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IBM Develops Quantum Computer

JSC writes: "IBM has developed a quantum computer consisting of five atoms that work as the processor and memory. It's a nice advance of the state of the art...unfortunately, we won't see them on the shelves for about 20 years." Update: 08/15 06:49 PM by H :Check out the official IBM release - thanks to netMonkey for the update.

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  1. Finally by funk_phenomenon · · Score: 1
    Finally something of this development is coming out in a workable format. I heard about this in a Scientific American years ago and it looked very promising.

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  2. Perhaps IBM along with Ziggy... by AntiPasto · · Score: 4
    can finally bring Doctor Samuel Becket home with this new quatum leap computer! ;P

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  3. moving right along by knurr · · Score: 1

    I am waiting to see what we are going to get, in terms of cpu's five years from now, with things advancing the way they are....

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    1. Re:moving right along by knurr · · Score: 1

      Well Nerds like to read this stuff, so it must be news for us. I dont see non-nerds happy about this stuff so, I guess you need to draw your own conclusion.

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  4. Can you imagine... by howardjp · · Score: 2

    a beowulf cluster of these? :)

    Come on, I deserve karma for posting it on-topic and using my real name :)

    1. Re:Can you imagine... by NetCurl · · Score: 2

      At billions of simultaneous calculations (simultaneous means less than one second :) ), that would make a beowulf obsolete I would imagine...

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    2. Re:Can you imagine... by sqlrob · · Score: 1

      Simultaneous does NOT mean less than one second.

      They could do billions simultaneously, but still take a week (or more) to do it. E.g. if you can walk and chew gum simultaneously, doesn't mean you are walking or chewing any faster.

    3. Re:Can you imagine... by NetCurl · · Score: 2

      I should have said billions of operations, not calculations. Thank you for the correction.

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    4. Re:Can you imagine... by Lucifer · · Score: 1

      No, you both missed the point: it definitely is simultaneous, as well as instantaneous.

      Our current computers are to quantum computers as M-80s are to cobalt bombs. No joke!

      Times, they are a-changing....

  5. Hmm..... Quantum Computing... by jonfromspace · · Score: 2

    Man, 20 years? well, I bet we will still be arguing whether it should run Linux on Windows by the time these puppy's hit the market...

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  6. I want one, but.. by cmdrtrollo · · Score: 2

    Can they make it out of Everlasting Gobstoppers instead?

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  7. Key cracking by Mike+Schiraldi · · Score: 3

    This will allow the government to crack 5-bit encryption in fractions of a second! Think of the repercussions for privacy! No longer will the NSA have to brute force their way through the entire keyspace (more than 30 possible keys!)
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    1. Re:Key cracking by Xerophorex · · Score: 1

      i'd be more afraid of a criminal who uses it to crack encrypted transmissions containing credit card numbers. of course, by the same token, encryption software cane take advantage of molecular computing to increase the size of its encryption keys. so in the long run this has no effect on encryption.

    2. Re:Key cracking by 0-until-pink · · Score: 1

      This is true. The American government are going to pump money into this and reap the rewards by being far ahead of other groups when useful sized quantum machines appear. They could feasibly monitor everything that goes on online. Hopefuly legislation concerning data privacy will have been improved by then. Oh but wait a minute they ultimately control that too.

    3. Re:Key cracking by 1alpha7 · · Score: 1

      This will allow the government to crack 5-bit encryption in fractions of a second! Think of the repercussions for privacy! No longer will the NSA have to brute force their way through the entire keyspace (more than 30 possible keys!)

      Seriously, though, if this follows the usual track of computer hardware development, sooner than most expect, there will be an operating model. This would enable the NSA to crack 128 bit encryption fast enough to seriously change the state of privacy.

      I have enough sense to make 4096 bit keys whether it's currently necessary or not, but for most people, 128 bit is all they see as needed. This is coded into security apps too much already. In ten years how many people will still be using 128 bit as the "accepted standard", especially with the NSA standing in the way every chance it gets.

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    4. Re:Key cracking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      i think you're confusing two different key sizes and their meanings.

    5. Re:Key cracking by ponxx · · Score: 1
      Even your 4096 bit keys won't be worth anything if this technology scales...

      The significance of Quantum Computers in the field of Cryptoanalysis is that they work differently! For a "normal" computer the time taken to decrypt a PGP messages increases rapidly with the length of the message (was it exponentially?). So a 4000 bit key will not take 4 times as long to decrypt as a 1000 bit key, but many many times as long!

      The Quantum Computer built by IBM however, does it in 1 (ONE!!!) step. So if they can scale it to several thousand atoms, your 4000 bit key is worth nothing... because it will still only take ONE step!!! The only thing they need is a computer with a register long enough to hold your key (4096 bit, possibly they need a bit more..). I imagine however, that this will be quite difficult and that our keys should be safe for the near future :)

      If you wonder how PGP relates to finding the period of a function (which is what IBM found) have a look at this. I don't understand all the maths... but it seems someone has shown that finding the period of a function can be used to determine the factors of a large number, precisely the problem you face when trying to decrypt PGP!

    6. Re:Key cracking by chaidawg · · Score: 2

      It is true that a quantum computer wourld basically render all crypto schemes in use today obsolete. However, along with the advent of quantum computing comes a crypto that is unbreakable.
      It is based on a concept called Quantum Entanglement. It has been shown that twin photons shot opposite directions down a fiber will, when forced to decide their state, choose the same state at the exact same time. Couple your information to this and you get crypto that cannot be broken because its "key" becomes unusable if grabbed by a third party-the photon is forced to decide state out of synch and kills the message.

    7. Re:Key cracking by ponxx · · Score: 1
      I believe you could still intercept a quantum encrypted message, (How should the poor photons know whether they got to the wrong or right place?), but the recipient would know about it! So what you can do is transmit a one time pad across such a "line", then talk to your recipient on an open channel to verify that the pad got there and there were no eavesdroppers, and then use the one-time pad for encryption!

      The nice thing about such schemes is that physics stops you from cracking them, rather than the lack of power of your computer or some unproven mathematical theorem. Of course we might find out that our current understanding of Quantum Physics is wrong... but at the moment things look pretty good!

    8. Re:Key cracking by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      Even your 4096 bit keys won't be worth anything if this technology scales...

      Well then, i guess we'll just have to start generating 40960 bit long keys in order to stay ahead of "them".

      So a 4000 bit key will not take 4 times as long to decrypt as a 1000 bit key, but many many times as long!

      I may be wrong, but I THINK I read that the only part of encryption that's significantly affected by using larger keys is that of key generation. Once you've got your key, it takes the same amount of time to encrypt a message with 40 bit as opposed to 128 bit encryption... Some article I read, probably in the cryptogram newsletter said something along the lines of "there is no excuse to use anything but the strongest encryption available" because of that. Of course, maybe that was just for symetric cryptosystesm.

      I imagine however, that this will be quite difficult and that our keys should be safe for the near future :)

      Another common theme I've read in all to the cryptography websites is that the NSA tends to be 10-15 years ahead of civilians... So, would it be possible that they've already been experimenting with quantum computing since the mid-eighties? If that was the case, I wonder what their progress is... remember, IBM wants to announce their research, as a showboat kind of thing, where as the NSA most definetly does not want to announce thiers, so that their opponents don't know what they're up agaisnt.

      All in all, I'd guess we're safe, though... conspiracy theories aside, this is just a 5-bit machine. And there's no upper boundry to the size of a public key, except for limitations in the software we use... Just wait til a future version of PGP allows unlimited keysize (or limited only by your patience in taking the time to create them :)

    9. Re:Key cracking by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      That's absolutely useless for us, though... The only people it protects are people with either line of site or connected directly by fiber optic cabling...

    10. Re:Key cracking by Tyriphobe · · Score: 1
      The American government are going to pump money into this

      Too late - this was already being funded by the NSA and DoD, sez this Yahoo article.

    11. Re:Key cracking by MWright · · Score: 1

      Hehe... when I first learned about RSA, I wrote some programs to implement it on my graphing calculator. The highest keys it could handle were about 10 bits- anything more would generate numbers too big for the calculator to handle! What's more, the calculator itself was able to factor these keys in about 15 seconds!


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    12. Re:Key cracking by MWright · · Score: 1

      Any keys for today's cryptography methods will be useless, because they could be factored easily. However, this will not mean the death of privacy- with the problem, comes a solution. It turns out that the quantum properties can be used incredibly well for encryption. Not only would it be impossible to intercept a messgae, but you could even tell if someone was trying to!


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    13. Re:Key cracking by vawlk · · Score: 1

      If you can afford one of these things, I doubt you would need to snif out CC transmissions....

    14. Re:Key cracking by Steve+B · · Score: 2
      The significance of Quantum Computers in the field of Cryptoanalysis is that they work differently! For a "normal" computer the time taken to decrypt a PGP messages increases rapidly with the length of the message (was it exponentially?). So a 4000 bit key will not take 4 times as long to decrypt as a 1000 bit key, but many many times as long!

      The Quantum Computer built by IBM however, does it in 1 (ONE!!!) step. So if they can scale it to several thousand atoms, your 4000 bit key is worth nothing... because it will still only take ONE step!!! The only thing they need is a computer with a register long enough to hold your key (4096 bit, possibly they need a bit more..). I imagine however, that this will be quite difficult and that our keys should be safe for the near future :)

      The question, as you mention, is whether is is practical to set up a 4000-qbit computer such that the quantum entanglements of the 4000 qbits cause the right solution (e.g. the factors of a specific 4000-bit number) to pop out of the collapsed state. The slow crawl from 2 qbits to 5 qbits to 7 qbits suggests to me that it might turn out that the difficulty of setting up a 4000-qbit computer for a given problem isn't much less than the difficulty of just solving the problem algorithmically.
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    15. Re:Key cracking by benwb · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, it won't be too many years after the government has it that we'll be able to walk through all of their security with our desktop quantum computers. Kinda reminds me of Ben Kinsgley in Sneakers, "No more secrets."

    16. Re:Key cracking by Xerophorex · · Score: 1

      if you can sniff out CC transmissions, you can take over the entire american montary system. you can spend everyone's money, to the point where CC payments would become meaningless because CC companies would no longer be able to back them up.

    17. Re:Key cracking by styopa · · Score: 2

      Well then, i guess we'll just have to start generating 40960 bit long keys in order to stay ahead of "them".

      You don't seem to get it. A quantum computer in effect "knows" the answer right at the beginning and it just takes a little bit of time to display it. If quantum computers were to ever become stable enough to have the ability to run something like linux at the speed of a Pentium, your 40960 bit long key would be rendered useless in minutes if not seconds.

      A very simplistic way to look at it is you have a room with n switches, where n is the number of bits in you encryption, and some lights connected to those switches. In order to have all of the lights on you need to have those switches in a specific order. A regular computer flips the first switch, turns around and checks to see if the lights are on, if not moves on in a binary fassion (there are better ways of doing it but this is just a simplification). It will go through all of the combinations until it hits the correct answer. A quantum computer has the equivelent to a cheat sheet with the answer on it already and it only takes enough time to flip the switches in the correct order.

      Standard cryptography today is useless against quantum factorization. Luckly, right now there is no way to keep the particles in a stable configuration. If you think that large bit encryption will keep you safe from quantum computers, when they finally become viable, then you are asking for you messages to be broken.

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    18. Re:Key cracking by styopa · · Score: 2

      Part of the reason for the slow crawl from 2 to 5 to 7 qbits is a stability issue. Right now quantum computers have a lifespan of a mere fraction of a second. The ability to keep the qbits in a stable enough configuration such that they can be used for long periods of time has not been found yet. Once they find out how to stablize it then the scaling becomes relatively easy, so long as they can keep it cooled properly (and for those who don't know were talking liquid helium temperatures ie under 10 Kelvin).

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    19. Re:Key cracking by ponxx · · Score: 1

      I meant to say it takes many many times as long to crack the code... or to decrypt it without the key. So that making longer keys is very effective against brute force attacks, but they are NOT against quantum computers!

    20. Re:Key cracking by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      I think i do get it: A quantum computer is only useful against cryptosystems whose key sizes fit into (however it's measured) it's qubits, or what not.

      Just as a 5 qubit quantum computer is useless for attacking 40 bit keys, a 500 qubit computer would be useless against 4000 bit keys, etc, etc, etc...

      I maybe wrong, of course. Where's Bruce Schneier when we need him? :)

    21. Re:Key cracking by styopa · · Score: 2

      It is true that a 5 qubit quantum computer is useless against a 40 bit key, but if they every get the stabilization problem fixed we won't be dealing with 5 or 7 qbit machines because they will scale the things rather quickly. You can only scale so high with the standard mathematical encryption algorithms.
      Don't brush quantum computing aside because it will come to nip you in the butt before you know it.

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    22. Re:Key cracking by dabacon · · Score: 1

      Is it really true that it would render ALL crypto schemes unbreakable? I don't think so.

      For instance, there are crypto systems based on the difficulty of solving an NP-complete problem. So far, no one has been able to show (and many researchers do not beleive) that quantum computers can efficiently solve NP-complete problems. As I understand it, crypto systems based on NP-complete problems are rather inefficient (as opposed to say RSA) and this is the main reason why they are not in widespread use.

      That withstanding, I wouldn't hold your breath for Intel coming out with its first quantum computer soon: building a quantum computer looks to be one of the grand technological challenges of the 21st century.

      Oh yeah, quantum computing people really hate it when they are mentioned in the same breath as DNA computing and optical computers....the speedup due to quantum computers should be thought of as more of a software speedup (i.e. faster algorithms) not as a hardware speedup (i.e. basic circuitry more efficient).

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  8. 5 atoms? by toup · · Score: 1

    Did I read that right? 5 atoms that work as a processor and memory? Geez... I just don't know where I will find room for that on my desk...

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    1. Re:5 atoms? by the_other_one · · Score: 2

      Just don't sneeze.

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    2. Re:5 Atoms? by bob_jordan · · Score: 5

      Dropping contact lenses is bad enough. Imagine dropping one of these!!!

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    3. Re:5 Atoms? by MaxGrant · · Score: 1

      Just make the case reeeeal spacious; and by all that's sane don't put a fan in it.

    4. Re:5 Atoms? by ErikZ · · Score: 2

      Man, think of the purchasing scams you can pull at your company.

      "Bill, I want to talk to you about this 20 million dollar hardware acquisition charge. All we got was this box with foam kernels in it"

      "You opened the box?! You fool! You let all the quantum computers out! Now I'll have to reorder them! The board will hear about this!"

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    5. Re:5 Atoms? by schechter · · Score: 1

      Who's to stop a company from selling these computers with a mere 4 atoms? I smell a scam...

    6. Re:5 atoms? by wallofwoe · · Score: 1

      IBM hasn't been the only people working on this. The idea has been around for quite some time with many novel approaches coming about as a result of all the man hours of research dumped into this. Ideas have been proposed that use a single complex hydrocarbon where the coupled spin states of carbon and hydrogen within the molecule are used as the q-bits. The idea isn't necessarily limited to specific atoms in specific places as much as it is to having quantum bodies with definite coupled states. Nonetheless, a working quantum computer is a phenomenal feat. Perhaps even the biggest experimental development this millenia =oP

  9. I can see some potential problems by fjordboy · · Score: 1

    If people have trouble keeping track of their laptops, I can easily see myself misplacing one of these...


    1. Re:I can see some potential problems by schechter · · Score: 1

      As long as the monitor doesn't shrink proportionally...

  10. 5 Atoms? by pigpogm · · Score: 5

    5 Atoms? We won't see them on the shelve's at all - unless your eyesight's a lot better than mine...

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  11. New Use for Pocket Lint = Quantum Computing by relayer · · Score: 1

    Wow, pocket lint atoms used for computers. An untapped resource?

  12. The ultimate Quake cheat! by 64.28.67.48 · · Score: 2

    This state would represent both zero and one and everything in between. Instead of solving the problem by adding all the numbers in order, a quantum computer would add all the numbers at the same time.

    Does that mean I'll be able to be everywhere at once? Of course that could work both ways -- being everywhere presents a big target...

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  13. Cryptography by pallex · · Score: 1

    Will be interesting to see if cryptography can find a way around this...or will this become a technology that only `they` can use?

    1. Re:Cryptography by SEWilco · · Score: 1

      Or if you need encrypted storage (rather than communication) you'll simply carry your 200 terabytes of secret data on your keyring. The hard part will be having a keyboard and display which you know is secure. There's no such thing as a little paranoia...

  14. More details by Chouser · · Score: 2

    There's much more detailed information from IBM Research than was included in the press release. It's interesting that apparently Los Alamos has already developed a 7-qubit computer, it's just that they haven't used it to solve a real math problem yet.

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    1. Re:More details by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      that qubits could perform certain calculations exponentially faster than conventional computers.

      I hope it's more scientific than this little statement

      how can "exponentially" be a comparison of scalar values?


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  15. Programming Quantum Computers by WinDoze · · Score: 4

    I wonder what's going to happen to us programmers. I had heard a while ago in Scientific American that programming Quamtum Computers required a radically different approach than those used today. I wonder how much different it will be, and how us "old-timers" will deal with it.

    1. Re:Programming Quantum Computers by Matts · · Score: 2
      See the Perl module Quantum::Superpositions.

      Anyone who went to the Perl conference and saw Damian Conway speak about this will appreciate the phrase "IN CONSTANT TIME!"...

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    2. Re:Programming Quantum Computers by ikoL · · Score: 3

      I wonder how much different it will be, and how us "old-timers" will deal with it.

      Digital computing won't go away though, as the article mentions, quantum isn't good for many tasks. Most likely they'll come out with hybrid machines, a digital machine calling on the power of the quantum processor when needed. Sorta the way a gas-electric hybrid uses the better engine for a given speed. I'd think that you'd have a digital processor calling on a quantum one when the problem warrants it's power. Digital programmers'll write programs for the digital one and call the "quantum functions" via an API.

      but then again I could be compleatly wrong

      -ikoL

    3. Re:Programming Quantum Computers by majcher · · Score: 1

      You can also pick up Damian Conway's Quantum::Superpositions module for Perl (http://search.cpan.org/doc/ DCONWAY/Quantum-Superpositions-1.03/lib/Quantum/Su perpositions.pm) that simulates QM-like superpositions. The documentation is an interesting introduction to quantum computing, and the talk he gave on this module at the O'Reilly conference was amazing. Now we just have to wait for Perl to be ported to one of these machines, and we'll be all set...

    4. Re:Programming Quantum Computers by MindStalker · · Score: 3

      Accually your more right than you know. As quantum computers solve problems, they can only produce answers that they are some order of mangitude (lets say 95%) confident in the solution. So statistically it should give you the correct answer 95% of the time, the other times the answer will be completly wrong. But thats where traditional computing has its place, as it takes almost no time for a regular processor to check the answer of the quantum processor, and tell it to try again.

  16. Nice stuff they've got, but... by DrQu+xum · · Score: 1

    ...how clusterable is it? 2000 of them working in parallel...can you say "Exaflop", boys and girls? RC5 might just get cracked pretty damn quick with that thing.
    So when's the PSC getting one?

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    1. Re:Nice stuff they've got, but... by angelo · · Score: 1

      As long as it doesn't require any exotic power source, they are welcome to move in. If there is some remote chance in destroying the universe, I'm moving away from Pittsburgh.

  17. Innovations galore! by dbthomas · · Score: 3

    Let's hope that by 2020, when quantum computing hits the market, Intel will be close to rolling out the PXIII and promising that within 5 years they will make the jump out of x86 architecture. Of course, I'm probably being impractical...

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    1. Re:Innovations galore! by Wedman · · Score: 1
      "we won't see them on the shelves for about 20 years."

      20 years? HA! Moores Law says they should hit the shelves in 2.

  18. "Axiom"?! by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

    Moore's Law is not an axiom (a law which is accepted without proof). It's more of a rule of thumb.

    Perhaps a quantum processing unit (QPU?) would be more useful as a self-contained accelerator card for a traditional computer.

    Which brings us to something I've always wondered: How does does one (efficientl) program a quantum computer? Wouldn't the time spent configuring the atoms with their billions of values exceed the time saved by the quantum operations?

    1. Re:"Axiom"?! by HenryWirz · · Score: 1

      How do you even go about getting the answer of a calculation w/o changing the result?

    2. Re:"Axiom"?! by Fizgig · · Score: 1

      My understanding of it is that you start out with a quantum register (made up of quantum bits) in all sorts of different states, do operations to them until only one possible state is left. Then and only then are you allowed to look at the answer (you can tell what an electron's spin is).

    3. Re:"Axiom"?! by matty · · Score: 1
      It's more of a rule of thumb.

      Quite so, and it was originally something that Mr. Moore (I forget his first name) said sort of in passing during an interview.

      Turns out he was rather insightful (hey, too bad we didn't have Slashdot back then, his karma would have ruled! :), but my understanding is he was just making an off-the-cuff remark that has been accepted as gospel by all the 'tech pundits' out there.

      Cheers......

    4. Re:"Axiom"?! by Mr_Ceebs · · Score: 1

      So will quantum computers follow Moore's law only if we don't look at them whilst were developing them?
      if we sit down and develop every possible 20 atom computer? will the only one that we are left with be the one that works?

    5. Re:"Axiom"?! by HenryWirz · · Score: 1

      Thanks. This stuff makes my head hurt. I guess I'm just a Newtonian living in a Hawkings age.

  19. Don't Hold Your Breath by LaNMaN2000 · · Score: 1

    Mass-producing quantum computers would require fabs to completely overhaul the existing equipment that they purchased for the production of Silicon chips. Considering how long it took Intel to merely migrate to hardware that would allow them to produce chips at .18 micron instead of .25 micron, I would not expect existing companies to migrate to the production of quantum computers until well after they have been used as supercomputers for a few years. We may see quantun supercomputers being produced within the next 20 years, but it will probably be far longer before people can purchase them for home use.

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    1. Re:Don't Hold Your Breath by litesgod · · Score: 1

      While it is true that it does take some time, and quite a bit of money to move fabs, it is something that the semiconductor buisness has had to deal with for a long time. The simple fact is, a new fab is really only state-of-the-art for a year or so. It may start out cranking out the money makers, but within a few years they are usually reduced to making either embedded or memory, or something equally non-taxing. And by ten years, all of there equipment has been donated to some university or other, and they are redisgned as office buildings.

      So yeah, it might take sometime for the research, but I would say it would only take a few years after that(assuming Intel/AMD/whoever is in control of chips at the time decides to) before fabs spring up to mass produce these chips.

  20. Heisenberg compensator by HenryWirz · · Score: 2

    Is it possible that IBM has also developed the world's first Heisenberg compensator?

  21. Oops! by suwalski · · Score: 2

    Don't sneeze!

  22. Predictions by pigpogm · · Score: 5

    PigPog's Law: The number of atoms in a quantum computer will double every 18 months.

    PigPig Gates says: We'll never need more than 640 protons.

    PigPog's Uncertainty Principle: We may know where the computer is or which direction it just blew off the table, but never both at the same time.

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    1. Re:Predictions by pigpogm · · Score: 3

      Schroedinger's Thinkpad: There is a 50/50 chance that the machine is working or not working each time you open the lid.

      No, wait, that's a Compaq Armada...

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    2. Re:Predictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Your quantum computer will exhibit statistical mechanical effects. You cannot predict if you will get a correct answer, only the probability it is correct. No, wait... that's a Pentium floating point unit.

  23. Yeah but... by Xentax · · Score: 3

    Note that the 3dfx video card is 4 of the 5 atoms, and 2 of the 4 are atomic fans. Otherwise, the whole thing would split from the heat. You thought melting was bad -- imagine your computer going critical and wiping out the city! Dang overclockers....

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  24. What are the real-world applications? by meadowsp · · Score: 1

    It mentions that quantum computing will be incredibly useful for key-cracking, web-searching etc, but does anyone know what difference this will make to the end-user?

    Also, how are we going to program these baby's? Surely current techniques, languages etc. will all be insufficient?

    Questions, questions.

    Also, while I'm at it, This is a good place for a quantum computing primer.

  25. No more smaller CPUs? by staili · · Score: 1

    Will Quantum Computers be the smallest computers ever build?
    So after Quantum Computers, Computers would only get bigger and bigger.
    It sounds like a strange idea.
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  26. Billions of calculations at once.. by onion2k · · Score: 1

    This thing can do billions of calculations at once.. It can crack RSA in the blink of an eye.. figure out nuclear simulations, DNA decoding and predict the weather.. Can't wait until someone compiles PERL on it.. Onion

    1. Re:Billions of calculations at once.. by sconeu · · Score: 1

      But Microsoft Quantum Windows 2020 (Service Pack 47) will still create 2049483 BSODs all at once!

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  27. New Slogan by mholve · · Score: 1

    "Where do you want to go today | tomorrow | yesterday?"

  28. Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by pclminion · · Score: 1
    I thought the Slashdot readership (regardless of intelligence level) was generally opposed to wanton commercialization. Now we're talking about commercializing QUANTUM COMPUTERS? Get off it already.

    Why the hell would any normal person ever need something like this? "Ooooh daddy, can I get the QZ-5900 please?!?! I want to calculate solar radiation flux! I want to simulate nuclear detonations! I want to solve the traveling salesman problem for 29 billion routes!"

    These are the kinds of problems that quantum computers are geared to compute. Not for playing games, not for doing spreadsheets, and definitely not anything for the store shelves. The only thing that might even tangentially intersect with the common interests is decryption, and I assure you the government will take care of preventing that kind of technology from ever getting into our hands. If we ever see quantum computers in commercial hardware, it will be in very specialized devices that do tasks that 95% of civilization doesn't care about.

    1. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by The+Step+Child · · Score: 1

      I thought the Slashdot readership (regardless of intelligence level) was generally opposed to wanton commercialization. Now we're talking about commercializing QUANTUM COMPUTERS? Get off it already.

      Then why isn't it being developed by the government? Why IBM?

    2. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by AstynaxX · · Score: 1

      Hmm... one right off the top of my head is GAMES. Quantum Quake, graphics so real it makes current cinematic CGI look fake and ugly. Also, the AI applications would be mind blowing, for games and non games alike. [Think Data from Star Trek]

      BTW, you say not for games, but why not? What, because its enjoyable means it doesn't deserve high tech?

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    3. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      Since when does the government develop ANYTHING? The government did not develop the space shuttle, the government did not develop the communications satellite, or GPS, or the M16 machine gun, or any number of other things the government has interests in. The government allocates funds for private industry to do the development. This is what capitalism is all about.

      Not to mention that IBM, as a technology entity, has interests in pure research, just like most other huge companies. Despite what you might think, large companies often have humanitarian and scientific interests that are not bound by capitalistic fantasies.

      The example cited in the article about faster web-searching might become reality, then again, it might not. It's still only a single application, and if the time-to-fruition really is along the lines of 20 years as the quantum computing community believes, we'd be idiots to assume that the web will look anything like it does today, or even exist at all, by then. Speculating on how to apply developing technologies to the internet in 20 years is like a person in the 1940's speculating how to apply new propellor designs to new planes in the 1960's, which ended up using air-breathing jet engines instead of inefficient propellors. Except that the internet is changing a hell of a lot faster than that. It's pointless to waste time speculating about the internet in 20 years.

    4. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by jbarnett · · Score: 2


      I want to calculate solar radiation flux! I want to simulate nuclear detonations!

      Why the hell wouldn't you!!?! Video games man!

      ID Software are you listening?

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    5. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by Tower · · Score: 1

      The government pays schools and corporations for R&D (i.e. MIT, RPI, Caltech, Lockheed, etc). IBM will research anything that is relevant (major computing advance) that they (we) can sell at a profit (it *is* a business).

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    6. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by mlk · · Score: 1

      We will never need more than 4 386-spec machines
      or more then 640KRam
      or a QPU.

      We will never need half the sht we have, we LIKE IT thou.
      3D graphics is maths :)

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    7. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by Tower · · Score: 1

      >So when will Fry's get their next shipment of Deep Blue?

      "Real Soon Now"... BTW, what is a Fry's (don't remember hearing of them in NJ, near Albany, NY or here in MN... I'm guessing it's like a BestBuy?

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    8. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by ErikZ · · Score: 3

      >These are the kinds of problems that quantum computers are geared to compute. Not for playing games, not for doing spreadsheets, and definitely not anything for the store shelves.

      Whew! I'm glad you figured it all out for us. You saved everyone a lot of time and money by letting us know what what we shouldn't be doing with quantum computing.

      Oh, but I think you're wrong on games, I believe you'd be able to program some incredible AI for games like Quake, Or do fantastic universe simulations for games like Elite or privateer.

      You're right about the spreadsheets though, who needs spreadsheets when you have have a quantum computer go though all the possible combinations of funding for a company to come up with the best fiscal plan, in about two seconds.

      And I'd hate to have one of these things on my desktop, I mean, I'd be playing with it all the time, trying to find out new things that could be done with it. Working together with other cutting edge geeks out there...I mean, what's the point?

      Sheesh,
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    9. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by Sloppy · · Score: 2

      Yeah, right. I remember when the Compaq Deskpro 386 came out. "That'll make a great server, but nobody really needs a workstation that fast." So naive. In 20 years, the a.out from hello.c will be 50 megabytes, and you'll need something with a the power to simulate a nuclear explosion just so that MS Word will be able to keep up with your typing speed.

      I know. You think I'm joking, or that I'm wrong. But I'm not. Try MS Word 2000 on a Pentium 66 some time and see if it can keep up with your fingers. In 1990, you would have laughed at the idea that computers were going to be slower in 1995 than they were in 1985, but guess what? It happened. Ain't software "progress" great?

      20 years from now you're going to be begging on your knees for one of these quantum computers just so you can read your email without falling asleep while waiting for the screen to redraw. And in 2023 your "old" quantum computer will be totally obsolete.


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    10. Re:Why would we EVER see them on shelves? by arielb · · Score: 1

      Luddite :P

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  29. Great for PDA's? by suwalski · · Score: 2

    I would think that a chip like this would be great for PDA's, laptops, just about anything. Really fast, very tiny, and I doubt it consumes any power at all... good deal. I wonder if in even twenty years it will be affordable though. IBM will have to pay off over 20 years of development!

    1. Re:Great for PDA's? by pclminion · · Score: 1
      No. Have you ever even read the literature on quantum computation? Sure, it's small, it uses very little power, and it's incredibly powerful.

      But how do you propose we program a quantum device to do everyday tasks? Do think it's as simple as writing some C code? No way in hell. Go read the literature.

    2. Re:Great for PDA's? by Tyriphobe · · Score: 1

      The chip is tiny, but I don't think the nuclear magnetic resonance machine they use to read/write will fit into a laptop... nor will its power consumption compare with a Crusoe. Also, you might not want to put radioactive isotopes in your pocket, if you catch my drift ;)

    3. Re:Great for PDA's? by closedpegasus · · Score: 1

      I found this little tidbit:

      At IBM Almaden, for example, the core of Chuang's quantum computer is small and inexpensive: qubit-containing molecules dissolved in a few drops of colorless solvent, encased in a glass tube smaller than his little finger. But the NMR spectrometer that makes the computer go is a silvery, 10-foot-tall cylinder surrounded by great thickets of wires and plumbing--most of it required to service the liquid helium that chills the spectrometer's superconducting magnets. If future quantum coprocessors follow this pattern, they will be huge, multimillion-dollar behemoths that fill up whole rooms, and that only governments can afford. So, it's going to take a while to get to that point.

  30. I'll need a new hobby... by ct · · Score: 1

    How the hell am I supposed to overclock this one?

    -ct

  31. Anyone know the fundamentals of quantum computing? by 11390036 · · Score: 1

    I understand that a quantum computer can solve a problem in a single step, but how is this possible? Especially if one involved multiple variables or possible outcomes? Would it require multiple problem variants, or something to the effect?

    How is it possible for a quantum computer to do this, but not a conventional one?

  32. Applications? by Durinia · · Score: 2
    The potential of quantum computing cannot be argued against - the example given shows that it would revolutionize both databases and cryptography.

    I guess that my big question is this: Are these huge benefits only available in these areas, or could this be used to create a faster general purpose machine?

    I know that algorithmic research for these machines is very different than standard CS. Is it just that we've only found good quantum algorithms for these applications? Or is it just that the quantum properties lend themselves to incredible speedups for these specific problems?

    I don't know if anyone here can answer these questions, but I'm sure that some of you know more than I do about it! :)

  33. Question by toup · · Score: 1

    Now who is going to come up with the coolest case for this computer? I was thinking some PVC pipes and a glowing skull...

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  34. help by omay · · Score: 1

    my quantum computer and my cat were in the same box and now the cat is dead. I know because I looked.

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  35. Umm...no by Boiler99 · · Score: 1

    Well, there are a couple of problems with this...
    1) There have been MULTIPLE critical Windows updates in the past 6 months...one off the top of my head is the "Outlook Sercurity Fix" that was supposed to do away with the ILOVEYOU virus that happend recently...
    2) Just because there are no updates does not mean there are not any problems...what kind of logic is that? It also doesn't mean things are improving. You can't tell me there are no problems with Windows.
    3) While I was busy imagining how long it would be before a *stable* version of Linux came out for it, I thought..."Hey...how long has it been since A *stable* version of Windows came out PERIOD???"
    I would argue more but my computer is about to crash and needs to be rebooted...

  36. Linux Port by Sturm · · Score: 1

    So is anybody working on a Linux port yet?

  37. Re:Anyone know the fundamentals of quantum computi by pclminion · · Score: 2
    It is because a quantum bit ("qubit") can be in multiple states simultaneously. This is almost synonymous with simulating "multiple problem variants" simultaneously.

    Here's a good starting point for the non-physicist:

    Quantum Computation: A Tutorial

  38. It'll won't be anything like what we're doing now by Dan+Hayes · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, since the task of creating workable and useful algorithms for quantum computers is still in its infancy, I very much doubt present day programmers will ever be able to sit in front on one and hack away at a piece of code. Quantum algorithms are very different from those we use in current computers.

    See QUIC at CalTech or the Centre for Quantum Computation at Oxford for more information on quantum algorithms.

  39. Los Alamos has a 7qubit... by griffjon · · Score: 4

    And, in fact, has had a working 7qubit computer since March (2000)...

    This article is an easy read with a GREAT summary of the history, applications, and iswsues in quantum computing: http://www.techreview.com/articles/may00/waldrop.h tm

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    1. Re:Los Alamos has a 7qubit... by jallen02 · · Score: 1

      Thanks, that article explained more than I have read on /. articles the whole time :)

      Quantum computing *IS* cool and it will be incredibly useful but if this kind of thing doesnt turn you on I woudlnt worry overmuch.. By the time I am retired it may be relevant they have a whole lot of research to do it took them several years to even determine if this was possible beyond 'theory' you know in theory and in practice are such different things.

      In theory I should never work more than 40 hours a week since im salaried right *cough cough* this is just something really cool to watch out for IMO :) I dont wanna learn Quantum Mechanics, I dont wanna research it keep the gory details far from me :)

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  40. Moore and the gang of 8 at Fairchild. by Money__ · · Score: 1
    Think back to the 50's when the semiconductor field was just "some wacky research" that never amounted to anything. In reading about this quantum research, I'm very much reminded of Bob Noyce and Gordon Moore doing their ground breaking work at Fairchild semiconductors. This interview with Gordon Moore talks in great detail about the early research years.

    Gordon Moore from the interview:
    Anyhow, while we were making these first mesa transistors, completing development of the process and putting them into production, we had a person whose background was as a theoretician, as part of the original group, by the name of John Hoerni. And particularly when we setting up the initial equipment, John was writing in his notebook and coming up with ideas of things to try, and he came up with a proposal... of instead of making a 'mesa,' which exposes the sensitive area of the transistor to the outside world, that one should just do more of these diffusions--oxide mask diffusions--and leave the oxide over the top of the junction, the sensitive part. Well, that was something that previously had been considered a bad idea because Bell Labs' conventional wisdom was that the oxide was dirty and you wanted to get rid of it.

    But we couldn't try John's idea right away because it took four index masking operations in order to make the structure he was proposing and Bob Noyce only bought three lenses!

    [Laughter.]

  41. More Info by Trinition · · Score: 4
    Quntum computers aren't terribly new, in the technolgoy timeline anyways. There's beena lot fo development on them, both theoretical and real, in the past 20 years.

    For quite some time, it was just a mind game. That was until real algorithms were discovered/invented to take advantage of these curiosities. With powerfully fast algorithms for factoring large integers (the source of encryption's security), searching, etc. they stand poised to change the face of computing. Imagine things such as cracking 1024-bit encyrtption or searching the entire phone-book in one operation.

    Of course, the tricky part is to build one. Since they rely on quantum properties, they are easily bumped into a real state. But this is the source of their power too. If one particle can be in two states, then a string of particles can represent every n-bit binary number combination possible!

    There are several different ways to go about quantum computing. Some use lasers to cool individual atoms to an energy-level where theyt can be controlled reliably. Others use the bulk-effect of quantum states dtected with nuclear magnetic resonance (ironaically, the caffeine molecule prooves to be particulary useful in this setup).

    As of yet, they've been able to do some pretty simple arithmetic with only a few bits of information.

    As for how it will change computing and programming, the best guess I've heard is that there might be quantum coprocessors someday (much like the old math-coprocessors). You see, quantum computers are thus far very good at certain kind of operations and not so good at others. This is very similar to traditional CPUs (which suck at factoring numbers in a reasonable amount of time). The two compliment each other.

    I knew that information I gleaned while writing that college paper on Quantum Computing would come in handy!

    On a similar note, Quantum Encryption is a related field where quantum-entanglement is used to transmit information securely. If someone were to try and eaves-drop on the system the system would collapse into a real state and the information would not be intercepted.

  42. It'll make Crypto obsolete by griffjon · · Score: 2

    Quantum crypto-cracking (given, say, a 40qubit system) makes cracking traditional crypto insanely easy. IIRC from the defcon quantum crypto talk, it is SQRT(Original keypsace) in difficulty to crack, instead of (Original keyspace).

    This means, longer keys, and eventually quantum computing to enable OTPs (One-Time Pads -- yes, with Quantum computing they're possible, and, better yet, functional!)

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    1. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by .sig · · Score: 1

      Actually, with quantum mechanics there won't be much of a need for cryptography. I forget the details (we brushed over this in one of those upper-level physics classes that nobody really understands), but it's possible to send quantum information in such a way that any attempts at intercepting would destroy the message. (Something about the transmission being dependant on having only one destination, just thinking about it again is making my brain hurt...)

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    2. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by griffjon · · Score: 2

      This is true--and is the OTP effect.

      The problem is the tech curve. There is no way in hell that we'll have desktop end-to-end quantum crypto devices before spooks and other nefarious types get decently strong qubit computers to ravage all current encryption.

      This would explain the lowering of export requirements for traditional encryption...

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    3. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by silicon_synapse · · Score: 1

      Wouldnt't this allow the message to be intercepted and not recieved by the intended recipient? It would still only have one destination. Or does it have to be a specific destination?

    4. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by .sig · · Score: 1

      Well, I don't remember 100%, but I'm pretty sure it depends on the configuration of the reciever. While it would be possible to spoof the message, the intended recipient would know something was up if he didn't get the message. (As they would if the message didn't need a specific destination. Either way, if they don't get the message than something's wrong, and they can act on it)

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    5. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by zottl · · Score: 1

      I guess it comes down to this:
      With quantum stuff, you can't measure something without altering what you've measured; i.e. once you've measured something, it's not the same anymore.
      The practical application of this fact for cryto would be to send a one-time key before the encrypted message and compare the received key with the one that was sent.
      If somebody intercepted the key, you'll notice because the interception altered the key, so the key that the intended receiver got would not be the same anymore as the one that was sent. And if the key came through alright, you could be sure that nobody sneaked in on the key and send the message.

      I'm no physics major, so correct me if I'm wrong; but I guess this would make spying secrets virtually impossible.

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    6. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by silicon_synapse · · Score: 1

      I wasn't refering to spying without being noticed. I'm just wondering if the message can be intercepted even if it prevents the intended recipient from getting it. It would be noticed, but it would be too late since the info is already stolen. Maybe I'm just blowing smoke.

    7. Re:It'll make Crypto obsolete by griffjon · · Score: 1

      No, it can't, because in the quantum crypto model, you're not actually sending the OTP, you're sending data allowing both parties to agree on a OTP--which requires the recipient to reply with a filtered version of the info sent. I wish I understood at a deeper level such that I could explain it better.

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  43. Moores law by cybercuzco · · Score: 1
    This looks like it is extending moores law, the amount of qbits is doubling every 18 months or so from 1 to 3 now to 5 then to 10 "in about 2 years or so" Its interesting that technology can keep up with this observation, and whats more amazing was that it was made in the 60's and has held pretty much true for all these iterations.

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  44. More Informative Articles by dmccarty · · Score: 1

    I wish the AltaVista article had some more information about the process. A 5-atom quantum computer is great, but what can it do? I'd be impressed with even a simple "hello" application, or the soution of a simple problem, but AFAICT everyone seems to be waiting for the 7- and 10-atom models.
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    1. Re:More Informative Articles by elysire · · Score: 1

      http://www.ibm.com/news/2000/08/15.phtml

      That's the best I've been able to eek out of the IBM site...the Alameda-specific site is refusing/too busy. They do mention within the type of problem it solved and the nature of the qubits (fluorine), but their research database doesn't have any 'new' design literature that I can find. Trying gamely to figure out how the qubits are internalized within this 'molecule' without entanglement or disruption [?]
  45. Research and Development Baby! by TierNet · · Score: 2

    IBM seems to be doing more research and development than anyone else these days yet they don't seem to be focusing one one or two markets. They are already this big bulky monster. Why are they trying to expand like this?

    1. Re:Research and Development Baby! by ameoba · · Score: 1
      A few of the recent developments at Big Blue are now starting to make sense to me. The Linux Watch, for example. They've just produced the small, low power processor required.

      Of course, they could have saved themselves a lot time and effort by just runing NetBSD/Cessium.
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  46. Not a procedural computer by QBobWatson · · Score: 1

    I heard a talk on this about six months ago (when the largest quantum computer was a whopping two bits) and I think it should be made more clear that this type of computer does not do procedural computations (it'd have to be reset every time if I understood right) -- its main application would be mathematical algorithms. The example I was given was in prime-factoring numbers (which is where all of the cryptography comes in), and as far as I know, this is the only use anyone has invented for such a computer.

    1. Re:Not a procedural computer by Boiler99 · · Score: 1

      I had been wondering how they were going to compile:

      IF (spin_up) AND !(spin_up) THEN

      into anything useful... ;)

    2. Re:Not a procedural computer by Zigg · · Score: 2

      The example I was given was in prime-factoring numbers (which is where all of the cryptography comes in), and as far as I know, this is the only use anyone has invented for such a computer.

      This may seem incredibly short-sighted, but what's then to stop us from putting a quantum-computer-on-a-card inside of a traditional computer to handle those sort of problems?

  47. Re:Hmm..... Quantum Computing... by Xentax · · Score: 1

    There's no such thing as stable. It's like claiming that the human body's temperature remains constant. Sure, average, it stays pretty close. But your extremities (sp?) are usually cooler than your torso region, and there's always localized variation, as your body carries out exothermic and endothermic reactions all over the place, all the time, for your entire life.

    The same is true for software, especially the various OS's application software runs on. There will always be bugs to fix -- you can't write 14 million lines of code without a bug (Windows 9X is about 14 million LOC I believe) -- the odds against it are just too remote to consider. And fixing some bugs will invariably cause a few more. Factor in new software with new features, new hardware components with their own problems, the device drivers for that hardware, and you begin to see the problem.

    A system can't remain stable for long unless it lives in a vacuum. Computers, Operating Systems, Application Software -- none of these exist in a vacuum. Change is inevitable, and "the Problem" of keeping these things in relative harmony will thus always be with us.

    So, if you can accept that any OS will always have to change, improve, adapt, etc., the question remains as to "which is better." Right now, Linux/Unix/***BSD/Whatever open source will remain a better technical solution -- more people looking at the problem means a higher chance of solving it. Closed souce solutions like WinBlows can't hope to keep up in an incremental fashion. They've done ok so far by enjoying and taking advantage of better hardware/driver support and a better application suite (in most respects), and of course better marketing and a lower learning curve. But, if they lose that advantage, they'll be through. If Office 2000 was available on Linux, there's no reason half the desktops in the US couldn't run Linux instead, almost immediately. The receptionist and the HR staff don't care what OS Word runs on, as long as it's reasonably predicatable and stable and fast.

    I'd keep ranting, but lunch beckons...

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  48. Re:Once again Perl way out front by miniwookie · · Score: 1

    Well all you ahve to do is learn perl then you can use D. Conway's Quantum::Superposition module, a nice OO Module for using quantum computing in everyday code.

  49. quote by mirko · · Score: 2

    ``A quantum computer could eventually be used for practical purposes such as database searches -- for example searching the Web could be sped up a great deal -- but probably not for more mundane tasks such as word processing,''
    I really appreciate to see that, though quantum computers could help solving problems, they don't denigrate what came before this.
    This will change from "fashion-effects" that make people forget what was sufficient until something new appeared. For example, look at how quick people got rid of the command line when the first GUIs appeared.

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  50. Re:Hmm..... Quantum Computing... by Boingoing · · Score: 1

    I don't know about Windows improving. As far as using Windows Update... I'm lucky if I only have to re-install Windows every month or couple weeks. And what makes you think it will take longer to make a version of Linux stable on a quantum processor than it will for a Windows os? Windows is already *unstable* and Linux is already very *stable*.

  51. Language for quantum computers by AlpineR · · Score: 5
    While searching for quantum physics simulations, I came across

    A Programming Language for Quantum Computers

    There is also a good, comprehensive website at

    OpenQubit

    but it seems to be in need of a new maintainer.

    My understanding is that quantum computer simulators allow one to mimic the output of a quantum computer, but without the time speed-up that real quantum hardware would provide. So algorithms can be tested out, slowly, even before powerful quantum hardware is developed. I suspect some problems can also be better expressed in a quantum computing language and would therefore be solved more easily even on classical hardware.

    On the subject of simulating quantum physics on classical hardware, in the book The Feynman Processor and in Feynman's own papers it is stated that a classical computer can never perfectly simulate quantum physics. But from the evidence they give it seems merely impractical, not impossible. There can be a huge penalty in the number of steps and time required but no clear reason why a simple quantum physics system could not be perfectly simulated on a powerful classical computer. Anyone have any insight on this problem?

    AlpineR

    1. Re:Language for quantum computers by mkarcher · · Score: 2

      I can just imagine that sometime in the future (if it doesn't exist already) there will be a quantum programming language called Q-BOL.

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  52. the classically trained are doomed by Sebastopol · · Score: 5

    Word: If you're between the ages of 14-18, START STUDYING QUANTUM COMPUTING NOW!!!

    Why? Long explanation:

    I read half of a book called Introduction to Quantum Computing (can't remember the author, but I bought it at Siggraph'99 -- there was a huge pile of this book in one booth).

    Anyway, the book is great. It's almost a step-by-step guide to the math behind quantum computing while still maintaining the physical analogy. I got to the part where they discuss Feynman's method for building a quantum adder (which was merely a trivial demonstration of how to get a QM to do a classical computation).

    In chapter 5 or 6, the book starts explaining how to build a Hamiltonion (QM operator function, kinda like a Laplace transfer function H(s)) for the square root of a NOT gate, I realized that anyone who's brain has been fed classical computing concepts based on Turing and Von Neuman is DOOMED to not grok this stuff (or perhaps it's becuase I'm almost 30 and my brain has turned to sand). It's kinda like trying to go from C to LISP.

    So kids, that's why I recommend that you start growing the synapses now. Start growing the synapses that will help you understand this stuff before the patterns of classical computing cure in your young gray matter.

    (Yeah I love how every reporter goes from: "Fascinating new qubit which is 0 and 1 simultaneously because of spin..." to "...so the qubits add all of the numbers at once to find the asnwer in one step". If you can't explain something in a 5th grade english, you don't understand it.)


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    1. Re:the classically trained are doomed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Introduction to Quantum Mechanics is written by David Griffiths. He is a *very* good author; his texts, like Feynman's, are both readable and deep. If anyone's struggling through a junior level E&M physics course, they might want to take a look at his Introduction to Electrodynamics.

    2. Re:the classically trained are doomed by jsmaby · · Score: 1

      If we want kids to start soaking up QM, may I suggest starting with calculus? Perhaps algebra and trig before that? Don't forget about diffeq, multivariate (partial diffeq too), linear algebra, abstract algebra (just the group theory would be fine), perhaps complex analysis and topology, but that's kind of pushing it. Don't forget to master fortran while you're at it (sorry C lovers, but fortran is still better for this stuff). Then, you can start learning classical physics, theoretical physics, and modern physics. Now you have the background to learn quantum mechanics and understand it without getting lost after 6 chapters. Does it still look like fun? I hope not, because I'm taking QM next semester and I like small class sizes...

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    3. Re:the classically trained are doomed by Sebastopol · · Score: 1

      If we want kids to start soaking up QM, may I suggest starting with calculus?

      I think you missed my point. Right now the basics of QM computations barely exist. It's like we're pre-Turing/Babbage right now, perhaps even pre-Ptolemaic (sp?) w.r.t. QM. It would help to dislodge the predisposition for axiomatic logic through a voluntary effort on the part of anyone motivated to grasp this new science. Dr David Goodstein, in his brillian Mechanical Universe Series, compares all of the old discarded theories to a scaffolding from which new theories are engineered. But he considers his scaffolding benign, whereas I think it is damanging. Yes, I'm a meme-ist.

      BTW, I had every class you mentioned before I left highschool (except topology). My original comment was addressed to aspiring young nerds like my early self. Unfortunately I was derailed in college due to sex and drugs, oh yeaaahhhh...


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    4. Re:the classically trained are doomed by Fyndo · · Score: 1
      Don't forget to master fortran while you're at it (sorry C lovers, but fortran is still better for this stuff).
      C++ is actually better than fortran, I've worked with both, and worked with people who worked with both, and converted my advisor to C++, and really, if you're doing development of code/methods, C++ is vastly more maintainable. (And a pretty good fit, feature-wise, since so much of scientific programming is simulations, and yields well to OO progtamming)
    5. Re:the classically trained are doomed by jsmaby · · Score: 1

      BTW, I had every class you mentioned before I left highschool (except topology)

      My goodness, you had complex analysis in high school?! That's normally a graduate math course (I took it as a topics course (we didn't really cover it very well) my junior year of college). Partial DiffEq too? That's a graduate level course as well (which I have yet to take, although I learned the basics in p-chem). My high school only went up through Calculus (I've heard of some high schools offering a watered down version of linear algebra), and I had a freind (he took calculus as a freshman) who went over to the college for his math classes, and probably got as far as abstract algebra. I envy you for your high school education. I could have completely skiped my undergrad (at least the math major) with those classes.

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    6. Re:the classically trained are doomed by jsmaby · · Score: 1

      Well, you may be right (I don't know C++, so I can't in good faith argue), but I am doing research in quantum chemistry using lots of computational tools. Everything is written in fortran. Take a look at virtually any piece of software written for this subject and you'll see that it's written in fortran. Sometimes they'll use C for a user interface (if there is one), but all the major code is in fortran. Let's say I want to multiply two matricies. How do I do that in C++? Compare f90's way of doing that, and you'll see why fortran is still used so much. I've run a few C++ programs, and have noticed that they always tend to be a bit sluggish. Fortran is written with one view in mind: to crunch numbers. C++ has other interests. There are specialized languages for math, but I've never seen anyone use them. There is a standard in the sciences (math, chemistry, physics, geology, etc. (ok, not CS)), and it's fortran. How well C++ can be used for MPI and PVM? Perhaps just fine (I don't know), but it's quite easy in fortran. I will admit that fortran isn't always portable (I've had troubles with g77), but if a good compiler is used (sorry g77 developers) like SGI's, then things compile and run without a problem. I don't want to get involved in any compiler wars, but will have to go along with fortran as the best for a scientist to learn and use.

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    7. Re:the classically trained are doomed by Sebastopol · · Score: 1


      Busted. Ok, I used a tiny bit of hyperbole, I didn't exactly have "classes" for all of the subjects per se... I took University of Connecticut extensions my senior year as part of an independent study program. I took two semesters: diffeq (1) and complex (2). Keep in mind I didn't need to actually "pass" these classes. I learned basic linear (matrix math, g/j elimination, inverses) Junior year from a very good teacher.

      Like other people who had taken college-level classes in highschool, I took all of these classes again as an undergrad hoping to ace everything, and got boned.


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    8. Re:the classically trained are doomed by Fyndo · · Score: 1
      All the older code is written in fortran, but most of these programs are fairly old. A lot of the newer programs being written are being written in C++, because development is easier there.

      Multiplying 2 matrices in C++ is much easier than in fortran. You find (or write) a decent matrix class and then just write C = A * B (where A, B, and C are all variables of the matrix class). Our Matrix class just calls out to lapack anyway :) C++ can be, and is used, with MPI and PVM (often more easily).

      Fortran may still be the dominant language for scientific programs, but C++ is very rapidly gaining ground.

  53. great!! but......... by Atticka · · Score: 1
    does it run Quake?

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  54. History shows the way... by slothbait · · Score: 4

    I want to calculate solar radiation flux! I want to simulate nuclear detonations! I want to solve the traveling salesman problem for 29 billion routes!

    You know that's exactly the sort of thing that the old Crays were used for. That was back in the day when "supercomputer" meant something, and these beasts only existed in ones and twos in places like Los Alamos, Sandia, and maybe Exxon.

    And back then people thought the exact same things that you are saying now. "Who other than a weapons research lab could possibly use this"? The answer that surprised people is "just about everyone". The Cray-1 may be an inert piece of history now, but it's spirit lives on in our microprocessors. It's not just that modern PC's are as fast as old supercomputers, they are designed like old supercomputers.

    Most innovations in computer architecture in the PC/workstation/server area have been taken from the supercomputers that came before. Surely the original researchers never dreamed that all of the complicated methods they were inventing to speed up supercomputers would wind up running some kid's game -- but they have.

    Modern systems are blazingly fast, yet people continually feel the need to upgrade. In the PC biz, this seems to be driven by games and MS-bloat. Whatever the case, technology marches on, and people are willing to pay for more power. If you have the transistor budget, why not build a supercomputer on a chip? There's a market for it.

    My point (such as it is) is that the hunger for performance shows no sign of stopping. It may seem ridiculous to us that an average person could ever use this much computing power. But bear in mind, that this won't even hit supercomputers for ~20 years. Think what people ~20 years ago would think about the kind of computing power that we use for games today. They would be stunned.

    A little historical perspective, that's all...

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    1. Re:History shows the way... by Acy+James+Stapp · · Score: 1

      Soon all this computing power will BE an average person and vice versa.

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  55. Re:Li'l Computer by Tyriphobe · · Score: 1

    On a related note, what about overclocking? Can I add my own atoms to get better frame rates for Quantum Quake, or do some quantum mechanic-y stuff? Although now instead of crashes if you go too dar, now I guess the CPU undergoes fusion and destroys the neighborhood, or rips the fabric of space-time with similar effects.

  56. 5 atoms for a computer? by ackthpt · · Score: 1

    How soon before it runs 2-bit Linux? ;-)

    Considering the number of atoms to a Mole, it would probably still require the average brick to run windows...

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  57. Java by ben_degonzague · · Score: 1

    I bet java will still run slow on a quantum computer :) -Ben

  58. Quantum cryptography beats quantum cryptanalysis by Fervent · · Score: 3
    In The Code Book, they diagram how quantum cryptography is going to easily beat quantum cryptanalysis.

    True, it's easier to break traditional prime-number based ciphers with quantum machines, but there is an effectively unbreakable cipher which can be built off a quantum computer - one that relies off the position of the atoms used as they fly through refractors that "trap" the states, and a system that relies on public-key ideas to keep that atom key a secret.

    They cite quantum money as a potential example (an idea developed in the 1970s). There are some truly mindblowing consequences to an unbreakable cipher.

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  59. Simula? by n0stra · · Score: 1

    Why must it be a hardware matter? Is there any software simulating the fenomena? Write if so..

  60. Cryptography BS by 11390036 · · Score: 1

    Has anyone here seen the film Casino? Its a great one by the way.

    There is a particular scene between two organized criminals and it is very cryptographic without being encrypted. What they are speaking of is spoken differently than they really mean. A 'meet me at the golf course at 6' really means something like 'gate 55b at the airport at 3am' or something to that effect.

    The point is there is more to cryptography than just standard encryption of messages. I have a feeling agencies like the NSA are going to have access to quantum computing before the rest of the planet, and at that time (unless they haven't already got them in place), keeping communications and personal files secure is going to require an other dimension or 3. This is all theory, so I might just be blowing smoke out of my ass, but I'm sure that some sort of encrypting, encrypted, encrypted, encrypted messaging will be developed, and not just with standard ordered scrambling of data. The messages/algorithms/whatever, assuming they actually meant something to multiple parties that wish to securely communicate (i.e. golf course means gate 55b and 6 means 3am)

  61. Check C|Net Tomorrow by pigpogm · · Score: 2

    What's the betting that there'll be a story on C|Net tomorrow where some IBM research guy claims that they're considering porting Linux to this thing "just to see how small it can scale down"?

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  62. Amazing! by dstone · · Score: 2

    "...unfortunately, we won't see them on the shelves for about 20 years."

    You're predicting we'll be able to see 5 atoms on a shelf in 20 years?!

    Cool! That's a bigger story than the quantum computer!

    1. Re:Amazing! by FroMan · · Score: 1

      Nah, its just going to take 20 years until there is a pile of them large enough to see. Even if they were spitting out thousands of these little buggers a day it will take time to see the actual computers...

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  63. Re:Hmm..... Quantum Computing... by vawlk · · Score: 1

    If you have to reinstall Windows every month then you need to spend a little more time learning how to fix the problems. My machine has not been formatted of reinstalled since DOS 5. Yes there have been hardware upgrades, but never has it been formatted/new install or reinstalled. It now sits as a Win98SE machine that is relativly stable (as far as windows goes).

    Hell, if I had to reinstall once a month, I'd call it WinBlows too.

  64. Wow! by tobam'i · · Score: 1
    Can you imagine a Beowulf cluster of these? Woo!

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  65. You won't see one on a shelf anyway. by wift · · Score: 1

    "...unfortunately, we won't see them on the shelves for about 20 years." Even if there was one on a shelf, you'd need an electron microscope to see it.... I see the support calls now.. 1. Where's the power switch? 2. Where do I put my 5 1/4" floppy disk? 3. Will it run my 1982 accounting program that runs in MS Basic? 4. MS Windows crashed again. Why? and so on. Of course Apple would come out with all sorts of cool colors that no one could see.

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  66. Only 5 qubits? MIT and Los Alamos ran 7 in March by The+Akond+of+Swat · · Score: 1

    see here: http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/tt/2000/mar29/quantu m.html That used NMR to measure the quantum spin of atoms in molecules of a liquid. The same information is stored in all molecules of the liquid, and read by measuring the quantum spin of the liquid as a whole (a form of signal amplification). Incidently, the more atoms you can use in a molecule, the more qubits you get. Consequently, caffiene (which has a bunch of suitable atoms in its molecule) may be the quantum memory of the future (insert ironic note here).

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  67. Quantum Computers and Biology by MattBaggins · · Score: 1

    I have a question I'd like to throw out to the more qualified members of slashdot about quantum computing. What will these computers do for biological studies, particularly DNA sequence analysis or evolutionary studies. Won't these computers make maximum likelyhood and parsimony analysis a snap?
    If anyone is familiar with the mitochondrial Eve studies? Mitochondria samples from 157(?) ethnic groups were compared to establish the most likely clade based upon genetic divergence. This study only tested those models thought to be correct as testing all possible permutations would have supposedly taken a normal computer tens of millions of years to compute. Would this be the kind of question for a quantum computer to solve? How many q-bits would be needed and how long until such a computer is available to the general scientific community?

  68. Programming Quantum Computers? by SecretAsianMan · · Score: 2

    I have to admit first off here that I haven't read up as much as I should about quantum computing. Nontheless, I find myself wondering: what will it be like writing software for a quantum computer? Will quantum machines even be stored-program computers?

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  69. One problem I see lurking . . . by MaxGrant · · Score: 1

    Is hooking up the Schrodinger's Cat to my computer. Will it use Cat 5 cable? Or will there be a higher class for Quantum PC / Quantum Cat interface? And then of course whenever an operation fails or the computer crashes, I have to change the cat, and dispose of the dead one. What a pain in the ass. . .

    1. Re:One problem I see lurking . . . by TechnoNiggah · · Score: 1

      Of course; you won't need Cat anything; with quantum teleportation you won't need cords at all. Maybe this means I can play all my CD's at once?

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  70. Only part of the problem by kallisti · · Score: 1
    But doesn't this make a quantum DOS ridiculously easy? In order to keep the quantum entanglements, the exact same photons need to be sent to the receiver. IP obviously won't work here. There will probably be only a few channels in which to send the message. An attacker simply needs to put a tap into those channels. Yes, the receiver knows that eavedropping has occurred, but what can they do about it?

    Also, the other nifty uses for public-key, such as digital cash, zero-knowledge proofs, and digital signatures will be lost. I don't know if elliptic curve has the same vulnerability as factoring primes, so we might be able to keep some of this.

    Also, don't forget that creating a machine to crack today's crypto will be faster that rolling out an entirely new network for the new quantum crypto. For a while, everything will be transparent, and what do we do during that time?

    1. Re:Only part of the problem by ponxx · · Score: 1
      Quantum cryptography will only run between two points, i can't see how you could route it through a complex network! (well, maybe you can somehow, but you would need some pretty obscure hardware). And yes, if someone has access to your secure line, it is trivially easy to disrupt sending messages. On the other hand, he might as well just cut the cable...

      The only point of Quantum Encryption is that you have a secure line between two points. You can find out if there is an eavesdropper while sending your key. If you know there wasn't you can send your encrypted message. I don't think symmetric keys are vulnerable to Quantum Cryptoanalysis. It is only public key systems, where the information to encrypt the messages is available to the eavesdropper, that might have drastically reduce difficulty of being cracked...

      But anyway, your point was that it will be difficult to have an efficient encryption system on the net, if these quantum computers work, and I completely agree! If you just want to talk to your bank, they can send you a CD to use as a one-time-pad for absolute security, but if you want to log on to some random secure server (say amazon payments), I can't really see an alternative to public key systems...

  71. Just 5 Atoms? by ph117 · · Score: 1

    So where's the QNX port?

  72. Re:Once again Perl way out front - Wrong! Prolog by RedLaggedTeut · · Score: 1

    That is a nice module. But THE programming language to use will be prolog, because it already works by the paradigm that would be used to program quantum computer: describe the rules behind the problem, fix those variables you know, and the solution finds itself.

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  73. Could it pass the Turing Test? by gelfling · · Score: 2

    All those cycles...hmmm could it be sentient? Starting to sound a little like Sid 6.7.

  74. Why normal computers can't simulate quantum ones. by Felipe+Hoffa · · Score: 1

    I think you can find the answer in Roger Penrose's "The Emperor's New Mind".

    The main point of that book is that a computer will never be able to "think" like a human. He demonstrate this in a very mathematical way, using Turing machines. This part of the book is very "mathematical" and its conclusions must be regarded as true.

    The second part of the book is more speculative, where Penrose speculates human brains work with quantum physics principles.

    There's another book where Penrose and Stephen Hawkings discuss his point of view.

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  75. P=NP by Undaar · · Score: 2

    Maybe this will finally help me solve P=NP...

    Right now my solution:
    P=NP where N=1 just doesn't seem to work...

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  76. Crypto has many uses by burris · · Score: 2
    It is true that a quantum computer wourld basically render all crypto schemes in use today obsolete. However, along with the advent of quantum computing comes a crypto that is unbreakable.
    Crypto has many uses aside from strict confidentiality. It is also useful for authentication. Sending messages to people you've never met (web-of-trust). Digital cash. ...and more. So the "quantum cryptography" isn't a replacement for the types of cryptography that are impacted by quantum computing (namely public key systems).

    Burris

  77. OK, someone has it in for me... by Drog · · Score: 1

    Sigh. I submitted this story early this morning and it was promptly rejected. This seems to happen a lot. So forget it, I'm not submitting stories anymore. In fact, I think I'll make my OWN site to post my stories. Yeah, that's it...

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  78. Re:Why normal computers can't simulate quantum one by SteveM · · Score: 2

    This part of the book is very "mathematical" and its conclusions must be regarded as true.

    Actually, many reseachers, in both physics and AI, do not regard it is true. And the question of "intelligent computers" is still an open one.

    Just because something is mathematical doesn't make it true. It may follow from the assumptions, but it is Penrose's assumptions that are in dispute.

    See Dennet's Consciousness Explained for an example of a viewpoint opposed to Penrose's.

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  79. NMR is dead end for QC by homunq · · Score: 2

    This "quantum computer" is actually a vial full of mole quantities of different quantum computers. You poke at them with radio waves to program them and then use an NMR to read the results, which are a vote by all of the molecules.

    That's fine, as long as 10^23 votes is enough to overwhelm any errors. But for a serious number of qubits, the unavoidable chance of quantum bitflip in each atom means that eventually less than one of those 10^23 molecules is in the correct starting state. Perhaps you can solve this by quantum error correction - the algorithms aren't worked out yet - but that multiplies the number of bits needed for a given problem by a factor of (provably) 2 or (probably) 3. Then you have the problem that any operation can only involve closely neighboring bits; to add register A to register C requires huge numbers of operations to shuffle with register B. Finally, to read or write to any given bit, you need a unique frequency to address that bit. With hundreds of bits, only a few can possibly have frequencies that stand out enough. These problems, combined, add one or more factors of N to the resources necessary; it's still polynomial, but...

    Quantum dots - single particles, NOT entire atoms, confined electrically to a single quantum state - are more hopeful. Because they can be physically rearranged or put in more complex configurations and still physically addressed on an individual basis, the problems above go away or become more manageable.

    1. Re:NMR is dead end for QC by Colel · · Score: 1

      Any success with quantum dots QC? Or any other site-selective quantum computer? ------------------------ Serge Makarov sergemakarov@hotmail.com

    2. Re:NMR is dead end for QC by homunq · · Score: 1

      I think they're still at the level of one operation on two qubits (AFAIK) which nobody really counts as QC. (NMR was there ~15 years ago.) But NMR is vacuum tubes - the only way to do things now, but destined to die quickly when the next thing comes around. The next thing may or may not be quantum dots, that's just a guess, but I'll wager lots that the first 1K quantum computer will not be a bulk system of nuclear spins coupled through chemical bonds. If it has even one of those 3 attributes I'd be surprised.

  80. Re:Li'l Computer by arielb · · Score: 1

    well with th geforce 2 ultra giving you 60 fps at 1600X1200 32 bit color...not sure why you'd need Quake to run faster than that...

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  81. The Fabric of Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    David Deutsch (an Oxford physicist) wrote The Fabric of Reality: The Science of Parallel Universes - And Its Implications, a book which discusses his proposed "Theory of Everything" that combines quantum theory, evolution, computation and epistemology (the theory of knowledge) into an attempt at a unified means of explaining everything that can be explained. He argues persuasively that interference effects in quantum physics are convincing evidence of parallel universes, and his contention is that quantum computing involves enormous numbers (e.g. 10 to the 100th power) of parallel universes cooperating (via interference effects) to perform massively parallel computations, and that cryptography depending on difficult computations (such as factoring large numbers) will suddenly become tractable computations (even by brute force) when the quantum computers and algorithms get sophisticated enough. That 2048-bit RSA key you may have generated may not be ultimately as secure as you thought... It's an interesting book that's worth reading. Just make sure you're prepared to think about it when you read it!

  82. Quantum Perl Module by jthm · · Score: 1
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  83. HUP and Schrodinger by JammmGrrl · · Score: 1

    Yes, but how do you know it's really there?

    Can you imagine the bugs on this thing? Instead of 1+1=1.99938427, 1+1 would = 1.99938427, OR 3.27329436 OR 2.489302434, depending on what method you use to observe the answer. You could know either the momentum of the answer OR the location of the answer, but never both at the same time!

    And wouldn't the computer travel in the form of a wave and a particle? How do you put a wave into your carry-on luggage??

    The implications are staggering!

  84. Re:Hmm..... Quantum Computing... by jsmaby · · Score: 1

    I doubt if linux or windows will exist in 20 years. I bet there will be something completely different. 20 years is a long time, and anything can happen.

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  85. Yeah, but... by WhippetSoftly · · Score: 1

    It will still take two minutes to boot up Win2020!

  86. Re:Quantum cryptography beats quantum cryptanalysi by randombit · · Score: 1

    one that relies off the position of the atoms used as they fly through refractors that "trap" the states, and a system that relies on public-key ideas to keep that atom key a secret.

    Problem is that, AFAIK, these schemes require special lines between you and whatever you want to connect to (otherwise you have no way of keeping the quanta you send in the right states). Perfect for, say, communication between a satellite and a ground station (presuming you can figure out how to get the quanta there without getting messed up by solar radiation or whatever), or between CIA and NSA headquarters, or whatever, but it will not be useful, say, over an CAT5 lines.

    And even if someone figures out how to send the data through normal lines without messing it up (which doesn't seem too likely, but anyway...), you'd need special hardware to examine the quanta as they come in and decode them. That isn't going to make it too popular: hell, virtually nobody buys those Ethernet cards with 3DES built in, and those can interoperate with software versions easily.

    They cite quantum money as a potential example (an idea developed in the 1970s)

    Personally, I'd be happy with Chaum's anonymous digital cash. Now if only the stuff wasn't patented. :(

  87. Actually, it is ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1



    I am afraid "NOBODY MOVE !" isn't quite enough.

    If someone drops the 5-atoms computer, it then should be "NOBODY BREATH !"

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  88. Why... by odessa · · Score: 1

    ...does the thought of microsoft 2020 running on a series of atoms fill me with fear and dread. Discuss.