gl = generation language? I thought he meant the high/lowness - ie how far abstracted the language is from the hardware. Low level = move 1 here, add it to that.... high level = go to this site and download the jpg file.
Calvin: "I like to verb words."
Hobbes: "What?"
Calvin: "I take nouns and adjectives and use them as verbs. Remember when `access' was a thing? Now it's something you do . It got verbed."
Calvin: "Verbing weirds language."
Hobbes: "Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding."
I had a french friend who spoke perfect english but would `think` his maths (which he was extremely good at) in french.
But maybe that was just him, maybe the fact he was v good at maths AND thought in word/symbols is what makes him good, and me pants.
Or he hates signing up for sites? I know i do. Isnt there a `partners` prefix normally, or you use cyberphreak for id/password? I cant be arsed to register either, so i was hoping for a link...
I dont understand space OR time to be honest. If you had a photo of anything at any level, how can you tell which bits are moving and which arent?
And i`m vaguely aware of zenos paradox...which, if i`m not mistaken, is the one where before you go 10 metres you have to go 5, but before you g 5 you have to go 2.5, but before..etc etc...
So at some point, at whatever level of granularity, surely you either move between 2 points in time, or you dont. I dont get it. Can anyone explain, or give me a url/book that deals with this?!
Well, i think theres some truth to your statement, but i`d tend to disagree too. I would draw a distinction between `bells and whistles` and the actual technical ability of the device. I mean, i can see what so called hifi equipment can come with flashing lights and all sorts of crap, and be totally outclassed by proper equipment, which will generally just have an on/off switch (talking about amps here, for example, or cd players).
But i was talking more about consoles, and the fact that its more down to marketing and reviews and god knows what else, not how many triangles it can draw in a second. The saturn/psx isnt the best example, as it was pretty close, but i`d say that it doesnt matter how close it is, it`ll make little difference in the long run if the marketing/cost isnt right.
No, ignorance and the legal system would have harmed me.
Harmed by racist materials? An intelligent, well educated person does not generally turn out to be racist. Education of other cultures, foods, geography, for example, prevent ignorance.
You cant make an intelligent, unracist person racist, but you can keep an `ignorant/uneducated` (discuss!) child stupid by only showing one (the bad) side of another culture/race. I think a discussion about why they like/agree with Stormfront would be a good starting point. If i were a teacher i`d probably want to use it in a lesson. I know that we used National Front (sad u.k. racist group that fizzled away in the 70s) material in classes over here.
The stock market - investors etc. These people are stupid. If we live in a society where stupid, greedy people can cause people to lose their jobs/money/companies, then again, theres something wrong with society/the system, isnt there? Look at the dotcom thing recently - just amusing, really. Its a problem. But is the best solution just to make it illegal to rattle the cages?
I`ll leave you to decide whether or not information has side effects. To me, information is something you use to make choices. Good information = good choices, if its processed properly. In the last few paragraphs i was talking about people not being picky about their information, so how they process it (side effects) is irrelevant. It doesnt help that they are stupid though. Its like the `are guns/knifes/drugs good/bad` discussion. Well, they are just matter, its what you do with it thats important. Clearly not all uses of them are purely evil.
Explain (about plasters)? Well, only that if someone is going to censor, say, picture of breasts, then i would suggest that it would not have any effect on society one way or the other. Mapplethorpe photographs of naked kids - porn or art? Doesnt matter. It will have no effect for better or for worse. Its just a picture. Its not going to make someone who ISNT a kiddie-porn person become one, and if you are, its just one more picture. Arent child-abusers people who`ve been abused themselves? Or are mentally ill? Or are you suggesting sane rational people just wake up one morning and decide to do these things? Of course, i support the illegality of taking the pictures, and of child abuse. But getting worked up about trying to block stuff isnt very useful, in my opinion. You *wont* be able to block *just* those sites, you will be blocking "ok" sites, and i just dont believe it will harm anyone.
"There must surely be a way to tap this without exposing the users to harmful influences. "
I think the point is that they are not harmful. Information cant harm you. And if you are harmed by a side-effect of freedom of information, then theres a wider issue that needs attention. Putting a plaster on a ruptured main artery may look better than nothing in court, but not in a hospital.
No, there was no problem doing all that - the reason most stuff didnt work on later machines was the cracks, trainers intros etc on them, which were written specifically for 1 type of amiga.
You could hit the hardware on an amiga in a `legal` way. A lot of people confused `using the hardware` with `writing illegal code`.
Yes, it looks like the sort of thing that you`d expect to find in wired.
Strange how you cant get Wired in the u.k. anymore. Well, you can get the u.s. version, but not the native u.k. version.
Cant think why.
Slashdot Mirror
i think that was lifted from Chomskys `deep language` stuff that you`ll find if you search on the net a little while...
gl = generation language? I thought he meant the high/lowness - ie how far abstracted the language is from the hardware. Low level = move 1 here, add it to that.... high level = go to this site and download the jpg file.
Calvin: "I like to verb words."
Hobbes: "What?"
Calvin: "I take nouns and adjectives and use them as verbs. Remember when `access' was a thing? Now it's something you do . It got verbed."
Calvin: "Verbing weirds language."
Hobbes: "Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding."
- Calvin & Hobbes, by Bill Watterson
I had a french friend who spoke perfect english but would `think` his maths (which he was extremely good at) in french.
But maybe that was just him, maybe the fact he was v good at maths AND thought in word/symbols is what makes him good, and me pants.
string *string
looks suspect to me, although i know thats not what you meant...
;)
http://hcs.harvard.edu/~igp/oldglass.html has some computer languages. Also has klingon!
Hey, dont let this lot let hear you call C a high level language!
yeah, i just tried a few out... its cypherphreak for both id/password
sure, its the first link in the story at the top of this page!
:)
Or he hates signing up for sites? I know i do. Isnt there a `partners` prefix normally, or you use cyberphreak for id/password? I cant be arsed to register either, so i was hoping for a link...
I dont understand space OR time to be honest. If you had a photo of anything at any level, how can you tell which bits are moving and which arent?
And i`m vaguely aware of zenos paradox...which, if i`m not mistaken, is the one where before you go 10 metres you have to go 5, but before you g 5 you have to go 2.5, but before..etc etc...
So at some point, at whatever level of granularity, surely you either move between 2 points in time, or you dont. I dont get it. Can anyone explain, or give me a url/book that deals with this?!
Will be interesting to see if cryptography can find a way around this...or will this become a technology that only `they` can use?
Yeah, and some countries are just `wrong`, unless you think that women shouldnt be able to drive/work/read etc...
Well, i think theres some truth to your statement, but i`d tend to disagree too. I would draw a distinction between `bells and whistles` and the actual technical ability of the device. I mean, i can see what so called hifi equipment can come with flashing lights and all sorts of crap, and be totally outclassed by proper equipment, which will generally just have an on/off switch (talking about amps here, for example, or cd players).
But i was talking more about consoles, and the fact that its more down to marketing and reviews and god knows what else, not how many triangles it can draw in a second. The saturn/psx isnt the best example, as it was pretty close, but i`d say that it doesnt matter how close it is, it`ll make little difference in the long run if the marketing/cost isnt right.
"and my guess is it won't be all that long"
Think it`ll be a while yet.
I`m not sure i see the connection between features and success in the marketplace? Care to help me out here?
well, how much is your Psx worth compared to your Saturn?
Surely if you....have.............dvdonacomputer......you`ll .....get.......that......shitty........u neven.....frameratetodealwith ?
"Information just harmed you. "
No, ignorance and the legal system would have harmed me.
Harmed by racist materials? An intelligent, well educated person does not generally turn out to be racist. Education of other cultures, foods, geography, for example, prevent ignorance.
You cant make an intelligent, unracist person racist, but you can keep an `ignorant/uneducated` (discuss!) child stupid by only showing one (the bad) side of another culture/race. I think a discussion about why they like/agree with Stormfront would be a good starting point. If i were a teacher i`d probably want to use it in a lesson. I know that we used National Front (sad u.k. racist group that fizzled away in the 70s) material in classes over here.
The stock market - investors etc. These people are stupid. If we live in a society where stupid, greedy people can cause people to lose their jobs/money/companies, then again, theres something wrong with society/the system, isnt there? Look at the dotcom thing recently - just amusing, really. Its a problem. But is the best solution just to make it illegal to rattle the cages?
I`ll leave you to decide whether or not information has side effects. To me, information is something you use to make choices. Good information = good choices, if its processed properly. In the last few paragraphs i was talking about people not being picky about their information, so how they process it (side effects) is irrelevant. It doesnt help that they are stupid though. Its like the `are guns/knifes/drugs good/bad` discussion. Well, they are just matter, its what you do with it thats important. Clearly not all uses of them are purely evil.
Explain (about plasters)? Well, only that if someone is going to censor, say, picture of breasts, then i would suggest that it would not have any effect on society one way or the other. Mapplethorpe photographs of naked kids - porn or art? Doesnt matter. It will have no effect for better or for worse. Its just a picture. Its not going to make someone who ISNT a kiddie-porn person become one, and if you are, its just one more picture. Arent child-abusers people who`ve been abused themselves? Or are mentally ill? Or are you suggesting sane rational people just wake up one morning and decide to do these things? Of course, i support the illegality of taking the pictures, and of child abuse. But getting worked up about trying to block stuff isnt very useful, in my opinion. You *wont* be able to block *just* those sites, you will be blocking "ok" sites, and i just dont believe it will harm anyone.
"There must surely be a way to tap this without exposing the users to harmful influences. "
I think the point is that they are not harmful. Information cant harm you. And if you are harmed by a side-effect of freedom of information, then theres a wider issue that needs attention. Putting a plaster on a ruptured main artery may look better than nothing in court, but not in a hospital.
Dont know, i`ve forgotten.
Thats exactly what the x-box is. Its just a pc, only you know what the hardware will be for gfx and sound.
No, there was no problem doing all that - the reason most stuff didnt work on later machines was the cracks, trainers intros etc on them, which were written specifically for 1 type of amiga.
You could hit the hardware on an amiga in a `legal` way. A lot of people confused `using the hardware` with `writing illegal code`.
Yeah, its not like it`d take you more than 30 mins to write a proggy to split/combine them in the right order in a pleasant foolproof way
Yes, it looks like the sort of thing that you`d expect to find in wired.
Strange how you cant get Wired in the u.k. anymore. Well, you can get the u.s. version, but not the native u.k. version.
Cant think why.