END search algorithm.
-- "Even a 25-year old result for the upper bound on the number of comparators for the 13-input case has been improved by one comparator"
I just am getting tired of seeing libertarian drivel on Slashdot. I'm seriously sensing infiltration by the Koch brothers here or something. I mean are you seriously a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist that honestly believes "they" are 'out to get you'?
Yes, your "sensing the infiltration by the Koch brothers" makes you a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Funny how you folk always seem to attribute to others what you are actually the guilty party of.
..and apple doesnt do it on OS/X while Microsoft was trying it on all Windows 8's of any flavor....
It truly does boggle the mind what Microsoft was thinking, and this is coming from someone that doesnt hate Microsoft.
Its not the Metro Interface that is the problem. Its the restrictions associated with it. They took the strongest quality of their ecosystem and buried it out back.
Windows users dont even want a fucking integrated app store, let alone be forced to use the damn thing.
...or worse, your data may be governed by the laws of multiple countries because that "cloud" provider has servers in both the U.S. and Europe and shuttles backups across the pond (which is good from a backup standpoint, but bad from a security standpoint)
Tell us where you live and what your wifi password is, and then you will have an analog to google. Keep in mind that its almost a certainty that some kiddie porn guy will be parking in front of your house if you do that.
A human fetus is a human. Sounds stupid when its "toddler vs person", doesnt it?
Of course you could bring in the "a fetus is dependent on the mother" stuff, but all children are dependent too, often dependent to the same mother this argument invoked.
Killing a human fetus is killing a human. Thats the science of it. The debate has never been one of deciding if a human fetus is or isnt a human. The debate has always been if its OK in specific circumstances to go ahead and kill a human or not. If this form of the argument offends you, then maybe you need to rethink the justifications that you have for your position, possibly even alter your position because its not consistent with your grander world view.
The final figure is about 6% transmission loss in the United States overall, a shockingly easy to derive figure. The total loss is the total amount produced by the industry minus the total amount delivered by the industry.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Nothing about due process. Nothing about congress deciding what is ok and what is not ok. Nothing about laws.
With all that said, your location data which is derived from and transmitted to remote equipment isnt one of your possessions. It would, however, be a possession of the equipment owner. I think that, unfortunately, its the telecom companies that are the ones with standing on this matter. Also unfortunate is the fact that they are regulated up the ass already, and surely respond to government demands in a manner contrary to whats right, or even whats most profitable.
A lot of things get killed when they get in the way of this industry.
It seems to me that the green movement only sees things one way. When environmental concerns are used to stop industry, thats stopping evil industry. But then when those same environmental concerns are used to stop their own poorly planned out project, its suddenly industry thats the bad guy again.
Then they try to vilify specific right wing groups by name, such as libertarians and the tea party. Proof is on the same page as this post.
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Well, Coors Light is Alcohol and Hops in a water solution. Is there any reason to believe that this solution isnt related to the problem?
People are forgetting that the "while some contractor got away with tons of public money" is the key problem and villian in this story.
The contractor isnt the villain. The public employee that approved the spending is the villain.
We need more true patriots.
If there were only two people involved it's not worth any effort to stop it.
Now you are off the deep end here. Your argument was that a single person would not buy single copies and share them because they are 1.5x the cost. Refuting you, I pointed out that two people could pool up to buy single copies and pirate them, costing 0.75x the normal cost.
Again.. choose your arguments more carefully.. because purposefully ignoring the obvious in order to try to save your sad arguments that have no merit is the height of intellectual dishonesty. (ie: stop being a dishonest fuck)
Except that two people would be paying 0.75 the price each... an actual discount, followed by altruism.
Consider your arguments more carefully.
If it were really as hard to file a suit, then there wouldn't be so many cases resulting in the government having to pay restitution.
There are multiple reasons that the government might have to pay restitution in "many cases"
For instance, there could be a successful lawsuit in 100% of 5000 cases.
Or, there could be a successful lawsuit in 0.01% of 50000000 cases.
This is why we need a free press, and I dont just mean free from government harassment (will Eric Holder ever serve time for his crimes against the press?)
When its voluntary and mutually beneficial, its free enterprise.
When its voluntary but not mutually beneficial, its (idealized) communism.
When its involuntary, regardless of how many benefit, its slavery.
and it's possible to encrypt passwords so that they're secure in the database and yet still retrievable
No. Just no. It is not possible to ENCRYPT the passwords so that they are secure. Encryption is the WRONG TOOL for storing passwords, because with encryption then is ultimately unencryptable and therefore someone can know for certain what your password is.
To be quite specific, I want there to be billions of "passwords" that hash to the same value thats in their database for my account, so that even when an attacker finds a collision he still won't know what I fucking use for a password.
Neither of you seem to have any idea what the security implications are.
Salting helps against rainbow tables, but its irrelevant to the integrity of the password itself.
The important thing is that the hash is lossy so that even if salt+"abc613" hashes to the value in the database, that there is no reason to believe that "abc613" was actually the password the user was using.. He could have been using "manbearpig", for example. This is a case where longer hash values actually helps the hacker/cracker.
I dont pretend to know what the optimal size of the stored hash should be in order to protect the users passwords, but I think its almost certainly less than 32 bits. 32-bits is wide enough that attempting to find a hash collision at the login prompt is still silly, while also making the information gleaned from a brute force attack of the hash values almost useless.
Yes, they werent in plaintext..
/etc/passwd actually contained password information. The gist was the even if you got the contents of the file, and then found a hash collision for a particular account, that you still probably didnt know the original password. You could log into that account on that machine, but that didnt likely help logging in anywhere else even if the user used the same password everywhere.
However a lot of people seem to not understand that thats quite useless in and of itself.
The best case is if they were using a salted lossy hash system.
Its counter-intuitive, but throwing away part of the hashed value actually increases user security because more possible hash collisions means that the actual password the user chose is obscured in instances such as this. Thats exactly how UNIX DES password systems worked in the days when
You should go talk to Intel or AMD about your opinions on the matter, because I assure you that the specific layout of their chips is based on machine learning algorithms. No human can realistically optimize circuits containing a billion transistors.
As a matter of fact, I recall genetic algorithms being thrown at rather small circuit design problems and producing solutions that were better than any human had come up with. Ah yes, here it is: Sorting networks and the END search algorithm.
-- "Even a 25-year old result for the upper bound on the number of comparators for the 13-input case has been improved by one comparator"
What the hell are you talking about? You do realize that we are talking about a simple pipe, right?
I just am getting tired of seeing libertarian drivel on Slashdot. I'm seriously sensing infiltration by the Koch brothers here or something. I mean are you seriously a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist that honestly believes "they" are 'out to get you'?
Yes, your "sensing the infiltration by the Koch brothers" makes you a tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Funny how you folk always seem to attribute to others what you are actually the guilty party of.
20 years later all the U.S. Army sharpshooters will coincidentally be from this town.
..and apple doesnt do it on OS/X while Microsoft was trying it on all Windows 8's of any flavor....
It truly does boggle the mind what Microsoft was thinking, and this is coming from someone that doesnt hate Microsoft.
Its not the Metro Interface that is the problem. Its the restrictions associated with it. They took the strongest quality of their ecosystem and buried it out back.
Windows users dont even want a fucking integrated app store, let alone be forced to use the damn thing.
...or worse, your data may be governed by the laws of multiple countries because that "cloud" provider has servers in both the U.S. and Europe and shuttles backups across the pond (which is good from a backup standpoint, but bad from a security standpoint)
Tell us where you live and what your wifi password is, and then you will have an analog to google. Keep in mind that its almost a certainty that some kiddie porn guy will be parking in front of your house if you do that.
That puts everyone on slashdot within the 3 hop limit.
Thanks a lot.
Fetus vs person.
A human fetus is a human. Sounds stupid when its "toddler vs person", doesnt it?
Of course you could bring in the "a fetus is dependent on the mother" stuff, but all children are dependent too, often dependent to the same mother this argument invoked.
Killing a human fetus is killing a human. Thats the science of it. The debate has never been one of deciding if a human fetus is or isnt a human. The debate has always been if its OK in specific circumstances to go ahead and kill a human or not. If this form of the argument offends you, then maybe you need to rethink the justifications that you have for your position, possibly even alter your position because its not consistent with your grander world view.
The final figure is about 6% transmission loss in the United States overall, a shockingly easy to derive figure. The total loss is the total amount produced by the industry minus the total amount delivered by the industry.
The World Bank lists it by country.
Its apparently OK to abort a downs fetus, but not to sterilize a downs person.
I'm not a pro-lifer, but the idiocy of it all...
4th:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Nothing about due process. Nothing about congress deciding what is ok and what is not ok. Nothing about laws.
With all that said, your location data which is derived from and transmitted to remote equipment isnt one of your possessions. It would, however, be a possession of the equipment owner. I think that, unfortunately, its the telecom companies that are the ones with standing on this matter. Also unfortunate is the fact that they are regulated up the ass already, and surely respond to government demands in a manner contrary to whats right, or even whats most profitable.
except : this thing isn't build by the green movement, just some investment bankers trying to go with the hype.
No true Scotsmen then?
A lot of things get killed when they get in the way of this industry.
It seems to me that the green movement only sees things one way. When environmental concerns are used to stop industry, thats stopping evil industry. But then when those same environmental concerns are used to stop their own poorly planned out project, its suddenly industry thats the bad guy again.
Then they try to vilify specific right wing groups by name, such as libertarians and the tea party. Proof is on the same page as this post.