I've read plenty of books where nothing happened, but full of a lot of writing. Ender's Game wasn't one of those. I mean, a lot happened, but obviously it is stuff that doesn't interest you or goes over your head. What's an example of a book you enjoy, a book where "stuff happens?" Something with lots of explosions, space battles and sex scenes? Just curious.
Personally, I find it kind of ironic because again, we're at that "hate the sin; love the sinner" situation, albeit from an opposite side. Just because Card wrote those books, do people who now dislike Card have to hate the books?
Maybe, kinda, sorta ironic. You'd have to assume a couple things, and both of which you might if you are Christian:
1. You'd have to assume that the people who dislike Card for this reason are Christian, and following the same "hate the sin, not the sinner" philosphy. I, on the other hand, don't have a problem disliking someone who has a big interest in oppressing me or mine. To each his own, I suppose.
2. You'd also have to assume that homosexuality is a choice, something arrived at through thought, in the same way that it is for Card to employ his brain to come to the conclusion that he thinks homosexuality is a disease, that homosexual sex is worthy of punishment [1], etc.
[1] though, the LDS is a lot lighter on queer peeps on this. the LDS, unlike more mainstream Catholic or Protestant churches, believes in multiple levels of "hell" in the afterlife; the one most Christians talk about most of the time is reserved only for the truly evil- Hitler, etc. Otherwise, it isn't too bad.
That's what I was thinking. With Bonzo, he could start beating him, maybe punching him toward the right while the camera panned left and maybe sat for a second looking at a white tile wall, shower spout still on, room steaming, and some of Bonzo's blood on the wall.
I'm with you man. That said, I do think the murders were a bit psychopathic and haunted Ender, though less than the killing of the Buggers did, for his life. And I certainly got that message from Card, I don't think he covered it up like the grandparent thinks. *shrug*
Maybe I'm just naive, but I didn't notice any homophobia in the book. Then again, I come from a country- like the author- where "bugger" doesn't mean hole-bungler, etc. It hadn't occured to me that "Bugger", at least as far as the book, could be taken so- i knew it was slang though. If the species were called the "Flaming Fags" I might notice that, though some Brit might think that it's about flaming cigs. *shrug*
I don't know enough about ZMag's specific views, I don't think they have a "party line" per se, but they do espouse direct democracy, worker control and participatory economics. However, these things do not preclude the idea of money. It's not a matter of the country (or some other political unit) votes on what "you receive," and then everyone in the coutnry recieves the same ration of butter, milk, jeans, red shirts, blue shirts, green shirts, black sweaters, blue sweaters, one new tire for your car each year, etc. Generally, though I've not read ZMag all that much or for all that long, I would say they generally espouse a system of parecon and direct democracy, but with a market system. There is no rule that says in a socialist, communist or anarchist society that no one gets paid; or that everyone automatically gets paid the same amount, reguardless of the type of work or amount of work - or even if any work is done, but that is a common misconception. I don't know how an individualist like yourself, RMS or myself would have it especially hard. Unless by "individualist" you mean someone who, through exploitation, manages to acquire wealth far beyond what work they've done to obtain it, perhaps to buy a 100 million USD house, or built their own Neverland Ranch, etc. Those sorts of excesses would generally be beyond reach, at least outside of the setting where a group of folks had access to it.
I do listen to a lot of the BBC for my news, so I do have a perspective of the US from the non-US point of view. However, as a result, I could tell you more about the idea of the Labor Party, the Libdems and the Tories in the UK than I could about Canadian parties.
The other pain in the rear is that "liberal" means something quite different in the US than what it does in the rest of the world. In the US, it means left centrism, welfare state, "Norway is liberal," etc.
Extreme right? Odd. Hitler originated from the social workers party (NSDAP)...
This is either a really bad joke or a display of ignorance the level of which shakes even Slashdot's tradition of Excellence in Ignorance to its very foundation.
Don't worry man, I'm with you. Anyone else interested in the fascinating truth, check out "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." Sort of the defacto history on the subject.
The US was meant, from the beginning, to be a bourgeois democracy, rather than something closer to a true democracy. I think it was James Madison or Alexander Hamilton who said "those who own the country should rule it. That is what we have here now, and have had since the beginning. Even those who would usually balk at reading something from a self-described leftist should at least read the beginning of Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States," which for me fortunately or unfortuantely blew away all of my propagandistic ideas that the "founders" were libertarian idealists.
Even more so, the DPRK (North Korea) is fascism in sort of red clothes. Any idiot that thinks that the DPRK is socialist has been smoking way too much Chinese opium.
No worries man, I'm with you. I consider myself to be on the libertarian radical left, but even I would say that the Bush Administration isn't fascist. The key feature a fascist regime is coercion of the population through force, the US (generally) lacks this. The bourgeois democracy exerts control primarily through propaganda. The US still has mostly free elections, more so than it did through a lot of its past.
Admitting that Bush isn't a fascist doesn't mean you believe in him. Maybe if I'm lucky some schmuck will tell *me* I'm a Bush supporter.
Funny comment, I suck. Thank you for playing, and have a great day!
Though, there are plenty of Marxists out there who don't believe in a nationalized economy, at least not in the sense that the state owns everything... but still, your comment ruled. when I figured it out...;P
I'll admit to being somewhat puzzled... Not because I didn't know he was refering to Canada's Liberal party, but I guess I don't know the difference. The Liberal party seems to be close enough to the Democrats in the US, but evidentally that's not the case? Or rather, RMS, like many liberals, doesn't really feel that the Democrats represent him either. Maybe that's the point, in a sneaky way, but I doubt it. Insight?
Yes, generally you would capitalist Marxism. You would not capitalize (I write "capitalist" first, heh) socialism, anarchism, libertarian, communism, etc, unless if was in reference to a specific party. While I made this mistake in a post in this thread, another great (and contentious) example is Randism, the minarchist capitalist ideal of the followers of Ayn Rand.
He's completely ignoring the fact that without "business power", there'd be no cheap computers for his software to run on, there'd be nobody to pay for him to speak, and we'd be living in a society in which "free software" would not even be feasable. He spits in the face of all of the businesses that are allowing him to live his free lifestyle. He simply doesn't have a leg to stand on.
What a BS argument. Next, you'll be saying "if you don't like the US, leave it! Go live in North Korea!" Or: "How can you be an anarchist/socialist/council communist if you life in the USA? You have to thank our exploitation of the world to thank for those cheap McD's hamburgers you're eating!"
In the interview, he never said he disliked business, simply global business power. The idea that a company could exist across most of the world, perhaps as a monopoly, with the ability to do and effect far more than your petshop. Global business power means a new global government; your petshop doesn't have power of life or death over the dogs and cats in your area- if you choose not to sell food, people will get it somewhere. Maybe they won't have the gourmet stuff you sell at the grocery store, but that isn't really power. There are companies today, and only the chance for more with the way things are going, that quite literally hold the power of life or death over human beings. Whether its through being the only employer in the area or the only outlet of food.
I'm sorry, but this randist idea that "markets balance all" is bullshit. RMS is at least standing on his bloody stump.
By your definition, Java certainly isn't an example of the "innovation" of which you speak. Java is little more than C++, cleaned up and with a garbage collector, which the idea of a VM taken from Smalltalk, Pascal p-code, etc. It's far from revolutionary.
You can see that he appreciates the freedom he had to do this, even at great personal cost. I do not think he would be happy under a Communist tyranny.
Nor would the vast majority of the readers, writers, and editors of ZMag. Point?
Contrary to both the propaganda of the so-called communist countries and the bourgeois democracies, there aren't just three choices- bourgeois democracy, fascism or a rightist communist dictatorship.
I remember telling my girlfriend about E' after I read RAW's "Quantum Psychology," explaining to her the gist of it. She was like "Huh. So, you wouldn't say that I love you with all of my heart, eh? Just sombunall of it?" Kinda killed that experiment. heh eh.
like the subject says- what about those devices with no CSS support? they're around enough, not all that rare. not everyone has a brand-new Microsoft Smartphone/WM5 phone, with the closer-to-desktop browser, or NetFront, which is even better. All that fancy CSS might look great in a 200x160 sized window on your desktop in trying to emulate a wireless device, but with those non-CSS devices out there it might just look like crap.
As a very proud far Northerner, I can't tell you how funny I find it that someone from Kentucky would rebel against their family by listening to country music. You're killing me, man! I get from the post that Ashland is some richville, but I wouldn't guess that Eden Prarie, MN has any more signifigance than Ashland, KY does to me.:P But thanks for the laugh!:)
Hey, this is in response to your sig, which states "Apple Valley, MN." Just wanted to say ahoy! from someone who grew up in Apple Valley. I live up north in Duluth now, which suits me much, much better. Just out of curiousity, do you work in town or do you have to drive out into the cities or into another zone of the TC burbs?
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I've read plenty of books where nothing happened, but full of a lot of writing. Ender's Game wasn't one of those. I mean, a lot happened, but obviously it is stuff that doesn't interest you or goes over your head. What's an example of a book you enjoy, a book where "stuff happens?" Something with lots of explosions, space battles and sex scenes? Just curious.
And then there's Smalltalk, a language that was also well planned, well designed, with both theoretical and practical aspects in mind.
Smalltalk belongs in that list you site- ML, Prolog, Lisp. Especially notable because Smalltalk is where Java gets most of its features.
Personally, I find it kind of ironic because again, we're at that "hate the sin; love the sinner" situation, albeit from an opposite side. Just because Card wrote those books, do people who now dislike Card have to hate the books?
Maybe, kinda, sorta ironic. You'd have to assume a couple things, and both of which you might if you are Christian:
1. You'd have to assume that the people who dislike Card for this reason are Christian, and following the same "hate the sin, not the sinner" philosphy. I, on the other hand, don't have a problem disliking someone who has a big interest in oppressing me or mine. To each his own, I suppose.
2. You'd also have to assume that homosexuality is a choice, something arrived at through thought, in the same way that it is for Card to employ his brain to come to the conclusion that he thinks homosexuality is a disease, that homosexual sex is worthy of punishment [1], etc.
[1] though, the LDS is a lot lighter on queer peeps on this. the LDS, unlike more mainstream Catholic or Protestant churches, believes in multiple levels of "hell" in the afterlife; the one most Christians talk about most of the time is reserved only for the truly evil- Hitler, etc. Otherwise, it isn't too bad.
That's what I was thinking. With Bonzo, he could start beating him, maybe punching him toward the right while the camera panned left and maybe sat for a second looking at a white tile wall, shower spout still on, room steaming, and some of Bonzo's blood on the wall.
just an idea that popped into my head.
I'm with you man. That said, I do think the murders were a bit psychopathic and haunted Ender, though less than the killing of the Buggers did, for his life. And I certainly got that message from Card, I don't think he covered it up like the grandparent thinks. *shrug*
Maybe I'm just naive, but I didn't notice any homophobia in the book. Then again, I come from a country- like the author- where "bugger" doesn't mean hole-bungler, etc. It hadn't occured to me that "Bugger", at least as far as the book, could be taken so- i knew it was slang though. If the species were called the "Flaming Fags" I might notice that, though some Brit might think that it's about flaming cigs. *shrug*
I don't know enough about ZMag's specific views, I don't think they have a "party line" per se, but they do espouse direct democracy, worker control and participatory economics. However, these things do not preclude the idea of money. It's not a matter of the country (or some other political unit) votes on what "you receive," and then everyone in the coutnry recieves the same ration of butter, milk, jeans, red shirts, blue shirts, green shirts, black sweaters, blue sweaters, one new tire for your car each year, etc. Generally, though I've not read ZMag all that much or for all that long, I would say they generally espouse a system of parecon and direct democracy, but with a market system. There is no rule that says in a socialist, communist or anarchist society that no one gets paid; or that everyone automatically gets paid the same amount, reguardless of the type of work or amount of work - or even if any work is done, but that is a common misconception. I don't know how an individualist like yourself, RMS or myself would have it especially hard. Unless by "individualist" you mean someone who, through exploitation, manages to acquire wealth far beyond what work they've done to obtain it, perhaps to buy a 100 million USD house, or built their own Neverland Ranch, etc. Those sorts of excesses would generally be beyond reach, at least outside of the setting where a group of folks had access to it.
Hope that clarifies it somewhat.
I do listen to a lot of the BBC for my news, so I do have a perspective of the US from the non-US point of view. However, as a result, I could tell you more about the idea of the Labor Party, the Libdems and the Tories in the UK than I could about Canadian parties.
The other pain in the rear is that "liberal" means something quite different in the US than what it does in the rest of the world. In the US, it means left centrism, welfare state, "Norway is liberal," etc.
Thanks!
Extreme right? Odd. Hitler originated from the social workers party (NSDAP)...
This is either a really bad joke or a display of ignorance the level of which shakes even Slashdot's tradition of Excellence in Ignorance to its very foundation.
Don't worry man, I'm with you. Anyone else interested in the fascinating truth, check out "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." Sort of the defacto history on the subject.
The US was meant, from the beginning, to be a bourgeois democracy, rather than something closer to a true democracy. I think it was James Madison or Alexander Hamilton who said "those who own the country should rule it. That is what we have here now, and have had since the beginning. Even those who would usually balk at reading something from a self-described leftist should at least read the beginning of Howard Zinn's "A People's History of the United States," which for me fortunately or unfortuantely blew away all of my propagandistic ideas that the "founders" were libertarian idealists.
Even more so, the DPRK (North Korea) is fascism in sort of red clothes. Any idiot that thinks that the DPRK is socialist has been smoking way too much Chinese opium.
No worries man, I'm with you. I consider myself to be on the libertarian radical left, but even I would say that the Bush Administration isn't fascist. The key feature a fascist regime is coercion of the population through force, the US (generally) lacks this. The bourgeois democracy exerts control primarily through propaganda. The US still has mostly free elections, more so than it did through a lot of its past.
Admitting that Bush isn't a fascist doesn't mean you believe in him. Maybe if I'm lucky some schmuck will tell *me* I'm a Bush supporter.
I quit.
;P
Funny comment, I suck. Thank you for playing, and have a great day!
Though, there are plenty of Marxists out there who don't believe in a nationalized economy, at least not in the sense that the state owns everything... but still, your comment ruled. when I figured it out...
I'll admit to being somewhat puzzled... Not because I didn't know he was refering to Canada's Liberal party, but I guess I don't know the difference. The Liberal party seems to be close enough to the Democrats in the US, but evidentally that's not the case? Or rather, RMS, like many liberals, doesn't really feel that the Democrats represent him either. Maybe that's the point, in a sneaky way, but I doubt it. Insight?
Yes, generally you would capitalist Marxism. You would not capitalize (I write "capitalist" first, heh) socialism, anarchism, libertarian, communism, etc, unless if was in reference to a specific party. While I made this mistake in a post in this thread, another great (and contentious) example is Randism, the minarchist capitalist ideal of the followers of Ayn Rand.
He's completely ignoring the fact that without "business power", there'd be no cheap computers for his software to run on, there'd be nobody to pay for him to speak, and we'd be living in a society in which "free software" would not even be feasable. He spits in the face of all of the businesses that are allowing him to live his free lifestyle. He simply doesn't have a leg to stand on.
What a BS argument. Next, you'll be saying "if you don't like the US, leave it! Go live in North Korea!" Or: "How can you be an anarchist/socialist/council communist if you life in the USA? You have to thank our exploitation of the world to thank for those cheap McD's hamburgers you're eating!"
In the interview, he never said he disliked business, simply global business power. The idea that a company could exist across most of the world, perhaps as a monopoly, with the ability to do and effect far more than your petshop. Global business power means a new global government; your petshop doesn't have power of life or death over the dogs and cats in your area- if you choose not to sell food, people will get it somewhere. Maybe they won't have the gourmet stuff you sell at the grocery store, but that isn't really power. There are companies today, and only the chance for more with the way things are going, that quite literally hold the power of life or death over human beings. Whether its through being the only employer in the area or the only outlet of food.
I'm sorry, but this randist idea that "markets balance all" is bullshit. RMS is at least standing on his bloody stump.
By your definition, Java certainly isn't an example of the "innovation" of which you speak. Java is little more than C++, cleaned up and with a garbage collector, which the idea of a VM taken from Smalltalk, Pascal p-code, etc. It's far from revolutionary.
You can see that he appreciates the freedom he had to do this, even at great personal cost. I do not think he would be happy under a Communist tyranny.
Nor would the vast majority of the readers, writers, and editors of ZMag. Point?
Contrary to both the propaganda of the so-called communist countries and the bourgeois democracies, there aren't just three choices- bourgeois democracy, fascism or a rightist communist dictatorship.
I remember telling my girlfriend about E' after I read RAW's "Quantum Psychology," explaining to her the gist of it. She was like "Huh. So, you wouldn't say that I love you with all of my heart, eh? Just sombunall of it?" Kinda killed that experiment. heh eh.
In response to your .sig, which reads: "E-Prime is great!"
... that's the JOKE!
Perhaps you mean "I percieve E-Prime to be a great thing?" Or, maybe
like the subject says- what about those devices with no CSS support? they're around enough, not all that rare. not everyone has a brand-new Microsoft Smartphone/WM5 phone, with the closer-to-desktop browser, or NetFront, which is even better. All that fancy CSS might look great in a 200x160 sized window on your desktop in trying to emulate a wireless device, but with those non-CSS devices out there it might just look like crap.
just a thought...
As a very proud far Northerner, I can't tell you how funny I find it that someone from Kentucky would rebel against their family by listening to country music. You're killing me, man! I get from the post that Ashland is some richville, but I wouldn't guess that Eden Prarie, MN has any more signifigance than Ashland, KY does to me. :P But thanks for the laugh! :)
Hey, this is in response to your sig, which states "Apple Valley, MN." Just wanted to say ahoy! from someone who grew up in Apple Valley. I live up north in Duluth now, which suits me much, much better. Just out of curiousity, do you work in town or do you have to drive out into the cities or into another zone of the TC burbs?
Aaron
hahaha!
oh man.
i suck. i know what syrup is, but mr. smarty pants didn't think of anything so fancy as "syrup."
thanks!