And 9/11, well I've been accused of it before....:)
I just don't understand why these things happen here now, there USED to be integrity in regards to people's opinions and thoughts, there used to be thoughful discussion and if someone disagreed with your view, they would debate you, not flame you and get their buddies with MOD points to mod you into -10 hell, but that was long ago, now a new generation of knuckleheads are flaming/trolling this site, or incorrectly modding people they disagree with into oblivion, and everyone somehow thinks that is OKAY, because instead of you being "RA RA I HATES THE RIAAS TOO AND WANT THEM TO SUX IT AND ALSO OMG PONIES!!!" you merely mention that the mundane minuate detail reporting on this subject being splased all over the front page becomes meddlesome, you get called a "shill" and berated, I had to step up for that, and to say to all the kiddies who type before they think, there is always going to be more KOOl-AID for you to drink, so just keep chugging!
I find it interesting to be kept abreast of this issue as well, but to see it being soooo readily picked apart, and studied, and discussed, while there are other MAJOR things going on, well it just seems a bit silly, I mean FARK outdid SLASHDOT in regards to discussions on how the Internet was making an impact on the IRAN conflict....well that's just whacked........
I concur with your thought process, and also, in reading the thread down through, think it is a good idea to give the RIAA it's own section. Then you can allow the RIAA-phites to get their daily fix, while keeping the front page diverse.
I understand the whys of how it is always being reported on, but don't understand the thought process behind the editors of this site frequently populating the front page with articles related to an agency that is well known/hated on this site, and promotes the same conversations, from the same people, promoting the same ideals and moralities, through almost identicle threads with the same monotony of names sprouting the same party line b.s that was spouted 6 stories back.
We get it, and we all understand the importance of fighting against the RIAA, but to verbally attack whiledo for simply stating that this dead horse has been flogged enough, well, I thought we were supposed to be intellectuals (thus the "News for NERDS" byline) who discussed a wide variety of ("STUFF THAT MATTERS")
It reminds me of when I first started coming here, and the M$ (nostalgia is the only reason for the "$" sign btw) bashing was going full force! then shifted gears to fights over KDE vs. GNOME, then bashings over the 2000 and 2004 elections (which was awesome)....but one thing happened, those discussions were had, and then STOPPED. However I'm pretty sure discussions regarding the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/software piracy was still talked about a lot THEN......how can you not see the Parent's point?
I think that is a pretty cool idea, what better way to get your average 16 year old chucklehead to pay attention and not drive head on into my mom on the road, then to remind him that getting in accidents cause signs to bleed at random in New Zealand...........and also forces people to kill cute puppies and kittens.........
Damn kids! get off my lawn!
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"I've just been Diagnosed with Hepatitis C (AIDS,Clamydia, etc)"
"I just found out I'm pregnant"
"My (insert favorite relative) just died"
"My birthday is tomorrow"
"I just got in a car accident"
"I'm choking (seizing, having a heart attack/stroke, killing myself) send help"
"Has anyone seen my purse (keys/dog/kid/spouse etc)"
Those are all some pretty significant frickin things to find out about, and lemme tell ya, I guarantee someone has found out they need to be STD tested via a tweet, or found out they need to have a paternity test done, etc via tweet
Not that those things are "good" or "moral" or "intelligent", but take any random sampling of 20 people you find on the street and find more than 30% of those people that ARE good or moral or intelligent......your average Joe is an unconcerned, uncompassionate, stupid douche bag.....thus is life
I can relate to the kind of situation you've found yourself in. However, I found that you can get pretty creative when it comes to squeezing in some cardio WHILE AT WORK!
Try parking in a spot as far away from the building as possible, do this everyday and just those added steps help make a difference. Also make sure that if you are given constant steady 10+min breaks, walk around your building/parking lot and that will make a difference as well. Use fax machines/copiers/bathrooms that are as far away from your current seat as possible, eat a good breakfast in the morning and find something high in fiber for snacks throughout the day (which will also make you find a bathroom more often, which in turn will help combat fiber deficiency issues!).
Also, there is also the frequently stated, "make time", even if you only walk 20 mins in the morning or at night (preferably both) that as well makes a difference.
Good luck, I know it sucks, but try a few of those and I'll bet it'll help
I think it stands to reason that in order to promote change in industries entrenched in Massive fossil fuel consumption, you have to dangle either a very big and delicious carrot, or have one hell of a punishment system for excessive use of said fuels.
The punishment route would have to be ridiculous in order to be effective, and I would think any kind of Carbon credit system would have to offer enough appeal to make the cost of trading in Carbon credits relevant to the cost associated with finding alternate fuel sources, which I think is a task in and of itself, thus the article mentioned above, the EU seems to have failed at it, and if we start it off wrong, we'll be in the same boat they're in, which is an "Epic Fail" and will be very hard to re-vamp in order to make it more palatable.
'They describe where they are in a market under a kind of a fairy-tale spun gloss that doesn't reflect their dominance of key sectors,' said Jeff Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy. 'Google search is an absolute must-have for every marketer in the world.'"
This makes me wonder, 1. Isn't "An absolute must-have" kind of the point of creating, promoting, and maintaining anything in a modern economy, and 2. SO WHAT?!?! Google, while a gargantuan entity in the Search and On-Line AD world, doesn't employ tactics that scream anti-trust to me just see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=yahoo&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10, I mean they link to their competitor's very prominently in their own search terms. Do you picture Mircosoft linking to Apple? Probably not.
I think people in general need to understand, that the more and more we attempt to stifle large companies, the more you are also stifling Innovation, which is the lifeblood of technological advancement. We need to be able to promote innovation without worrying people that their successes will be capped out as soon as some loser company decides to start rattling the anti-trust sabre at them. I think Google is a wonderful company, that has not only an excellant suite of products, but has also shown true innovation in a field dominated by innovation. They survived the dot-com bubble burst, they have an enormous philanthropic entity, and they provide their end-users with products that are not only top of the line, but in some cases even open sourced.
They should be lauded, not trampled by an outdated set of theories regarding anti-trust, since those same laws and regulations were set in place in a time period when competition WAS scarce, and the lack of communication and innovation technologies were lax at best. I highly dought we'll ever see another Big Oil, or Big Railroad, or Big Business again in the sense of the businesses that were around that spawned the need for such laws.
except that Morphine is produced from the Milk of the poppy, which can be directly ingested in the case of a Wallaby eating a poppy, it would be similar to a human eating 80mg of pure Morphine Sulphate, i.e pretty strong.
Don't get involved, because apart from anything else, you are not on record as having intervened in a single foreign country, (except, maybe, during WW2) where it actually worked out well, for either you, or the other country involved. Vietnam was a mess, and Iraq largely has been both times. Do you really think Iran won't be?
Wow, we "may" have helped in WW2? You are an idiot, an anti-American zealot, and basically an a55hole, if you can't even give America any grudging credit for bailing essentially the entire European continent out of the fire (for a second time)
America TRIED isolationism, we made an honest, nationalist effort to stay away, just read up on Fortress America or American Isolationism in the beginning of the 20th century to get some insight into that.
It's funny, you get all p1ssy when you read about American "involvement" in foreign countries internal policies, but I can PROMISE YOU that whatever nation had the mis-fortune of having you as it's citizen, has been involved in foreign intelligence gathering/manipulation/ out and out acts of clandestine war. It's the nature of the Modern Imperial beast, and no "non 3rd world nation" hasn't commited those acts to some degree.
You, and your ilk need to pull your head out of your a55 sometime and understand that America would be happy to stay out of the world's problems but the world won't let us. ALSO! would you have us sit by and allow another 10 million of so Jews be exterminated? or maybe at least try to help duly elected democratic nations try to fend off the yoke of Communism when it was trying to assimilate countries like Vietnam or Korea.
And no, I'm not ignorant enough to think that any nations is just begging big ole' America to come save them, but how much can we sit idle through, while being accused of not doing enough! before we have to come out of isolation and do something about it?
Look at modern history, Pearl Harbor pulled us into WW2, France being attacked in Vietnam sucked our interest in there, Iraq invades Kuwait who came to US FOR AID, and then 9/11 happens, which forces us to retaliate and attack Iraq/Afghanistan (which I don't really agree with either, but we most certainly can't allow THOUSANDS of American citizens die on our own soil and NOT do something).
Ask yourself how indignant you'd be about us, (and yes I am assuming you live somewhere in Europe) if we had allowed the Nazis to swallow Europe whole, basically wipe out the Jewish population, Euthanize non-aryans, and subjugate all modern Westernized nations into a totalitarian Hitler-led empire. I bet you would complain then about us NOT doing anything to help, though I would doubt you'd have ever been born, or be able to go on the Internet, or even have enough well being to have the luxury to give a sh1t about Iran............
Unfortunetly, those "Heroics" are what gives us job stability. Management and the common user has no way to understand that preventative measurements have saved their 4ss from the proverbial fires for long time.
As you refine your work flows, and "work to make your department obsolete" you may actually succeed and that is NOT a good thing when you have a family to feed. Thus we allow things to slip through to show our fellows in the company that we are in fact doing something
Pretty sad, but you all know it's true, and just ask anyone you know in Production Maintenance on if they perform their own preventative maintenance, see how many nano-seconds it takes for them to chuckle
Again, and this is a tired point I've been trying to make, I DISAGREE with silly social meanderings into vigilantism. However, to see people pilloried over the idea that dissidentism and Vigilante justice has no honorable or reasonable place in the world is simply the base presumption that will allow all the rights you hold dear to be taken away.
If and when our government decides to take away our free speech or right to bear arms, a minority (10% or less) or our citizenry has the audacity to stand up and fight (through current popular opinion) that is sad....simple. Our Parents, (the Great Generation) would truly be ashamed of how much we let slide for soooo little gain.
And I'd take Somalia anyday over China, anarchy, though silly and adolescent is a F#@$ load more appealing to me than being part of a nation (the largest on Earth) that lets their basic human rights be swallowed whole by a sadistic regime spearheaded by people who spout ideaology and live in decadence while their people die by the thousands.
If they were truly interested in justice, as they claim, they would petition the Communist Party to step up
Yeah, that works really well for most people who attempt to question the Chinese rhetoric, or anything that China considers to be it's soverign rights. As I had pointed out in other threads in this debate, just go to Wikipedia, look up Tianamen Square, and come back here, after reading how the government treated people who were fighting for HUMAN RIGHTS, and tell me you have that same opinion. And if you still do?!?! than pack you bags and move to Myanmar where you belong
Cowards and pacifists are the true perpetuators of everything that is heinous in my opinion because there is nothing more disgraceful than a group of good people who sit idle while something truly evil is happening.
The truly sad thing is that people can cherry pick words in a debate, mis-perceive all apparent intent, and attempt to turn the other point of view into some kind of Neanderthal who wants to just hit everything with a big stick to solve all problems. No one I have seen in this thread or anywhere else has said "Violence solves everything" and you not only also have to take into account the level of intelligence of your common/. (meme it up) but also you have to somehow rationalize this with people who say (and are lauded here for it) that they would KILL spammers, or members of the RIAA
Think about that for a sec, it's okay for people (in this case MOBS of Slashdotters) to advocate a discussion of murdering "Spam Kings, and Copyright Czars" but if someone dare say they would stand up for something that actually had value in everyday life (like say their family, or the fact that someone else committing murder for no reason is wrong)they get punced on, called an idiot, and apparently tagged as flaimbait.
Thats stupid, and if anyone still modding this thread cares enough to mod me a troll for saying it than do so, I have the Karma to burn.
People are pathetic when they see no reason to stand up for or defend against evil, all you are doing is allowing it to happen, I'm just glad not everyone is like the apparent majority of people here in this discussion!
Are you honestly trying to demean a debate to the point that you are portraying me as I consider the killing of my dog on par with the American Revolution?
You've missed the point, violence is never the ONLY answer, but is also the acceptable last resort in the appropriate situation. If you disagree that's fine, but qouting our nation's most famous document is petty and unneccasry, and if you need to debase everything to a minute detail than I'll leave you to your own devices.
Take things to the true scale of the discussion man, I'm not talking about making war on America because of the murder of my puppy, I'm talking about defending what I hold dear, Scale it up, and I would pick up a rifle and defend my home from an invader, be they foreign or domestic. I think anyone who thinks that mentality is ugly or beneath them is not only a coward (as I intimated before) but also a signifcant part of the problem of the world today, no one holds anything at all dear enough to defend it because they are soooo concerned with the "PCness" of their actions that they allow themselves to be pilloried by the public popular perception (say THAT 5 times fast).
Everything that you hold dear, be it your (obviously higher than mine) morality, or your ideology, or what have you, was given to you, fought for in your absense, and kept safe by, people that....and I know it isn't "okay" anymore to say this, FOUGHT for that right. You can argue details until you turn blue in the face, but bare bones logical thought at ANY level has ALWAYS been "I think that is bad enough to stop, I will attempt to reason with the provocatur of said bad event, and if, through diplomacy I can affect a positive outcome than great!, but if something BAD happens, and continues to be bad, and worse, and horrible, then I will stop it by force if words are of no avail"
So go ahead, trasport yourself back to the 30's and be a pacifist, and think that through your slanted PC ideology you in some way impact anyone's beleif that it is sometimes OK to fight for what you hold dear, than know I pity you.
You're a coward, and I would find myself at a loss (though it would thankfully never happen) to know you, because if you wouldn't defend yourself, or your family, or your friends, than you are truly a sad pathetic......
If you truly think Revolution (See the American Revoultion, i.e no taxation without proper representation) isn't justice, and Civil War (see even Our Civil War, i.e though a byproduct, slavery was demolished) isn't justice, than ask your local African American friend if he thinks the North, who freed his Great Great Great Grandfather, were unjust in their fight. Merely ask yourself about paying taxes on something that you as a constituent had no power over, because you had no one representing you in government. Those are both matters of "justice" to the nth degree my friend. I may not agree with limited petty social campaigns against regular citizens, but to here people say that disidents, vigilantes, and revolutionaires of all flavors should be painted with the same brush as the spineless fools, then I tend to want to say "Hey, not cool"
Those same idiots in China could have easily put their efforts to better use, like finding a way for the citizenry of their localities to find ways around the Great Firewall, or even to find information on things like Tianamen, so that the next generation of Chinese citizens are saved from knowing nothing besides the current regime or about how people before them fought for certain freedoms that most people in China today probably don't know exist.
I do understand that the devil is in the details, however who is to say what is or isn't right for ANYONE be they victim or vigilante, and yes I can see your "but the Nazis!" BS on the horizon, I ask you that question with full intent on honest thought, not merely looking for ways to snipe my details. I would expect people to have a base understanding that evil is inherant and absolute to a degree, killing kittens = bad killing 8 million innocent Jewish citizens = REALLY frickin bad. But to say that I took the law into my own hands to protect my family or friends from certain demise = bad, well I honestly couldn't care, no matter what any nameless faceless, 6 digit UID having entity on/. says
If you killed my dog, posted it onto YouTube while doing it, and then thought that I wouldn't try to find you, with a group of 10-20 friends all very much upset that our little friend was killed by YOUR stupid 4ss, then you have another thing coming, and I'd die before I allowed you to do that and only get fined, and maybe spend 6 months on probation....I would hurt you, and laugh for the 8 months I spent in jail for aggravated assault.
Now ask yourself if the roles were reversed.....I tell ya what, if I kill someone's friend/family member/pet....and was then stupid enough to tape it and post it online....I'd expect someone to try to find me real quick...and wouldn't blame them.....would you?
I would most certainly rather have my future in the hands of a collection of people, than in the hands of one pissed off, old, Menopause inbued, psychotic judge, who on her way to MY criminal trial, got splashed by a puddle, spilled her coffee on her moomoo and then got called right before entering her courtroom by her husband who had just decided to leave her fat old smelly 4ss because he was sick of her judging HIM all the time.....You look yourself in the mirror and admit without a smirk that that situation could happen to more than any 2 random people in a vigilante mob.
If it weren't for "angry mobs" truly ask yourself what in histroy would have never happened.
What comes to mind? Boston Tea Party The American Revolution The fall of Communism in the USSR (and subsequent breaking down of the Berlin Wall...sure looked like a mob to me) Tianamen Square and the attempt at democracy in China The Jewish folks that tried to prevent the Holocaust from happening (and in turn died FIRST for their beleifs)
You go look one of the Student Disidents from Tianamen in the face and tell him he was merely a criminal, and had no right to protest the Human Rights Abuses that ARE STILL HAPPENING to this day
See if he could give 2 flying f%#$ how you or anyone else feels about vigilanteism
Not sure if you are writing this from a country besides the US, but here, vigilantism is not met with a lack of punishment for the offender. It is illegal to enact certain "justices" outside the realm of law enforcement. However to compare a group of people finding an animal abuser (which is also a precursor to human abuse/murder/serial killers) to people in the South lynching "dem #$%^#$ers" is flaimbait at best.
For one thing, you deny justice to a group of individuals for too long, they WILL take it into their own hands, two how do you think laws and values and morals came into being? It wasn't just plopped down to us like Prometheus and Fire....three I ask you, "SO WHAT?" I think if a crime is commited, and I can respond to it in a way that will prevent further loss of life, realty, property, et al. before anyone else can, then I will. You'll notice that in cities like New York it is now a CRIME to ignore a crime in progress (Good Samaratin law) There is a reason for that, people like those in this thread who think vigilantism has no cause in society. I say to you that the LACK thereof is a big factor in our complete slide into a pit of hedonistic, self aggrandizing filth that is our current state of affairs, and that when people don't take a stand for what they feel is right (or against what is wrong) then you merely have a group of good people doing NOTHING to change the course of events (see the US during the beginning stages of either World War) Pacifism is not the answer, nor will it ever be, just read a history book for more reasons why.
I don't see why people would think that Sun, or Oracle for that matter, would want their ineptness broadcast to the world, when the only benefit from doing so would be for others (their competitors especially) to learn from said mistakes. It would be like them saying "Hey IBM, here is a list of what NOT to do in the future." I seriously doubt Oracle would enjoy giving people a play book of things to avoid, as opposed to hoping those mistakes WERE repeated. If anything they should create a list of "mistakes" that they've invented that would help them in regards to their competition reading it, as opposed to hurting themselves.
Alright for one thing. I understand that various ports of call will not allow armed vessels to enter their ports. However, why not find some entrepreneurial company who would supply armed escorts over the Open Sea in international waters to escort these vessels? I would think you could easily find ports where you COULD dock those ships for re-fueling and re-fitting and then simply have them escort those vessels right up to the vessels destination without having to enter their territorial waters.
For another thing, it's bad enough that America has been inundated with Somali immigrants who are un-willing to follow in the footsteps of other immigrants to this country and at least conform to our LANGUAGE at the least, but now, we need to cope with the fact that their nation has deteriorated into anarchy and is allowing their "citizens" to attack international shipping with no fear of concern or reprisal? What ever happened to how we used to deal with Piracy. You used to have to "fly the flag" of your nation, and any ship not representing would be considered hostile until their intent could be determined. Also, any attack on British shipping was met with an initial defense of the ship, followed by the British Navy dispatching warships to the region to hunt the pirates. Now we have to sit back and watch our shipping be decimated by SOMALI PIRATES!!! these people can't even run their own country, so what are we worried about? They attack our ship, we bombard their coastline for a week or two and then......NOTHING no more pirates, and no reprisal from Somalia because what "army" or "navy" could they even put in the field? None.
People need to stop being sooooooo frickin PC and start defending their interests, especially in INTERNATIONAL waters.
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AN RIAA shill! ha
And 9/11, well I've been accused of it before.... :)
I just don't understand why these things happen here now, there USED to be integrity in regards to people's opinions and thoughts, there used to be thoughful discussion and if someone disagreed with your view, they would debate you, not flame you and get their buddies with MOD points to mod you into -10 hell, but that was long ago, now a new generation of knuckleheads are flaming/trolling this site, or incorrectly modding people they disagree with into oblivion, and everyone somehow thinks that is OKAY, because instead of you being "RA RA I HATES THE RIAAS TOO AND WANT THEM TO SUX IT AND ALSO OMG PONIES!!!" you merely mention that the mundane minuate detail reporting on this subject being splased all over the front page becomes meddlesome, you get called a "shill" and berated, I had to step up for that, and to say to all the kiddies who type before they think, there is always going to be more KOOl-AID for you to drink, so just keep chugging!
I find it interesting to be kept abreast of this issue as well, but to see it being soooo readily picked apart, and studied, and discussed, while there are other MAJOR things going on, well it just seems a bit silly, I mean FARK outdid SLASHDOT in regards to discussions on how the Internet was making an impact on the IRAN conflict....well that's just whacked........
I concur with your thought process, and also, in reading the thread down through, think it is a good idea to give the RIAA it's own section. Then you can allow the RIAA-phites to get their daily fix, while keeping the front page diverse.
I understand the whys of how it is always being reported on, but don't understand the thought process behind the editors of this site frequently populating the front page with articles related to an agency that is well known/hated on this site, and promotes the same conversations, from the same people, promoting the same ideals and moralities, through almost identicle threads with the same monotony of names sprouting the same party line b.s that was spouted 6 stories back.
YOU.....ARE.....PREACHING.........TO......THE......CHOIR!
We get it, and we all understand the importance of fighting against the RIAA, but to verbally attack whiledo for simply stating that this dead horse has been flogged enough, well, I thought we were supposed to be intellectuals (thus the "News for NERDS" byline) who discussed a wide variety of ("STUFF THAT MATTERS")
It reminds me of when I first started coming here, and the M$ (nostalgia is the only reason for the "$" sign btw) bashing was going full force! then shifted gears to fights over KDE vs. GNOME, then bashings over the 2000 and 2004 elections (which was awesome)....but one thing happened, those discussions were had, and then STOPPED. However I'm pretty sure discussions regarding the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/software piracy was still talked about a lot THEN......how can you not see the Parent's point?
I think that is a pretty cool idea, what better way to get your average 16 year old chucklehead to pay attention and not drive head on into my mom on the road, then to remind him that getting in accidents cause signs to bleed at random in New Zealand...........and also forces people to kill cute puppies and kittens.........
Damn kids! get off my lawn!
"I've just been Diagnosed with Hepatitis C (AIDS,Clamydia, etc)"
"I just found out I'm pregnant"
"My (insert favorite relative) just died"
"My birthday is tomorrow"
"I just got in a car accident"
"I'm choking (seizing, having a heart attack/stroke, killing myself) send help"
"Has anyone seen my purse (keys/dog/kid/spouse etc)"
Those are all some pretty significant frickin things to find out about, and lemme tell ya, I guarantee someone has found out they need to be STD tested via a tweet, or found out they need to have a paternity test done, etc via tweet
Not that those things are "good" or "moral" or "intelligent", but take any random sampling of 20 people you find on the street and find more than 30% of those people that ARE good or moral or intelligent......your average Joe is an unconcerned, uncompassionate, stupid douche bag.....thus is life
I would buy all of your theoretical books and would also be willing to subscribe to your newsletter!
I can relate to the kind of situation you've found yourself in. However, I found that you can get pretty creative when it comes to squeezing in some cardio WHILE AT WORK!
Try parking in a spot as far away from the building as possible, do this everyday and just those added steps help make a difference. Also make sure that if you are given constant steady 10+min breaks, walk around your building/parking lot and that will make a difference as well. Use fax machines/copiers/bathrooms that are as far away from your current seat as possible, eat a good breakfast in the morning and find something high in fiber for snacks throughout the day (which will also make you find a bathroom more often, which in turn will help combat fiber deficiency issues!).
Also, there is also the frequently stated, "make time", even if you only walk 20 mins in the morning or at night (preferably both) that as well makes a difference.
Good luck, I know it sucks, but try a few of those and I'll bet it'll help
Anything worth doing is worth doing right!
I think it stands to reason that in order to promote change in industries entrenched in Massive fossil fuel consumption, you have to dangle either a very big and delicious carrot, or have one hell of a punishment system for excessive use of said fuels.
The punishment route would have to be ridiculous in order to be effective, and I would think any kind of Carbon credit system would have to offer enough appeal to make the cost of trading in Carbon credits relevant to the cost associated with finding alternate fuel sources, which I think is a task in and of itself, thus the article mentioned above, the EU seems to have failed at it, and if we start it off wrong, we'll be in the same boat they're in, which is an "Epic Fail" and will be very hard to re-vamp in order to make it more palatable.
'They describe where they are in a market under a kind of a fairy-tale spun gloss that doesn't reflect their dominance of key sectors,' said Jeff Chester, executive director of the Center for Digital Democracy. 'Google search is an absolute must-have for every marketer in the world.'"
This makes me wonder, 1. Isn't "An absolute must-have" kind of the point of creating, promoting, and maintaining anything in a modern economy, and 2. SO WHAT?!?! Google, while a gargantuan entity in the Search and On-Line AD world, doesn't employ tactics that scream anti-trust to me just see http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=yahoo&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g10, I mean they link to their competitor's very prominently in their own search terms. Do you picture Mircosoft linking to Apple? Probably not.
I think people in general need to understand, that the more and more we attempt to stifle large companies, the more you are also stifling Innovation, which is the lifeblood of technological advancement. We need to be able to promote innovation without worrying people that their successes will be capped out as soon as some loser company decides to start rattling the anti-trust sabre at them. I think Google is a wonderful company, that has not only an excellant suite of products, but has also shown true innovation in a field dominated by innovation. They survived the dot-com bubble burst, they have an enormous philanthropic entity, and they provide their end-users with products that are not only top of the line, but in some cases even open sourced.
They should be lauded, not trampled by an outdated set of theories regarding anti-trust, since those same laws and regulations were set in place in a time period when competition WAS scarce, and the lack of communication and innovation technologies were lax at best. I highly dought we'll ever see another Big Oil, or Big Railroad, or Big Business again in the sense of the businesses that were around that spawned the need for such laws.
except that Morphine is produced from the Milk of the poppy, which can be directly ingested in the case of a Wallaby eating a poppy, it would be similar to a human eating 80mg of pure Morphine Sulphate, i.e pretty strong.
Don't get involved, because apart from anything else, you are not on record as having intervened in a single foreign country, (except, maybe, during WW2) where it actually worked out well, for either you, or the other country involved. Vietnam was a mess, and Iraq largely has been both times. Do you really think Iran won't be?
Wow, we "may" have helped in WW2? You are an idiot, an anti-American zealot, and basically an a55hole, if you can't even give America any grudging credit for bailing essentially the entire European continent out of the fire (for a second time)
America TRIED isolationism, we made an honest, nationalist effort to stay away, just read up on Fortress America or American Isolationism in the beginning of the 20th century to get some insight into that.
It's funny, you get all p1ssy when you read about American "involvement" in foreign countries internal policies, but I can PROMISE YOU that whatever nation had the mis-fortune of having you as it's citizen, has been involved in foreign intelligence gathering/manipulation/ out and out acts of clandestine war. It's the nature of the Modern Imperial beast, and no "non 3rd world nation" hasn't commited those acts to some degree.
You, and your ilk need to pull your head out of your a55 sometime and understand that America would be happy to stay out of the world's problems but the world won't let us. ALSO! would you have us sit by and allow another 10 million of so Jews be exterminated? or maybe at least try to help duly elected democratic nations try to fend off the yoke of Communism when it was trying to assimilate countries like Vietnam or Korea.
And no, I'm not ignorant enough to think that any nations is just begging big ole' America to come save them, but how much can we sit idle through, while being accused of not doing enough! before we have to come out of isolation and do something about it?
Look at modern history, Pearl Harbor pulled us into WW2, France being attacked in Vietnam sucked our interest in there, Iraq invades Kuwait who came to US FOR AID, and then 9/11 happens, which forces us to retaliate and attack Iraq/Afghanistan (which I don't really agree with either, but we most certainly can't allow THOUSANDS of American citizens die on our own soil and NOT do something).
Ask yourself how indignant you'd be about us, (and yes I am assuming you live somewhere in Europe) if we had allowed the Nazis to swallow Europe whole, basically wipe out the Jewish population, Euthanize non-aryans, and subjugate all modern Westernized nations into a totalitarian Hitler-led empire. I bet you would complain then about us NOT doing anything to help, though I would doubt you'd have ever been born, or be able to go on the Internet, or even have enough well being to have the luxury to give a sh1t about Iran............
Unfortunetly, those "Heroics" are what gives us job stability. Management and the common user has no way to understand that preventative measurements have saved their 4ss from the proverbial fires for long time.
As you refine your work flows, and "work to make your department obsolete" you may actually succeed and that is NOT a good thing when you have a family to feed. Thus we allow things to slip through to show our fellows in the company that we are in fact doing something
Pretty sad, but you all know it's true, and just ask anyone you know in Production Maintenance on if they perform their own preventative maintenance, see how many nano-seconds it takes for them to chuckle
Again, and this is a tired point I've been trying to make, I DISAGREE with silly social meanderings into vigilantism. However, to see people pilloried over the idea that dissidentism and Vigilante justice has no honorable or reasonable place in the world is simply the base presumption that will allow all the rights you hold dear to be taken away.
If and when our government decides to take away our free speech or right to bear arms, a minority (10% or less) or our citizenry has the audacity to stand up and fight (through current popular opinion) that is sad....simple. Our Parents, (the Great Generation) would truly be ashamed of how much we let slide for soooo little gain.
And I'd take Somalia anyday over China, anarchy, though silly and adolescent is a F#@$ load more appealing to me than being part of a nation (the largest on Earth) that lets their basic human rights be swallowed whole by a sadistic regime spearheaded by people who spout ideaology and live in decadence while their people die by the thousands.
I highly doubt mankind has a billion days left, let alone a billion years
nothing to see here
move on
If they were truly interested in justice, as they claim, they would petition the Communist Party to step up
Yeah, that works really well for most people who attempt to question the Chinese rhetoric, or anything that China considers to be it's soverign rights. As I had pointed out in other threads in this debate, just go to Wikipedia, look up Tianamen Square, and come back here, after reading how the government treated people who were fighting for HUMAN RIGHTS, and tell me you have that same opinion. And if you still do?!?! than pack you bags and move to Myanmar where you belong
Cowards and pacifists are the true perpetuators of everything that is heinous in my opinion because there is nothing more disgraceful than a group of good people who sit idle while something truly evil is happening.
The truly sad thing is that people can cherry pick words in a debate, mis-perceive all apparent intent, and attempt to turn the other point of view into some kind of Neanderthal who wants to just hit everything with a big stick to solve all problems. No one I have seen in this thread or anywhere else has said "Violence solves everything" and you not only also have to take into account the level of intelligence of your common /. (meme it up) but also you have to somehow rationalize this with people who say (and are lauded here for it) that they would KILL spammers, or members of the RIAA
Think about that for a sec, it's okay for people (in this case MOBS of Slashdotters) to advocate a discussion of murdering "Spam Kings, and Copyright Czars" but if someone dare say they would stand up for something that actually had value in everyday life (like say their family, or the fact that someone else committing murder for no reason is wrong)they get punced on, called an idiot, and apparently tagged as flaimbait.
Thats stupid, and if anyone still modding this thread cares enough to mod me a troll for saying it than do so, I have the Karma to burn.
People are pathetic when they see no reason to stand up for or defend against evil, all you are doing is allowing it to happen, I'm just glad not everyone is like the apparent majority of people here in this discussion!
Are you honestly trying to demean a debate to the point that you are portraying me as I consider the killing of my dog on par with the American Revolution?
You've missed the point, violence is never the ONLY answer, but is also the acceptable last resort in the appropriate situation. If you disagree that's fine, but qouting our nation's most famous document is petty and unneccasry, and if you need to debase everything to a minute detail than I'll leave you to your own devices.
Take things to the true scale of the discussion man, I'm not talking about making war on America because of the murder of my puppy, I'm talking about defending what I hold dear, Scale it up, and I would pick up a rifle and defend my home from an invader, be they foreign or domestic. I think anyone who thinks that mentality is ugly or beneath them is not only a coward (as I intimated before) but also a signifcant part of the problem of the world today, no one holds anything at all dear enough to defend it because they are soooo concerned with the "PCness" of their actions that they allow themselves to be pilloried by the public popular perception (say THAT 5 times fast).
Everything that you hold dear, be it your (obviously higher than mine) morality, or your ideology, or what have you, was given to you, fought for in your absense, and kept safe by, people that....and I know it isn't "okay" anymore to say this, FOUGHT for that right. You can argue details until you turn blue in the face, but bare bones logical thought at ANY level has ALWAYS been "I think that is bad enough to stop, I will attempt to reason with the provocatur of said bad event, and if, through diplomacy I can affect a positive outcome than great!, but if something BAD happens, and continues to be bad, and worse, and horrible, then I will stop it by force if words are of no avail"
So go ahead, trasport yourself back to the 30's and be a pacifist, and think that through your slanted PC ideology you in some way impact anyone's beleif that it is sometimes OK to fight for what you hold dear, than know I pity you.
You're a coward, and I would find myself at a loss (though it would thankfully never happen) to know you, because if you wouldn't defend yourself, or your family, or your friends, than you are truly a sad pathetic......
wait I'm on Slashdot
carry on.
If you truly think Revolution (See the American Revoultion, i.e no taxation without proper representation) isn't justice, and Civil War (see even Our Civil War, i.e though a byproduct, slavery was demolished) isn't justice, than ask your local African American friend if he thinks the North, who freed his Great Great Great Grandfather, were unjust in their fight. Merely ask yourself about paying taxes on something that you as a constituent had no power over, because you had no one representing you in government. Those are both matters of "justice" to the nth degree my friend. I may not agree with limited petty social campaigns against regular citizens, but to here people say that disidents, vigilantes, and revolutionaires of all flavors should be painted with the same brush as the spineless fools, then I tend to want to say "Hey, not cool"
Those same idiots in China could have easily put their efforts to better use, like finding a way for the citizenry of their localities to find ways around the Great Firewall, or even to find information on things like Tianamen, so that the next generation of Chinese citizens are saved from knowing nothing besides the current regime or about how people before them fought for certain freedoms that most people in China today probably don't know exist.
I do understand that the devil is in the details, however who is to say what is or isn't right for ANYONE be they victim or vigilante, and yes I can see your "but the Nazis!" BS on the horizon, I ask you that question with full intent on honest thought, not merely looking for ways to snipe my details. I would expect people to have a base understanding that evil is inherant and absolute to a degree, killing kittens = bad killing 8 million innocent Jewish citizens = REALLY frickin bad. But to say that I took the law into my own hands to protect my family or friends from certain demise = bad, well I honestly couldn't care, no matter what any nameless faceless, 6 digit UID having entity on /. says
Let me just say this my friends
If you killed my dog, posted it onto YouTube while doing it, and then thought that I wouldn't try to find you, with a group of 10-20 friends all very much upset that our little friend was killed by YOUR stupid 4ss, then you have another thing coming, and I'd die before I allowed you to do that and only get fined, and maybe spend 6 months on probation....I would hurt you, and laugh for the 8 months I spent in jail for aggravated assault.
Now ask yourself if the roles were reversed.....I tell ya what, if I kill someone's friend/family member/pet....and was then stupid enough to tape it and post it online....I'd expect someone to try to find me real quick...and wouldn't blame them.....would you?
I would most certainly rather have my future in the hands of a collection of people, than in the hands of one pissed off, old, Menopause inbued, psychotic judge, who on her way to MY criminal trial, got splashed by a puddle, spilled her coffee on her moomoo and then got called right before entering her courtroom by her husband who had just decided to leave her fat old smelly 4ss because he was sick of her judging HIM all the time.....You look yourself in the mirror and admit without a smirk that that situation could happen to more than any 2 random people in a vigilante mob.
I don't get how anyone can have this mentality
If it weren't for "angry mobs" truly ask yourself what in histroy would have never happened.
What comes to mind?
Boston Tea Party
The American Revolution
The fall of Communism in the USSR (and subsequent breaking down of the Berlin Wall...sure looked like a mob to me)
Tianamen Square and the attempt at democracy in China
The Jewish folks that tried to prevent the Holocaust from happening (and in turn died FIRST for their beleifs)
You go look one of the Student Disidents from Tianamen in the face and tell him he was merely a criminal, and had no right to protest the Human Rights Abuses that ARE STILL HAPPENING to this day
See if he could give 2 flying f%#$ how you or anyone else feels about vigilanteism
And here I thought it was a communist version of youtube!
On SOVIET YOUTUBE, video watch YOU!
dude,
In Soviet Russia, videos watch YOU!
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Not sure if you are writing this from a country besides the US, but here, vigilantism is not met with a lack of punishment for the offender. It is illegal to enact certain "justices" outside the realm of law enforcement. However to compare a group of people finding an animal abuser (which is also a precursor to human abuse/murder/serial killers) to people in the South lynching "dem #$%^#$ers" is flaimbait at best.
For one thing, you deny justice to a group of individuals for too long, they WILL take it into their own hands, two how do you think laws and values and morals came into being? It wasn't just plopped down to us like Prometheus and Fire....three I ask you, "SO WHAT?" I think if a crime is commited, and I can respond to it in a way that will prevent further loss of life, realty, property, et al. before anyone else can, then I will. You'll notice that in cities like New York it is now a CRIME to ignore a crime in progress (Good Samaratin law) There is a reason for that, people like those in this thread who think vigilantism has no cause in society. I say to you that the LACK thereof is a big factor in our complete slide into a pit of hedonistic, self aggrandizing filth that is our current state of affairs, and that when people don't take a stand for what they feel is right (or against what is wrong) then you merely have a group of good people doing NOTHING to change the course of events (see the US during the beginning stages of either World War) Pacifism is not the answer, nor will it ever be, just read a history book for more reasons why.
I don't see why people would think that Sun, or Oracle for that matter, would want their ineptness broadcast to the world, when the only benefit from doing so would be for others (their competitors especially) to learn from said mistakes. It would be like them saying "Hey IBM, here is a list of what NOT to do in the future." I seriously doubt Oracle would enjoy giving people a play book of things to avoid, as opposed to hoping those mistakes WERE repeated. If anything they should create a list of "mistakes" that they've invented that would help them in regards to their competition reading it, as opposed to hurting themselves.
MOD this insightfully up. I smell fishes too (and not in the good way).
there's a good way to "smell fishes"?
Alright for one thing. I understand that various ports of call will not allow armed vessels to enter their ports. However, why not find some entrepreneurial company who would supply armed escorts over the Open Sea in international waters to escort these vessels? I would think you could easily find ports where you COULD dock those ships for re-fueling and re-fitting and then simply have them escort those vessels right up to the vessels destination without having to enter their territorial waters.
For another thing, it's bad enough that America has been inundated with Somali immigrants who are un-willing to follow in the footsteps of other immigrants to this country and at least conform to our LANGUAGE at the least, but now, we need to cope with the fact that their nation has deteriorated into anarchy and is allowing their "citizens" to attack international shipping with no fear of concern or reprisal? What ever happened to how we used to deal with Piracy. You used to have to "fly the flag" of your nation, and any ship not representing would be considered hostile until their intent could be determined. Also, any attack on British shipping was met with an initial defense of the ship, followed by the British Navy dispatching warships to the region to hunt the pirates. Now we have to sit back and watch our shipping be decimated by SOMALI PIRATES!!! these people can't even run their own country, so what are we worried about? They attack our ship, we bombard their coastline for a week or two and then......NOTHING no more pirates, and no reprisal from Somalia because what "army" or "navy" could they even put in the field? None.
People need to stop being sooooooo frickin PC and start defending their interests, especially in INTERNATIONAL waters.
GOSH!