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Ask Slashdot: How To Deliver a Print Magazine Online, While Avoiding Piracy?

An anonymous reader writes "I work for a technical magazine that has been available in print for over 40 years. Moving to providing an alternative subscription available online has been hard; the electronic version is quickly pirated and easily available around the world each month. We are a small company, and our survival depends not only on advertising but on the subscription fees. Do any slashdotters have experience of delivering electronic magazines via a subscription service in a way that is cost effective and secure?"

298 comments

  1. Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best approach for dealing with piracy is making it easy to go after those that do it, without making it harder for everyone else. There are a number of good fingerprinting / watermarking schemes around. Try that as first approach with a readable "This copy has been bought by XXX" marker on the first or second page to make it obvious that it is a personalized copy.

    1. Re:Fingerprint it! by OpticalPaul · · Score: 2

      Watermarking can be considered in addition to "secure document" techniques, such as password-protected PDF files. While technology cannot prevent piracy (and just as a printed magazine can be photocopied or scanned and shared), technology can remind users to behave. If each copy can be traced to the original user, those users should be disincented from piracy. Finding a balance between security and usability may be a more difficult issue to resolve.

    2. Re:Fingerprint it! by bazmail · · Score: 2

      Good thinking. And when your laptop is stolen/infected with a trojan and your files eventually make their way onto the net, you can be sued. Everybody wins.

    3. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For a technical magazine with a thousand subscribers that might work, but in general this technique is dumb. So what if a DVD leaked online which was watermarked as belonging to Anonymous C. Oward ? There's zero liability due to viruses and trojans. The risk of public shaming will not secure the computers of the world (if only it would be that easy... "THIS is the picture of the idiot who wants to increase his manhood by software").

    4. Re:Fingerprint it! by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Informative

      Password protected PDF secure? You're kidding, right?

      My wife and I had some password protected PDFs that wouldn't open on our e-readers. I stripped the passwords in about 5 seconds, since I had the passwords because we were authorized users. No problems reading on our devices after that.

      These PDFs were part of a collection, some were passworded, most were not. My wife and I both had the same password even though we downloaded with differing credentials, so I'm assuming everybody got the same password. Security, what's that?

    5. Re:Fingerprint it! by murdocj · · Score: 0

      right... "Oh, I didn't post those files on the Internet, some virus stole my pdfs and posted them". Really?

    6. Re:Fingerprint it! by murdocj · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How about if you know who posted the last copy online, he doesn't get any more issues? Assuming that most people are honest (and I believe they are) makes it easy to weed out the jerks.

    7. Re:Fingerprint it! by TemperedAlchemist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah.

      The best approach for dealing with piracy is making your content easily accessible, hassle-free (i.e., no DRM), and offered at a fair price.

    8. Re:Fingerprint it! by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not only that there are plenty of PDF password strippers out there that if you have a quad or better (and considering you can get AMD quads for like $70 its kinda nuts not to have at least a quad) can go through entire rainbow tables in no time at all, just set it to use dual cores and you can keep doing other stuff while it runs in the background.

      I'd say the best bet is the watermarks but they'll have to be well hidden as its too easy to strip a watermark out if its obvious, maybe have an obvious personalization watermark and a second hidden one with a code that can be traced back to the purchaser, that way you go after the source without punishing your readers.

      And I'd like to say how proud I am of this community right now, here is a legitimate small business trying to stay alive and instead of the usual "Just accept getting ripped off, information wants to be free!" bullshit instead there is actual discussion on how best to protect his content while still giving the customers a good experience. If everyone would work together and find compromises like this maybe we could actually show its possible to sell digitally without nasty DRM schemas like SecuROM, we've had Steam show us the way for games but there is still a lot of work that needs doing for e-books and other works and its just nice to see it being discussed like rational adults instead of breaking down into dogmas and bullshit.

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    9. Re: Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero liability with trojans/viruses isn't compatible with the notion that people are responsible for what happens on their ip-addresses with hacked wifi. Not that I agree with any of those ideas but it seems to be analogous. I do believe watermarking is the way to go, it would be as effective as you can go without making it a hassle for the paying customer.

    10. Re:Fingerprint it! by dos1 · · Score: 1

      You miss the point. If you have password to the file, you can strip it with no effort. Even some popular PDF readers can save copy of the file without password, there's no need for additional software.

    11. Re:Fingerprint it! by sa3 · · Score: 1

      Buying a single copy of each issue by creating a new account each time would bypass this form of protection.

      The online version would need to host every page for on demand access instead of providing downloads.

    12. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be both obvious and hidden watermarks. The former to make it more obvious that this is a personal copy that is not to be distributed, and the latter to identify those who distributed anyway.

    13. Re:Fingerprint it! by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For a technical magazine with a thousand subscribers that might work, but in general this technique is dumb. So what if a DVD leaked online which was watermarked as belonging to Anonymous C. Oward ? There's zero liability due to viruses and trojans. The risk of public shaming will not secure the computers of the world (if only it would be that easy... "THIS is the picture of the idiot who wants to increase his manhood by software").

      Ah, that stupid fallacy again. A measure won't completely and totally solve a problem 100%, and therefore it has no value at all whatsoever.

      Meanwhile, back in the real world, where binary thinking is stupid and reality is analog, a solution that reduces the problem has value, even if it doesn't stop all cases. The kind of piracy this measure is aimed at reducing is effectively reduced by this measure. The only relevant question is, does the amount of reduction justify the cost. Whether John Obvious-Alias Doe distributes it freely on the torrents is utterly irrelevant to the question. The torrent users are mostly a lost cause, the goal is to discourage Alice from giving a copy to Bob.

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    14. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We developed something which allows a user to open the document only on a limited number of computers. It is not perfect, it was not updated, but somehow it works.

    15. Re:Fingerprint it! by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      we could actually show its possible to sell digitally without nasty DRM schemas like SecuROM

      You think?

    16. Re:Fingerprint it! by SylvesterTheCat · · Score: 0

      Yes. Exactly.
      I lost my mod points yesterday, otherwise I would have used them here.

    17. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ok. So have a system which first sends a friendly reminder to the subscriber whose copy ended up online that it is a copyright infringement to post it online. If the same subscriber's copy ends up online more often you terminate that subscription. In other words, the dog might really eat your homework once but if you let it happen repeatedly, you have to face the consequences.

    18. Re:Fingerprint it! by icebike · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up.

      For most companies, a secret serial number, and a monthly web search is all they can afford.
      Even this poses a bit of a problem, because you have to serialize each copy, and that complicates the delivery mechanism.
      Its not foolproof because comparing two different copies sent to two different users would reveal the location of the serialization. But there is little incentive for a sharer to go to the trouble of doing that.

      Its fairly cheap and it puts the risk directly on the sharer.

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    19. Re:Fingerprint it! by icebike · · Score: 1

      Paying 1.5 times the subscription price just so you can distribute something for free suggests a higher level of altruism than your average pirate usually exhibits.

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    20. Re:Fingerprint it! by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2

      Ah, that stupid fallacy again. A measure won't completely and totally solve a problem 100%, and therefore it has no value at all whatsoever.

      Yes, welcome to Slashdot. Whether it's electric cars or protecting IP, perfect is *always* the enemy of good.

    21. Re:Fingerprint it! by green1 · · Score: 1

      Yes but now someone has "circumvented a copy protection mechanism" and the punishment for that heinous crime is among the harshest in the land...

    22. Re:Fingerprint it! by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      Except that two people would be paying 0.75 the price each... an actual discount, followed by altruism.

      Consider your arguments more carefully.

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    23. Re:Fingerprint it! by icebike · · Score: 1

      If there were only two people involved it's not worth any effort to stop it.
      You want to prevent it being put on the Web for free.

      Plus, you can refuse to sell single copy subscriptions, and make the pirate purchase at least a half subscription, giving you time to kill of the remaining copies when your google search finds the fingerprint on the web.

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    24. Re:Fingerprint it! by wvmarle · · Score: 1

      In which case all issues (save the last) are old issues. Not too important.

      Instead of sueing, a simple warning by e-mail to the source of the leak will most likely do. Close account of subcriber if warnings are found to be repeatedly ignored (i.e. newer issues are found online).

    25. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prove it.

    26. Re:Fingerprint it! by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      "i didn't redistribute that file, prove me wrong"

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    27. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about if you know who posted the last copy online, he doesn't get any more issues?

      Then they just create another anonymous (or pseudonymous) account and get the next issue that way. Rinse, lather, repeat.

    28. Re:Fingerprint it! by adonoman · · Score: 2

      But if you have to pay for a new subscription each time you get caught, there's a strong disincentive to keep making your copies available.

    29. Re:Fingerprint it! by Scarletdown · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And if the one who that copy is "registered" to was finished with it, and passed it on to someone else without keeping any copies for himself wasn't the one who uploaded it?

      Typically, with magazines or any other media, when you are finished with it, you are well within your rights to give it away, resell it (if you can find a buyer), or do whatever you want with it, as long as you don't keep any copies for yourself. Just because said media is distributed electronically instead of printed on paper should in no way give the publisher any additional special privileges than what copyright already grants.

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    30. Re:Fingerprint it! by Archfeld · · Score: 0

      OH NO, we can't have that. The publisher is sure to complain that it is piracy. It is OK for the source to complain about being ripped off, but god forbid the end user complain about losing the right of resale or the ability to just drop a magazine off at the dentist or doctors office. I feel NO sympathy for the publisher, they've created an audience of consumers and are now complaining about having their product consumed. If they had treated their "customers" with some respect over the years issues like this would be very minor...

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    31. Re:Fingerprint it! by westlake · · Score: 2

      The best approach for dealing with piracy is making your content easily accessible, hassle-free (i.e., no DRM), and offered at a fair price.

      The problem is that the geek's notion of a fair price almost always boils to down to "free."

    32. Re:Fingerprint it! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This is the digital age... the best method is to re-tool the publication process. As part of the subscription service, have a questionnaire to fill out that personalizes the ads. As part of the publication process, include information about the subscriber in the ad holes -- you can even customize the content to some degree (in an automated manner) based on the subscriber.

      This results in an excellent watermark, as each subscriber will have slightly different content. Just do rolling MD5 hashes, and you'll quickly figure out who's leaking the content. Then stop their subscription.

      It comes back to the old "give them something to make it worth it" model -- if you make the subscription for more than "get a dead tree magazine in digital form" and add in the ability to provide online feedback for ads and content, do things to make the customer feel connected to what you're sharing with them, and as a side benefit get excellent demographics information for your advertisers, then even if the magazine itself is pirated all over the place, people will still subscribe, as you're providing them a service that goes beyond that.

      One idea off the top of my head: have an online forum where subscribers can discuss the content -- close it off to everyone else. When you print the digital copy for the individual for the month, include the "top 5 posts in customer's chosen category" as part of the Letters sections, and maybe even a roll-up of all comments the customer left on the website since the last publication, plus responses to those by other customers. Costs virtually nothing, but would be an excellent hook and security mechanism.

    33. Re:Fingerprint it! by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      If there were only two people involved it's not worth any effort to stop it.

      Now you are off the deep end here. Your argument was that a single person would not buy single copies and share them because they are 1.5x the cost. Refuting you, I pointed out that two people could pool up to buy single copies and pirate them, costing 0.75x the normal cost.

      Again.. choose your arguments more carefully.. because purposefully ignoring the obvious in order to try to save your sad arguments that have no merit is the height of intellectual dishonesty. (ie: stop being a dishonest fuck)

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    34. Re:Fingerprint it! by QuesarVII · · Score: 1

      You should be held responsible for being negligent enough to get the virus.

    35. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think I read about Amazon doing this a while ago, you could fingerprint it just by altering a few punctuation symbols in the PDF. If you had 10 symbols spread throughout the magazine that were either present or not present (present = 1, not present = 0) and the combination of these was different in every download then you'd have 1 million unique codes. These could be restricted to things like putting exclamation marks on the end of certain sentences or quote marks around bits of text. Providing you can make each PDF downloaded different by just a few characters and watermark it to trace who is copying it. This method should survive most processes that modify the file, including printing it or transferring it to an e-reader.

    36. Re:Fingerprint it! by muridae · · Score: 1

      10 bits is only 1024 variations. You'd need 20 symbols to get a million, and a way of tying each user's ID with a set of symbols, and a way of generating those symbols on the fly as the user requests the download. Not impossible, but not as simple as a post process watermark with the user's name and home address on the bottom of each page.

    37. Re:Fingerprint it! by andy_t_roo · · Score: 1

      "This is your copy that ended up on the internet, so either your subscription or your computer is compromised. Please either prove your computer is secure, or purchase a new subscription (and don't share the password for the new ones)."

    38. Re:Fingerprint it! by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      And I'd like to say how proud I am of this community right now, here is a legitimate small business trying to stay alive and instead of the usual "Just accept getting ripped off, information wants to be free!" bullshit instead there is actual discussion on how best to protect his content while still giving the customers a good experience.

      You assume we're actually giving him good advice...

      "Uh, yeah, I'd use that ROT 13 encryption. Nobody would ever be able to break that..."

    39. Re: Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're assuming piracy involves J. Random Reader seeding his PDF and posting the .torrent to the pirate bay. This sort of thing does happen, and I've got no data on its prevalence w/r/t e-magazines (not my scene), but in general, it's rarely as big a part of the ecosystem as you might think -- mostly pirated copies come from a tiny fraction of pirates who are much more dedicated to the task, and they'd have no problem obtaining multiple subscriptions as each one gets shut down.

    40. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ROT 26 is twice as strong as ROT 13... almost unbreakable. Turing failed to crack it...

    41. Re:Fingerprint it! by nikkipolya · · Score: 0

      Yes, 20 symbols. The easiest way out, if pirating subscribers knew the pdf's are watermarked (and all pirates should be suspicious), is to take 2 or more copies, then take a print-out. Jumble the pages from different versions, add a few punctuations of their own, then scan them and upload.

      If its such a popular magazine, a better method would be to make the magazine free and advertize to your advertisers about the huge circulation numbers and make more money from them.

    42. Re:Fingerprint it! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Not only that there are plenty of PDF password strippers out there that if you have a quad or better (and considering you can get AMD quads for like $70 its kinda nuts not to have at least a quad) can go through entire rainbow tables in no time at all, just set it to use dual cores and you can keep doing other stuff while it runs in the background.

      Unless Im mistaken, your CPU should be irrelevant with Rainbow tables. The entire point is that all the CPU work has been done; youre trading disk / IO for CPU / time.

      Of course, since rainbow tables are for hashes and not encryption, Im really not sure what the relevance is. You use a rainbow table with you have an un-salted password hash and you want the plaintext, not when you have an encrypted document. If the PDF document is encrypted with a password (one of the options for securing documents in Acrobat), you cant just strip it out without cracking AES or bruteforcing the password.

      I love how everyone is abandoning real security (encryption) and advocating watermarks (which can be trivially stripped out), which would be of almost no worth anyways. Lets say you identify the watermarked file on bittorrent. Now what, a wild goose chase to try to ID the actual users? I hear the MPAA has had great luck in this regard, and of course they have dedicated lawyers; I doubt OP has that luxury.

      Sometimes, DRM / encryption / passwords ARE the right answer; OP said he wants to avoid piracy, not try to trace piracy through its dark-site trails.

    43. Re:Fingerprint it! by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      I think the concept of "chain of custody" is relevant. Specifically, you cant establish a tenuous relationship between some random virus on some random site and a fingerprinted file, and sue the file's creator. The law, luckily, generally has higher demands for establishing fault, and that isnt gonna cut it.

    44. Re:Fingerprint it! by LordLimecat · · Score: 0

      And the best way to answer someone's question is apparently to tell him that hes wrong for wanting to do the thing he wants to do, because you have an opinion on the matter.

    45. Re:Fingerprint it! by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Typically, with magazines or any other media, when you are finished with it, you are well within your rights to give it away, resell it (if you can find a buyer), or do whatever you want with it, as long as you don't keep any copies for yourself.

      And now that's changed such that copies are tied to a user account, by all means give those user account credentials away when you're done with the digital media.

    46. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's because *everybody* on slashdot *still* thinks it's clever to play devil's advocate, if you can find just one thing a product doesn't do perfectly then that product can be written off as "rubbish".

    47. Re:Fingerprint it! by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 2

      The best way to distribute an online magazine and avoid piracy: Step 1: Distribute the magazine. Step 2: Don't sail a boat around the coast of Somalia, or through the Red Sea. Simple

    48. Re:Fingerprint it! by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      This sort of thing actually happens, dude. In fact there have been particularly unscrupulous ones that even use child porn to trap their victims in the legal system.

    49. Re:Fingerprint it! by hairyfeet · · Score: 0

      And how many of the GOG games have been put on P2P? oh yeah...all of them.

      But if you honestly think you can make triple A games today and not end up bleeding to death if you do ZERO about piracy? Then i have a bridge you might be interested in. I like GOG (although of late frankly I've been burned several times on games they SAID work...but they don't) but that is NOT a viable model for a triple A gaming house to have long term, there are just too damned many that will take it for free if it involves zero effort.

      You want to see what the GOG model gets you with modern games? MMOs that's what, and I don't know about everybody else but I LIKE not having to be online just to play, I LIKE not having my progress trashed because my net lost connection, but that is what you get with no copy protection at all, MMOs.

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    50. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, some personalisation as per above, that would deter quite a lot of misuse, but I would also add the signature using some form of stegonagraphy in case someone is really being naughty.

    51. Re:Fingerprint it! by chilvence · · Score: 1

      I really like this idea. I personally couldn't give a crap if something I download has a watermark that identifies me, my home address, my cat's name and my best friends in order of preference, and I would be unlikely to want to share that with everyone on pirate bay. But back when PC games started getting all snarky and demanding CD keys, CD's in the drive for games I had full installed, once CD per multi player gamer etc, is exactly the same time that I started to enjoy gamecopyworld.com . Even though I still continued to buy and still have a 2 inch thick wallet of god's honest, real deal CD's.

      If I am giving you money, I am going to use your stuff how I like, and frankly, fuck you, I am going to share it with my close friends too, because that's what I can do with my cd's, tapes, records, books, wax cylinders, daguerreotypes and priceless papyrus scrolls. Your last mistake will be getting in my way.

    52. Re:Fingerprint it! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      If punishing the innocent is your only answer, maybe you should just give up.

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    53. Re:Fingerprint it! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Why not offer most of the content on the web site, perhaps with a PDF version of each article also available for download after a month or two? Some electronics magazines started doing that and it works pretty well for them. People subscribe to get access to the articles as early as possible. You can easily provide "free days" and other promotional events.

      If you do that then make sure your forums are free to join by anyone, not just subscribers. things like forums need as many participants as possible. If you limit them to subscribers they will be a ghost town.

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    54. Re:Fingerprint it! by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      You want to see what the GOG model gets you with modern games?

      Sure, Witcher series, Cyberpunk 2077, Dragon Commander. Those don't look like MMO to me.

      Look at the things like the party Ubi threw at SDCC, Tomb Raider a "failure" with 3M+ sold. The current AAA model is unsustainable with or without piracy.

    55. Re:Fingerprint it! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      How about if you know who posted the last copy online, he doesn't get any more issues?

      Yeah, this is probably the best way to stop the unauthorized distribution.

      However, the OP says, "HELP, we have a problem of massive free distribution, please help us stop it!" and it seems like we probably shouldn't help them too much, for their own good, other than possibly to show them business models that will help them move to an ad-supported model.

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    56. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best approach for dealing with piracy is making it easy to go after those that do it, without making it harder for everyone else. There are a number of good fingerprinting / watermarking schemes around. Try that as first approach with a readable "This copy has been bought by XXX" marker on the first or second page to make it obvious that it is a personalized copy.

      A reasonable price is the ticket. First, those who really love the magazine will want to buy and support it. Also allow back issues for subscribers. Nuts and Volts magazine for example is highly pirated , but the price is so reasonable if you love it why wouldn't you buy it. Lastly, most who pirate it would do so in any case and wouldn't buy it anyway. Target dedicated reader base.

    57. Re:Fingerprint it! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Piracy is unavoidable. Success or failure is purely a matter of convincing buyers that you have something worthwhile. Making your product less desirable will not help that in any way.

      If your product doesn't suck, millions will buy it and you will make plenty of profit.

      it's a tough market. Blaming piracy just makes you look like a whiney loser that never should have gotten into the business to begin with.

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    58. Re:Fingerprint it! by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Suggesting DRM strategies is hardly sound advice. It's merely pandering to the already over inflated egos of "artistes".

      Artistic megalomania is not the point. If you are fixating on "getting ripped off" then you're simply focusing on the wrong people. You are fixating on the one part of your business which is the least relevant.

      You need to fixate on the paying customer rather than the degenerate mooch which will likely NEVER pay and will ALWAYS find a way to crack your copy protection.

      You want to encourage sales rather than prevent mooching.

      SALES are the only thing that really matter in the end.

      You can have the perfect anti-piracy machine and still SELL nothing.

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    59. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'd like to say how proud I am of this community right now, here is a legitimate small business trying to stay alive and instead of the usual "Just accept getting ripped off, information wants to be free!"

      This guy should welcome piracy. As Doctorow notes, nobody ever went broke from piracy, but many have starved from obscurity. That said, if he wants to paywall his little-known niche magazine, more power to him. If I don't read your magazine I won't see your ads.

    60. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All modern, reliable DRM is "always-on," so you might as well take advantage of the offsite storage that MMOs offer, since you'll be stuck online anyway. Look at Diablo III: absolutely zero reason for an always-on requirement, yet there it is. Network down? Tough... go play something else, and thanks for the money, schmuck.

      Also, there are a fair number of high-profile distributors that are opting for the DRM-free route besides GOG. Stardock comes to mind, and you can't honestly assert that they have lost ground with any of their titles.

    61. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even close.

      Some people will only pirate your work and will never buy it, just as some people will only read your physical magazine in the lobby of their dentist.

      The majority of people will value quality and will buy your product if you charge a fair price AND do not slather your pages with advertisements. To correct your statement, the geek's notion of a fair price almost always boils to down to "if I'm viewing ads then the product better be free".

    62. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If that's the case, then what is the submitter's problem? You purport that "sharing" is denied by the access credentials; I purport that "piracy" is denied by the very same mechanism.

      On the flip side, I have to wonder how this "technical magazine that has been available in print for over 40 years" managed to survive when doctors, dentists, and anybody else with a waiting room held subscriptions, only to allow dozens or hundreds of people read at will. Never mind those awful bathroom magazine racks! Scandalous!

    63. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Secret unique serial numbers aren't as hard as people might think.

      I wrote a small php program which embeds a 'secret lookup code' which is an SHA2 hash inside WMV and MP4 files.

      It modifies the files on the fly as they are served to users downloading them by inserting a unique lookup code into each one and observing the object format within the container structures. This took some time to figure out how to do efficiently in a high volume environment but it can certainly be done with most file formats I've come across.

      There's a separate app which extracts these lookup codes from files which are found 'in the wild' which enables us to look up the original downloader as all the download information is stored in a database.

      This is all transparent to the end user and even the experienced pirates we deal with have no idea it's going on as we can track them all the time.

      The way to fight piracy is to go ater the piracy sites - not the individual pirates. That's a lost battle.

      We found that this method allows us to identify credit card fraud in advance of chargebacks so we can void transactions involved with fraud which in turn reduces our banking costs.

    64. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can never stop all piracy. The most you can ever do is discourage it.

    65. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adding on your idea with a "Log in with pdf"-functionality. Upload the pdf and use it to find the username. I'm not entirelly sure it's a good idea, but it's doable...

    66. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As part of the subscription service, have a questionnaire to fill out that personalizes the ads.

      If I'm paying for the content, no way in hell do I want to see ads. With a paper magazine, the price of the subscription pays for the costs of paper, ink, and delivery while the ads pay for the content. With online the only costs aren't trivial is the content.

      The Illinois Times manages to give away even the printed copies for free. If there are ads, I refuse to buy the content -- it's already paid for.

    67. Re:Fingerprint it! by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      If there are ads, I refuse to buy the content -- it's already paid for.

      Unfortunately, there's this thing called subsidy. This is, however, why I was suggesting they re-tool and not just make digital "dead tree -- but now online!" People expect different content and interaction from online than they do from a hard-copy magazine.

      That said, I love my back-issues of National Geographic -- they might be scanned pages of the originals (including ads), but looking at the old ads is half the fun! If you go back far enough, there are no ads; the original journal was just that -- a journal of NG events, with articles submitted by members. The money to publish came out of the membership fees.

      Once they started doing color photographs, ads started showing up -- until today, despite the fact that you are a member of the NGS and have a paid subscription to the magazine as well, the magazine is half the size content-wize, and is half ads. At least the ads are usually artistically interesting still.

      Gotta love how you can trace through things like Nikon cameras and the latest luxury American automobiles through the ads.

    68. Re:Fingerprint it! by WillKemp · · Score: 1

      [......] here is a legitimate small business trying to stay alive and instead of the usual "Just accept getting ripped off, information wants to be free!" bullshit instead there is actual discussion on how best to protect his content while still giving the customers a good experience.

      Maybe. But whether or not information wants to be free, the crucial question to ask is "is piracy actually costing me anything?" The stupid assumption made by the music and film industry is that every pirated copy is one copy less that they'll sell - which is clearly nonsense. Just because someone takes something that is available for free doesn't mean they'd pay for it if it wasn't. I'm sure the vast majority of people who read / listen to / watch pirated material would never have paid for it anyway, they would have been doing something else for free instead.

      So unless you can prove that the people who are reading the pirated version of the magazine are people who would have bought it if it hadn't been pirated (which is mostly pretty unlikely), then it's a complete waste of time and money trying to fix something that isn't really a problem. It would be much more productive to put those resources into building up the paying customer base.

    69. Re:Fingerprint it! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      And how much piracy did the companies that didn't use ANY DRM end up with? I remember reading the company that made the huge space simulator (sorry i can't remember the name, solar empire maybe ? Not into space sims much) said they were looking at 90% piracy rates and other companies that have gone 100% DRM free have reported similar numbers. And all you have to do is look on any P2P to find the GOG installers all over the place, all it takes is one douchebag to ruin it for everybody, in fact I just used a couple of P2P search engines and typed "GOG" and found there is a couple of guys offering entire genres from GOG on .ISOs, so it is obvious their "honor system" doesn't work. ironically the very first thing that came up on every search? Red Projekt's own Witcher games.

      So I'm sorry but the numbers simply don't back up your assertion because we have ample evidence if there is ZERO cracking required, no matter how good the game, the piracy numbers just shoot through the roof. Does this mean the DRM has to be nasty? of course not, Valve has doubled their profits SEVEN YEARS in a row and they have one of the easiest to crack DRM schemes out there, in fact you can go to gamecopyworld and hack any game in minutes...which misses the point. The point is humans are LAZY and easily discouraged and even a simple DRM scheme can turn losses into sales, believe me I know as I've been selling PCs to average Joes since the VIC-20 was being hawked by The Shat and you'd be surprised how many are reluctant to use a crack even for interoperability, such as those i use when a person has an older game with a 16bit installer or 32bit DRM and they've bought a 64bit PC from me, so I have seen it with my own two peepers.

      With triple A games costing 50 million plus you simply can't afford 90% loss rates, you just can't. no DRM is fine for ancient games that have made back their money like on GOG, its fine for little indie games (although I would argue that losses hurt them more than say Gearbox or EA) but as we have seen time after time if people can get it for free without any real effort? THEY WILL.

      I mean if you need any further proof just look at TFA? The poster is bleeding to death thanks to piracy, so if your theory held water shouldn't he be just fine? Or are you gonna use the "If his stuff was better I wouldn't steal it" excuse the pirates use?

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    70. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Suggesting ways to prevent software or content from being freely copied doesn't mean we agree with your decision to prevent your software from being copied.

      Some ways that people may agree with is make your software more convenient to use and flexible and offer it at a better price.

      Other ways may include DRM or water marks. but just because people can make those suggestions doesn't mean they agree with that approach or that they agree with IP laws (as they are now) just that if you insist on taking that approach here are some suggestions.

    71. Re:Fingerprint it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that, with piracy, if you can't solve the problem 100%, you've solved it 0%. Any one copy that gets through free and clear will be the one replicated indefinitely. Stopping 99% of the copies from being pirated is like taking 99% of a wet, dysentery-infected dump off of a pizza. You still can't eat the pizza. Well, ok, maybe shouldn't is the operative word, but you know what I mean. You could eat the pizza without taking the dump off at all, if that's your thing.

    72. Re:Fingerprint it! by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Not true, again look at Valve which i hold up as the gold standard in how to do DRM right. Just today my youngest had his Internet down for a day, it never fails that when somebody moves in on that floor some jackass will hack into the cable to get free TV and fuck up his internet but thanks to Offline Mode he was able to play his Steam games until the cable guy could chop up the hacker's line and restore his Internet.

      So I'm sorry but the "offsite storage" as you call it is NOT worth the trade off, just ask those that played SW galaxies how much that offsite storage is benefiting them now whereas i can fire up Half Life 1 from...what, 1997? and if I want to play MP no problem, i have plenty of choices but if my net goes down the game STILL WORKS in single player, no hassles, no fuss.

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  2. You can't avoid piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So just make it cheap and easy for real subscribers. If it's not worth someone's time to pirate something, they won't. Also, add something that can't be pirated, like an expert's forum, with article authors participating.

    1. Re:You can't avoid piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      you realize that you are saying "you can't avoid piracy so you need to blend it with something that ... can't be pirated!?"

    2. Re:You can't avoid piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Your problem is ill conceived, you are grudgingly moving to the web because that's what everybody's doing, but you aren't really willing to change the business model and ask for a way to keep things working like before. I have some bad news for you: the web is a completely new medium and you need to adapt or disappear - technical journals will survive for some time but they will eventually die just like the rest of the print media.

      To elaborate the parent's post: give it away for free, with a limit of free articles per device, a.k.a porous paywall. The heavy users will buy a subscription while the casual users willing to pirate but not subscribe will get the articles free contributing to your advertising revenue, which generally pays little for repeat visitors.

    3. Re:You can't avoid piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The expert's forum is an excellent idea. I often read the article comments for valuable insights beyond the article.

      This makes me think the best way is to deliver the "magazine" in a continuous flow instead of as a "monthly". On the web, monthly magazines make no sense. Publish an article every few days and link between articles such as part 1 and part 2.

      Who wants to pirate one day at a time? Who wants to have to sort and organize multi-part articles? This increases the labor for the pirates and actually gives you some labor flexibility on producing content.

    4. Re: You can't avoid piracy by Panaflex · · Score: 1

      Seriously - listen up to this.

      You need to be posting videos, extra articles, guest articles and all things awesome online.

      You need to talk up your online swag in your magazine and make it part of the experience. And you want it to be part of the total experience of owning the magazine. Indispensable in other words.

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    5. Re:You can't avoid piracy by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      And? It's a proven working business model.

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    6. Re:You can't avoid piracy by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that you are looking at the wrong numbers. Who cares how many people are reading (pirating) it? You should only care about how many people are paying for it, and work to increase that number. One thing that comes to mind is special deals with advertisers that are keyed off the individual user name. Don't have a paid account? Don't get 15% off a widget... This could also be more advertising revenue.

    7. Re:You can't avoid piracy by bfandreas · · Score: 1

      You'll also have to take publication frequency into account. If you are running a daily rag, then piracy will not be an issue as long as you can provide faster than the pirates. If it is a monthly rag you might have to reconsider.
      The best thing to do is actually to have a tablet app with a no-fuss subscription. Also you'll need a website with free articles and a link to the app in cas you won't get featured. Also being available via Amazon and B&N helps. Ease of purchase is the key here. And you'll obviously need to know your audience. If you do a knitware magazine then going purely digital might not be such a bright idea.

      I would start worrying if you weren't pirated.

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      20 minutes into the future
    8. Re:You can't avoid piracy by hedwards · · Score: 1

      I'd mod you up if I had mod points.

      I wish more folks would understand this. If you make the content reasonably priced and you use a format that's available cross platform, then you shouldn't have any trouble selling enough copies to pay for production and a tidy profit.

      The cost of DRM can easily wipe out the proceeds of hundreds of subscriptions, or more, without guaranteeing a single additional subscription. And in all likelihood the magazine will be pirated within a day or two of release anyways.

    9. Re:You can't avoid piracy by RelaxedTension · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This increases the labor for the pirates and actually gives you some labor flexibility on producing content.

      You clearly have not seen the tenacity that pirates are capable of. For most, it isn't about ripping someone off, it's about sharing something. Add to that a lot of people with with a lot of time on their hands, and they will work tirelessly to put those articles together, day after day, month after month.

      The other posters suggesting the value-adds mixed with free are bang on. Forums, article archives, lots of "free" stuff, and a reasonable price will potentially get you far more revenue on the net than your print editions would. Embed short videos or effects that help get the article's point across. That's tougher to include in pirated versions, and generally won't be, so you have one up one the pirated version. Use the medium to it's potential, and they will come.

      Most important, work on eyeballs for advertising revenue, not necessarily subscriptions. You have the potential ,make so much more money on the web if you have good content.

    10. Re:You can't avoid piracy by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This!

      The concept of a magazine was born with print, and should die when print dies.
      Why fight deadlines when you can simply post them as you finish them, and have people returning to your site every day?

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    11. Re:You can't avoid piracy by melikamp · · Score: 1

      One thing that comes to mind is special deals with advertisers that are keyed off the individual user name.

      The OP wants to sell a technical magazine. A magazine with ads is not a technical magazine, it's a catalog. Anyone selling a technical magazine with ads is a liar and a scam artist, as they have a clear conflict of interest. They always lie in the articles, since that's what the advertisers want, and therefore they lie when they say it's "technical". If the OP wanted to sell a technical product catalog, he should have said so.

    12. Re:You can't avoid piracy by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      I agree but quite the opposite, yes care how many are reading/pirating it and try to increase those numbers.

      "...survival depends not only on advertising...", I wonder what advertisers would say if someone reported back to them that efforts were being taken to reduce the exposure of their adds to as few people as possible?

      Take advantage of the demand for your product and turn that into revenue! Let other people bear the cost of distributing if they desire. Just make sure that the source (your product/organization) is readily accessible, adds value, and creates an easier experience than any potential competition. IE, operate a business!

    13. Re:You can't avoid piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or give subscribers something they can't get by downloading. I dunno what, cos a DVD comes to mind but then why can't that also be pirated. Unless it is actually such a cool package that the packaging is worth that extra. Or as someone else mentioned, give access to a good online tech forum using a subscriber ID.

    14. Re:You can't avoid piracy by Mark+Hood · · Score: 1

      That's not a bad idea (although others have pointed out that pirates won't be slowed down much) - but I might prefer to read a 'monthly' aggregation. Or weekly, or when I have time...

      I might read it on a tablet / e-reader & not want distracting by all the other internet activity, or just want to wait until a multi-part article is complete & read it all at once.

      So with your method, I have to click through repeatedly... or go to download a PDF/app/whatever of 'this month's stuff'. If that's not an option on your website, I *will* look elsewhere, to get the convenience. And once I'm doing that, where's my incentive to keep coming back to pay you for the original content?

      To echo what a lot of folks have said - make it worth my while to buy it from you and I literally won't think about pirating it. I subscribe to a few magazines in print & online, and don't even bother looking for a pirate copy - because they give me what I want and I don't have to look elsewhere.

      Things that will drive me away - making my life hard by splitting an article over multiple parts, days & flashing ads; intrusive DRM that tells me I need to de-authorise one computer to read on another; nagging me about piracy when I'm paying you...

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  3. If the content can be accessed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    then it can be pirated.

    1. Re:If the content can be accessed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words, "If I can see it, I can copy it."

  4. I always read that word "piracy"... by agapeton · · Score: 2

    ... as "privacy", which makes it make more sense.

    1. Re: I always read that word "piracy"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably because copyright enforcement laws made for corporate lobbying are privacy-invading...

        who cares ?
      screw your constitutional rights, our profit is more important
      Sincerely, the Racketeering Industry Association of America

  5. Welcome to the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where have you been?

  6. Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use third party tools such as Flexpaper or CloudCrowd to display PDFs on a website while securing the document from being downloaded. Flexpaper offers a cool interface to display magazines.

  7. Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screen capture, video capture, etc.

    Just price it low enough that everyone buys it.

    Anything over $1.99 and people will pirate it.

  8. Not sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you can offer something in print that you can't get as conveniently elsewhere, maybe your company should accept that this business model is dead.

    I'm sure its not the answer you wanted but progress cannot be stopped.

  9. xmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DRM sounds right, users would love it too...

  10. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Won't work. You can't prevent people from making screenshots. Yes, that's more work, but it only takes one person to subscribe and go to the trouble of taking screenshots of every page and compiling a PDF from them, and then uploading it on BitTorrent.

    Not only that, who the fuck wants to read PDFs online using some shitty in-browser viewer? Not me; I'd never subscribe to something that made me jump through hoops like that. If I can't download the PDFs and be able to read them offline (like when I'm on a plane), then I don't want it.

  11. DRM Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are two types of people. Type 1 will pirate. Type 2 won't. DRM doesn't stop Type 1. DRM does stop Type 2 from enjoying your product. Type 1 will discover your product and then look for a pirated copy. Type 2 will stumble across a pirated copy and then subscribe to your product.

    Your basic question is whether there are enough Type 2 people to make it worth your while to offer an electronic version. My answer is: I have no idea. I only know that as a Type 2 person myself, if I am interested in your product, it is much more valuable to me without DRM, because then I can view it in a way I like and introduce other Type 2 people to it who may also subscribe.

    1. Re:DRM Free by Ragzouken · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The simplicity is appealing, but you're just wrong. Some people will buy if they can't pirate. Some people will buy if pirating is difficult. Some people will buy if buying is easy. There are all kinds of people out there.

    2. Re:DRM Free by runeghost · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, Type 1 (pirates) can easily turn into Type 2 (paying customers) when their circumstances change. Often pirates are people who literally cannot become customers. Many college students have abundant time but little money, inclining them to pirate readily while making purchasing an unattractive option. After graduating and (hopefully) acquiring a somewhat lucerative job and a busier schedule they'll happily pay a reasonable price to save themselves some now-precious time.

      But if you make it too hard to access your content, you're going to end up shooting yoursefl in the foot. Bury your content behind a secure and obnoxious paywall and sure, Type 1's won't ever see a pirated copy, but neither will they potentially become future customers, because they never developed a taste for your content. And many Type 2's will decline to spend their precious time (even 5 or 10 minutes may end up being too much if there are other options available to them) dealing with your DRM. And that's assuming you don't manage to kill your own word of mouth (or even search engine presence) by locking up your content.

      Obviously the precise impact of your DRM will vary depending on the nature of your content, but in many cases (I personally think it's the vast majority of cases) pirates don't represent any loss in current sales, but do represent potential future sales.

    3. Re:DRM Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Instead of DRM, though, they can take other anti-piracy measures, like visible and invisible identifying information on each person's copy. If every week Mary McPiracy's copy is the one on The Pirate Bay, they know which customer to fire.

    4. Re:DRM Free by dpidcoe · · Score: 2

      The simplicity is appealing, but you're just wrong. Some people will buy if they can't pirate. Some people will buy if pirating is difficult. Some people will buy if buying is easy. There are all kinds of people out there.

      A few more:
      Some people will pirate if they can't buy
      Some people will pirate if it's too hard to buy
      Some people will pirate if they feel that it's too expensive for what they're getting

      And if you're Ubisoft, some people will pirate because they trust a random uploader to piratebay more than they trust you to keep their account details secure.

    5. Re:DRM Free by Kirth · · Score: 1

      I quite simply won't buy if there's any DRM. Maybe I'll get a pirated version, maybe not, but in any case you've lost a customer.

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      "The more prohibitions there are, The poorer the people will be" -- Lao Tse
    6. Re:DRM Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people will buy if they can't pirate.

      Who won't be able to download a DRM-stripped copy of the magazine?

      Some people will buy if pirating is difficult.

      Who won't be able to download a DRM-stripped copy of the magazine? I don't care what DRM you put on there if the information is displayed it can be easily pirated by someone and one is all it takes.

      Some people will buy if buying is easy.

      Exactly my point...

    7. Re:DRM Free by N0Man74 · · Score: 1

      Add to that list...

      • Some people will pirate if they find the DRM too restrictive or inconvenient even when they would have otherwise paid.
      • Some people will pirate just because they can, and would have never paid even if piracy wasn't possible.
      • Some people will pirate in order to format/device shift (where they already own the content in one format and want to have it in another).
      • Some people will pirate out of curiosity, or to evaluate, and may or may not pay later.
      • Some people will pirate as either a hobby or compulsion. The biggest pirates I've known are like data hoarders. They download TV shows and movies and only end up watching 10% or 20% of them. They will download tons of games and not even get around to playing them, or maybe only play them a few minutes. They might pirate $100,000 of content in a year, even they they make $25,000 a year... obviously this isn't truly $100,000 in lost sales.

      The problem is that people calculating the "losses" to piracy never get that pirated copies does not equal lost sales. It's probably a small percentage of that. The real equation would look something like:

      Loss $ to Piracy = $P - $E

      Where:
      $P = Amount people would have paid if piracy wasn't an option.
      $E = Amount of sales increased due to exposure that was the result of piracy.

      I think it's really hard to guess what the $P and $E is. Maybe there still is an overall loss, but I think it's generally exagerated because none of the other groups of pirates really matter, only those who would have paid.

  12. troll here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unfortunately, the /. crowd (or at least the younger ones) believe that information wants to be free.

    Among others:
    - How dare you put ads and cookies? It's an invasion of privacy!
    - Paywall? Everything is a rehash from AP/ Reuters!
    - We don't need journalists...we have bloggers!
    - We're just trying out things on piratebay before we buy it....if it wasn't free in the first place, we would've never paid for it in the first place, hence it's not theft.
    - it's not theft because you can make infinite copies.
    - I want to buy it, not license it. If I paid for something, I *own* it.

    blah blah, side-arguments to copyright and such, and how the system is broken.

    1. Re:troll here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's nice to see a fellow information anarchist. Welcome...

    2. Re:troll here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By creating a new thread instead of replying to the person that actually made similar arguments, you are showing yourself as setting up a straw man argument.

    3. Re:troll here. by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      It's nice how people on the internet who lack the ability to argue with real people can at least enjoy arguing with straw-men. Kudos for being up-front about it, instead of the usual quoting of someone before responding to your straw-men instead of the quoted person.

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  13. Don't worry by Alomex · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't worry about it. A regular paper magazine can be "pirated" by loaning the issue to friends. You actually want that, because the more people are familiar with your magazine and the more they read it, the likelier they are to subscribe.

    1. Re:Don't worry by brit74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, but there's only one copy of the magazine and the owner generally wants it back. Plus if the borrower is borrowing a copy every month, it gets onerous and makes him look like a cheap freeloader to his friend. Conversely, when people pirate on the internet, one upload means that a million people can get a copy, they get a permanent copy, they never worry about giving it back, and they don't look like an onerous freeloader to his friends.

      My point is that there are more limitations and disincentives to borrowing a physical magazine than there is to digital piracy. This produces stronger incentives for a physical borrower to buy his own subscription than digital piracy does. As a result, creators see digital piracy as much more threatening than physical piracy. (This is the same reason creators see libraries as less problematic than digital piracy.)

    2. Re:Don't worry by Alomex · · Score: 1

      You are right, but still there is hassle factor on making the copy available and waiting for your friend to make it available, etc. I.e. not worth the trouble if you price it competitively.

    3. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      * If the price is reasonable.

      If you charge twice what it's worth, most people will pirate it -- if only to see what the fuss is about. (e.g. $2 * 1% * X = 2X)
      If you charge exactly what it's worth, only the people who WANT your product will buy it. (e.g. $1 * 10% * X = 10X)
      If you charge a little bit less than it's worth, you'll create some incentive for people to want it. (e.g. $0.75 * 20% * X = 15X)
      If you charge a lot less than it's worth, people will buy it just to be able to say they have it. (e.g. $0.10 * 90% * X = 9X)

      Your maximum profit will probably occur if you price it around "a little bit less" than it's worth. Your task it to find out how much people think it's worth.

      [Disclaimer: I'm not part of your target market because I think magazines are completely worthless; you'd have to pay me to bother to read a pirated copy of your magazine.]

    4. Re:Don't worry by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You seem to like putting equations everywhere. Since everything seems to hinge on how much it's worth, can you tell me how to calculate that?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    5. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Your task it to find out how much people think it's worth.

      If you ask me, the value is -$60/hr. In other words: If would have to offer me $60 before I'll consider reading it (and I still might not accept), because that's more like work. Offer me $500 as a "one time, I won't bother you ever again, and I won't quiz you on the material," and I'll probably read your magazine just to see why you thought it was worth $500 to get me to read it.

    6. Re:Don't worry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd happily not read $celebrity_tiitle_tattle for that much.

  14. An Idea (dumb?, good? you decide) by raftpeople · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Make the advertisements and credits for your web site part of your content in a way that it's too much work to remove so the copied versions retain this stuff. Like watermarks in images, maybe an article delivered as an image with advertising and credits, etc. Then embed tracking links so you can demonstrate to advertisers the total "viewage".

  15. Well now by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This should be interesting...

    Is Slashdot REALLY the place you think you'll get the best advice on this topic? I expect you're mostly going to hear from people who expect everything available for free.

    In any case - do you know for sure piracy is causing significant issues for you? Just because something IS available on torrent sites doesn't mean that's where everyone who was a print subscriber is getting it now. I tend to believe a lot of people that download torrented stuff are only doing so because it's available for free - they have zero interest in buying it, and in the old days would never have been one of your print subscribers.

    iTunes manages to sell a lot of music without protecting it at all, for example. Maybe you're thinking about it backwards - rather than focussing on making it hard to get at your content, instead think "how can we deliver this content in a compelling, visually interesting, easy to navigate way? People who were inclined to pay for "print" may very well be inclined to pay for continued access to that expertise, if they feel they're getting their money's worth.

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    1. Re:Well now by ultranova · · Score: 1

      iTunes manages to sell a lot of music without protecting it at all, for example. Maybe you're thinking about it backwards - rather than focussing on making it hard to get at your content, instead think "how can we deliver this content in a compelling, visually interesting, easy to navigate way?

      And the answer, contained in that very same paragraph, is of course: sell it through appropriate online stores and let them deal with it.

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    2. Re:Well now by brit74 · · Score: 1

      > "iTunes manages to sell a lot of music without protecting it at all"

      Keep in mind that iTunes has mostly captured sales from the physical market. If you compare how much music sales have declined since 2001 and then look at the amount of revenue that iTunes is bringing in, you'll notice that for about every $1 decline in music sales, iTunes has managed to pick up something like a paltry $0.15 in sales. (Now, I'm not arguing that the other $0.85 decline is necessarily caused by piracy, but it's wasn't caused simply by music streaming services like Pandora - the decline was visible years before any music streaming services were available.) If this guy's magazine follows the same trend as music sales (even with the existence of iTunes), he'll very likely go bankrupt.

    3. Re:Well now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The decline in music sales (growth) was caused by several factors, including (a) the completion of most people's "forklift upgrades" from LPs to CDs, (b) the emergence of other competitors for entertainment dollars (e.g., "forklift upgrades" from VHS to DVD-Video), (c) the disappearance of really good record stores that carried deep stock (like Tower Records), and last but not least, (d) the music industry's attempts to treat paying customers like scum.

    4. Re:Well now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that we always see that more money is being made year after year, while you are saying that iTunes has caused a tit-for-tat reduction of $1 -> $0.15.

    5. Re:Well now by 10101001+10101001 · · Score: 1

      Is Slashdot REALLY the place you think you'll get the best advice on this topic? I expect you're mostly going to hear from people who expect everything available for free.

      I don't think that's a fair assessment. The general issue is not recognizing the situation you're asking about. Let me go through the submission to show you what I mean.

      "I work for a technical magazine that has been available in print for over 40 years."

      "We have a long standing, but still quite a niche, print magazine."

      "Moving to providing an alternative subscription available online has been hard; .."

      "We've found that the easy-copy, easy-distribute, no-print, and relatively cheap equipment online subscription model isn't working out as we hoped. This is in part because our current subscribers who switch to online expect a vastly cheaper version, ignoring how niche the product is and how much the costs are into the actual production of the content of the magazine. However ..."

      "... the electronic version is quickly pirated and easily available around the world each month.

      ", on the bright side we're seeing the easy-copy, easy-distribution of the electronic version in action. Unfortunately, this isn't translating into a lot more subscribers (ie, the people involved have only a passing interest and have little loyalty to pay), so we're not able to downgrade the subscription cost per person as we hoped which is starting to tick-off the print->online subscribers."

      "We are a small company, and our survival depends not only on advertising but on the subscription fees."

      "So, while we have ads, we're always been heavily dependent on subscription fees on our base readers."

      "Do any slashdotters have experience of delivering electronic magazines via a subscription service in a way that is cost effective and secure?""

      "We don't think we can get enough revenue from ads to offset the costs--we have little bargaining power with our advertisers even though we can definitively show a multi-fold increase in effective readers. So, um, can we make that whole easy-copy, easy-distribute model we're working on not quite so easy-copy or easy-distribute--at least, not for the priates?"

      And then you can answer, "Sure, it's possible to make it harder. But if there's one devote hacker pirate, he'll crack whatever method you use and distribute easy-distribute copies, so you'll still see pretty high piracy rates. You'll probably only delay the time of those pirate releases by a few days or weeks. That may make it worth it to you if (a) few of your current subscribers are so inconvenienced to unsubscribe and (b) it nudges a few of the borderline pirates (who may have previous been a print subscriber) to actually subscribe. But, for (a) you might well piss off your small, niche market by effectively treating them as pirates--as they're the ones who have to suffer under your new scheme. And (b) probably doesn't add up to a lot of added sales, and it's those sales that are paying for the new scheme--anything out of current subscribers is just a loss. So, maybe you should really consider alternatives? Something like (a) posting back issues for free (with ads) like lwn.net, (b) offering a lite version for free (again, with ads), or (c) pushing harder for your ad sponsers to pay more and offer the full version online (with an option subscription model to not see ads). In short, perhaps you're looking for the wrong solution to your problem?"

      The point is that slashdotters know pragmatically that the question seems to be searching for an impossible answer. And about every solution will invariably be about trying to get money out of the pirates, even if it's only indirectly through ads, which seems like pandering to the pirates and wanting st

      --
      Eurohacker European paranoia, gun rights, and h
    6. Re:Well now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this guy's magazine follows the same trend as music sales (even with the existence of iTunes), he'll very likely go bankrupt.

      Right, except for the fact that instead of paying the lumber jack, the guy who drives the lumber truck, the guy in the saw mill, the guy in the ink factory, the guy at the printing press, the guy in the magazine truck, the guy at the newsstand (or the postal service guy) and all their associated shareholders, he'll just being paying the hosting guy, likely an amount too small to measure.

  16. Value by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 4, Informative

    In general, we think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. For example, if a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the U.S. release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable. Most DRM solutions diminish the value of the product by either directly restricting a customers use or by creating uncertainty.

    - Gabe Newell

    1. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Yeah, we'll see how much Gabe believes that when he releases Half-Life 3 without DRM.........

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:Value by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we'll see how much Gabe believes that when he releases Half-Life 3 without DRM.........

      Much as I hate DRM, Gabe has worked very hard at keeping his DRM out of the way of paying customers. He has also worked very hard at building a platform for delivering content is a very easy and trouble free way. Not very RMS friendly, but VERY customer focused, and I can respect that. (Enough, actually that I have the Linux Steam client on my machine right now.)

    3. Re:Value by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Much as I hate DRM, Gabe has worked very hard at keeping his DRM out of the way of paying customers.

      Aside from the issue of completely shitting on First Sale in a way that defeats the concept in the US and has been ruled illegal elsewhere?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    4. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's easily covered with the caveat: "Most DRM solutions diminish the value". Most. Not All.

      Steam IS DRM. But it's DRM is covered by increasing the overall value. Community, Multiplayer, Auto-Updates, Sales, etc.

      To think that the words "most DRM" means "all DRM" diminishes value is blind at best and purposely misleading at worst. Steam adds more than enough value to offset the "price" of DRM. It'll never be enough for "some" die-hard anti-DRM activists, but then again for any extreamist there is never going to be enough this side of "My way or the highway".

    5. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, we'll see how much Gabe believes that when he releases Half-Life 3 without DRM.........

      Why? He said that the problem with most DRM solutions is that they diminish the product. Assuming that his chosen DRM (i.e. Steam, which is what I'm assuming you're getting at here) doesn't do that there's nothing wrong with what he said. Obviously that's a contentious issue but given that Steam is by far and away the dominant DRM store a large number of people seem comfortable with it.

    6. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that they will move the price point through a sale that will make it cheaper than if you paid full price and resold to try and recoup your money. So for a lot of us the point is moot.

    7. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Learn to read. And that is too many dots, ellipsis is 3 dots, stop that.
      He specifically said "MOST DRM", not DRM period.

      DRM isn't bad outright, but most implementations are very bad.
      And I equate it simply to an anarchistic society being a system that is completely free, anything can happen at random and you have basically zero methods to prevent societal collapse. Having some sort of law and order of the land prevents society becoming too chaotic.
      DRM at a very basic level should emulate that and only that. Any higher and you end up with China and North Korea, and worse, Saddam and other dictators similar to him in the past.
      Steam is just ever so slightly above that line because the oddities with playing offline and due to some 3rd party DRM systems allowed through it that have caused problems in the past (and very recent past, including some DRM systems banning people for modding their game for offline play and having never went online ever, terrible)

      Look at what happened to Humble Bundle. "Pay what you want, get these Steam keys too!"
      People were paying so low and it costed everyone else money and them barely anything.
      And the "coal incident" a bunch of bundles back.
      Now that they have put in the very limited protection of "beat this price" to get things like Steam keys, music and stuff like that, the environment is far more sustainable and it is still decent.
      Of course, don't post that on /v/ on 4chan, they will cry their eyes out because they can't get cheap steam keys any more. They ruined it for themselves, hope they enjoyed it while it lasted.
      But of course, I have to thank them as well because they made the system far better and there are far better bundles these days, and more frequent too! (again, they'd disagree simply because it costs money now, jews, rip-offs, sellouts, etc. the usual 14 year old insults)

      Subscriptions are a far harder thing to manage, however.
      Premium services used to, and still are in some cases, be the cool thing to do.
      Offer a service in a much better way, more stuff, less other clutter, better support, whatever.
      If that was possible with the question in the OP, then it could be a good avenue to pursue.
      However, since ads alone don't appear to even be supporting them too well, there seems to be a problem in that area too. And for a magazine, that is a worrying problem indeed since those can usually be a very good method for people to get ads across to people.
      You'd probably need to investigate more or different advertising partners, or generally just get yourself out there more.
      Hell, OP alone could very likely net you a bunch of subs.

      Adding more DRM on top is likely not a good idea. A Subscription alone is already as far as you should go, more and it might turn even more people off when they hear you sued some dude for stealing the magazine.
      Try to get more people in and premium services and possibly eliminate subscriptions entirely.
      Subscriptions only usually work very well if you have a huge install-base already. (like that newspaper that went from ad-supported to subscriptions, it gets more money from a considerably smaller userbase even at only $1 if I remember correct)
      So if it was my magazine, I would find any possible way to eliminate those subs entirely and replace them with premium services and an online-ad-supported website. That would be my first priority.
      Next would be generally getting more hits on the site as well as reaching out to advertisers for said website.
      And a bunch of others all in front of DRM for subscriptions as a last resort.
      Very best of luck to you guys and the team.

    8. Re:Value by brit74 · · Score: 1

      Gabe talks out of both sides of his mouth. It's true that making it convenient will reduce piracy. However, Steam is DRM. This shows that he full understands the other side of the equation as well: stopping piracy isn't just about better service, it's also about making piracy difficult for pirates.

    9. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It'll never be enough for "some" die-hard anti-DRM activists, but then again for any extreamist there is never going to be enough this side of "My way or the highway".

      Calling someone an extremist doesn't invalidate his arguments, it's a way to shut down logical dialogue.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    10. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 1
      Here's what he said:

      Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem.

      Fine then, is his service good enough to overcome piracy or not? By adding DRM he's basically admitting that his service is not good enough.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    11. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 1
      Here is what Gabe said:

      Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem.

      He obviously does not believe that enough to actually release the product without DRM. So either he believes his service sucks, or he doesn't believe what he said.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    12. Re:Value by osu-neko · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we'll see how much Gabe believes that when he releases Half-Life 3 without DRM.........

      Bwah? Did you even read what he said, or are you having serious logic fail? To be consistent with what he said, he needs to release HL3 everywhere in the world, 24x7, purchasable from the convenience of your PC, without region-locking, at the same time as the US release, and not just in brick-and-mortar stores. Nothing in what he said implies he thinks it needs to be DRM-free. Unless you think he intends to withhold the release from Steam, it seems quite likely he believes what he said absolutely 100%.

      --
      "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
    13. Re:Value by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Much as I hate DRM, Gabe has worked very hard at keeping his DRM out of the way of paying customers.

      Aside from the issue of completely shitting on First Sale in a way that defeats the concept in the US and has been ruled illegal elsewhere?

      Only if you look at it as a sale, rather than a service. With DRM, it is never really a sale.

    14. Re:Value by houstonbofh · · Score: 1

      Here is what Gabe said:

      Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem.

      He obviously does not believe that enough to actually release the product without DRM. So either he believes his service sucks, or he doesn't believe what he said.

      Forget the fact that his "service" is still better than any of the competing app stores out there. He is focused on seervice and price, and you are focused on access control. His opnion is that access control (DRM) done will is not poor service. And, as much as I hate DRM, he is doing it very well. Unlike Google Play that gives me loads of problems.

    15. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completely agree with what he's saying, but would like to point out that Steam is somewhat guilty of the same.

      Games released in Europe regularly cost double or more than other regions. And release dates are often artificially postponed; some games can be unplayable until 3-5 days after the US release, even preloaded games. This seems completely arbitrary, and I often find myself considering pirating such titles as a matter of principle.

    16. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Your point seems to be that his service doesn't suck. OK, then he doesn't believe what he said. That's perfectly acceptable.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    17. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No pirate offers that.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    18. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Calling someone an extremist doesn't invalidate his arguments, it's a way to shut down logical dialogue.

      You should really let people who attack those who don't believe in AGW know this. They're pretty loud at calling people who don't subscribe to their PoV extremists.

    19. Re:Value by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      A lot of people should know this.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    20. Re:Value by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Only if you look at it as a sale, rather than a service. With DRM, it is never really a sale.

      I went into a store and bought a physical DVD with Half-Life 2 on it. Joke's on me. At least I waited, and only paid twenty bucks.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    21. Re:Value by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      I don't care about Steam's DRM blocking resale since they have really good sales. If people are too poor to afford a new game that they can't resell, they can wait for the game to go on sale. For example Borderlands 2 is $10.19, Bioshock Infinite is down to 29.99, and Tomb Raider is $12.49 right now. This is better than used game prices were at used game stores. Steam is DRM done right.

    22. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not true at all.

      Gabe thinks
      1) piracy happens when it's easier to pirate than to buy.
      2) "most" DRM diminishes the value of the purchased product.

      His solution to this is Steam, which makes it far easier to buy and download immediately than messing around with torrents etc. The fact that Steam has no region locks or installation limits (although he does have to adhere to release dates set by publishers) offsets the value lost by not being able to resell games.

      There's nothing there to say that Gabe doesn't believe his own line about piracy. In fact, everything he's done with Steam directly reflects his stated beliefs about this.

    23. Re:Value by BlackHawk-666 · · Score: 1

      The DVD is a coupon for the service. You received the actual service when you cashed in the coupon by installing it on your PC and playing the game.

      Software is never sold, it is always licenced.

      --
      All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
    24. Re:Value by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Software is never sold, it is always licenced.

      How odd you use that spelling, since it's true in the US, but not in the EU

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    25. Re:Value by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Software is never sold, it is always licenced.

      I disagree with any law that says that; if it's on my hard drive, I consider it mine.

      --
      Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
  17. you can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I can read it digitally, I can copy it and distribute it. You can try and make it less trivial for me to do that, but then your making your product less desirable (DRM is typically a huge ballache) and mine more.

    Its practically a law of nature, don't make the same mistake as big media by thinking you can stem the tide by sheer force of will.

    1. Re: you can't by SociallyRelevant · · Score: 1

      How about offering some interactive features for which screenshots would fail to capture the full experience.

    2. Re:you can't by xstonedogx · · Score: 2

      Don't I feel stupid. I was wondering what this word (seemingly from French) "ballache" meant. Then it dawned on me.

  18. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by ttucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only people punished by DRM are the ones paying money....

  19. Watermark, and get over it by jameshofo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Put a watermark on the page and hand out a few small warnings to those that are distributing to please stop, and slowly step up enforcement. Make it cheap enough that people wont want to pirate it, make it valuable enough that people will respect you enough not to. And build a community around your product, you can always go the DRM route but its ruling with an iron fist, and makes the content inaccessible and hostile to port to other devices, at that point your customers will put in the effort to pirate it because they have no respect for your company.

    Modern companies are getting worse at "customer service" and going the DRM route will make you just another one of the companies people love to hate.

    --
    Good leaders run toward problems, bad leaders hide from them.
    1. Re:Watermark, and get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My computer was hacked and my copy, that your found on pirate bay, was stolen."

    2. Re:Watermark, and get over it by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      It doesn't have to be an invisible watermark, either.

      Simply print the subscriber's name and email address on the cover of the magazine, just where their name and home address would be on the print copy.

      --
      Help! I'm a slashdot refugee.
    3. Re:Watermark, and get over it by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      Has that ever worked as a defence? Even once?

    4. Re:Watermark, and get over it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because pirates care about the cover.

    5. Re:Watermark, and get over it by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      They don't.
      But the copied material has to come from somewhere. And legitimate subscribers will be less likely to share their copies with the rest of the world if it contains personal information.

  20. Why not make/license Apple/Android magazine apps? by Jace+Harker · · Score: 2

    I'm not a huge advocate of DRM or anything, but it seems like you should aim at the Apple/Android tablet market. Build or license a magazine app for content delivery. It'll let you control how much access your users get to the content -- can they save a copy? email it to someone? etc. -- while making it really convenient for your users to get the content delivered regularly and with minimum effort. I suppose you could try to do this on the desktop, but the mobile device world seems tailor-made to your needs, assuming your target audience usually owns mobile devices.

  21. watermarking can help a little by Darth+Technoid · · Score: 1

    If you watermark the file (PDF or other) with some identifying information about each file's recipient, you can track down the source of some of the piracy. Of course, once pirated, the game's over.

    Alternatively, you can only make the document available online, with user identification required.

  22. Why oh why? by fustakrakich · · Score: 0

    Why is this age old internet troll of the "small record store" suffering from "piracy" being repeated over and over again?

    --
    “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    1. Re: Why oh why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are trying to run a business, it's a reasonable question to ask how can they prevent stealing. You can steal stuff from your local neighborhood businesses, but most people wouldn't think twice about it. Im not sure why digital content is different, maybe we all have looser morals than we think when the prospect of getting caught is slim to none and the effort required is minimal.

    2. Re: Why oh why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Im not sure why digital content is different

      Because you cannot steal it. Oh, and the question is about copyright infringement, not theft. Which is actually the root of the problem, because theft has well-known solutions and rather clear moral distinction, and copyright infringement hasn't.

      > maybe we all have looser morals

      No, that's just you. Pretty all other people discussing the extent of sensible copyright handling have a good sense of right and wrong. Those people *you* are referring to -- those with loose moral, who will just trample over other's intellectual property -- don't discuss the topic, they just copy stuff.

    3. Re: Why oh why? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      In Slashdot that argument is often morphed to "it's not stealing, because no one loses anything, and you can make unlimited copies". Which still leaves the problem, how are we then going to decide who gets the free copy and who has to pay? Because the maker of the product has to recoup the production costs somehow.

  23. Upside down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your question runs against the trend of how the future of online business will work. Let me put it this way.. The Greatful Dead recieved free advertising from fans who would pay $$$ to go to a concert and get to record a show. That recording was then free for all to share and enjoy. The music was good but never as good really being there - just ask the guy who gave you the tape. Perhaps you've got 3 kids and can't go to the show - well enjoy the music a concert really isn't a place for a mom & dad with kids -- It's still a win-win . For a movie this trend works just as well - be the first to see the new Bieber vampire movie and get a signed t-shirt and brag about how awesome it was to your friends - They only got to watch the movie a few days later on their cell phone. This forumla is how the future economy will work, like it or hate it that is how it will work. But be aware that this formula breaks down when you try to sell information or when you are a middle man who brings nothing to the table. So you want to sell online content - it's got to be valuable - people are going to have to want to pay for it. But more so when the information leaks (and it will) it has to support the original artist by way of advertisement or added content.

    1. Re:Upside down by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      be the first to see the new Bieber vampire movie

      Why bother? He doesn't need to play a vampire in order to suck.

      --
      -- This and all my posts are in the public domain. I am a lawyer. I am not your lawyer, and this is not legal advice.
    2. Re:Upside down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      be the first to see the new Bieber vampire movie

      Why bother? He doesn't need to play a vampire in order to suck.

      No, but people tend to care less, when you stab a vampire with a wooden stick compared to stabbing a person with a wooden stick.

      Oh, wait, you said Bieber. Nevermind then, go nuts. In fact, here's a wooden stick, you can borrow. Want some garlic, a cross and some holy water too? You know, just in case...

  24. Free sharing of thoughts by tigusoft · · Score: 1

    This can be hard from your POV, but limiting people to share information is usually not good. To resolve this conflict of intelectual slavery, you could try to shift business to new models that do not require denying usres from freely talking or sharing. Maybe some extra options, comments, or even crowdsourcing. If this is at all possible in your case, then such model removes the problem while keeping both sides of trade happy.

  25. Inflate your circulation numbers by intermelt · · Score: 2

    You mention that the publication can't be supported without the subscription fees due to not making enough on advertising. Maybe you should increase your advertising rates. If people are pirating the electronic version, than your circulation is higher and your advertising rates should be higher.

    If that doesn't fly just watermark them like other people mentioned and go after the pirates.

  26. let's crowdsource a solution to this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your publication is digital, you feel you should convert your rights to it into money by management of the resource?

    ok, so the salient features seem to be

    1. 1. digital
    2. 2. rights
    3. 3. management

    let's put our heads together on this!

    just call me,

    DR M

  27. Newstand.com does this by quietwalker · · Score: 4, Informative

    My wife used to work for a company called 'newsstand.com' that does this exact sort of thing.

    I can't say that they treated their employees well, and they really embraced the whole 'outsource jobs' thing, but, yeah. They have some sort of secured reader, they manage your subscriptions, etc. You actually get an electronic version of the print version, reflowed and reformatted to properly fit a pdf reader, as opposed to a separate digital copy with less features or ads or whatever.

    They're also used to dealing with publishers who can't spell IBM, though I don't know if they actually can help in those cases, at least it won't be a shock to them. So, if you or your IT staff are somehow mentally incapable, they can still handle you.

    I have no idea of the pricing or anything, however.

  28. Don't worry about it by slashbart · · Score: 1

    You could ask the publisher of Linuxjournal.com how it works for them. They've gone all digital (with no watermarks), and I've switched my subscription from paper to digital.

    1. Re:Don't worry about it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      THEY switched everyone's subscriptions from paper to digital a couple of years back. There was no choice in the matter.

  29. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by davester666 · · Score: 2

    I think that's what Adobe's content creation apps do. You create nice small vector-graphics and text documents, then generate a 400Mb multi-page jpeg.

    --
    Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
  30. you can't, ignore pirates, they aren't your market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    they aren't your customers

    work on delivering the most convenient, accessible, highest quality content to your customers (the ones who give you money)

    you ignore the ones you get it without paying just like you ignore the ones who look at it and keep walking

  31. Don't ride buzzwords. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such as "piracy", no matter what you do, people will share it, and its enough for a single person to bypass whatever mechanism is in place, all that any such mechanism does is become obnoxious to legitimate users.

  32. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by melikamp · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Exactly. If the OP wants to be respectful toward the readers, delivering an online magazine is very simple. Remove ads, put everything online under CC-BY-SA (https, no paywall, no login required to read), create a downloadable pdf for offline viewers, and start a donation drive. I promise you near-zero effective piracy rate. There will be sites with exact copies, but no one will use them or link to them because they will have ads, and your site will actually be the most convenient source. If you can't get enough in donations, then no one wants your magazine, and you should probably diversify your business.

  33. Dealing with the impossible by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Interesting

    the electronic version is quickly pirated and easily available around the world each month...

    Here's the thing; Everyone wants to change the world. Nobody thinks of changing their own thinking or approach to a problem. Nobody's going to beat "piracy". Not you, not the RIAA, the MPAA, or even the most powerful governments on Earth. All they can do is guilt and shame people, threaten and cajoule them, punish them, but they cannot stop them. Everyone thinks we're well into the information age, and it's easy to believe that when the devices we use are changing so fast. But we're still at the very beginning. This is a change to society that will take generations, not years. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

    Now, let's talk about computers. At their most basic, they are devices for the storage, transmission, and manipulation, of binary data. Fundamentally, information sharing is what computers do best, and that capability is what is driving this revolution of human consciousness. Trying to limit it or create new designs so it only works in one direction, is a practice doomed to failure over the long term. We can make short term alterations to our devices, make it more difficult, but we can't eliminate it without destroying the very thing that gives the computer value. This is something hackers, engineers, programmers, and geeks understand implicitly, but we have a hard time verbalizing it to outsiders.

    We have an even harder time convincing people like you, whose business depends on an outmodded idea that publication and distribution are married to each other, that distribution can be controlled in any way. It's our fault in part because we aren't naturally gifted at communicating how computers work -- it is a radically different approach to everything that came before. Sure, we can come up with phrases like "Information wants to be free", but it rings hollow before traditional modes of thinking. It doesn't communicate the why behind it. Information doesn't want anything. But its creation in digital format means that it is now bound to a new set of rules. Knowledge, once converted to digital form, is now subject to a whole new universe -- it's like the laws of physics got rewritten once digitized.

    You cannot stop "piracy". The future is instantanious information exchange, two-way, multi-modal, and without restriction. No matter what you, or the government, or anyone does, this will eventually be the case. I know it took hundreds of years before people really accepted the Earth is flat, and perhaps it will take even longer before people truly embrace unrestricted information exchange; But it is an inevitability.

    If you want help stopping this, you've come to the wrong place. The solutions offered up will be temporary, incomplete, and at a high cost. My advice to you is to change your thinking. You cannot stop information exchange, but you can give it additional value. In a world where all information is easily exchanged, the only value is in the decision to exchange it. The more you can do to convince people to make that exchange, the more value the goods will have. And as a packaged product, you can put things in like advertisement, etc., to support the costs of publication. Leverage this new resource to all but eliminate the cost of distribution. The network will find a way to do that for you. Focus on creating something worth sharing; And your reputation, your name, will gain value. That is what you sell, not the work itself. The work itself is just a collection of data.

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    1. Re:Dealing with the impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      s/piracy/surveillance/g

      Go re-read your manifesto and see how few changes you'd have to make. So why do we have so many stories here about the NSA, and corporate massing/buying and selling/crunching Big Data on individuals?

    2. Re:Dealing with the impossible by girlintraining · · Score: 0

      Go re-read your manifesto and see how few changes you'd have to make. So why do we have so many stories here about the NSA, and corporate massing/buying and selling/crunching Big Data on individuals?

      It's not a manifesto, for one. And to answer your question -- only an Anonymous Coward could be as stupid as to mistake a technical problem for a social one.

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    3. Re:Dealing with the impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because of the butterfly effect?

    4. Re:Dealing with the impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only an Anonymous Coward could be as stupid

      Here on Slashdot, we are major advocates for privacy and anonymity on the Internet. Except when posting on Slashdot with an opinion that isn't shared by the majority, because that... why that just goes against the longstanding conventions of all decent folks.

      That's one of those ironies I've noticed, that I don't think many others have.

      as to mistake a technical problem for a social one.

      So of the two, piracy and surveillance, which is the technical problem and which the social problem? Or 'issue' if you prefer.

    5. Re:Dealing with the impossible by __aasqbs9791 · · Score: 2

      ...I know it took hundreds of years before people really accepted the Earth is flat, and perhaps it will take even longer before people truly embrace unrestricted information exchange; But it is an inevitability...

      I still don't believe the Earth is flat. But I agree with the rest of your statement.

    6. Re:Dealing with the impossible by RJFerret · · Score: 1

      I find it so ironic, that a publication whose purpose is to profit via distributing information, seeks to prohibit dispersing information/limit readership and restrict profits!

    7. Re:Dealing with the impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      very very well put, I'm going to copy this. :-)

  34. What I would do by kasperd · · Score: 1

    Consider some sort of watermarking. It is not as easy to watermark text as it is with pictures. But it is still possible. Every time an article is written the writer need to find a few places throughout the text where two different versions of the text are equally good. Sometimes this will come very natural, when the writer encounters a situation where [he]/[she] can't make up [his]/[her] mind about the wording, the choice can be left to the watermarking software.

    Leaving just a handful of bits for the watermarking software to chose in each article means any subscriber systematically copying articles would soon reveal [her]/[his] identity. Even copying as little as 100 bits of watermarking could produce a very clear signal about which subscriber is copying the data.

    Make sure any technical means you choose don't get in the way of the user. You need to ensure what a user expects to be able to do with a website will still work. That includes searching the site using the users favourite search engine and sharing links with their friends.

    As far as search engines go, try to treat the search engine as just another subscriber, which happens to get free access, as you want to drive users to your site.

    Anybody who visits your site starting with a link from a search engine should be allowed to read the first article they found, but you can limit the number of articles per day a single user can access this way. When a non-subscriber follows links between articles, you can provide an interstitial page with information about signing up, and limiting the number of articles the user can read before subscribing.

    Ensure that your subscribers can share links. When a subscriber want to share an article with [his]/[her] friends, there should be a link to provide a URL suitable for sharing. Each subscriber should only be allowed to share a fraction of the articles on the site this way. They are not supposed to be able to generate sharing URLs for every single article they access. But for those few they want to share, they should have access to such a URL. Once the sharing URL has been generated anybody with the URL should be able to access the page without having a subscription themselves.

    Once in a while such a URL might spread widely, that is just good publicity for your site. In case archives of such URLs covering a substantial fraction of your site start spreading, you can easily track the URLs back to subscribers.

    The trick is to ensure that fair usage remains possible, and is not hindered by technical means. And instead of trying to prevent users from stepping across the boundary of fair usage through technical means, just use technical means to track it. Subscriptions can be cancelled, if [users]/[customers] are abusing the freedom you give them.

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  35. Google Play Magazines? by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

    Or the other tablet/e-reader magazine solutions.

    Why make it harder for yourself and try to roll your own when there already exists a solution.

  36. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by easyTree · · Score: 5, Informative

    Agreed. I just made the mistake of buying an audiobook on audible.co.uk. Never again. They expect you to install a downloader just to get the content; plus the downloader isn't triggered from all browsers so a change of browser might be needed. Once you've actually got the content, there are device-synchronization and audible-drm-compatible-player issues. Who wants to go through all that ? Unfortunately the content wasn't available on bt so I can't resort to that as a means of making it the content accesible in a way that suits me. To add insult to injury, audible 'allow' me as a customer to burn a limited number of books to CD but... drumroll... this process has a dependency on iTunes. WTH? I suppose I should know better as it's now owned by Amazon :S

    What a great future we all have to look forwards to when any remaining audiobook-content creators still in competition with Amazon are no longer :S:S:S:S:S

  37. DRM == no sale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some Type 2 people, it's even more clearcut.

    I'm a Type 2 person and I gladly buy things that I enjoy. However, never under any circumstances will I buy something that's DRM-protected, because it means that I own nothing and I might lose access to it.

    DRM-protected content is only leased, not purchased property. I'm not interested in a lease.

    So for me there's no question, DRM means no sale.

  38. If I knew, I would not tell you by Tanuki64 · · Score: 1

    Why should I? You ask for a way to protect your 'intellectual property' so you can make money with it. If I knew the answer to your question, it would be my IP. Give me one reason, why I should give it to you for free?

  39. easy: personalize online version by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make every single copy unique and traceable to its buyer. Possibly by invisible watermarks, slightly changed layout, text, pictures, pixels etc. Be creative - the possibilities are endless. Change your methods regularly.

    Important:
    Make your users know every copy will be unique and traceable to its buyer. Also, tell them every pirated copy will be traced back and the uploader will be sued.

    Success guaranteed.

  40. This other /. story might be of relevance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  41. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by murdocj · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sounds good. You should do the same with your work. There are lots of people competing for jobs, so you should just show up and work for free, and if someone wants to make a donation to you, great.

  42. Make it easy to buy; what about CCC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Allow your subscriber to pay via every known method. Some people don't want to use their credit cards online; others have paypal or bitcoin anyway. The more options the likelier you might get paid.

    I'd suggest a watermark with the subscriber ID on each page (NOT the name, for privacy reasons). Then don't worry about it.

    As an aside, how many people PDF'ed your printed mags and put them on line? When you have a journal that costs (say) $200 a copy, you would think that it would happen a lot. I wonder, though. Someone who has paid $200 is not likely to want to give it away to others for free.

    Questions:
    But people do share articles. With a paper journal, a person might scan and share an article. How will they share a single article now? Would they email the whole journal? The Copyright Clearance Center seems to work for printed journals. How will it work for your electronic only journal?

    What about licensing your journal to an aggregator like ProQuest or EBSCO? This might help making more money if you're not doing it already.

  43. Unless you're publishing it in self contained file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for example as a PDF, I don't think you have to worry too much about it. It really is convenience of pirating vs the cost. I don't think anyone is pirating Wall Street Journal. You should also consider whether making the articles publicly available with ads is feasible.

  44. Go to an open model by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Magazines can charge subscription fees to the extent that there is value in the content. Magazines can sell advertizing to the extent that people see the content. There is a spectrum here, a slider (if you will) that you can set anywhere between two extremes.

    You're currently betwixt those two extremes. If you move to a model exclusively one way or the other, then the answer is obvious.

    A printed magazine is inconvenient to duplicate, so can survive on subscription fees for content. An online magazine costs nothing to duplicate, so subscription fees for content is unworkable.

    Drop subscription fees altogether and get all revenue from advertizing. Your reader base will skyrocket, making the publication a better value for advertizing.

    Baen Books posts their older books for free on the net. Surprisingly, this increased hard-copy sales and opened their publications to a much wider audience. Eric Flint's explanation is a good read.

    (And many of the free online Baen books are a good read as well.)

    Note that I'm expounding the virtues of Baen Books to this website read by hundreds of thousands each day. Your magazine could do worse than be one of the handful of well-respected companies whose product is based on customer value.

    And for reference, count the myriad websites that give value to the user and survive on advertizing alone. XKCD and Hackaday for example. Not websites that rely on users that add value, but websites that actually have value that the user wants. Randall Munroe lets others cite and copy his work virtually everywhere so long as it's not for money.

    Transition to an open online model and throw it out to the world. Become a respected product of value.

  45. I have a suggestion for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just die. As a company, I mean.

    No really. Your model is outdated, you are a dinosaur. It is time to go extinct.

  46. Change your business model by Maudib · · Score: 1

    Piracy will help your business model. Just put your content on your website and update it regularly.

    If the content is truly technical you should get a CPM of many dollars.

  47. Subscription fees by gte881s · · Score: 1

    Two separate points: First, It is easy to say that survival depends on subscription fees, but the reality is that many people today choose either to pay for subscriptions or to view ads. For a technical magazine, it might make sense to make the content more open and attempt to increase subscribers and, through that, increase ad revenue. This might not be a viable model, but it serves your purpose well. Second, sadly, even without piracy, tech articles can be easily duplicated, rewritten, or otherwise usurped. Tech articles have a short lifetime and I see very little value in print articles. Once the article appears online, I typically skip the later print versions. Relating this to piracy is simple: by the time someone has pirated the average tech article, it is old news. Dozens of aggregation websites exist that point people to the original article immediately. If it is "breaking" news, ads are the primary means of revenue generation. Frankly, most technically interested readers skip subscription serveries because they are becoming irrelevant in the tech news world.

  48. sampler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Provide a free low quality pdf as a sampler.

  49. wrong approach by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the wrong approach for dealing with piracy is going after those who do it.

    the right approach is offering something which doesn't give them a reason to "pirate" it. Not to mention that the term isn't even correct, you can't pirate an ebook/magazine.

    example: having your magazine available worldwide without restrictions.
    example: offering something in the digital version that print doesn't.

    TLDR version: put in effort to make a good magazine instead of doing the lazy step of "we need more control to deal with piracy"

    1. Re:wrong approach by BemoanAndMoan · · Score: 2

      the right approach is offering something which doesn't give them a reason to "pirate" it. ... example: having your magazine available worldwide without restrictions. ... you can't pirate an ebook/magazine

      I struggle to imagine how your example could be any more pointless. Like pissing into the wind and congratulating yourself because you remembered to keep your mouth closed.

      Especially this -> You can't pirate and ebook/magazine? Is this just some petty terminology hangup, would you prefer the terms steal/infringe/plagiarize/redistribute illegally? The other possibility is that you're suggesting that copywrite doesn't exist, or that it isn't a crime. If so, I imagine you must also cheer when banker's foreclose on junk mortgages (and double-dip by shorting them) and wall streeter's game stocks and profit while Gramma's pension halves in value. After all, they're getting away with being thieving dicks too, gaming the system and smiling because it's so hard to get caught breaking the law ... what's the difference?

      The fact is, you'll never get through to the poetmatt mentality. If you are distributing digitally there will always be tools too thick to realize the consequences of their petty arrogance, that their actions directly jeopardize the source of the material perhaps irrevocably (especially in niche markets).

      If you can't find a way of monetizing the content through secondary channels (professional support, training, high charges for advertising, timely feeds, or perhaps just using digital only as a supplement or enhancement to subscribers) it's possible your business model isn't going to translate to the digital age. I'd suggest polling your clients directly, ask them what they are looking for and maybe you'll find a safe, no-hassle way of delivering it or a new way of operating that fits your current skill sets / resources.

    2. Re:wrong approach by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      You're being naieve. Ive seen a number of programs that I really loved stop development because piracy was just too rampant. It can be a huge problem when youre charging $5 for a perpetual license, and 2 users buy it while everyone else pirates it. Who wants to continue sinking time into it when it costs you time and money when everyone can just give you the finger by pirating it?

    3. Re:wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > TLDR

      It would be great if you left that acronym out, and the moronic structuring of the text it leads to.

    4. Re:wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At the end of the day piracy should be called what it is, taking a free sample. Obscurity is a far greater threat to any business than piracy. If your product is of high quality then your paying userbase will vastly outnumber your freeloaders. If you consider the infringers as "unauthorized brand promoters" and consider those lost sales as the cost of raising brand awareness, then you'll see piracy is actually a very good value relative to what you pay for ineffective advertising that most users will simply ad-block.

      Piracy is estimated to cost only $50 billion a year according to some of the staunchest anti-piracy advocates.

      Internet advertising alone cost almost double that at $99 billion in 2012.

      If companies would stop advertising, stop punishing filesharers, and simply rely on piracy to raise their brand awareness, then they could literally turn their imagined losses to piracy into financial gains on the balance sheet.

      Piracy is the result of people wanting your product but not being able to buy it, don't punish them for loving you.

    5. Re:wrong approach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're suggesting that copywrite doesn't exist... you must also cheer when banker's foreclose on junk mortgages... and wall streeter's game stocks and profit...

      You should sue your school. They really did a shitty job educating you.

      The fact is, you'll never get through to the poetmatt mentality.

      I have no idea what a "poetmatt mentality" is, and neither does Google. Please go back to 4chan and stay away from here. Thank you.

    6. Re:wrong approach by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      " I imagine you must also cheer when banker's foreclose on junk mortgages (and double-dip by shorting them) and wall streeter's game stocks and profit while Gramma's pension halves in value."

      what does this have to do with a magazine, exactly? you went so far off the deep end that this really doesn't have any association with the article or my comment. It's not theft, and it's not necessarily redistribution. If you download the copy someone else provided, are you then guilty of redistribution? The MPAA/RIAA would love to say yes, but reality (and the legal system worldwide) would tend to disagree.

    7. Re:wrong approach by poetmatt · · Score: 1

      no, actually. You are the naieve one.

      What choice does the rest of the world have but to pirate, if you only release your show in 1 country/language? Or only accept credit card payments?

      Nobody's giving you the finger by pirating unless you are simply ignorant to what pirating is. It's not "Stealing", it's sending a message to the creator of "I'm unable to buy this the way I want".

  50. Elektor magazine by seairth · · Score: 1

    I am on the "DRM is more bad than good" camp. As an example, I point out Elektor magazine, which provides non-DRM PDFs of their magazine (in addition to the print version). My (admittedly limited) impression is that its made their "product" much better, and more valuable. I can treat the digital version just like my print copy (yes, even lend it), and that's a good thing. The valuable part of a magazine is the ideas in it, not the medium it's printed/rendered on. I feel that Elektor has done an excellent job of making the value of their product center around the information they provide, which easily justifies paying for it. And one way they've done that is to *not* argue that the medium is part of that value.

    1. Re:Elektor magazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am on the "DRM is more bad than good" camp. As an example, I point out Elektor magazine, which provides non-DRM PDFs of their magazine (in addition to the print version). My (admittedly limited) impression is that its made their "product" much better, and more valuable. I can treat the digital version just like my print copy (yes, even lend it), and that's a good thing. The valuable part of a magazine is the ideas in it, not the medium it's printed/rendered on. I feel that Elektor has done an excellent job of making the value of their product center around the information they provide, which easily justifies paying for it. And one way they've done that is to *not* argue that the medium is part of that value.

      Hey, thanks man

  51. Adapt or disappear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You and your company seem not to understand how the Internet works and what users want (no DRM, fair prices, and quality... but that doesn't mean none will download a copy, deal with it)

    You didn't even publish anything on the Net and managed somehow to start copywrong-trolling

    Piracy = the act of breaking into a Network/computer by bypassing security/protection systems
    Stealing = the act of taking things from other people without their consent = substraction
    Copying = multiplying files, the way the Internet and the Web work (cached memory)
    Multiplying = subtracting = breaking into computers/Networks ? Are you on acid ?

    Adapt by getting over it, there's NO proper and effective wat to control data diffusion on the Net, it's a damn public network, not some fucking sci-fi military high-security network... there's always a way to bypass DRM
    Your profits DON'T justify DRM (= consumers ripping-off), and privacy-invading or repressives technologies/laws
    Don't like it ? then just disappear or don't even even try to publish anything on the Net, none forces to do it

    But stop using newspeak, and stop bitching about the Internet... just like you're not bitching about scanners and photocopiers !

  52. Look at Home Power Magazine by microcars · · Score: 1

    www.homepower.com
    They have a print version, but have been offering a PDF version (no DRM) for many years.
    The PDF used to be available for free download from the main web page, that seems to have changed so it is now available to subscribers only.
    I do not know what CMS (Content Management System) they use but it seems to work for them.
    Each subscriber gets a unique download url so I don't think it can be shared.

    Alternatively you could just create a FUDL (Fake Unique Download URL) like:
    www.example.com/5tsQ7ghs/issue3-2013/
    and send those out to each "subscriber", telling them it is for their use only and change the name of the directory to some other goofy name for the next issue.
    of course this does not really provide PP (Piracy Proof) content, but I think that has been commented on enough already and I think you should just let that part go.
    Make it easy for people that want to pay to get the digital version but make it just a little bit hard to figure it out if you are not a subscriber.

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  53. Give good value, the only thing that works. by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Any technical attempts to prevent "piracy" are doomed. They will however decrease the value of the product to the customer and increase the cost of making it. So, if you want to kill your product, load it with DRM, make copying impossible, etc. You customers will show you the same respect you show for them.

    Also, your benchmark for success is not how many times your product gets copied without permission, your benchmark is how many times it sells. The "one copy pirated equals one sale lost" rhetoric completely wrong and utterly stupid, and this has now been shown by several scientifically sound studies. If you do not have enough sales, then it is because your product sucks.

    You may also want to look at the experiences Baen books made with publishing online without DRM. Hint: Their sales went up.

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  54. Resistance is futile by MpVpRb · · Score: 1

    Stopping piracy is impossible

    As long as you have enough paying customers to make a profit, you are OK

    If you make your DRM too annoying, you will piss off your paying customers

    I suggest doing everything you can to reward your loyal, paying customers, while treating piracy as advertising expense

  55. make it free by floops · · Score: 1

    Instead of getting part of your income from advertising, get all of it from advertising. You will then get a better distribution probably ten times more, and the advertisers will get a better deal than they otherwise would have. Everyone wins.

  56. You're creating your own problem. by Xel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been a reader of WIRED magazine since their first year. (calm down now; its just an example. let's argue the merits of Wired's newsworthiness elsewhere).
    I got an iPad, and when Wired came to the Newsstand app, I thought it would be an excellent thing for me- now I could read the magazine anywhere, anywhen. I didn't even have to pay, being a print subscriber was enough. But the thing is, I had to laboriously download each issue, they took up a lot of room on my iPad, and I just never remembered that there was an issue sitting, waiting for me.
    What did I do all those times i was stuck at an airport, or babysitting a sleeping baby, and had time on my hands? You'd THINK I would open up Newsstand and read an issue of Wired, but what I really did was opened up my RSS reader and skimmed headlines from dozens of blogs, all at once. Gizmodo, Engadget, Techcrunch, boingboing, Ars, Slashdot, and yes, Wired.
    I don't even read Wired any more. is it because of DRM, or watermarking? of course not. it's because: why would I sit down for an hour and read month-old news when i can get the headlines up-to-date every minute of every day, in bite-sized chunks?
    If you want to modernize and get online, that's great. But why are you only thinking of modernizing ONE part of your hundred-year-old delivery service? If you're just going online because that's what everyone is doing, I would say: forget it. Save your money. Keep printing your magazine, and the people who really need it for their jobs and their wellbeing will continue subscribing. But if you want to get with the Now, do it right. Stop thinking in monthly/bimonthly/quarterly/whatever publishing cycles. Publish a steady stream of articles and news, when they're ready, when they're relevant. Give subscribers a way to log in and go thorugh old content whenever they need it. Create a community, get information flowing in both directions. Add value. No one will bother pirating your content because there will be NEW content tomorrow. You can't pirate breaking news, and you cant pirate community feedback.

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    1. Re:You're creating your own problem. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thaty's for sure. It's why I read Slashdot and Ars Technica, but not wired or any techy magazines: I'd prefer a steady stream of information I can read when I have time, not a bunch of older stuff. Also, the comments: I typically find more interesting stuff in the Slashdot comments of something thasn the actual article.

  57. An actual answer by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    My post fails to answer the original question, so here's an actual answer.

    Call up the advertizing departments of the major online magazines which have a subscription model, such as the New York Times and Wall Street Journal. Tell them who you are and what you want to do, and ask if someone could discuss their situation with you and give some recommendations.

    Surprisingly, many people are willing to spend time helping others, giving advice, and outlining their experiences with a problem. Talking to someone with first-hand knowledge is the most valuable information you can get.

    If you do this, please write up your conclusions somewhere and submit it as a followup article. Many Slashdot readers aspire to have online businesses, and would be interested in your results.

    From what I've read, I strongly suspect that the online magazines aren't making enough money from online subscriptions to warrant the hassles of the infrastructure. NYT, for example, had to implement their own subscription interface... is your small shop willing to bear that expense? It will take manpower, money, and time away from adding value to your product, and I suspect that the return on your subscription won't be worth the tradeoff.

    You'll be putting a lot of effort into the subscription mechanism, while at the same time reducing your readership. It's better to ditch subscription altogether, put your efforts into adding value, and get money from advertizing.

  58. Piracy=possible profit? DRM=customer loss? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to look at things the other way around.

    The people who pirate most likely would not have bought it in the first place. If you put DRM on the content, you WILL drive away some of your customer base.

    You cant look at it as every copy that is pirated is a lost sale because it isnt. In fact, in some instances, it will increase revenue because it will reach more people and, if it is a good product, some of them WILL buy your products going forward.

  59. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by melikamp · · Score: 1

    I do do this with my own writing, but this is besides the point. I don't ask the OP to work for free, I am just asking not to scam the readers. If the magazine is interesting, then the OP will get paid. If the magazine is crap, the proper action is to make it better or quit, not to abuse the customers.

  60. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by murdocj · · Score: 1

    Huh? asking subscribers to not post free copies online is a scam? Really?

  61. "Secure distribution"? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Do any slashdotters have experience of delivering electronic magazines via a subscription service in a way that is cost effective and secure?"

    You mean, at least as secure as the printed versions that presumably burst into flames when their buyer tries to lend them to anyone else?

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  62. Depends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do the pirate copies really represent lost sales? Not sales you would like to have had, but actual people who used to buy the magazine but now download it for free. If they do represent lost sales, you either need to find a way to stop it being pirated or to extract more value per page hit received. (For the latter, perhaps you could pursue a phoronix-like strategy of breaking up articles into sub-pages so you get more ad impressions per story.)

    If the pirated reads don't represent lost sales you might see a benefit (at least to your blood pressure) in considering it advertising; statistically at least some of the pirate readers will have a crisis of conscience and pay for it, or at least spread awareness of your publication to those who will pay.

  63. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1

    I just made the mistake of buying an audiobook on audible.co.uk. Never again.

    Yep, same here. It's why I buy all my audiobooks as unabridged MP3 CDs on Amazon.ca. Sure, they're not available immediately, but I'm still usually listening to the last one anyway.

  64. By accepting that you can't by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

    You're ability to stop someone copying digital data off of a screen is sightly less possible than your ability to teleport to the moon.

    There is no technological solution to piracy. Instead, it's far more beneficial to view it as a type of progressive taxation and approach it from a pragmatic perspective.

    Computers are machines whose fundamental purpose is copying information. There is nothing you can realistically do to slow this down. There is no future in which computers become worse at copying.

    Another comment in this thread rightly mentioned that piracy is more of a service problem then anything else. When a kid across the world can make it easier and faster to access your stuff, and do it for literally nothing, you're doing something wrong.

    If you want to offer an online edition, you'll need to do more than just make it a digitized version of the print edition. Make it interactive, have little games, animations, integrated live information from RSS or Twitter feeds ... be creative and make the online edition actually ... y'know, *online*. You need give readers a reason to pay for your online edition, not just "because they should." These are also things that require server/client interaction and *can't* be automatically duplicated without an enormous amount of effort -- the kind of effort it would have taken to painstakingly duplicate a magazine or book two hundred years ago.

  65. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by murdocj · · Score: 1

    It's a little different producing a magazine than doing free-lance writing or blogging. The magazine has staffers to buy, office space, equipment to buy, etc. When someone distributes the magazine w/o permission the magazine loses the revenue that allows it to exist, and the magazine content disappears.

  66. Stick to what you know by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    which is content. You're not experts in DRM, so trying to roll your own is only going to be a PITA for you, and your customers, while hardly impeding anyone who wants to pirate.

    This means if you want a solution with DRM, you're going to publish through somebody who is doing DRM'd electronic distribution. That means Amazon's Kindle Publisher, the equivalent Barnes and Noble program, iTunes, or Kobo. The trickiest thing will be figuring out whose terms of use give you the most opportunity to recapture revenue.

    If you're publishing a paper magazine, chances are you are heavily into Adobe already. It would make sense to see what they're offering in terms of electronic distribution and DRM infrastructure to their magazine publishing customers. I'd be willing to bet they've got a solution targeted right at your kind of outfit, because you are hardly unique in your predicament.

    If DRM isn't that critical a concern for you, you might think outside the magazine publisher's box and go right to social media. I know that a number of publications are offering Facebook apps, and again because you are hardly unique in your situation I'd bet there's a way to capture advertising revenue through a Facebook app. Going this route you probably won't be able to keep folks from copying chunks of text from your magazine for their own purposes; that could be an issue for some of your contributors. That said, it's so convenient for users that wholesale piracy of the latest stuff probably won't be a practical concern for you.

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    1. Re:Stick to what you know by sandytaru · · Score: 1

      Hush. This answer is too sensible for Slashdot.

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  67. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Making paying customers jump through hoops is a scam... Yes.

    Doing so will encourage piracy or a fall to irrelevancy.

  68. The approach a small newspaper in my country has by Picardo85 · · Score: 1

    taken is to give the digital edition away for free for regular subscribers... but let's skip the subscription model here and propose a solution for a distribution model that might be nice and add value for customers.

    Their digital distribution, for PC, Android and IOS is in the form of something that looks like the regular newspaper. Looks really good and it's zoomable and stuff like that. It's completely readable as such. But to add to that they've also put raw text posts for easy reading if you click on the articles. This adds extra value and convenience for their customers. You can check them out at www.hbl.fi The site is however in swedish, but it's possible to google translate it with good quality :)

    Unfortunately they've done quite a few restrictions on their website. You can still read the online articles as a non subscriber, but they've restricted the commenting to be just for the subscribers which has decreased the amount of comments significantly. You can't even read the comments w/o being a subscriber afaik.

  69. Assume your publication is dead by rsimpson · · Score: 1

    > the electronic version is quickly pirated and easily available around the world each month ....... We are a small company, and our survival depends not only on advertising but on the subscription fees

    Find a way to track the piracy, then go to the advertisers and say "Hey! Look at how many people are reading our magazine!". Actually, just search the /. history, there are many people who are willing to track this kind of thing. The subscribers will continue to pay if they actually care about the content, and are in no way inconvenienced. As an example, I subscribe to the new Linux Journal e-Magazine version. I used to subscribe to the print version as well. However, I never really read them from cover to cover, I just liked them to be there when I wanted them. When they switched over to online only, I stopped subscribing, because logging into their site to read it meant it wasn't "just there when I wanted it". Eventually I bought a tablet and renewed my subscription (now online only). I have been pretty happy so far, but every now and then the DRM starts to annoy me (taking too long to load due to a huge complex network between my tablet and their servers that spans ISP's, countries and continents), so I am considering dropping them and just carrying on reading advertising sponsored sites whenever it suits me.

    I think one of the biggest dichotomies between online advertising and print advertising now-a-days is that advertisers have made us hate adverts because they think we hate adverts. When I buy a newspaper, after reading the front page articles, I pull out the advertising section to see if there is anything that may help me save a few bucks in the next couple of days. It is the original "GroupOn". With online content now, sites throw adverts in your face, which means you either ignore them (normal people), or just put up ad-block (normally awesome people).

    P.S I work for a company that could be construed as an advertising company in the Minority Report sense

  70. Why should electronic be different than print? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know how many print magazines I've read in waiting room at doctors' offices or while waiting for my car to be repaired. Seems to me in fact that electronic should be no different.

  71. Accessible, hassel free, and fair price by careysb · · Score: 2

    Exactly! This is how Amazon sells so many MP3s and Kindle books. NY Times, on the other hand, doesn't get it. I peruse their headlines online just about every day. Click on an article every other day or so. Some times I get the "Limit Exceeded" message that sends me to their subscribe page. All well and good but I can't get an online subscription only and their prices (considering I only want online access) are ridiculous.

    1. Re:Accessible, hassel free, and fair price by davidannis · · Score: 1

      I can't get an online subscription

      I'm not sure why you can't. They offer a number of options.

    2. Re:Accessible, hassel free, and fair price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On what planet do you live? Kindle books are DRMed. The NYT is not. But you have to pay for access to their paywall. Online subscriptions start at $3.75 a week which is an incredible deal for that much journalism.

      http://www.nytimes.com/subscriptions/Multiproduct/lp5558.html?campaignid=37XQK

    3. Re:Accessible, hassel free, and fair price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, you know Kindle books are often (mostly?) protected by DRM, yes?

    4. Re:Accessible, hassel free, and fair price by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Record Company Required Metadata:
      http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200422000

      Amazon inserts watermarks when asked to.
      I have no problems with watermarking. I do have problems with DRM.

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    5. Re:Accessible, hassel free, and fair price by nikkipolya · · Score: 0

      Oh, you just have to clear your NYTimes cookies.

  72. I don't know about audible.co.uk by transporter_ii · · Score: 1

    If it is similar to Audible.com, then you are wrong on a lot of things here. It may be different, though.

    Audible.com, you can either have an app on a tablet/smartphone, or a windows/mac machine. To make MP3s, the process is this: From Windows, burn to CD image with a virtual CD drive that burns to an image. Mount the image with virtual CD software, save to MP3 using your favorite software.

    I usually listen on my phone, but convert all my books to MP3 just to store them in a DRM-free format. It is really pretty quick to do it. Some people have even automated the process. I just do it using the above process.

    I have all the convenience of the audible format, with the peace of mind of long-term storage in a format I know will work quite some time.

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  73. Re:An Idea (dumb?, good? you decide) by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

    maybe an article delivered as an image with advertising

    No, don't ever do this. It will make the article slow loading, memory intensive and render poorly at levels of zoom other than the native one. Making your product less good is never a good way to attract paying customers.

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  74. Dont bother by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    If you cant provide enough value for people to purchase, don't bother 'publishing' it in the first place.

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  75. What would the payoff be? by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

    How much evidence do you have that people who pirate your magazine would buy the print or online version?
    Conversely, how many who run across a pirated version might start to subscribe?

  76. Here's an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just flood the usual channels with hundreds, if not thousands of PDFs that contain only parts of articles. That should skew search engine results.

  77. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by melikamp · · Score: 1

    It's a little different producing a magazine than doing free-lance writing or blogging. The magazine has staffers to buy, office space, equipment to buy, etc.

    For the third time, I don't expect them to work for free, just like I don't expect Wikipedia staff and servers to work for free.

    When someone distributes the magazine w/o permission the magazine loses the revenue that allows it to exist, and the magazine content disappears.

    Which is why I suggested giving an explicit permission to distribute. The OP wanted to reduce or eliminate piracy, and I described a way. If the magazine is available freely and is supported by donations, then redistribution by third parties can only increase the revenue.

  78. This is an interesting dilemma.... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    This is something I started pondering in the early 1990's:
    We want and just 'have to' have and use computers to make things easier and faster, yet there is always an uproar and fighting because things get easier and faster...WTF?

    When you set about to change something...don't be surprised when change happens!

    Face it. If you are going to put it online, you will have to change your business model. You no longer have captive markets to exploit.
    You will have to return to the old business model of treating your customers (not consumers) better than your competition, you will have to offer better Customer Service than your competition, and...you will have to offer a better value/product to your customers than your competition.

    The business world worked well for a long time with this method before the 'digital age'/'consumer instead of customer age'.

    One of the downsides of the concept of Intellectual Property I suppose... It changes and limits your thinking somewhat.

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  79. An example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First of all, lets all realize that calling copyright infringement piracy is an attempt by the RIAA/MPAA and others to make copyright infringement sound like a far worse crime than it really is. While copyright infringement is not right, it is in no way as heinous as the acts of the real past or present day pirates of the high seas. Penalties for copyright infringement need to be limited to the actual retail price of the media involved, not the totally bogus figures seen today.

    I am a member of an organization. The membership includes a printed magazine every month. In the spring pf this year, the magazine was made available online, and for download by members. Unfortunately the organization chose to use NXTbook as the format. To download the magazine you need Adobe Air, which is only available for Windblows. The downloaded file is huge, over 300Mb. Both the online and downloaded versions are very slow, cumbersom to use, and the online version is not readable on anything smaller than a 12 inch screen due to limited choices of font size.

    The organization was so worried about Copyright infringement that they chose the crappiest possible DRM-infested format! A non-drm-infested PDF file would have been so much better. Non-members cannot acess that part of the organization's web page. The organization and it's magazine is of interest only to a very small segment of the population of the U.S. and an even smaller part of the world's population. So I doubt copyright infringement would be a problem.

  80. So ask nicely and don't be a dick. by IBitOBear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously, just ask your client base not to copy the mag, and maybe even do "pay what you want". It worked really well for The Humble Bundle.

    If the product is good and you treat your customer base well, they will pay. IF you don't they wont.

    The people who are going to copy it are not the people you want to care about as customers. Count them for ad revenue (like any other advertisement model, the reader is the product as far as the advertisers are concerned so copying is good from that angle.

    You just need to find the sweet spot between universally free distribution (for high advert return) and enough direct sales for it's own sake.

    And don't be a dick.

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  81. Two easy ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Provide a paid, ad-free version and then release the content with advertisements a week or month later. Some print magazines do that today but with ads everywhere.
    2) Provide a paid, ad version that customers have to download with the expectation they will share with their friends. Make old versions available to download freely at a later date.

    Consider any old copies as advertisement for your online magazine.

  82. It will be pirated... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a clue. If people want to pirate you to death, you don't have a business model worth pursuing. So, you do several things.

    1) include a POLITE note at the head of each magazine reminding people why you think it would be nice if people bought the digital copy rather than obtain a pirate copy.

    2) provide a direct simple payment mechanism for people to pay for the copy they've obtained anyway, or perhaps for 'donations' after the fact to some degree.

    3) do NOT insult the pirates. It is a war you cannot win. Most people who read pirate copies of your product are potential (or actual) customers.

    4) since you choose to carry ads, understand that many will choose to think you should be prepared to be financed entirely that way. Whether this is possible or not doesn't matter.

    5) don't be a cry-baby over any piracy that happens. It simply wastes your time and puts you in a bad mental place without any upside.

    Remember that all successful companies live with piracy. If they can, why can't you? The philosophy is that the customer is the person who wants to pay for your goods. Pirates can be considered to be in the same category as people who simply aren't interested in your product, and therefore won't be adding to your revenue stream- except that pirates are still reading your magazine ads.

  83. Long story short: You're barking up the wrong tree by NewsSmellsFishey · · Score: 1

    You want to translate your tried and tested hardcopy business model over to the internet. Well, you can't.

    You need a new business model altogether. Literally altogether.

    Currently your entire income depends upon the inheritant slowness of distributing your hardcopy from point A to point B. It takes time and money to print, ship and display your magazine. But on the internet moving your content from point A to the rest of the alphabet and beyond takes practically zero time and with practically zero cost.

    So your first thought is to create some kind of artificial barrier or to maybe rely on the aging and, frankly, woefully out of date copyright law to protect you.

    Neither of these will help you make sales.

    First, encrypting your pdfs or signing them with some kind of DRM only makes it harder for people who want to give you cash to give you cash. Second, the internet is a living creature that perceives any barrier to the free transfere of data, like your magazine's content, as damage and wiill route all traffic around this damage and away from your ad space. Third, do you have the money to persue the millions of people who have downloaded your pdf "for free"? No, the best you can do is pick a leaf out of the woods.

    So what do you do?

    1) Forget everything you know about publishing a magazine. Literally none of it applies to the arena of the internet.
    2) Look at existing companies that turn a profit. Like Google. Many people wrongly think Google make money by selling ad space. They don't. They sell user profiles. They collect every bit of data, mine it and compile profiles on every angle they can think of. When you know within a few dozen metres to the millisecond who is currently using the internet to learn about dark chocolate covered digestive biscuits that are on offer with 50% extra free... well you can charge biscuit companies a fortune for that information. How much do you think Google charges to compile a report on your target demographic? Just think about it.
    3) Information is consumed differently on a web page to how it is consumed on a piece of paper. For a start pages are viewed in all kinds of formats from your tiny phone screen, to a monitor on a desk, to a snippet headline on someone's twitter feed or facebook wall. PDF is fine if all you're doing is sending it to a printing press but it is terrible if you want your content to look good on every consumable medium there is. The Bible on this subject is a book called "Don't make me think". Go and buy it now.
    4) Your unit of sale can no longer be a monthly bundle of stories contained in a paper ensemble. On the internet, your unit of sale is page hits and landing page conversions. You need to make it easy for people to get to a specific article. They need a link that takes them directly to that article that is easy to copy and share. They need buttons that enable them to share it on twitter or facebook or whatever. The more people linking to you, the less people that will be linking to someone who has copied your content. Your landing page should make it easy to drill down to a specific article. The easier you make it for the user, the less they have to work for it or think about it, the quicker and more often they'll be viewing your article AND your ad space. So you want to release your articles in a way that generates maximum repeated traffic.
    5) Hire someone full-time and on professional level pay to manage your social media. They will get you a twitter and a facebook and a blog and a forum and some box of magic and they will get people to follow a link to your articles and to your ad space. It's a real job.
    6) Forget about the people who take your content for free. Literally forget about them. They aren't worth your time and money. The film idustry would have us believe they would have made x billion dollars more last year if every person who pirated their movies had paid for them. But the truth is the people who "pirated" the movie we're never going to pay for it no matter what the circumstances wer

  84. Deposit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watermark each copy of each article and take a $50* deposit for a subscription. If the watermarked copy is found in the wild, keep the money and close their account. The watermarking doesn't have to be unbreakable, just tough enough that it costs more than $50 to remove.

    The company will not leak their article into the wild for just $50.
    No pirate will pay $50 per day to keep the magazine free for all to access.
    People paying a monthly subscription to a magazine will not mind the $50 deposit.

    *The figure of $50 should be scaled so that all three of the above consequences ring true.

  85. Answer Stupid question: Make it competitive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As mentioned in comments above, you make it compete with the free stuff.

    If there is anything to learn from the current state of "piracy issue" (yes I intended to use apostrophes) it's that you fight it with good content, reasonable prices and with simple ways of paying for the product/service

  86. Put in some basic effort but... by umask077 · · Score: 1

    Look. Pirates are smart, Not all of them but enough of them, No matter what you do someone will figure out how to pirate it. You need to figure out at what point antipiracy stuff costs you more then the piracy but there is always a point.

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  87. Wrong question by az1324 · · Score: 2

    Content distribution should not be part of a modern business model. Like it or not, you have to compete in distribution with piracy. The question should be: Can I distribute my content for free and still generate revenue? The answer lies in some of the following possibilities:
    1. Subsidize the creation of the content through syndication, sponsorship
    2. Monetize the consumption of the content (ads)
    3. Value added products/services which are hard to copy
    4. Add intangible value through community, zeitgeist

    You still have to compete on the content itself and there is not much scarcity in that market. As some other comments mentioned, format is increasingly important. A 50+ page magazine can psychologically daunting compared to a stream of content which can be check and "finished" several times a day. The latter also results in repeat engagement opportunities. Something like ESPN insider may be good to examine.

    The fact that the content industry is evolving and requires innovation for survival is a good thing.

  88. I was also involved in this - I have sobering news by SinisterRainbow · · Score: 1

    This turned really long, but I believe it will be quite helpful. It has 4 themes: 1) Realizing what is happening, 2) what you are going to lose, 3) why this is happening and 4) at least one suggestion to turn it around.

    I was also involved heavily in this industry, there's no two ways about it, you have to realize this isn't 'business as usual' any longer. The Internet is a revolution from print just as cars were from horses. Print won't be around a decade longer, and it's only embraced by those who still remember the old ways. Kids don't even bother, and older people are getting worse eye sight :)

    If you don't adapt, you'll die. Frankly, you have already adapted too slowly. I think a lot of us sit back in amusement or get steamed about how slowly media is adapting to our wants.

    While I understand the pain of such a brutal change, believe me, I made my money in media as well then went to nothing.. I had plenty of time to think about it, Even while I tried to adapt as my sales hit around 50%, it was still way too slow. (Mine died in 2 years, stopped making money in 4-5, but basically dead within 2)

    As soon as the Internet was developed, you should have been trying to get on it, as should have I more-so. Now you're so far behind you are basically asking how to keep your old customers, and the Internet won't matter much. Time is doing pay for their mags and get online free which is fine, but they are still struggling getting new subscribers. For new customers, you need a whole new business model. They have grown up with free information, and 'worse', the belief that information ought to be free. If it is just information that is. What can you bring them they want to pay for? it won't be opinions and reports. They get that for free now, how will you convince them your opinions and reports are worth paying money for (and even a bigger stretch, worth paying what you previously had expected people to pay!)? You yourself can see everyone else adapting slowly but still dying. They aren't asking the right questions. They aren't seeing how the Internet is revolutionizing the world and how to contribute to it. You know you're dead when you're not trying to figure out your customers anymore, and instead stuck in the mindset of how do we 'make people stay with us'. We come from evolution, we either help progress the 'field' or we die. For some periods of time sure we can gain a foothold on the market with one innovation, but all innovations come to and end. Media had a really long run, they were the very few who were able to just do the same thing over and over again and in the process completely forgot how to innovate.

    This is just how it is, there's no incentive to know what's going on anymore as in old times - the internet is truly making people more individuals. They don't care what you or I think is cool, they care only about their peers and their interests. This is why media is evolving into Niche markets.

    Print is already dead in younger generations, and they are paying customers next year.The internet wasn't on until I was in college, and it was an instant sell to everyone in my age group. No one had to tell us, we all knew it and saw it's potential (hence the dot com boom). Cloaked in this revolution of information, are several residual effects, for example, water cooler talk has changed. It's not Seinfeld against Friends any longer, it's Game of Thrones -vs- Kardashians -vs- X-Games -vs- 1000 other programs.. I'm sure Radio stations wondered what they were going to do when TV started broadcasting. Some realized they must be on TV. But this is even potentially a bad analogy, as radio still has a use to exist (though an *incredibly* diminished one). Print media really does not. Before e-readers, yes, because it wasn't as easy to read, but with e-readers and with the growing problem of waste, storing heavy books, shipping times, environmentally friendlier (which will only get friendlier and friendlier as population grows and resources decline), etc,

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  89. Simple by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

    There are 2 types of pirates:
    1. Those that pirate for convenience.
    2. Those that pirate because they don't want to pay.

    #2 you don't have to worry about. They never would have bought your magazine anyway. The fact that they get it for free likely is actually good for you in that it's free advertizing.

    #1 on the other hand just want it easy to get. So you just have to make it easier than downloading the torrent and uploading it to their tablet. Lucky for you, that's a pain in the ass. Make an android/apple app that gives you half the magazine for free, then wants you to pay for the rest. (or some other configuration like that) Also there are apps out there that allow broad subscriptions. They have lots of magazines in them and you just pick what you want to read. Then they pass on a portion of the subscription to the publisher... this is likely the easiest route for a small company.

  90. Moving Goalposts. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nah.

    The best approach for dealing with piracy is making your content easily accessible, hassle-free (i.e., no DRM), and offered at a fair price.

    That would be nice if all three weren't such moving goalposts.

  91. Make it a view only PDF like Scribd by ajyand · · Score: 0

    Make it a view only PDF displayed through a custom client side flash application. The application will show a preview to non-subscribers and full document to subscribers. Since you rely on customers' hardware for final presentation, piracy can never be avoided completely. However it will be substantially minimized and pirated version will not be as attractive, convenient and flavory as the original.

  92. How to avoid piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Load your ship with plenty of cannon.

    It was a great PR coup for the media conglomerates to manage to equate in the minds of the masses unapproved compying with violent robbery at sea—which often resulted in deaths, maiming, taking captives as slaves, and other barbaric acts. Don't help them out with their hype.

  93. Reason why fair pricing wins by Camael · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The best approach for dealing with piracy is making your content easily accessible, hassle-free (i.e., no DRM), and offered at a fair price.

    Let me expand on this point. There are broadly 2 kinds of pirates - those who enjoy your product and pirate for personal use (the fans), and those who pirate commercially to make money for themselves (the thieves).

    The fans are normally concerned with easy and cheap access to your product. Give it to them and most fans will not bother to pirate because it is risky (exposure to malware), often time consuming (some obscure products can be really hard to find), inconvenient (usually need to assemble from multiple sources) or require technical expertise (eg. applying cracks, rooting). A good example would be Steam which provides cheap and convenient access to games. A counter example would be Game of Thrones - If you live in Oz, you can't get it (no access) and it is expensive (requires cable subscription).

    As for the thieves, normally an obscure small technical magazine would not be of interest to them. The exception is if your product is so expensive that even your fans are willing to buy copies from pirates, making it financially worthwhile. Again, reducing your product to a fair price (by market standards) will largely solve this problem. One example is AutoCAD, which has a captive market, ridiculous monopoly pricing and a huge piracy problem.

    Since you mentioned "secure", I assume you are contemplating some form of DRM. Just be aware of its disadvantages -its usually expensive (you need to buy/licence the DRM, maintain some way of policing it, maintain customer service to handle irate buyers, have some sort of refund sceheme for customers who cannot run the DRM), it can negatively impact sales (see Sony rootkits), and if badly implemented, can actually cause lawsuits e.g. SecureROM.

    1. Re:Reason why fair pricing wins by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      One example is AutoCAD, which has a captive market, ridiculous monopoly pricing and a huge piracy problem.

      It's not really a "problem". Any legit businesses outside of China will just buy it, and anyone else they presumably don't care about since they don't offer a cheaper cut-down version for that market. They are not losing anything because all the people pirating it wouldn't pay if they were forced to, they would just do without.

      Similarly the OP should not worry about some level of piracy. There are always going to be people who won't pay and they are not your customers anyway.

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  94. Pirates? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How dare those people desire to learn without paying you!

  95. So let me get this straight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You don't want people to get your information for free.

    And you came here and asked people to tell you for free... how to keep others from getting YOUR information for free?

    Holy fuck... Thats some epic hypocrite right there.

    If you wan't help securing your information so everyone has to pay for it... YOU SHOULD PAY FOR THAT! Not come here and ask us for free...

    You want my ideas? PAY ME. No? Fuck me? Well... Same to you buddy.

    You either embrace the paying for everything and embrace only profits for everyone. or you embrace free and take the piracy hit.

    Your attitude suggests tho you want the best of both worlds. You douche.

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  97. there's an app for that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are some apps who bascially do what you need. For example PadPublisher (http://www.padpublisher.com).

  98. More advertising by clickclickdrone · · Score: 1

    I've worked in the magazine industry before and basically, your advertising should cover all costs. Subs etc are just icing on the cake. Out the things our DRM free and concentrate on raising ad revenue.

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  99. Of hurdles and loyalty... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've only ever had two online subscriptions: Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar and LWN. Both trust their regular readers enough to distribute without hurdles. As soon as there are hurdles, though, you will lose. For example, I dropped Circuit Cellar cold when the annual subscription renewal came about. I found that my one email address was hardwired to a since closed credit card. The site simply had no method for updating credit card info. One tiny hurdle resulted in another lost customer. Can you afford that? How much are you willing to lose to test your subscriber's loyalty?

  100. iTunes? by kinarduk · · Score: 1

    You could deliver the content via iTunes. Sure it has DRM, but it's not very obtrusive, there's plenty of evidence showing people paying for content through the iTunes store. You'll have to give up 30% to apple however.

  101. Wrong Question. by cheetah_spottycat · · Score: 1

    You could as well ask "how to deliver a vinyl record online while avoiding piracy". The answer is simple: If you want your business to survive, you don't. You should rather develop a new product that actually makes sense on the medium you are about to move your business to.

  102. Terms of service by twisteddk · · Score: 1

    It's called terms of service.
    Simply put in the terms of service, that if you distribute your copy to more than 2-3 people or computers or whatever (or however many seems reasonable to share with), then this invalidates your terms of service, which will be cancelled, unless you want to pay for these extra copies. This is pretty common practice many places I've seen, and can often lead to added sales for legit users

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  103. Out of curiosity by SigmundFloyd · · Score: 1

    What was your magazine's stance on piracy, before it affected you?

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    Knowledge is power; knowledge shared is power lost.
  104. Hidden Pixels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Add a hidden patern of pixels, specific to each customer into the book, at a location that only the company knows about, different in every issue. If you find a copy online, you can find which customer it belongs to and stop their subscription.

  105. If they can read it on their screen.... by REALMAN · · Score: 1

    If they can read it on their screen then they can pirate it. You're wasting your time

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  106. Build a loyal readership by Highland+Deck+Box · · Score: 1

    Who *want* to pay for your magazine because you put out quality, incisive and interesting journalism. People will always be able to pirate or share stuff available online, but if you build a good sized readership who like your output enough to pay for it, that won't matter. www.nsfwcorp.com is a great example, they do brilliant investigative reporting with some brilliant writers and are just all around great. Subscription is currently $3 a month for online and $7 a month for print and online. They also have a cool little feature where subscribers can "unlock" a piece for 48 hours with a link, great for passing around Twitter and building awareness and audience.

  107. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds good. You should do the same with your work. There are lots of people competing for jobs, so you should just show up and work for free, and if someone wants to make a donation to you, great.

    I don't know about you, but I don't get continuously paid for work I've done last year as the company I work for sells the software I've helped write. It's a very different thing to work for hire. The company assumes all the risk, and in exchange I don't have a copyright on what I've written. That means I get paid whether or not they manage to find a winning business model, which could very well be giving it away for free in exchange for donations. I wouldn't give a shit.

    The work I do on the side, at home, I actually do give away under an open source license. Not many people care about it, but it's available.

  108. You can't by WillyWanker · · Score: 1

    And you'll be better off in the long run if you don't try. Price your online edition accordingly and provide a great product and people will buy it. Focus on them, as they are your customers, and forget about all the others. Continuing to see pirated copies as a loss of income is not only counterproductive and futile, but grossly inaccurate.

  109. For one, stop calling it "piracy" by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 1

    Pirates actually exist and are people who steal cargo, take hostages and murder people. Unauthorised distribution has nothing to do with piracy. Please stop calling it that, you're playing into the hands of the content industry who want to make it sound scarier than it is.

  110. Also, do NOT charge and add Advertisements. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When it comes to the internet, often publishers think their old "print" model works. No. The internet is not print.

    Instead it is like TV.

    That is, people will happily accept free content filled with advertisements - like NBC, CBS, TBS, TNT, Comedy Central, etc.

    And people will happily pay for premium content WITHOUT advertisements - like Showtime, HBO, etc.

    But the majority of people will refuse to use your service if you charge money AND fill the show with advertisement. That is people won't pay for HBO and also accept advertisements.

    The reason is simple.

    The internet is an active environment and advertisements tend to make full use of it. This is very annoying. It is barely acceptable when you are looking at free content, but when you have paid even $1 a month and some obnoxious rude pop up/pop over comes up - or even just a sudden NOISE of something you were not expecting, or any of the thousand other crap people do on the internet ads, it sticks in people's craw.

    You can probably get by with the original ads in the print version. But that means no movement, no sound, and absolutely nothing you have to click "x" in the corner to get rid of.

    As for your original question - Decide on whether you want robots to crawl your stuff or not. Don't just ignore the situation. If you allow them to crawl, it may increase your site searches and links to it, but it will also increase piracy.

  111. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by lamplighter · · Score: 1

    I think you've just described internships.

  112. Wow by rhyous · · Score: 1

    Wow. Your magizine is pirated and posted around the world for you? I hope you have good ads and links in your articles so you can take advantage of all that free advertising.

  113. Why worry? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I subscribe to more than two dozen digital magazines, most of them science and engineering journals. Inevitably I never read the online digital versions and delete the emails. I still read every magazine I get in print. The only value of a digital magazine is that it is much easier to find as a future reference while doing research. I never read them when they come out. I find all online magazine formats to be awkward and hard to read- if I do read them I print them first. Your concern about piracy seems misplaced- your real concern is that if you go to digital versions will you become functionally obsolete and lose engaged readership? Passing a good article around is just as easy with a copy machine or a print version as it is with a computer. This is one reason I prefer print- I can share it legally.

  114. The real problem is wasting your time on piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the real enemy is obscurity.

  115. first understand this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people downloading your mag for free would likely pay if your mag was delivered in the way they desire... and at the value they perceive your product has.

    The first thing you do to cut down on piracy is to make sure your price and market value are very close. The second thing you do is make sure you are delivering the content in as easy and accessible way possible.

    If you make your product too expensive (remember you set the price, the market sets the value) or make getting to it difficult or cumbersome... you will facilitate MORE piracy not less.

    And remember. There is a small percent that feel entitled to your work for free and will give it way. There are no sure methods that deny these pirates your work. Do too much to prevent them and you run the risk of facilitating more piracy.

    Finally... use the DMCA notice when you can. Hire a lawyer to craft a good Cease and Desist notice.

  116. My wife? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife is not the issue here!

  117. You can try changing your business model slightly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you create the option for a free subscription, you can include those subscriptions as part of your subscription numbers for the purposes of pricing advertisements. If you have 10,000 official subscribers, and 200,000 unofficial readers because of this 'piracy', then your ad rates are based on the 10,000 official subscribers. Create the reason for 200K more 'official' readers, and you can now increase your ad rates, which should offset the loss of subscription revenue.

    Most revenue for periodicals tends to come from advertisements anyways, so this loss should be more than offset by the ad revenue increase.

  118. Re:Flexpaper, CloudCrowd, or other third party too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Works fairly well for waiters (okay, so they're not showing up to work for free...they're showing up to work for $2/hr).

  119. Piracy is a propaganda myth by guinea+pig+C · · Score: 1

    "the electronic version is quickly pirated and easily available around the world each month." Your magazine is not being pirated, it is being made available to those who, due to unfortunate geography or those for whom you do not provide payment options, could not previously have access. This is an opportunity for you to reach out and convert a much larger readership rather than villify them as criminals. This is very good free advertising for and should be embraced and leveraged. It is good thing that you were too cowardly to post the details of your magazine, as you would have had many cancelled subscriptions due to your arrogant attitude, and your accusing filesharers of being pirates.

  120. A Random Opinion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preventing piracy is a fool's errand. It's possible to eliminate shoplifting, but stores choose to count it as an expense -- sales lost to over aggressive security policies would cost more.

    To be candid, the only thing that has reduced my piracy is back story. It's easy to see something devoid of time and space; just a thing they're trying to exploit for as much money as possible. When you see the blood, sweat, and tears that goes into small profit margins... Then it feels more than a fair trade.

  121. Value add by Tyr07 · · Score: 1

    You'll need to add some sort of value to make it worth while for people to subscribe beyond just being able to read it online.
    Although people subscribe to newspapers etc so they can read it as it comes out, many people will wait to read it in a local
    coffee shop or other means without paying additional fees for it.

    It's a problem that the music industry is running into. Originally people would borrow their friends tapes, a few would make copies, but
    often they would just borrow it and return it. Then they saw software licenses and they got all glossy eyed with cash signs.
    "What if, we could make it so every person had to pay to listen to it personally as a license, instead of sharing hard copies!
    We can move it from a you purchased this physical thing to a license!"

    This was bad. It would be like if you bought your car, paid it in full, and then you gave it to your kid, and you were arrested as you only you
    have a license to own and operate that vehicle. That your kid had to purchase their own licensed copy of that vehicle, and you cannot resell yours.

    So there will definitely be copies of your magazine around. The only real way is creating a system to reward loyal subscribers.

  122. ORSAI Model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are different emerging ways to handle this. I will tell you about one of them: http://editorialorsai.com/revista/

    Revista Orsai (Orsai Magazine) is a subscription based Magazine.

    We, the subscribers, pay each year, in advance, USD100 in order to fund and receive the next year issues. There are six issues per year.

    As soon as an issue is printed, the magazine is posted for FREE on the web, in a non DRM PDF.

    I don't care. I'm glad that I help this magazine to exist, and to create and or curate a lot of great content. And I like the printed version, great quality.

    I own a lot of devices, iPhone, iPad, Kindle, but this magazine takes me to another place. I love to receive it printed.

    But I also love that every time I read something interesting, I can download it from the web and post it on facebook, or send it to my friends. With no hassle, no fear, no restrictions.