Don't get me wrong- I'm as happy as the next guy to blame the world's ills on American Capitalism and the capitalists behind it. But the grandparent is right- where is the data that talks about how safe Stevia is? It may be that the money hasn't been put up in the US or Canada, but there has to be a country somewhere where they done some clinical research- Japan, Germany, the UK, wherever. And if I were going to advocate for Stevia, I guess I'd try to find these studies and get some real data out there instead of just blaming it on International Capitalism. *shrug* Just an idea.
Stevia is legal in the US. So is alcohol. So are plenty of other substances that can be harmful. Your point?
1oz. Citrate of Caffein [...] 30 lbs. Sugar 2 1/2 gal. Water [...]
Yeah, like the man says, DO NOT follow this recipe. Don't just adjust it for personal taste either, but don't do it. At all. There it something quite wrong with this recipe, and it may just be a couple typos, but as it is, you're consuming like 500 mg of caffeine in and 1.5 cups of sugar in each 8 fl.oz. serving. So yeah, that is downright insane. I would advise against chugging down 20 oz of this like you would of that regular coke, especially hard to swallow would be the sludge at the bottom of undissolved sucrose, and the slap in the face and flutter of the heart you'd notice when the 1250 mg of caffeine kicked in.
(For reference, an 8 oz cup of coffee usually has between 50 and 150 mg of caffeine, and a 12 oz can of regular Coca-Cola has 45 mg.)
Also- Mexican Coke? It used to be made with real sugar, but in the last couple years the wording in the ingredient list has changed from "sugar" to like it is on the American code- "sugar and/or high-fructose corn syrup." Which could still mean it was sugar, but there's no way to really know. Even if it is corn syrup and not sugar, the Mexican Coke tastes better, though that could be the fact it comes in a glass bottle, and not the real sugar. But either way, it's available year 'round and it tastes better than the usual cans and bottles of Coke... They have it up here in the Mexican food sections in most of the grocery stores, half-liter bottles. And this is pretty far north: Duluth, MN. Not a town with a huge Mexican immigrant population, but I'm guessing it's large enough make stocking MexiCoke profitable.
I don't know. I don't think I could ever live in Texas. But that Dr Pepper plant is a gift from whatever god(s) may or may not exist, and frankly, is reason enough for Texas to exist. I had a friend who lived down there and on a couple of occasions as a thanks for something sent up a box with 6 bottles- glass bottles- of the real-sugar'd pop from Texas. The Orange Crush is to die for and the Dr Pepper is great too.
The Bush Crime Family has done enough damage. Vote progressive.
Ok, I'll bite... Where are these progressive candidates? I mean nationally, not locally; I am fortunate to live in a town that happens to lead the nation in a Green Party'd city council and other local positions filled with GPers and other actual progressives. But anyone who starts a rant that looks like yours and gets around to telling me I should vote for someone like Kerry or Clinton shouldn't waste their time. Before I go down that path, I have to ask: are those your ideas of my progressive candidate for President?
I read a book by Peter Singer called "One World", where he borrows Thomas Friedman's term "the Golden Straitjacket".
It sounds like fine propaganda work. From your description, the thesis is that the system we have right now is the system that leads to the most prosperity for the most people, forever. That whole "American Dream" thing seems to have worked out for some generations, but it's disappearing fast for most Americans.
It's a nice fantasy, and I don't refute that this "Golden Straightjacket" as defined makes things work out well for some people, very well indeed. But it's not the end point anymore than feudalism was. And back then, you can be sure there were clerics writing books about how their "Golden Straightjacket" was all that seperated the world between a well-ordered and prosperous world, where people knew their place and stayed in it, where those worthy ruled, those who knew about the world taught about it, and those with the authority to speak with god did so. Without this world-condition, you would have chaos, an end to prosperity, anarchy, endless war and downright righteous punishment from the heavens.
Yay! Vote Capitalist Party A, which is so different from Capitalist Party B! They're both parties of the rich, they're both corporate, they're both corrupt, they both have the same incentives and motivations. The Democrats are at least smart enough to pretend otherwise, which I always thought would mean a longer life, more votes, more power, more trust, etc. But in the end, it's all the same crap.
I always thought gaming (RPGing, role playing) wouldn't really be much fun. Especially considering, I'm really not into fantasy at all. I think most of it is cheesy as hell and pretty lame. But I thought "what the hell!" when a friend wanted to initiate me and my also non-rpging girlfriend into the wide world of gaming. I figured it'd be a good way to learn the ropes before I found some other folks to play a less dorky tabletop rpg like the Babylon 5 or Star Wars RPG, or hell even Star Trek or anything else more sci-fi than wizards, elves and orcs.
But, it turns out, gaming is fun, and so far I've found it fun even when the actual subject matter of the fictional universe isn't my thing. I've played some Vampire - The Masquerade and PlaneScape/DND 3.5. Both have been a blast, much to my honest surprise. So, even for you types out there that may think you're "above" the cheesiness of fantasy or even both fantasy and science fiction, give it a chance.
So... yeah. I reccomend trying it. I just hope you don't get spoiled by playing with some anal retentive person who is obsessed about being 100% in character and having every word float past your lips be part of the role play. I know not everyone is in my camp, but I'm of the mind that an activity like gaming should be about fun- the fun of telling a story with a few friends over a few beers, some laughs and some clever tricks- not work or stick-in-butt sort of stuff. To each her own, but for a n00b, try to find someone more light harded.:)
I agree. I wasn't saying that CS folks are as bad as the fundies who want school-mandated prayer (for instance), but refuting the claim that without modern medicine and science that those fundies would die off. Read my post's parent.
It just means that they want irrefutable proof of something before they'll call it a "fact".
A shame, that. I suppose we'll have to through out most of science, I guess. With the exception of the stuff we can see with our naked eyes. Stars? Ha! They are the twinkling eyes of our dead anscestors! Atoms? As if!
Then sit and watch the fallout. Some will bow to self preservation, continue using their medicine and dissapear from public view. Others might actually stop using their drugs. Either way, they are less likely to be a public problem.
You mean like the Christian Science folks? They're still around, still converting and still breeding. So would these theoretical fundamentalist zealots who don't use medicine, unfortunately.
Try future developments in body armor, engineering, acoustics, propulsion and search algorithms on for size. All of those disparate fields have been influenced and guided by cross-polination from bioscience and ignoring or even worse, rejecting a scientific understanding of the world will only hold us back.
Bzzzt. You lose.
You're thinking like a scientist. Rationally. "Enlightened." You have to put yourself in the mindset of a reactionary. Someone who wants us to be held back. Someone who doesn't want the human race to move forward. The issues are plenty- some are obsessed with "race mixing," to whom the idea of a world of pinkish-olive colored skin people is the more abhorrent idea ever. Or, a world where no child was left unloved, where unwanted children were aborted without undue psychological or physiological harm to the pregnant woman. A world where we used stem cells from aborted fetuses to assure long, healthy lives for the people here now, also abhorrent. To many of these people, the human race held back is what they want. Or maybe taken back farther, to some imagined wholesome innocence of 1950s America, a world that happily existed for a percentage of the American population, but only a sliver of the world as a whole, insulated from the "bad" things of society, those things that advancement supposedly brings.
What? c.a.e? Are you saying... you don't trust a bunch of sweaty 15 year olds to give advice on serious embedded coding?
"Hey d00d- why not just write it in Python? Python is am embedded lang, and you can write hard math parts in C no prob mmkay?"
"Stfu! Perl > C anyday."
"I heard you could do embedded stuff in PILOT, with a PILOT interpreter running as a kernel module on Linux.... I know a guy who know a guy who runs Linux, so I would reccomend it holehartedly!!1"
I've tried doing a DD image, with "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=515" as well as using hda1 and hdb2. Both HDs were the same size, etc. But it was taking like 10 hours to do an image, this was a slowish 550 MHz machine, but each HD was on a different IDE interface, they weren't sharing the same. What was I doing wrong? I was booted off of some Linux Live CD, duping Win98.
As far as the capitalist market economy is concerned, there really isn't a difference between cancer drugs and Xboxes. People would make a big stink if Roche or some pharm company created artificial shortages to hype-up their cancer drug, to bring it more into the papers, and for good reason. People's lives could depend on the drug. Supply vs demand- how many people want to go out and buy cancer drugs vs the screaming throngs of suburbanite kids with daddy's money just waiting to go out and score an Xbox 360?
"dictatorship of the proletariat" doesn't use the word "dictatorship" in the same way that those of us who know 20th century history are used to. Using the same meaning, the USA or the UK (for example) are examples of a "dictatorship of the bourgeois," because the bourgeois class is the group of people who control most of the wealth and command most of the power. It has nothing to do with a dictatorship in the sense of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, etc.
Your so-called communist countries never were communist. And not even socialist. None of thost "communist countries" ever claimed to be communist.
When it comes down to it, a socialist economy has nothing to do with sharing in the name of the Greater Good. Fundamentally, it is about getting the true worth of what you produce with your work. Most workers produce goods and services at their jobs, getting paid a wage. That wage is far below the true worth of what they are producing. That results in profit, wealth that is isolated in a small number of pockets, relative to the number of workers who produced that wealth. Socialists believe that the wealth one produces through work should be his; it isn't about throwing it all into a big pot and sharing, giving everyone the same whether or not they contributed, regardless of hours worked or the job they did.
Is that OK in your communist democracy? Is that pricing and production level completely my choice as a free individual?
That depends. Generally, the answer is "yes." Some socialists believe that profit is morally wrong. A lot of others believe that profit isn't morally wrong, but that it shouldn't be isolated within shareholders or owners, when its the employees who were responsible for producing that wealth. So, depending on who you ask, the pricing is your choice- but the idea is that no one would buy from you since you're gouging them, when from someone else they get a more reasonable price. Most socialists believe in economic democracy; so let's say you are an organization with 10 people- employee-owners. You would decide pricing together, through a vote, rather than one person asuming total control (a boss).
There is no State in a communist society. I'm guessing that you're thinking that Big Brother State will tell you how much the Sno Cone should cost and how many you should make.
Well.. Technically, under Marxian socialism and communism, there is democracy. Or rather, there is supposed to be democracy. The crucial difference between a capitalist democracy and a socialist one is that a socialist country adds democracy to the area of the economy, where a capitalist democracy keeps it only within the political arena. Also, most socialists- including Marxian socialists and communists, as well as non-Marxist anarchists- believe in taking democracy further than it has been done within the market democracies.
Even the Soviet Union and other so-called "communist" countries have democracy- it's just sham democracy. As Stalin famously said, the 1936 Soviet constitution was "the most democratic in the world." However, in the Soviet union, as a security measure that was supposed to be temporary, Lenin pushed through the democratic bodies a ban on parties. Parties and "full democracy" was supposed to come back after the civil war, but didn't. I think that's mostly bullshit, but Lenin and Trotsky both had some pretty paternalistic and authoritarian ideas. Something that Marx and Engles never advocated, as well as a lot of other socialist thinkers before Lenin, during the life of the Soviet Union, and after the Fall until today.
Socialism, at least in the form Marx and a lot of other Marxists and anarchists advocated hasn't been tried. Anarchist Spain worked out pretty well, at least during the time they ran their own show before being defated by the fascists. It's not something I expect most folks to understand, but it's always tempting to try to explain.
I agree. I am of the mind that NeXTSTEP and OpenStep were the nicest OSes I've ever used. The GUI was the most elegant, with so many darn handy features.
No, but like I said, Decume is more complicated than Graffiti. But also like I said, I've used it on an ARM clocked at 100 MHz, so I expect the DS to be usable.
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Don't get me wrong- I'm as happy as the next guy to blame the world's ills on American Capitalism and the capitalists behind it. But the grandparent is right- where is the data that talks about how safe Stevia is? It may be that the money hasn't been put up in the US or Canada, but there has to be a country somewhere where they done some clinical research- Japan, Germany, the UK, wherever. And if I were going to advocate for Stevia, I guess I'd try to find these studies and get some real data out there instead of just blaming it on International Capitalism. *shrug* Just an idea.
Stevia is legal in the US. So is alcohol. So are plenty of other substances that can be harmful. Your point?
Yes. Coke in other countries tastes better because it is made with real sugar.
1oz. Citrate of Caffein
[...]
30 lbs. Sugar
2 1/2 gal. Water
[...]
Yeah, like the man says, DO NOT follow this recipe. Don't just adjust it for personal taste either, but don't do it. At all. There it something quite wrong with this recipe, and it may just be a couple typos, but as it is, you're consuming like 500 mg of caffeine in and 1.5 cups of sugar in each 8 fl.oz. serving. So yeah, that is downright insane. I would advise against chugging down 20 oz of this like you would of that regular coke, especially hard to swallow would be the sludge at the bottom of undissolved sucrose, and the slap in the face and flutter of the heart you'd notice when the 1250 mg of caffeine kicked in.
(For reference, an 8 oz cup of coffee usually has between 50 and 150 mg of caffeine, and a 12 oz can of regular Coca-Cola has 45 mg.)
Also- Mexican Coke? It used to be made with real sugar, but in the last couple years the wording in the ingredient list has changed from "sugar" to like it is on the American code- "sugar and/or high-fructose corn syrup." Which could still mean it was sugar, but there's no way to really know. Even if it is corn syrup and not sugar, the Mexican Coke tastes better, though that could be the fact it comes in a glass bottle, and not the real sugar. But either way, it's available year 'round and it tastes better than the usual cans and bottles of Coke... They have it up here in the Mexican food sections in most of the grocery stores, half-liter bottles. And this is pretty far north: Duluth, MN. Not a town with a huge Mexican immigrant population, but I'm guessing it's large enough make stocking MexiCoke profitable.
I don't know. I don't think I could ever live in Texas. But that Dr Pepper plant is a gift from whatever god(s) may or may not exist, and frankly, is reason enough for Texas to exist. I had a friend who lived down there and on a couple of occasions as a thanks for something sent up a box with 6 bottles- glass bottles- of the real-sugar'd pop from Texas. The Orange Crush is to die for and the Dr Pepper is great too.
Alas!
The Bush Crime Family has done enough damage. Vote progressive.
Ok, I'll bite... Where are these progressive candidates? I mean nationally, not locally; I am fortunate to live in a town that happens to lead the nation in a Green Party'd city council and other local positions filled with GPers and other actual progressives. But anyone who starts a rant that looks like yours and gets around to telling me I should vote for someone like Kerry or Clinton shouldn't waste their time. Before I go down that path, I have to ask: are those your ideas of my progressive candidate for President?
I read a book by Peter Singer called "One World", where he borrows Thomas Friedman's term "the Golden Straitjacket".
It sounds like fine propaganda work. From your description, the thesis is that the system we have right now is the system that leads to the most prosperity for the most people, forever. That whole "American Dream" thing seems to have worked out for some generations, but it's disappearing fast for most Americans.
It's a nice fantasy, and I don't refute that this "Golden Straightjacket" as defined makes things work out well for some people, very well indeed. But it's not the end point anymore than feudalism was. And back then, you can be sure there were clerics writing books about how their "Golden Straightjacket" was all that seperated the world between a well-ordered and prosperous world, where people knew their place and stayed in it, where those worthy ruled, those who knew about the world taught about it, and those with the authority to speak with god did so. Without this world-condition, you would have chaos, an end to prosperity, anarchy, endless war and downright righteous punishment from the heavens.
But all the same, reading is a good thing.
Vote Democrat - preserve your consumer rights.
Yay! Vote Capitalist Party A, which is so different from Capitalist Party B! They're both parties of the rich, they're both corporate, they're both corrupt, they both have the same incentives and motivations. The Democrats are at least smart enough to pretend otherwise, which I always thought would mean a longer life, more votes, more power, more trust, etc. But in the end, it's all the same crap.
I always thought gaming (RPGing, role playing) wouldn't really be much fun. Especially considering, I'm really not into fantasy at all. I think most of it is cheesy as hell and pretty lame. But I thought "what the hell!" when a friend wanted to initiate me and my also non-rpging girlfriend into the wide world of gaming. I figured it'd be a good way to learn the ropes before I found some other folks to play a less dorky tabletop rpg like the Babylon 5 or Star Wars RPG, or hell even Star Trek or anything else more sci-fi than wizards, elves and orcs.
:)
But, it turns out, gaming is fun, and so far I've found it fun even when the actual subject matter of the fictional universe isn't my thing. I've played some Vampire - The Masquerade and PlaneScape/DND 3.5. Both have been a blast, much to my honest surprise. So, even for you types out there that may think you're "above" the cheesiness of fantasy or even both fantasy and science fiction, give it a chance.
So... yeah. I reccomend trying it. I just hope you don't get spoiled by playing with some anal retentive person who is obsessed about being 100% in character and having every word float past your lips be part of the role play. I know not everyone is in my camp, but I'm of the mind that an activity like gaming should be about fun- the fun of telling a story with a few friends over a few beers, some laughs and some clever tricks- not work or stick-in-butt sort of stuff. To each her own, but for a n00b, try to find someone more light harded.
I agree. I wasn't saying that CS folks are as bad as the fundies who want school-mandated prayer (for instance), but refuting the claim that without modern medicine and science that those fundies would die off. Read my post's parent.
It just means that they want irrefutable proof of something before they'll call it a "fact".
A shame, that. I suppose we'll have to through out most of science, I guess. With the exception of the stuff we can see with our naked eyes. Stars? Ha! They are the twinkling eyes of our dead anscestors! Atoms? As if!
Then sit and watch the fallout. Some will bow to self preservation, continue using their medicine and dissapear from public view. Others might actually stop using their drugs. Either way, they are less likely to be a public problem.
You mean like the Christian Science folks? They're still around, still converting and still breeding. So would these theoretical fundamentalist zealots who don't use medicine, unfortunately.
Try future developments in body armor, engineering, acoustics, propulsion and search algorithms on for size. All of those disparate fields have been influenced and guided by cross-polination from bioscience and ignoring or even worse, rejecting a scientific understanding of the world will only hold us back.
Bzzzt. You lose.
You're thinking like a scientist. Rationally. "Enlightened." You have to put yourself in the mindset of a reactionary. Someone who wants us to be held back. Someone who doesn't want the human race to move forward. The issues are plenty- some are obsessed with "race mixing," to whom the idea of a world of pinkish-olive colored skin people is the more abhorrent idea ever. Or, a world where no child was left unloved, where unwanted children were aborted without undue psychological or physiological harm to the pregnant woman. A world where we used stem cells from aborted fetuses to assure long, healthy lives for the people here now, also abhorrent. To many of these people, the human race held back is what they want. Or maybe taken back farther, to some imagined wholesome innocence of 1950s America, a world that happily existed for a percentage of the American population, but only a sliver of the world as a whole, insulated from the "bad" things of society, those things that advancement supposedly brings.
Elvish is everwhere.
Elvish is everything.
Elvish is everbody.
Elvish is still the king.
You kill me, J.R.R. Stiller.
(I wonder how many other people recognize your quote?)
Yeah, retarded. Twas a typo. Never did 515, but I did try things between 512 and 1m. Didn't try anything really high like 4m... but thanks!
What? c.a.e? Are you saying... you don't trust a bunch of sweaty 15 year olds to give advice on serious embedded coding?
"Hey d00d- why not just write it in Python? Python is am embedded lang, and you can write hard math parts in C no prob mmkay?"
"Stfu! Perl > C anyday."
"I heard you could do embedded stuff in PILOT, with a PILOT interpreter running as a kernel module on Linux.... I know a guy who know a guy who runs Linux, so I would reccomend it holehartedly!!1"
Where can you get this old free version of Ghost?
I've tried doing a DD image, with "dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=515" as well as using hda1 and hdb2. Both HDs were the same size, etc. But it was taking like 10 hours to do an image, this was a slowish 550 MHz machine, but each HD was on a different IDE interface, they weren't sharing the same. What was I doing wrong? I was booted off of some Linux Live CD, duping Win98.
As far as the capitalist market economy is concerned, there really isn't a difference between cancer drugs and Xboxes. People would make a big stink if Roche or some pharm company created artificial shortages to hype-up their cancer drug, to bring it more into the papers, and for good reason. People's lives could depend on the drug. Supply vs demand- how many people want to go out and buy cancer drugs vs the screaming throngs of suburbanite kids with daddy's money just waiting to go out and score an Xbox 360?
It's a theory, to be discarded when it's proven to be false. A working idea. nothing more, nothing less.
No joke. That's what makes science science. And not creationism or "intelligent design" for that matter.
"dictatorship of the proletariat" doesn't use the word "dictatorship" in the same way that those of us who know 20th century history are used to. Using the same meaning, the USA or the UK (for example) are examples of a "dictatorship of the bourgeois," because the bourgeois class is the group of people who control most of the wealth and command most of the power. It has nothing to do with a dictatorship in the sense of Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, etc.
Your so-called communist countries never were communist. And not even socialist. None of thost "communist countries" ever claimed to be communist.
When it comes down to it, a socialist economy has nothing to do with sharing in the name of the Greater Good. Fundamentally, it is about getting the true worth of what you produce with your work. Most workers produce goods and services at their jobs, getting paid a wage. That wage is far below the true worth of what they are producing. That results in profit, wealth that is isolated in a small number of pockets, relative to the number of workers who produced that wealth. Socialists believe that the wealth one produces through work should be his; it isn't about throwing it all into a big pot and sharing, giving everyone the same whether or not they contributed, regardless of hours worked or the job they did.
Is that OK in your communist democracy? Is that pricing and production level completely my choice as a free individual?
That depends. Generally, the answer is "yes." Some socialists believe that profit is morally wrong. A lot of others believe that profit isn't morally wrong, but that it shouldn't be isolated within shareholders or owners, when its the employees who were responsible for producing that wealth. So, depending on who you ask, the pricing is your choice- but the idea is that no one would buy from you since you're gouging them, when from someone else they get a more reasonable price. Most socialists believe in economic democracy; so let's say you are an organization with 10 people- employee-owners. You would decide pricing together, through a vote, rather than one person asuming total control (a boss).
There is no State in a communist society. I'm guessing that you're thinking that Big Brother State will tell you how much the Sno Cone should cost and how many you should make.
Well.. Technically, under Marxian socialism and communism, there is democracy. Or rather, there is supposed to be democracy. The crucial difference between a capitalist democracy and a socialist one is that a socialist country adds democracy to the area of the economy, where a capitalist democracy keeps it only within the political arena. Also, most socialists- including Marxian socialists and communists, as well as non-Marxist anarchists- believe in taking democracy further than it has been done within the market democracies.
Even the Soviet Union and other so-called "communist" countries have democracy- it's just sham democracy. As Stalin famously said, the 1936 Soviet constitution was "the most democratic in the world." However, in the Soviet union, as a security measure that was supposed to be temporary, Lenin pushed through the democratic bodies a ban on parties. Parties and "full democracy" was supposed to come back after the civil war, but didn't. I think that's mostly bullshit, but Lenin and Trotsky both had some pretty paternalistic and authoritarian ideas. Something that Marx and Engles never advocated, as well as a lot of other socialist thinkers before Lenin, during the life of the Soviet Union, and after the Fall until today.
Socialism, at least in the form Marx and a lot of other Marxists and anarchists advocated hasn't been tried. Anarchist Spain worked out pretty well, at least during the time they ran their own show before being defated by the fascists. It's not something I expect most folks to understand, but it's always tempting to try to explain.
I agree. I am of the mind that NeXTSTEP and OpenStep were the nicest OSes I've ever used. The GUI was the most elegant, with so many darn handy features.
No, but like I said, Decume is more complicated than Graffiti. But also like I said, I've used it on an ARM clocked at 100 MHz, so I expect the DS to be usable.