They won't object because it's not the same thing.
Apple created an Objective-C/Java bridge to allow programmers to access Objective-C objects and classes from Java. An external, native library, accessed through JNI funkiness. A person not running Mac OS X just doesn't have the Cocoa library, do they cannot use apps that depend on it.
MS fuddled with the spec, and the VM, making what could've been standard Java apps not run on other platforms and virtual machines.
So Sun couldn't object on the same grounds- unless interfacing with any native library is grounds enough for you. And if it is, why not stop the people making GTK+ bindings for Java too?
Not always. OmniWeb used to seem to hideiously slow and bloated on OS X, compared to iCab and even IE.
It seems OmniWeb has caught up. Once again, it is my primary browser. And damn- I forgot how sweet pages look in OmniWeb!
What was my point again? Oh yes. Cocoa has no intrinsic advantages as far as what the user sees- especially considering that Services are being largely ignored. The advantage comes to the developer, who is allowed more time to work on important things in their app, rather than pidly things. But Composer could've been written in Carbon or MFC- it just would've taken a lot longer.;) (but wait! I suppose that is an advantage for end users!)
...and this is coming from me, a NeXTie, who still has a NeXT cube (working MO drive!) and ran OpenStep 4.2 and Rhapsody DR2/x86 on his PC until I finally just bought a Mac a year.5 ago. So, if anything, I'm positively biased toward the Cocoa API.
Actually, what came before both of them, I imagine, was Apple's long-lost *other* Cocoa.
Cocoa was a multimedia authoring environment for kids. Apparently, a pretty interesting one too- a object-oriented IDE for kids, believe it or not. I think Alan Kay had something to do with it while he was still with Apple.
How I long for the days when Apple would do interesting research! Am I the only one who misses it? (the original) Cocoa, Dylan, MacLisp- a lot of interesting things that they seem to have given up on.
Actually, it looks like your Cocoa came first- they started calling it that around 1990, it appears.
What part of "a clear warming trend over the last 12 years or so" is hard for you to understand? There is a specific range of time (12 years) defined, and an effect described. I am interested in what kind of logic you are using. You statement seems to be like so:
1. Planet is old.
2. 150 years is only a fraction of the lifespan of the planet.
3. Thus, a statement about a trend which is occuring over a fixed time period is false.
Your argument is analogous to this one:
Setup: Every week, I note how much my cat weighs. In the last 6 months, the data points to the fact that there's been a clear trend in increasing weight.
1. My cat is 14 years old.
2. 6 months is only a small part of 14 years.
3. Thus, my cat is not getting any heavier.
I didn't say anthing about the current trend in global warming's relation to the rest of the planet's life.
When the planet was coming out of the ice age, there was global warming. The annual global temperature was going up. It has nothing to do with how stupid you are, or how old the earth is.
It's this kind of ignorance that we see all over, unfortunately.
There is no scientific debate about whether or not global warming (on earth) is occuring. We have global average temperatures for a 150 years. This data shows a clear warming trend over the last 12 years or so. No amount of wishful ignorance can make these numbers go away.
The debate is whether or not we are causing it. However, the ignorant often group them, which parallels the debate around evolution. People say that they don't "believe" evolution happens, when scientists have observed it happening. The scientific debate is over natural selection, and to what extent it is the main mechanism for evolution.
As long as people perpetuate inane talking-heads style opinion over scientific fact, our populus will remain ignorant. Which is to say, will always be the case.
Heh. While I'm agnostic/atheist/apathist, that's stupid. That is, to say that a person wouldn't be aware/wondering about god(s) unless they were told about it? How was the concept invented, if it takes someone else to inform another about it for the idea to exist? ALIENS?
Fundamentally different, but still causing a lot of accidents. Talking to other people in the car was on that list as well, however, it was smaller than playing with the radio and eating. Wish I could find the citation- I believe cell phones were at a low 2-4%.
I'm not impressed by the Treo myself. Nothing against it per se, but I am not big on cell phones, or Palm devices really. As soon as I can get a card for my Newton or iPAQ that allows me to get real wireless net access for a low cost per month, I'll be impressed. Doesn't even have to be fast- I'll take 2KB/s. But as long as these services are expensive as they are, I just don't find reason to get excited.
And while I hate the idiots that are talking on the phone while they're driving, you also have to face the facts. Wish I could find a reference, but on the news around a year ago, I saw some statistics about the apparent causes of accidents. Number one cause was food, at 21%, I believe. Futzing with the radio was at 11%, methinks. Should there be laws against eating while driving, or having a stereo which has no on-wheel controls?
I just purchased a H3150 + CF sleeve (same as the H3135) off of eBay for $165. Saw that Amazon deal, but it's been out of stock for a while- should've waited a little longer! Seems like a great deal- especially compared to the color models. I'm working on spe.sf.net - not sure if I'll run it on top of WinCE or Linux. Really doesn't matter.
A lot of people have been suggesting Java, and just as many have been debunking it.
I know this is a C/C++/Perl/Java bigot crowd, so I'll keep this short.
What about Common Lisp or Smalltalk? Both are quite portable, and reasonably fast. Common Lisp can even be fully compiled to machine code. They both fill all of the other requirements.
Two notable implementations of CL are CMUCL (Free) and Allegro CL (free trial, commercial- but solid).
As far as Smalltalk, the notable implementations for your project are VisualWorks and IBM's VisualAge for Smalltalk. Couple summers ago I worked at a shop which was heavily into VA/ST, and it was a pretty awesome system. Core of their business, and we're talking about a pretty big insurance company.
I live and die by the real HWR on my Newton. I don't need a keyboard. I take all of my school notes on it.
When I first saw this, I got totally excited about the little keyboard. But ABCDEF? Wtf? But a new keymap will be released, probably hours within the device's release. But it'll still be annoying as hell to have the letters permanently painted on the kb.:-/
Indeed! Why would anyone program COBOL-level business logic with something as low level as C++? C++ may be popular now, but it'd still be a pain. How about Common Lisp? Smalltalk? Python? Hell, I'll even say it... Java?
No, but they're connected to the next best thing- knee jerk investors. The stock market indicates nothing but the level of paranoia investors are currently at. Anything that could cause a disruption in raping profit will make them puke.
Take a look at Smalltalk/MT or Dolphin. Examples of what well-integrated Smalltalks can be like. For Windows only, but that's where the money is. And the market. Great Win32 System and GUI integreation.
Indeed. I've played around with it under SDL on Mac OS X and on my Helio, and it works quite nicely. Surprised how fast it is on the Helio compared to the other options out there (W, PocketLinux (ugh), and VT-OS). Hoping to get some TinyScheme and Lua bindings out there so people can write apps in a tiny language that is also dynamic.
Tiling windows seems like a far more intuitive way to manage windows on a PDA. Overlapping windows is absurd on a PDA, IMO- there's simply not enough screen space, even on an iPAQ (which still has a lot less than on a Newton MP 2x00). Having a full-screen setup like Palm apps doesn't quite work either, as it restricts you to a single task at a time.
Surprised no one else mentioned this, but if you're interested in windowing systems with no overlapping windows, have a look at PicoGUI. A really cool (IMO) little windowing system that is network transparent, and runs well on little resources. E.g., there's PicoLinux, a linux OS for a PDA called the Helio.
STk is another nice one. Not as popular as DrScheme, but has a really nice integration with Tk. Comes with a class browser, an editor, html browser, and a GUI builder.
If only the common lisp world had something to accessible and free.
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Why do people think Mozilla is so great? I've found a lot of other browsers that are much faster and user-friendly.
Or curious people. A lot of those who use drugs aren't sad, sorry people trying to make up for their dissatisfaction, but simply trying to experience somthing that is not found in day-to-day life.
Another WoD-WoT link: Uncle Sam wrote the Taliban a big fat check to the tune of US$43 million for "winning" their war on drugs. This was just back in May by the same administration! Probably paid for some of those terrorist-training camps we hear about getting bombed on the news.
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They won't object because it's not the same thing.
Apple created an Objective-C/Java bridge to allow programmers to access Objective-C objects and classes from Java. An external, native library, accessed through JNI funkiness. A person not running Mac OS X just doesn't have the Cocoa library, do they cannot use apps that depend on it.
MS fuddled with the spec, and the VM, making what could've been standard Java apps not run on other platforms and virtual machines.
So Sun couldn't object on the same grounds- unless interfacing with any native library is grounds enough for you. And if it is, why not stop the people making GTK+ bindings for Java too?
Not always. OmniWeb used to seem to hideiously slow and bloated on OS X, compared to iCab and even IE.
;) (but wait! I suppose that is an advantage for end users!)
It seems OmniWeb has caught up. Once again, it is my primary browser. And damn- I forgot how sweet pages look in OmniWeb!
What was my point again? Oh yes. Cocoa has no intrinsic advantages as far as what the user sees- especially considering that Services are being largely ignored. The advantage comes to the developer, who is allowed more time to work on important things in their app, rather than pidly things. But Composer could've been written in Carbon or MFC- it just would've taken a lot longer.
...and this is coming from me, a NeXTie, who still has a NeXT cube (working MO drive!) and ran OpenStep 4.2 and Rhapsody DR2/x86 on his PC until I finally just bought a Mac a year.5 ago. So, if anything, I'm positively biased toward the Cocoa API.
Actually, what came before both of them, I imagine, was Apple's long-lost *other* Cocoa.
Cocoa was a multimedia authoring environment for kids. Apparently, a pretty interesting one too- a object-oriented IDE for kids, believe it or not. I think Alan Kay had something to do with it while he was still with Apple.
How I long for the days when Apple would do interesting research! Am I the only one who misses it? (the original) Cocoa, Dylan, MacLisp- a lot of interesting things that they seem to have given up on.
Actually, it looks like your Cocoa came first- they started calling it that around 1990, it appears.
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What part of "a clear warming trend over the last 12 years or so" is hard for you to understand? There is a specific range of time (12 years) defined, and an effect described. I am interested in what kind of logic you are using. You statement seems to be like so:
1. Planet is old.
2. 150 years is only a fraction of the lifespan of the planet.
3. Thus, a statement about a trend which is occuring over a fixed time period is false.
Your argument is analogous to this one:
Setup: Every week, I note how much my cat weighs. In the last 6 months, the data points to the fact that there's been a clear trend in increasing weight.
1. My cat is 14 years old.
2. 6 months is only a small part of 14 years.
3. Thus, my cat is not getting any heavier.
I didn't say anthing about the current trend in global warming's relation to the rest of the planet's life.
When the planet was coming out of the ice age, there was global warming. The annual global temperature was going up. It has nothing to do with how stupid you are, or how old the earth is.
It's this kind of ignorance that we see all over, unfortunately.
Yay! Another uninformed know-it-all!
There is no scientific debate about whether or not global warming (on earth) is occuring. We have global average temperatures for a 150 years. This data shows a clear warming trend over the last 12 years or so. No amount of wishful ignorance can make these numbers go away.
The debate is whether or not we are causing it. However, the ignorant often group them, which parallels the debate around evolution. People say that they don't "believe" evolution happens, when scientists have observed it happening. The scientific debate is over natural selection, and to what extent it is the main mechanism for evolution.
As long as people perpetuate inane talking-heads style opinion over scientific fact, our populus will remain ignorant. Which is to say, will always be the case.
Heh. While I'm agnostic/atheist/apathist, that's stupid. That is, to say that a person wouldn't be aware/wondering about god(s) unless they were told about it? How was the concept invented, if it takes someone else to inform another about it for the idea to exist? ALIENS?
Fundamentally different, but still causing a lot of accidents. Talking to other people in the car was on that list as well, however, it was smaller than playing with the radio and eating. Wish I could find the citation- I believe cell phones were at a low 2-4%.
I'm not impressed by the Treo myself. Nothing against it per se, but I am not big on cell phones, or Palm devices really. As soon as I can get a card for my Newton or iPAQ that allows me to get real wireless net access for a low cost per month, I'll be impressed. Doesn't even have to be fast- I'll take 2KB/s. But as long as these services are expensive as they are, I just don't find reason to get excited.
No state may have such laws, but many cities do.
And while I hate the idiots that are talking on the phone while they're driving, you also have to face the facts. Wish I could find a reference, but on the news around a year ago, I saw some statistics about the apparent causes of accidents. Number one cause was food, at 21%, I believe. Futzing with the radio was at 11%, methinks. Should there be laws against eating while driving, or having a stereo which has no on-wheel controls?
I just purchased a H3150 + CF sleeve (same as the H3135) off of eBay for $165. Saw that Amazon deal, but it's been out of stock for a while- should've waited a little longer! Seems like a great deal- especially compared to the color models. I'm working on spe.sf.net - not sure if I'll run it on top of WinCE or Linux. Really doesn't matter.
A lot of people have been suggesting Java, and just as many have been debunking it.
I know this is a C/C++/Perl/Java bigot crowd, so I'll keep this short.
What about Common Lisp or Smalltalk? Both are quite portable, and reasonably fast. Common Lisp can even be fully compiled to machine code. They both fill all of the other requirements.
Two notable implementations of CL are CMUCL (Free) and Allegro CL (free trial, commercial- but solid).
As far as Smalltalk, the notable implementations for your project are VisualWorks and IBM's VisualAge for Smalltalk. Couple summers ago I worked at a shop which was heavily into VA/ST, and it was a pretty awesome system. Core of their business, and we're talking about a pretty big insurance company.
I live and die by the real HWR on my Newton. I don't need a keyboard. I take all of my school notes on it.
:-/
When I first saw this, I got totally excited about the little keyboard. But ABCDEF? Wtf? But a new keymap will be released, probably hours within the device's release. But it'll still be annoying as hell to have the letters permanently painted on the kb.
Except some of us have the foresight to avoid it now, rather than in 20 years when all the entry level bastards are stuck maintaining.
Both Smalltalk and Haskell have such a type. No doubt many other languages that were designed with some thought.
Indeed! Why would anyone program COBOL-level business logic with something as low level as C++? C++ may be popular now, but it'd still be a pain. How about Common Lisp? Smalltalk? Python? Hell, I'll even say it... Java?
No, I meant raping. As in forcibly gaining wealth at the expense of others.
No, but they're connected to the next best thing- knee jerk investors. The stock market indicates nothing but the level of paranoia investors are currently at. Anything that could cause a disruption in raping profit will make them puke.
Take a look at Smalltalk/MT or Dolphin. Examples of what well-integrated Smalltalks can be like. For Windows only, but that's where the money is. And the market. Great Win32 System and GUI integreation.
Tiling windows seems like a far more intuitive way to manage windows on a PDA. Overlapping windows is absurd on a PDA, IMO- there's simply not enough screen space, even on an iPAQ (which still has a lot less than on a Newton MP 2x00). Having a full-screen setup like Palm apps doesn't quite work either, as it restricts you to a single task at a time.
Surprised no one else mentioned this, but if you're interested in windowing systems with no overlapping windows, have a look at PicoGUI. A really cool (IMO) little windowing system that is network transparent, and runs well on little resources. E.g., there's PicoLinux, a linux OS for a PDA called the Helio.
Go see "From Hell."
Fact-checking? On slashdot? Surely, you jest! And timmy seems to be the best at just posting before he even looks at the link!
If only the common lisp world had something to accessible and free.
It must be a cult thing...
Or curious people. A lot of those who use drugs aren't sad, sorry people trying to make up for their dissatisfaction, but simply trying to experience somthing that is not found in day-to-day life.
Another WoD-WoT link: Uncle Sam wrote the Taliban a big fat check to the tune of US$43 million for "winning" their war on drugs. This was just back in May by the same administration! Probably paid for some of those terrorist-training camps we hear about getting bombed on the news.