They are more likely to trade large sums of money back and forth as game counters than they are to go out and consume.
- which is wonderful. Do you know what happens when a bunch of super wealthy people are bidding for items on the market? 170 million dollar paintings
The entire idea that economy is based on consumption is intellectually retarded to the point of no redemption. The only problem is lack of production, not lack of consumption. Consumption is trivial and the less money is bidding for the existing products, the lower the prices are (items go on sale when there are very few buyers, not when people are engaging in bidding wars).
The problem in USA (and Europe and Japan and Russia and so much of Africa and Australia and South America) is lack of production, not lack of consumption. It is the people who do not produce who cannot afford to consume and the real problem is lack of savings, which prevents increased production and this problem is created by the gigantic governments of the world, borrowing and printing money, controlling prices, taxing savings out of existence.
You can't demand jack shit if you don't produce anything. There is no such thing as a 'consumption based economy', the economy is only supply. Demand and consumption are trivial and infinite, supply is hard and limited.
A farmer does not eat if he does not grow something to eat first. That's all that an economy is and it doesn't matter if you put 1 or 300,000,000 people onto a continent, somebody has to produce stuff and if the stuff is not getting produced people are not going to be able to consume, end of story.
The only reason USA could consume without producing for such a long stretch of time was the inertia - the previous production binge and the inertia of the so called 'reserve currency', which is not actually any form of reserve, backed by nothing, no production, no assets that can be realised. The Chinese stopped the currency peg in August and the inflation is coming back to the USA, it is not going to be a long, protracted descend, once it starts it's going to be quick and painful fall towards poverty.
The thing is that for a company that sells its products globally this is quite irrelevant, the revenue streams don't have to cross, beside that the products do not cross borders either, so at which point exactly are you going to 'impose tariffs'?
The entire idea is ludicrous, government shouldn't be involved in any business, labour, wage, money, price regulations at all. There shouldn't be any government involvement in business and money is my position. As to 'gaming' the system, it is clear that the system is unsustainable and it will be routed around. It's like the Internet, business treats these laws as damage and routes around them.
By the way, it is trivial to get around idiotic price controls, it just it costs some set up money. Example: pay the wage whatever the government requires, then return the money in some form of a service or product or fund purchase, whatever it takes.
What do you consider to be 'critical' and why should I care what you think I have tried or not tried? I am talking about development and support roles.
Oh yeah, how exactly would you tax a foreign employee? You are talking about taxing the company pre-expense or what? Good luck with that if the company is making money abroad.
The law? The law cannot prevent a company from hiring people in another country since those people are not leaving their country to come in to the employer. WTH are you talking about?
The more you try to tighten the fist, the fewer jibs there will be left.
The point is by destroying individual freedoms you are not getting anything positive in return, only bad long term outcomes. But I am posing the same question once more: how is it you think you can stop anybody from hiring people anywhere in the world at all? Especially a company with revenues that are coming from around the world? A company that sells around the worls? By trying to control a company like that in the way you describe, you will sooner lose that company altogether. It makes no sense to be based in a country with laws that prevent global operations in today's world.
Explain this to me, I run a small company, how is it you think you can stop me from outsourcing work to other countries (and I do that) when not outsourcing is so much more expensive in terms of regulations, taxes, laws, never mind hourly wages, so how do you do that exactly?
What do you think you can do to prevent an owner of a company from hiring people ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD exactly? Ha!
More than that, your application has to be accepting not simple data objects, but classes with executable methods and then those need to be executed.
Of-course there are management tools that can do that (likely for bad reasons), but this also requires that the management tools are accessible from the outside and have no security around them.
First of all your original question is nonsense, the planet is in no way 'overpopulated', you are showing your dictatorial attitudes there. Secondly being able to buy something with a stack of cash is the most fair and democratic way to distribute resources (and services) as long as the system is a free market capitalism (which is hard to find nowadays). You get your free fair shot at the end of each intercourse. If you don't have somebody to do that with, who is supposed to provide you with a fair shot at it? Should I omen be compelled by the force of the government to let you have a go, so that you may attempt to duplicate your genetic material? Well, given that the usa and some other governments have been overtaken by feminists, which led to the welfare state, I doubt you could achieve that sort of 'fairness'.
I disagree, the problem are not the wolves, the problem are the sheep that gang up and follow the instructions of the wolves and cover themselves with just a thin excuse that they are simply doing their job or doing what everybody else is doing.
The so called 'progressive' income tax or any form of marginal tax applied to a very slim minority of people is a great example of gigantic discrimination that is pushed for by the wolves and the flock of sheep that makes up the mob votes for it because they are 'normal, empathic' people.
My mind is very set on this, the 'normal, empathic' people are the problem, they don't have 2 brain cells to rub together and not be the sheep.
The OP is proposing fascism and gets 5 Insightful here. If you are not with the collective and go against the mob, you need to be isolated and probably destroyed, is his position. That is the way of a Leninist, Stalinist, Mao, Hitler, etc.
Fascism, collectivism, socialism, communism - you are with us or against us. He wants the individual to be a slave of the collective and he is encouraged, which is not surprising. I point out that the 'normal, empathic' humans were commuting horrible atrocities in the name of the greater collective good in all the wars a comment above yours and I get modes down by these 'normal, empathic' sheep.
I disagree entirely, I think the 'normal, empathic human being' is the problem. A 'normal, empathic human being' is the sheep that makes up the mob that is led by the wolves.
It was 'normal, empathic human beings' that followed instructions in the WWI and WWII and all other wars to murder and destroy.
AFAIC if you are a 'normal, empathic human being' you should not be allowed to vote.
Before Nixon passed a law to 'help' family farms in the USA there were over 2.5 Million successful family farms in existence in that country. He reduced it with his laws to less than a million only in the first 10 years of that new regulation. Whenever a piece of shit working for government tells me how much I need him, I want him to do one thing and one thing only - go fuck yourself.
I would gladly pay money to have you disappear as a class of people from the face of this planet. Public sector should not even exist, there should be nothing at all that is 'public', everything should be private, all forms of infrastructure, every business and every service, every decision has to be made in a free market environment without little dickhead dictators. I hope most people spit on this census and throw it where it belongs - in the little piece of shit Frenchman's face.
The group, which is an agency of the Department of Justice issued a Request for Information specifically targeting what it called a fully integrated systems that will allow for the detection, tracking, interdiction, engagement and neutralization of small â" less the 55lb â" unmanned aerial system.
- introducing: the NET. This technology combined with the technology known as the MAN will provide a fully integrated system that will allow for the detection, tracking, interdiction, engagement and neutralization of small - less than the 55lb - unmanned aerial systems.
Not to be confused with the FLYSWATTER system though, which is a much weaker solution.
Speed limits are nonsensical, they are artificial and arbitrary, they shouldn't exist and more importantly they are none of government's business. Roads are none of government's business either. Road construction should be done privately, where it makes sense for economic reasons as decided by the market, not by any government for the reason of controlling interstate commerce or to raise taxes on all people who do not use them. Government roads are constructed by Mafia, money is stolen from the individuals, the entire thing is a giant racket. Roads should be private and rules on them should be private. Cops should be private and hired where it makes sense. Anyway, your example is an example of why laws are idiotic and destructive to individual freedom and to the economy, not how existing laws should apply because they exist already.
Realist. By the way, I see the collectivist society that you are so fond of as a bloody murderous cancer of humanity. This is the same society that started WWI and then WWII and then every other war after that. The society is the murderous bloody idiotic thoughtless disease. It steals, kidnaps, murders, that is all that the society is and does. The collectivist slogans are only a veil of the ugly beast. For my taste I prefer to deal with individuals and businesses they run, not any governments and their thug enforcers.
I never try to change the world for anybody, I use the system as it is given to me to work around its edges and corners, we have very limited time span on this planet, trying to change the way of the world will only lead to personal suffering. My position is that while I will explain my point of view (and I do so on this forum as an example), I will use the system against itself, hacking it, figuring out corner cases, finding ways around the barriers and walls and guns. The system is the rock, don't try to break the rock with your head, figure out a way to move around the rock, do not disturb it as it flies by you, let it crash on its own terms, use the path that it breaks through the environment for your own purposes.
There is no such thing as 'natural law' in the first place. Money is store of value, medium of exchange and unit of account, the question is not about money, the question is about the time of a singular individual on this planet and why should any amount of time of that singular individual be stolen from him by the collective to supply some other individual or individuals with the fruits of labour that the time of the first (taxed, robbed) individual has produced?
The answer is obvious: because the mob can gang up and kidnap and kill any singular individual.
When you say 'society' you mean the mob, because except for the mob and its violent representative government there is no such thing as 'society'.
'Go to Somalia' is a silly proposition, people do go where they can to avoid taxation, it doesn't have to be Somalia, all that it has to be is a place where the taxes on production and thus robbery of life by the mob is lower.
You think that it is not happening? USA has no productive capacity left because of that happening over the last 40 years, as the mob votes in government that promises to steal and redistribute, especially after defaulting on the gold dollar in 1971. The tax of inflation is what drove business out of USA, not just other income and wealth related taxes. At least originally those insured that people spent everything instead of saving. The lavish business offices, expensive buildings, expensive furniture, whatever business expenses - so much of those are a complete waste and would not happen if the tax system did not make it totally worth while just to spend money instead of saving it for the rainy day.
The mob has destroyed the ability of individuals and businesses to save and destroyed the very concept of sound money with all that taxation. Eventually the only tax that could be applied in that system is the tax of Inflation, but for people with means this is the tax that can be avoided fairly easily. It is the poor who suffer the most from inflation, not the wealthy.
This Finnish experiment is going to speed up the eventual (and inevitable) collapse of their economy, there is no question about it, it's just a matter of time. Given the current movement of various African and Middle Eastern immigrants around the world, it is the exactly wrong time to start experimenting with more socialism, because even the most staunch socialists understood that international socialism and Marxism is completely and utterly unsustainable in a very short term even, which is why those were replaced with national democratic socialism in Germany just after Keiser and we all are aware of the path that the world took after that...
That is the wrong approach that I am talking about. You should be thinking longer term, build a relationship with a small firm like mine or whatever. The difference is we have tons of experience, tons of working code, tons of components and our prices are globally competitive (the team is in different countries), we can truly control our costs. Beyond that we know how to get a project from 0 to production and to support it, our entire business model is enterprise level software and support for small and medium sized businesses, for those who cannot afford large firms and expensive solutions but those who actually do need good working production code and at least dome support in the long term.
The list of failures from TFA proves that software cannot be created and then not maintained, not constantly observed, not updated. Complex software that interacts with real life systems cannot be treated as if it is a 'fire and forget' thing. It is not.
The "disappearing warehouse" case is perfect, nobody was keeping an eye on the system, nobody at all was actually personally invested, personally responsible. I have created a lot of software over my life, I built and own a retail chain management system, store management, supply chain management, customer relations management, logistics, shipping, payment, warehouse management and some other systems. These are used by medium sized companies (actually in the world they could be called small, only dozens of stores, only hundreds of employees and a hundreds of suppliers, but actually tens of thousands of SKUs)
I know this: the owner of the business does not forget anything. The owner of the business is the person whose personal wealth is tied into the business, that person does not miss anything and if he or she is personally involved in the project, they understand the system (not entirely, but the parts that are important to running the business), no warehouse would go missing, no store would go missing, no supplier would go missing.
The reality is that combining complex software with lack of personal responsibility leads to real world issues.
I don't know what it is about Indonesia, but we have to block that country and prevent people from it from using our services. In our case all people joining from that country are doing it to use stolen credit cards and stolen paypal accounts. It's too bad really.
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They are more likely to trade large sums of money back and forth as game counters than they are to go out and consume.
- which is wonderful. Do you know what happens when a bunch of super wealthy people are bidding for items on the market? 170 million dollar paintings
The entire idea that economy is based on consumption is intellectually retarded to the point of no redemption. The only problem is lack of production, not lack of consumption. Consumption is trivial and the less money is bidding for the existing products, the lower the prices are (items go on sale when there are very few buyers, not when people are engaging in bidding wars).
The problem in USA (and Europe and Japan and Russia and so much of Africa and Australia and South America) is lack of production, not lack of consumption. It is the people who do not produce who cannot afford to consume and the real problem is lack of savings, which prevents increased production and this problem is created by the gigantic governments of the world, borrowing and printing money, controlling prices, taxing savings out of existence.
You can't demand jack shit if you don't produce anything. There is no such thing as a 'consumption based economy', the economy is only supply. Demand and consumption are trivial and infinite, supply is hard and limited.
A farmer does not eat if he does not grow something to eat first. That's all that an economy is and it doesn't matter if you put 1 or 300,000,000 people onto a continent, somebody has to produce stuff and if the stuff is not getting produced people are not going to be able to consume, end of story.
The only reason USA could consume without producing for such a long stretch of time was the inertia - the previous production binge and the inertia of the so called 'reserve currency', which is not actually any form of reserve, backed by nothing, no production, no assets that can be realised. The Chinese stopped the currency peg in August and the inflation is coming back to the USA, it is not going to be a long, protracted descend, once it starts it's going to be quick and painful fall towards poverty.
The thing is that for a company that sells its products globally this is quite irrelevant, the revenue streams don't have to cross, beside that the products do not cross borders either, so at which point exactly are you going to 'impose tariffs'?
The entire idea is ludicrous, government shouldn't be involved in any business, labour, wage, money, price regulations at all. There shouldn't be any government involvement in business and money is my position. As to 'gaming' the system, it is clear that the system is unsustainable and it will be routed around. It's like the Internet, business treats these laws as damage and routes around them.
By the way, it is trivial to get around idiotic price controls, it just it costs some set up money. Example: pay the wage whatever the government requires, then return the money in some form of a service or product or fund purchase, whatever it takes.
What do you consider to be 'critical' and why should I care what you think I have tried or not tried? I am talking about development and support roles.
It would achieve nothing. Buying a service from a foreign company goes right around this in a second.
Oh yeah, how exactly would you tax a foreign employee? You are talking about taxing the company pre-expense or what? Good luck with that if the company is making money abroad.
The law? The law cannot prevent a company from hiring people in another country since those people are not leaving their country to come in to the employer. WTH are you talking about?
The more you try to tighten the fist, the fewer jibs there will be left.
The point is by destroying individual freedoms you are not getting anything positive in return, only bad long term outcomes. But I am posing the same question once more: how is it you think you can stop anybody from hiring people anywhere in the world at all? Especially a company with revenues that are coming from around the world? A company that sells around the worls? By trying to control a company like that in the way you describe, you will sooner lose that company altogether. It makes no sense to be based in a country with laws that prevent global operations in today's world.
Explain this to me, I run a small company, how is it you think you can stop me from outsourcing work to other countries (and I do that) when not outsourcing is so much more expensive in terms of regulations, taxes, laws, never mind hourly wages, so how do you do that exactly?
What do you think you can do to prevent an owner of a company from hiring people ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD exactly? Ha!
More than that, your application has to be accepting not simple data objects, but classes with executable methods and then those need to be executed.
Of-course there are management tools that can do that (likely for bad reasons), but this also requires that the management tools are accessible from the outside and have no security around them.
First of all your original question is nonsense, the planet is in no way 'overpopulated', you are showing your dictatorial attitudes there. Secondly being able to buy something with a stack of cash is the most fair and democratic way to distribute resources (and services) as long as the system is a free market capitalism (which is hard to find nowadays). You get your free fair shot at the end of each intercourse. If you don't have somebody to do that with, who is supposed to provide you with a fair shot at it? Should I omen be compelled by the force of the government to let you have a go, so that you may attempt to duplicate your genetic material? Well, given that the usa and some other governments have been overtaken by feminists, which led to the welfare state, I doubt you could achieve that sort of 'fairness'.
I disagree, the problem are not the wolves, the problem are the sheep that gang up and follow the instructions of the wolves and cover themselves with just a thin excuse that they are simply doing their job or doing what everybody else is doing.
The so called 'progressive' income tax or any form of marginal tax applied to a very slim minority of people is a great example of gigantic discrimination that is pushed for by the wolves and the flock of sheep that makes up the mob votes for it because they are 'normal, empathic' people.
My mind is very set on this, the 'normal, empathic' people are the problem, they don't have 2 brain cells to rub together and not be the sheep.
The OP is proposing fascism and gets 5 Insightful here. If you are not with the collective and go against the mob, you need to be isolated and probably destroyed, is his position. That is the way of a Leninist, Stalinist, Mao, Hitler, etc.
Fascism, collectivism, socialism, communism - you are with us or against us. He wants the individual to be a slave of the collective and he is encouraged, which is not surprising. I point out that the 'normal, empathic' humans were commuting horrible atrocities in the name of the greater collective good in all the wars a comment above yours and I get modes down by these 'normal, empathic' sheep.
I disagree entirely, I think the 'normal, empathic human being' is the problem. A 'normal, empathic human being' is the sheep that makes up the mob that is led by the wolves.
It was 'normal, empathic human beings' that followed instructions in the WWI and WWII and all other wars to murder and destroy.
AFAIC if you are a 'normal, empathic human being' you should not be allowed to vote.
Before Nixon passed a law to 'help' family farms in the USA there were over 2.5 Million successful family farms in existence in that country. He reduced it with his laws to less than a million only in the first 10 years of that new regulation. Whenever a piece of shit working for government tells me how much I need him, I want him to do one thing and one thing only - go fuck yourself.
I would gladly pay money to have you disappear as a class of people from the face of this planet. Public sector should not even exist, there should be nothing at all that is 'public', everything should be private, all forms of infrastructure, every business and every service, every decision has to be made in a free market environment without little dickhead dictators. I hope most people spit on this census and throw it where it belongs - in the little piece of shit Frenchman's face.
The group, which is an agency of the Department of Justice issued a Request for Information specifically targeting what it called a fully integrated systems that will allow for the detection, tracking, interdiction, engagement and neutralization of small â" less the 55lb â" unmanned aerial system.
- introducing: the NET. This technology combined with the technology known as the MAN will provide a fully integrated system that will allow for the detection, tracking, interdiction, engagement and neutralization of small - less than the 55lb - unmanned aerial systems.
Not to be confused with the FLYSWATTER system though, which is a much weaker solution.
Speed limits are nonsensical, they are artificial and arbitrary, they shouldn't exist and more importantly they are none of government's business. Roads are none of government's business either. Road construction should be done privately, where it makes sense for economic reasons as decided by the market, not by any government for the reason of controlling interstate commerce or to raise taxes on all people who do not use them. Government roads are constructed by Mafia, money is stolen from the individuals, the entire thing is a giant racket. Roads should be private and rules on them should be private. Cops should be private and hired where it makes sense. Anyway, your example is an example of why laws are idiotic and destructive to individual freedom and to the economy, not how existing laws should apply because they exist already.
Realist. By the way, I see the collectivist society that you are so fond of as a bloody murderous cancer of humanity. This is the same society that started WWI and then WWII and then every other war after that. The society is the murderous bloody idiotic thoughtless disease. It steals, kidnaps, murders, that is all that the society is and does. The collectivist slogans are only a veil of the ugly beast.
For my taste I prefer to deal with individuals and businesses they run, not any governments and their thug enforcers.
I never try to change the world for anybody, I use the system as it is given to me to work around its edges and corners, we have very limited time span on this planet, trying to change the way of the world will only lead to personal suffering. My position is that while I will explain my point of view (and I do so on this forum as an example), I will use the system against itself, hacking it, figuring out corner cases, finding ways around the barriers and walls and guns. The system is the rock, don't try to break the rock with your head, figure out a way to move around the rock, do not disturb it as it flies by you, let it crash on its own terms, use the path that it breaks through the environment for your own purposes.
There is no such thing as 'natural law' in the first place. Money is store of value, medium of exchange and unit of account, the question is not about money, the question is about the time of a singular individual on this planet and why should any amount of time of that singular individual be stolen from him by the collective to supply some other individual or individuals with the fruits of labour that the time of the first (taxed, robbed) individual has produced?
The answer is obvious: because the mob can gang up and kidnap and kill any singular individual.
When you say 'society' you mean the mob, because except for the mob and its violent representative government there is no such thing as 'society'.
'Go to Somalia' is a silly proposition, people do go where they can to avoid taxation, it doesn't have to be Somalia, all that it has to be is a place where the taxes on production and thus robbery of life by the mob is lower.
You think that it is not happening? USA has no productive capacity left because of that happening over the last 40 years, as the mob votes in government that promises to steal and redistribute, especially after defaulting on the gold dollar in 1971. The tax of inflation is what drove business out of USA, not just other income and wealth related taxes. At least originally those insured that people spent everything instead of saving. The lavish business offices, expensive buildings, expensive furniture, whatever business expenses - so much of those are a complete waste and would not happen if the tax system did not make it totally worth while just to spend money instead of saving it for the rainy day.
The mob has destroyed the ability of individuals and businesses to save and destroyed the very concept of sound money with all that taxation. Eventually the only tax that could be applied in that system is the tax of Inflation, but for people with means this is the tax that can be avoided fairly easily. It is the poor who suffer the most from inflation, not the wealthy.
This Finnish experiment is going to speed up the eventual (and inevitable) collapse of their economy, there is no question about it, it's just a matter of time. Given the current movement of various African and Middle Eastern immigrants around the world, it is the exactly wrong time to start experimenting with more socialism, because even the most staunch socialists understood that international socialism and Marxism is completely and utterly unsustainable in a very short term even, which is why those were replaced with national democratic socialism in Germany just after Keiser and we all are aware of the path that the world took after that...
That is the wrong approach that I am talking about. You should be thinking longer term, build a relationship with a small firm like mine or whatever. The difference is we have tons of experience, tons of working code, tons of components and our prices are globally competitive (the team is in different countries), we can truly control our costs. Beyond that we know how to get a project from 0 to production and to support it, our entire business model is enterprise level software and support for small and medium sized businesses, for those who cannot afford large firms and expensive solutions but those who actually do need good working production code and at least dome support in the long term.
The list of failures from TFA proves that software cannot be created and then not maintained, not constantly observed, not updated. Complex software that interacts with real life systems cannot be treated as if it is a 'fire and forget' thing. It is not.
The "disappearing warehouse" case is perfect, nobody was keeping an eye on the system, nobody at all was actually personally invested, personally responsible. I have created a lot of software over my life, I built and own a retail chain management system, store management, supply chain management, customer relations management, logistics, shipping, payment, warehouse management and some other systems. These are used by medium sized companies (actually in the world they could be called small, only dozens of stores, only hundreds of employees and a hundreds of suppliers, but actually tens of thousands of SKUs)
I know this: the owner of the business does not forget anything. The owner of the business is the person whose personal wealth is tied into the business, that person does not miss anything and if he or she is personally involved in the project, they understand the system (not entirely, but the parts that are important to running the business), no warehouse would go missing, no store would go missing, no supplier would go missing.
The reality is that combining complex software with lack of personal responsibility leads to real world issues.
I don't know what it is about Indonesia, but we have to block that country and prevent people from it from using our services. In our case all people joining from that country are doing it to use stolen credit cards and stolen paypal accounts. It's too bad really.