I didn't quantify what good is. "Good" could be good at whatever you do, it could be Ethical, Moral, or some combination for both. It could also be "good" at being "bad."
Either way, I want to pass to the next world so that I can have the potential to make things "right." by my perspective!
"After long thoughts this was the one that led me to believe that there is no God because it is not possible to form a scientific hypothesis about God that could be proven, thus the hypothesis itself is incorrect."
Is that it can't be proven by methods you know about.
Pascal's Wager was something I found out about after my two near death experiences... I allways thought that it was a good arguement, but have seen it's flaws also.
The thing that could really blow your mind is what if there is Infinate Recursion?
When I was "younger" my little sister allways had the best. I found out later in life that it came from my dad. Boy was I pissed for him holding out on me!
I have done 0 drugs since I "grew up" at about 21.
Interestingly enough the first time I was under absolutely no pressure at all. I was performing a routine task that I had done thousands of times before. The second time, I was under EXTREME mental preassure that was actually exponentially increasing!
The first time... I actually argued with this "voice" about taking a saftey measure that I rarely took before. I was much younger then, but I remember it like it was my first sexual experience.
The second time, I performed a feat that I logically knew about deep in my mind, but have never performed in real life, under tighter tollerances than I believe me to be capable of if I practiced for a year. So this might not have been "Divine Intervention" but after my first experience, I am only thankful and a little bit firmer in my beliefs.
The thing about all this is (preps Karma Shield) Who cares?
Ahhh good shield... Uh oh detecting anomolies... Captain we need to reroute power from the phasers & the warp drives to the shield deflectors. Make it so. Ahhh it worked. Good job!
K now that my Karma is safe... Please understand what I mean.
Philosophical, unprovable arguements are by nature not worth more than discussion, and can not by nature lead to any outcome other than heated debate, War, or in this guys situation, a bad case of the munchies. I totally agree that this is like a conversation over a bowl of weed after watching the Matrix.
Personally, I believe in God because of certain situations in my life where I should have died or been seriously injured but was preppared by a "voice." But if god is just a program to inject thoughts in my head that save my life, then my belief in God is still valid, because from my perspective that program IS GOD.
Secondly if this is a VR sim, than there must be some Reality sufficiently advanced to where we could get replicated in RL from our VR selves after we proved our worth here! (another reason to be good!)
You made my point even more clear. I am not whiny, and I totally agree with everything up to your last paragraph.
The problem with that is as follows:
Installed userbase
The need to learn two systems (the simple fact is most offices / corporations use MS office) Yes M$ has a monopoly, yes it's bad, but it is what it is
and that by % of computer techs very few people would be capable or (non exclusive or)willing to work on it (which increases support cost)
I agree, if you stick to running it's intended operating system on it great! If you have the resourcefulnes and know how to -man handle it, go to town. It'll just work when you first plug it in (another Plus!)
But when the user tries to do a mail merge like they do at work they are going to complain to their friends. When they have to hunt down the functionality or can't figure out that Gimp and photoshop while compareable in most ways are TOTALLY DIFFERENT as to where functions are they are going to complain. When they try and customise something, and break their machine, they will ask a friend for help who will invariably say hit the key and click this or that, and they will be frustrated because those options won't be there.
The simple fact that you know Lynx tells me that you are more knowlegable than 70% of people I consider knowlegable about computers. This is why I think your perspective might be skewed. I know that the problem w/ OSS is adoption, and that my view kind of creates this catch 22 situation. I am not by any means a fanboy. I just think that most people who buy this will be like you and me, already know a bunch about computers, already have the current and future use for the machine mapped out for 5 years. And have allready used a version of OS based software.
I agree with you whole heartedly on the most of this issue and will sum up by saying if you are generally knowledgeable about computers and application functionality, you don't care about raw speed & 3d apps, and don't have much $, this is a great buy. I agree you don't need more than a P3 933 for web surfing, Mail, Wordprocessing, Spreadsheet apps.
But as for me, I sure as hell wouldn't get it for my neighbors first computer. In fact, I'd be more likely to get them something used on CL or Dell.com/ outlet personally guarantee it even at a loss before I would recomend this machine.
I hope I didn't offend you, that was not my intention, and thanks for the intelligent conversation, if nothing else.
He doesn't STOP them, what he is doing is helping to make an informed decision. If more people did that at wallmart, they'd have a much better rep! It's the same reason you turn people off of a MAC or PC or Linux based on what the users intentions are.
In a thread not too long ago, I posted how I try to turn clients away from cheap laptops. They never work as expected, and it will be too slow, save your $ and get the one you really want.
If you went to a car dealership, and told the salesman you do a lot of hiking and fishing, and he trys to sell you a kia sephia, He hasn't done his job. Same for the guy who try's to sell you a hummer for commuting back and forth from anywhere to LA, or Anywhere to Seattle.
No not in that way... You sick slashdot weirdos. God everytime someone says touch, it doesn't have to have anything to do w/ privates....
In all seriousness. Here was a guy completely in Stasis opposed to the idea of growing up. It's a great idea. I think I'll give some of his old broadcasts up.
P.S. I am looking for a way to tactilly replicate water on a touch feedback device. Anyone know of such a thing?
The one day I don't have mod points. >100000K to be exact which meant > 10%. That's decimating a goal when it comes to raising money, and more so when your "reaching" for your goal.
This isn't an investment, this is a charity any money raised is a good thing, and they deserve a little stroking.
It's more of how fast do you want a machine to be ready to use. People expect a computer to be like a TV. When boot time is 5 minutes, no one will use it, or they will leave it on all the time. If it takes two minutes to load word, and 3 minutes to start your flash game, and your sitting there watching the progress bar you have too much time on your hands!
This market would be better served using the library for computer use. Hell, I bet I can get to the library by the time the thing boots. On foot. Uphill. In the snow. {just kidding, please don't take any offense}
as for this:
i do pity those who thought it was just some outrageous "doorbuster" price on a more capable machine, but the type of retailer Wal-Mart is doesn't serve the question-asking crowd. Sometimes there's a price to be paid for cheap at the service level and not just at the product level. A local computer shop with clueful employees could have saved those people some time and frustration, but the $200 PC isn't at fault for that problem.
True, but then they take it to folks like me who have to say, I am sorry, at $75/hr to work on it, it'll cost you > 10 dollars before I even get started, and by the time I have any item fixed, your out 1/2 the cost of your computer.
It's not the fault of the computer. I'd use it as a web/prox server, I am sure it would handle that task well, infact It would probably be a great machine to host small business' on.
I think maybe you missed my point though.
If I am helping a client, I find out what they intend to do with the computer now, and what they want to do with it in the future. The later being far more important in the scheme of system design. If I were to throw together a $200 machine somehow.. it would be slow as molasas but work for what they need right now. Two months later said fake client calls up and says "Well, we want to do video messaging w/ our relatives in Florida. Our son say's it's easy anyone can do it." Uhm shit, this computer wich is on dialup basically needs to be replaced. Or they might complain that it takes a week for a flash game to load.
I agree that not everyone needs a top of the line computer, but when it comes to replacing, or getting a new PC the 1st thing a customer needs to do is determine intent, and future use. Just like when buying a car...
Are you going to buy a hummer to comute back and forth from Tacoma to Seattle every day? Not if you have 1 shred of economic inclination or even a slight sense of decency. It just doesn't make sense right? On the same sense, you wouldn't buy a kia rio if your going to spend a lot of time driving on mountain roads. But what if, you have a moderate commute "AND" like to hike? well then a Xover style car might be what your lookingfor.
Thats really all my point was. Greater than 90% of the time, someone will change required specs two minutes after they get it in their hands.
Thats why IMHO it is very important to NOT buy at the lowest price-point, Especially when it comes to laptops.
Yep, and that's why I tell clients not to bother. Because they will bring home a $200 comp, rip open the box, and discover that this thing is slower than what they had before. Then I ask "how long did it take you to save up?" usually I get "I just had extra $." Then I reply "If you take that money and stash it away, the next time you get extra $$ you will have enough to buy a usable machine, but if you take that and stash it, you'll be able to afford a good computer, and if you stash that one more time, I can probably hook you up with a gaming rig."
Market segmentations like this keep the poor poor, and make the rich more $$. I would make some car comparison here, but cars sold as new in the US can all do the speed limit on the highway. Some even get to 60 under 10 seconds.
I thought once I saw the !glowingass tag that there would be some shred of humor in this one.
I thought with christmas just passed, there would be some retarded reindeer joke or something... Something to make me laugh while I am stuck @ work doing nothing!
I was using short numbers on purpose... big numbers confuse people. It was just an example of how to consider costs. The OP was suggesting that the REAL cost of things is different for some items. I was just trying to illustrate that.
Speaking from someone who has to stretch every other dime, I look at both things when I make a purchase. What is this costing me now, do I need it, what will it cost me later. It comes down to Cost per USE.
For example, a new r/c plane I want is going to cost me $250 for a F27C. I have been flying on a sim so assuming I don't crash it... and it flies great for 30 charges or so that plane costs me $8.30 dollars per use. Then I upgrade the battery to a better Lipo and get 60 more good flights for another $40. Now that is $3.20 a flight w/ flight times averaging 13 minutes(being conservative here).
It costs me about $0.25/min to fly that plane. Luckily at work I make ~$.50/min, and value my fun time at 3x my work wages...
It's the same as asking, "Are Levi Jeans really more expensive than K-mart brand?" 35$ @ 150 wears = $0.23 19.99 @ 80 wears = $0.25 Not only are you paying more per wear, if you count replacement, you have to spend twice as much to get about the same wear count, and that doesn't factor in the cost of having to go back to kmart wich should costs sanity at the rate of $20/hr just for showing up cause you hate the place so much...
If, because of my driving style, is it more efficient for me to drive a gass guzzler that doesn't break down, or an economy car that often does which should I choose? I know I'd rather get solid 0-60 performance on a car for over 100000 miles than mediocre performance for every 120000 miles (so would most people)
So this is another factor, and we come to the Price:Performance ratio. O.k. lets go back to the jeans, and assume they are $5 less. What if the last 20 wears sucked, maybe it faded horribly so they looked bad, but still fit for the purpose of shielding the world from the view of you in your underwear (This does not apply to hot chicks, in that case to demonstrate your tight bottom...)
Ask any (most)girls and they will tell you it matters how long they last, and last looking good. Far more important than something looking good for just a minute.
Ask any (most) car guys and they will tell you, it's not about how much fuel economy it gets, it's how often can it get you from 0-60 w/o breaking down COMBINED with fuel economy.
Those were not inteded to be sexual analogies, but could be construed as such and still be true.
The light turned green and.1 second later chuck had lapped all the other cars 499 times, paused and did a victory lap before he ran over and saved a kitten by roundhousing a tree in Canada.
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I didn't quantify what good is. "Good" could be good at whatever you do, it could be Ethical, Moral, or some combination for both. It could also be "good" at being "bad."
Either way, I want to pass to the next world so that I can have the potential to make things "right." by my perspective!
I was the same EXACT way when I was younger 20.
The problem with this from my perspective:
"After long thoughts this was the one that led me to believe that there is no God because it is not possible to form a scientific hypothesis about God that could be proven, thus the hypothesis itself is incorrect."
Is that it can't be proven by methods you know about.
It could be, that's why I publicized my two experiences as well, a little more formally than on slashdot.
Pascal's Wager was something I found out about after my two near death experiences... I allways thought that it was a good arguement, but have seen it's flaws also.
The thing that could really blow your mind is what if there is Infinate Recursion?
When I was "younger" my little sister allways had the best. I found out later in life that it came from my dad. Boy was I pissed for him holding out on me!
I have done 0 drugs since I "grew up" at about 21.
Interestingly enough the first time I was under absolutely no pressure at all. I was performing a routine task that I had done thousands of times before. The second time, I was under EXTREME mental preassure that was actually exponentially increasing!
The first time... I actually argued with this "voice" about taking a saftey measure that I rarely took before. I was much younger then, but I remember it like it was my first sexual experience.
The second time, I performed a feat that I logically knew about deep in my mind, but have never performed in real life, under tighter tollerances than I believe me to be capable of if I practiced for a year. So this might not have been "Divine Intervention" but after my first experience, I am only thankful and a little bit firmer in my beliefs.
Would mod up if I could.
If everyone only knew how much that last comment rings true...
The thing about all this is (preps Karma Shield) Who cares?
Ahhh good shield...
Uh oh detecting anomolies... Captain we need to reroute power from the phasers & the warp drives to the shield deflectors.
Make it so.
Ahhh it worked. Good job!
K now that my Karma is safe... Please understand what I mean.
Philosophical, unprovable arguements are by nature not worth more than discussion, and can not by nature lead to any outcome other than heated debate, War, or in this guys situation, a bad case of the munchies. I totally agree that this is like a conversation over a bowl of weed after watching the Matrix.
Personally, I believe in God because of certain situations in my life where I should have died or been seriously injured but was preppared by a "voice." But if god is just a program to inject thoughts in my head that save my life, then my belief in God is still valid, because from my perspective that program IS GOD.
Secondly if this is a VR sim, than there must be some Reality sufficiently advanced to where we could get replicated in RL from our VR selves after we proved our worth here! (another reason to be good!)
The problem with that is as follows:
I agree, if you stick to running it's intended operating system on it great! If you have the resourcefulnes and know how to -man handle it, go to town. It'll just work when you first plug it in (another Plus!)
But when the user tries to do a mail merge like they do at work they are going to complain to their friends. When they have to hunt down the functionality or can't figure out that Gimp and photoshop while compareable in most ways are TOTALLY DIFFERENT as to where functions are they are going to complain. When they try and customise something, and break their machine, they will ask a friend for help who will invariably say hit the key and click this or that, and they will be frustrated because those options won't be there.
The simple fact that you know Lynx tells me that you are more knowlegable than 70% of people I consider knowlegable about computers. This is why I think your perspective might be skewed. I know that the problem w/ OSS is adoption, and that my view kind of creates this catch 22 situation. I am not by any means a fanboy. I just think that most people who buy this will be like you and me, already know a bunch about computers, already have the current and future use for the machine mapped out for 5 years. And have allready used a version of OS based software.
I agree with you whole heartedly on the most of this issue and will sum up by saying if you are generally knowledgeable about computers and application functionality, you don't care about raw speed & 3d apps, and don't have much $, this is a great buy. I agree you don't need more than a P3 933 for web surfing, Mail, Wordprocessing, Spreadsheet apps.
But as for me, I sure as hell wouldn't get it for my neighbors first computer. In fact, I'd be more likely to get them something used on CL or Dell.com/ outlet personally guarantee it even at a loss before I would recomend this machine.
I hope I didn't offend you, that was not my intention, and thanks for the intelligent conversation, if nothing else.
He doesn't STOP them, what he is doing is helping to make an informed decision. If more people did that at wallmart, they'd have a much better rep! It's the same reason you turn people off of a MAC or PC or Linux based on what the users intentions are.
In a thread not too long ago, I posted how I try to turn clients away from cheap laptops. They never work as expected, and it will be too slow, save your $ and get the one you really want.
If you went to a car dealership, and told the salesman you do a lot of hiking and fishing, and he trys to sell you a kia sephia, He hasn't done his job. Same for the guy who try's to sell you a hummer for commuting back and forth from anywhere to LA, or Anywhere to Seattle.
Cause if so, sign me up! I am addicted to dailys, herb farming, and making tons of gold! I need help. I can't stop!
replace give w/ hit. Why is this flamebait?
No not in that way... You sick slashdot weirdos. God everytime someone says touch, it doesn't have to have anything to do w/ privates....
In all seriousness. Here was a guy completely in Stasis opposed to the idea of growing up. It's a great idea. I think I'll give some of his old broadcasts up.
P.S. I am looking for a way to tactilly replicate water on a touch feedback device. Anyone know of such a thing?
Seriously? Come on.
The one day I don't have mod points. >100000K to be exact which meant > 10%.
That's decimating a goal when it comes to raising money, and more so when your "reaching" for your goal.
This isn't an investment, this is a charity any money raised is a good thing, and they deserve a little stroking.
I say you lend em a hand...
This market would be better served using the library for computer use. Hell, I bet I can get to the library by the time the thing boots. On foot. Uphill. In the snow. {just kidding, please don't take any offense}
as for this:
i do pity those who thought it was just some outrageous "doorbuster" price on a more capable machine, but the type
of retailer Wal-Mart is doesn't serve the question-asking crowd. Sometimes there's a price to be paid for cheap at the service level and not just at the product level. A local computer shop with clueful employees could have saved those people some time and frustration, but the $200 PC isn't at fault for that problem.
True, but then they take it to folks like me who have to say, I am sorry, at $75/hr to work on it, it'll cost you > 10 dollars before I even get started, and by the time I have any item fixed, your out 1/2 the cost of your computer.
It's not the fault of the computer. I'd use it as a web/prox server, I am sure it would handle that task well, infact It would probably be a great machine to host small business' on.
I think maybe you missed my point though.
If I am helping a client, I find out what they intend to do with the computer now, and what they want to do with it in the future. The later being far more important in the scheme of system design. If I were to throw together a $200 machine somehow.. it would be slow as molasas but work for what they need right now. Two months later said fake client calls up and says "Well, we want to do video messaging w/ our relatives in Florida. Our son say's it's easy anyone can do it." Uhm shit, this computer wich is on dialup basically needs to be replaced. Or they might complain that it takes a week for a flash game to load.
I agree that not everyone needs a top of the line computer, but when it comes to replacing, or getting a new PC the 1st thing a customer needs to do is determine intent, and future use. Just like when buying a car...
Are you going to buy a hummer to comute back and forth from Tacoma to Seattle every day? Not if you have 1 shred of economic inclination or even a slight sense of decency. It just doesn't make sense right? On the same sense, you wouldn't buy a kia rio if your going to spend a lot of time driving on mountain roads. But what if, you have a moderate commute "AND" like to hike? well then a Xover style car might be what your lookingfor.
Thats really all my point was. Greater than 90% of the time, someone will change required specs two minutes after they get it in their hands.
Thats why IMHO it is very important to NOT buy at the lowest price-point, Especially when it comes to laptops.
Yep, and that's why I tell clients not to bother. Because they will bring home a $200 comp, rip open the box, and discover that this thing is slower than what they had before. Then I ask "how long did it take you to save up?" usually I get "I just had extra $." Then I reply "If you take that money and stash it away, the next time you get extra $$ you will have enough to buy a usable machine, but if you take that and stash it, you'll be able to afford a good computer, and if you stash that one more time, I can probably hook you up with a gaming rig."
Market segmentations like this keep the poor poor, and make the rich more $$. I would make some car comparison here, but cars sold as new in the US can all do the speed limit on the highway. Some even get to 60 under 10 seconds.
I thought once I saw the !glowingass tag that there would be some shred of humor in this one.
I thought with christmas just passed, there would be some retarded reindeer joke or something... Something to make me laugh while I am stuck @ work doing nothing!
You shouldn't let a drive become mostly full. When a hard drive has 30% (I think it's around there...) space it starts to become less efficient.
Ideally, you could just lock down the read only portions to flash, and let the harddrive take care of the write intensive work.
While not the most important, it can have a dramatic effect on level loading times.
This is too perfect an opportunity!!!
C SIG
I was using short numbers on purpose... big numbers confuse people. It was just an example of how to consider costs. The OP was suggesting that the REAL cost of things is different for some items. I was just trying to illustrate that.
well, while 2.5 is a tad faster than avg... Sport bikes vs. street bikes do have some differences.
I have driven a Hyabusa, and I can tell you that without knkowing the bike, or really trying, 0-70-0 is achievable in 6.0 seconds.
Wether or not fuel efficiency is a major issue here, there is the mobility factor, that cars just can't beat even with big fat fuel guzzling harleys.
Speaking from someone who has to stretch every other dime, I look at both things when I make a purchase. What is this costing me now, do I need it, what will it cost me later. It comes down to Cost per USE.
For example, a new r/c plane I want is going to cost me $250 for a F27C. I have been flying on a sim so assuming I don't crash it... and it flies great for 30 charges or so that plane costs me $8.30 dollars per use. Then I upgrade the battery to a better Lipo and get 60 more good flights for another $40. Now that is $3.20 a flight w/ flight times averaging 13 minutes(being conservative here).
It costs me about $0.25/min to fly that plane. Luckily at work I make ~$.50/min, and value my fun time at 3x my work wages...
It's the same as asking, "Are Levi Jeans really more expensive than K-mart brand?"
35$ @ 150 wears = $0.23
19.99 @ 80 wears = $0.25
Not only are you paying more per wear, if you count replacement, you have to spend twice as much to get about the same wear count, and that doesn't factor in the cost of having to go back to kmart wich should costs sanity at the rate of $20/hr just for showing up cause you hate the place so much...
If, because of my driving style, is it more efficient for me to drive a gass guzzler that doesn't break down, or an economy car that often does which should I choose? I know I'd rather get solid 0-60 performance on a car for over 100000 miles than mediocre performance for every 120000 miles (so would most people)
So this is another factor, and we come to the Price:Performance ratio. O.k. lets go back to the jeans, and assume they are $5 less. What if the last 20 wears sucked, maybe it faded horribly so they looked bad, but still fit for the purpose of shielding the world from the view of you in your underwear (This does not apply to hot chicks, in that case to demonstrate your tight bottom...)
Ask any (most)girls and they will tell you it matters how long they last, and last looking good. Far more important than something looking good for just a minute.
Ask any (most) car guys and they will tell you, it's not about how much fuel economy it gets, it's how often can it get you from 0-60 w/o breaking down COMBINED with fuel economy.
Those were not inteded to be sexual analogies, but could be construed as such and still be true.
He's been dead for a little while now, but he would love to rock on if he could, I am sure!
The light turned green and .1 second later chuck had lapped all the other cars 499 times, paused and did a victory lap before he ran over and saved a kitten by roundhousing a tree in Canada.