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Staying In Shape vs. a Busy IT Job Schedule?

tnok85 writes "I started a new job ~7 months ago at a very large company working a 12-hour night shift (7PM-7AM) in a fairly high volume NOC. Our responsibilities extend during the night to basically cover everything but the most complex situations regarding UNIX/Windows/Linux/App administration, at which point we'll reach out to the on-calls. I live 1.5 hours away as well, so it turns into 4-5 15 hour days a week of sitting still — throw in almost an hour to get ready to leave, and a bit of time after I get home to unwind and I'm out of time to work out. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure I have a very slow metabolism, ever since I was a pre-teen I would gain weight fairly quickly if I didn't actively work out, regardless of how much or what I eat. (Barring starving myself, I suppose...) So, how does somebody who works a minimum of 60 hours over 4 days, often adding another 12 another day, and sometimes working 7-10 days straight like this, stay in shape? I can't hold a workout schedule, (which every person I've talked to in my history says is necessary to stay in shape) and I can't 'wake up early' or 'work out before bed' because I need sleep. Any thoughts/opinions/suggestions?"

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  1. Its not rocket surgery... by acon1modm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What kind of miracle solution do you want? Its easy...

    For a given workday, after N hours work and M hours sleep, is anything left? if yes, make the decision to work out or to fuck off. If not, then wait for your days off and work out hard. Also decrease caloric intake.

    There is no other solution (aside from changing work schedule).

    1. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by acon1modm · · Score: 3, Informative
      Also...

      regardless of how much or what I eat

      Thats bullshit. Yer doin it wrong. There is nothing magical about the metabolic process. More calories will add more weight if you don't burn them.

    2. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by LuvlyOvipositor · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is no other solution (aside from changing work schedule).

      This is what I would recommend. Productivity drops off anyway past 8 consecutive hours of work. If the company needs 24/7 coverage, then get 3 techs per 24 hour period. You get better results from your workers, and promote a healthier work environment.

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    3. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Oh, lawdy. I hope submitter knows what they're getting into. They'd better be receiving a lot of money. That said, here are some tips for submitter:
      • Find another job. If you can't,
      • Move closer. If you can't,
      • Drink lots of coffee - working that shift will turn you into a zombie. Coffee (and tobacco, not recommended) keep you alert, give you something to look forward to, and supress the appetite so you...
      • Don't eat out of boredom - stay away from that snack machine. Bring healthy stuff to eat, because you will not be able to stay "in shape". As long as you moderate your munchies you won't gain weight (and you will probably lose weight as you'll be perpetually exhausted). You'll receive no excercise unless...
      • You make arrangements to exercise locally. Use the company gym or use your lunch break to find a local 24-hour gym and get a membership there. At least half an hour every day will be adequate. If you have only a half-hour for lunch then make an arrangement to use your mandated breaks in conjection with your lunch break to buy you some time. If your boss dosen't understand that then he's a sadist and you're better off working elsewhere.
      • If no gyms are available then bring gym clothes and spend your lunch break taking a night jog. Bring music. Night jogs are peaceful and will clear your head. Most places have at least one bathroom with a shower. If you don't have other options then it's exercise vs. stink.

      But those are only suggestions as I've never lasted more than 5 months on that shift without going crazy. You got balls, my man.

    4. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not entirely true.

      Ok, yes, you can't just eat what you want. However, it's not as simple as just "more calories".

      Fiber will flush calories.

      Protein builds muscle, and muscle burns more calories than fat.

      Small snacks throughout the day, and especially a proper breakfast, help your metabolism go faster.

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    5. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mcgrew · · Score: 0

      Some people have fast metabolisms and some have slow ones. I was badly underweight most of my life, and I ate three times as moch food as my fatassed ex-wife, who had a hard time losing it.

    6. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dave562 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ditto what the OP said. Either you are serious about wanting to work out for a little bit becauase it will improve your life, or you aren't. If you are serious about it, you will find time to do it. If you aren't, you will come up with excuses not to.

      As a completely antecdotal experience, I've been training martial arts for seven years. At this point I train five to six days a week for an hour or two each day. I'm in pretty good shape, but could still make a lot of improvements. I don't do any weight training, and I work out at a moderate intensity.

      If all you want to do is "get in shape" you can do it in 30-45 minutes a day. The most important thing is to start out with stretching, and once you're stretched out, do some cardio (jogging, jumping rope, etc) for AT LEAST 20 minutes. If you can't jog, walk. Work up to walking with short periods of running. Then run more and walk less. You really don't need to get up to any more than two or three miles a couple of times a week to see some real results after a six to eight months.

      The hardest part about working out is getting started. It feels counter-intuitive. It hurts. There is pain associated with it. Your body will tell you to stop doing it. The lazy voice in the back of your head will talk you out of it. The first couple of months are the most difficult part. Developing a schedule AND STICKING TO IT, is the most difficult part.

      Be realistic with yourself. Realize that being healthy is a lifestyle choice. It isn't something that you do for a few months and then quit. It takes a while to see results. I'm not going to lie and tell you that it doesn't suck in the beginning because it does. It is much easier to sit in front of the computer and sleep than it is to set aside an hour a day to exercise.

      The only other advice I have is to cut out drinking anything besides water. Soda is especially bad for you. Anything with high fructose corn syrup in it (most anything you'd get at 7-11 or the like) is tough for your body to digest. If you are out of shape, working out is going to burn a lot of fat. That fat is stored garbage. Your body is going to be working hard to get rid of that garbage. Water will help that process.

    7. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hemp · · Score: 1, Informative

      And stay away from carbohydrates, they get turned right into fat.

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    8. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mike260 · · Score: 1

      A very inefficient digestive system would also do that.

    9. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rawr_one · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're ignoring the significant health risks, though. It is simply not healthy for him to be working that much and working out any significant amount of time each day. He can do one or the other, and he has to make a choice. Otherwise he will just be grinding away years of his life.

    10. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by torkus · · Score: 4, Funny

      try swallowing the crap you get from ex-wives-to-be and you'll understand how that becomes a necessity.

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    11. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The most important thing is to start out with stretching

      It looks like stretching may actually be bad for you.

    12. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      That sounds awful. Five 12 hour working days would be illegal in this country. But anyway...

      Are you actually busy all night? Is there gym in the building, or even some stairs you could run up and down (I realise stairs aren't always accessible in the US).

      You seem to have no actual spare time, so my usual suggestions (cycle [part of the way] to work, do stuff in the evening) won't work.

    13. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company doesn't want better productivity, they want to avoid paying for full-time employees. They probably hire people to work 3 days/week * 12 hours/day = 36 hours/week. Gee sorry, less than 40 hours so you don't get benefits, etc. Plus management only has to schedule two shifts instead of three.

    14. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1

      Agreed. If you would rather psyche yourself out than actually be fit, that is what you will achieve. I think you need to focus more upon the goals rather than the means to achieve them; if you can figure out sufficient motivation, you WILL make time for fitness. I've personally lost over thirty pounds since last fall when I decided I was sick of being fat, and I did nothing special -- I simply started doing aerobics for about four hours a week.

      It is amazing how superb a motivator it is to transform your body type and remind yourself why feeling fit is much more enjoyable than feeling fat. You don't need a special exercise program or even a "routine" as such. One day a week of doing a serious physical activity outside would work wonders, I'm sure.

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    15. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by pushf+popf · · Score: 1

      Get another job.

      Shift work is physically unheathy: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1274227

      In fact, I'm willing to give you my secret patented method for avoid stupid bullshit assignments: "Say No". If you're valuable, chances are excellent that you won't be fired and they'll find some other poor soul to stuff into that slot.

      The secret to a happy life is being selective about how much BS you accept and from who.

    16. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Protein builds muscle

      Only if you exercise.

    17. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ReverendLoki · · Score: 2, Funny

      ... Jack Sprat?

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    18. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Dahamma · · Score: 1, Informative

      Well... not entirely true, either...

      Not entirely true.

      Ok, yes, you can't just eat what you want. However, it's not as simple as just "more calories".

      Fiber will flush calories.

      No it doesn't. A calorie is a unit of heat. Fiber may prevent absorption of certain carbohydrates in the intestines, etc, but nothing can "flush heat".

      Protein builds muscle, and muscle burns more calories than fat.

      Protein doesn't build muscle, muscle is made of protein. That's like saying bricks build buildings. Working out stimulates your body to build muscle, and having more available protein makes it more efficient. If you don't exercise, that protein will just be turned into fat like anything else (just less effiiciently).

      Small snacks throughout the day, and especially a proper breakfast, help your metabolism go faster.

      That one I agree with :) Though aerobic exercise in the morning will do a lot more.

      Anyway, sure, what you eat makes a difference, but the OP is right that in the end the number one way to lose weight is to ingest fewer calories... there was an AMAZING study (scarcasm) done this year that came to the conclusion that given a half dozen different diets, in the end WHAT you eat is completely secondary to HOW MUCH...

    19. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by exhilaration · · Score: 1

      You forgot the last option: do nothing and accept that you're greatly increasing your chances of dying before 50.

      People think they're going to live forever while treating their bodies like crap. It just doesn't work that way.

    20. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by tgatliff · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of what you said... But... :)

      HFCS is no worse to digest than sucrose. Also, the problem is not that it is tough to digest, but actually the opposite. Meaning, you absorb it too fast leading to insulin spikes.... Its ratios are almost identical to sucrose, and huge amounts of safety studies have been done on it. Meaning, the problem is not HFCS, but rather too many sugars in general.

    21. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by drunkenoafoffofb3ta · · Score: 1

      You might be lucky. You may have an underactive thyroid gland leading to your slow metabolism. A quick blood test of T3/T4 levels will pretty much diagnose if this is the case; some thyroxin pills will sort you out pretty quickly.

      My tip, if it ain't that, don't carry any money that can be spent in vending machines!

    22. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mike260 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Disagree. His job (the hours in particular) sounds stressful, and if stress by itself is ungood then it's doubleplusungood if you're not getting any exercise. Recipe for an early grave, basically.

    23. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by beerbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As well as candida infection. Many, many people have one and don't even notice it.

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    24. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of miracle solution do you want? Its easy...

      For a given workday, after N hours work and M hours sleep, is anything left? if yes, make the decision to work out or to fuck off. If not, then wait for your days off and work out hard. Also decrease caloric intake.

      There is no other solution (aside from changing work schedule).

      Apparently an effective solution is beyond many people here...

      Tip No1. Stop sitting on a chair (even if it makes you think you are in Star Trek), and instead get a swiss ball. Then all the time when you might otherwise be slumped into the seat back, you will be forced to sit in a neutral posture all the while instead be activating your abdominal and low back muscles. The swiss ball will also encourage you to move around which gently activates and stretches these muscles. End results include more energy used per day, core stability improvements and less potential for back injury in the future. This may be THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE PIECE OF EXERCISE EQUIPMENT ANYONE IS LIKELY TO EVER BUY. To use it as exercise equipment rather than a replacement for your chair.. look on the internet! Use a proper pump to get it to the right pressure. I think it needs to be as tall as your knee.

      Tip No 2. Get one of those suspension training systems (like the TRX.. you'll have to google it). Assuming you can find somewhere to place it.. there's your macho body work out gear! Its also about 50 times more expensive than the swiss ball I bought on ebay. And you can't use it as a chair.

      Tip No 3. Buy an exercise bike and sit on that while you look at your screens and type at your keyboard. I dont know how much they cost used. And I also hear sitting n the saddle can be bad for your sperm (you are a man, right?)

      Explore No 1 first, it may be all you need.

    25. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by torkus · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually I'm going to have to strongly disagree with the content, though the idea is on the right track. You do need to stick to it, get over the initial 'oh this hurts/sucks', and not make excuses why you're too tired/busy/etc.

      That said...
      Cardio is the WORST way to work out - especially in this situation. Cardio trains your body to efficiently use calories (how else can a person run 20+ miles or 4-5 hours straight). In this situation you do NOT want that. You get the short-term benefits while you're running than then nothing else. In the end it actually works against you. To use an extreme example - take someone an anorexic that eats less than 1000 calories a day yet runs on a treadmill for 2 hours a day. The raw math seems impossible but yet there are people who do this for years. (unhealthy, extreme example but it does make a point).

      *however* 30-40 minutes a few times a week *IS* all you need. Replace that job with weight training every 2-3 days. You don't have to compete with the bench-pressing muscle heads but if you do the math, lifting 100lbs from floor to above your head takes a LOT of energy. And your body can build muscle to make it easier, but all the muscle in the world does not lessen the amount of work it takes to lift that weight. PLUS (and this is HUGE for sedentary people) your body needs to recover from lifting those weights. It needs to rebuild the micro-tears in your muscle (which, btw, is how you build more muscle too) and that takes MORE energy over the next 1-2 days. So if you have a good muscle training session you're metabolism is elevated for a DAY OR TWO AFTER your work-out. Cardio? Meh. Hardly a few hours later and your metabolism is back to where you started. In addition, you don't need a big set of weights. A couple dumbells, a step, and a yoga ball (while kinda gay) can give you a shockingly difficult workout.

      If you're the type who likes to run then skip jogging. Alternate sprints (as fast as you can for 15-60 seconds) with walking to recover (easy pace to partially recover heart rate for 30-60 sec). This will, of course, vary greatly from person to person but it helps avoid training your body to use minimal calories over long-term but low impact work.

      An equal body weight that's mostly muscle mass will burn significantly more calories than one that's largely fat.

      Oh, and yes - drink water not soda. Avoid junk food as much as you can and go for protein over sugar. A bag of peanuts is WAY better than a pack of MnM's even if the calories say differently.

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    26. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      I bet you weren't really eating as much as you thought. Metabolism does differ some between people, but most people are near the average. Daily activities can also make a difference.

    27. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yeah..the low carb thing and working out has really been working for me. I'm well on my way to my goal of going from 38" waist to 32" waist. I'd ballooned out, and starting in Feb. started pretty strict low carb diet. I put a $1K bet with a friend of mine to reach a goal by July 1...we both did it to put 'teeth' behind the thing and not allow ourselves to backslide.

      It has worked...and I'm sticking with it, although will bring back more veggies and fruits and all. I will stay away from highly processed foods, that's not a problem. I like to cook and I've had no problems coming up with fun and good meals.

      I've also been working out as regular as possible too...

      I've found that through this, and eating smaller meals 5-6 times a day, my voracious appetite has been controlled, and I've been able to pretty easily start watching portion control.

      After a mere 4 months or so...it is now pretty easy. I can see the 32" waist in my gunsights before end of summer.

      I'm also hoping with my next Dr. visit...my triglyceride count is down, as well as blood pressure.

      My advice to the guy who posted this article...do what the first few posts have said. You have to figure some way to change the lifestyle that is obviously NOT working for you and your health.

      You are given 24 hours in a day. It is up to YOU to figure how you're gonna spend them to accomplish whatever goals you have in life.

      If this job is in the way...well, maybe look for another job with better hours. I hope you are getting PAID for 60 hours if you are working that many. If you are just salary..you are a chump for working that extra 20 hours for free. It is one thing for an occasional long stretch with a deadline or emergency, but, it sounds like they're working you 60+ all the time as a normal part of your job??

      I know the economy is bad, but, it ain't that bad and there are other jobs if you are qualified.

      It sure isn't worth your health man...

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    28. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Fiber will flush calories.

      This is something that a lot of people don't seem to know about when they say, "More calories will add more weight if you don't burn them." Your digestive system isn't 100% efficient, and the human body will, at times, dump excess calories.

      So in effect, your body is capable of saying, "I have enough food for now, so I'm going to poop out the rest." Some bodies seem to do this more readily than others, and science doesn't yet know all the factors. It could be genetics, emotional state, the kind of bacteria living in your gut, or what you're eating rather than how much you're eating.

      But the point is, yes, someone else can have the same diet and exercise routine as you have, and still weigh a very different amount.

    29. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rmadmin · · Score: 1

      As a newly divorced guy, I couldn't resist laughing very loudly when I ready this. =)

    30. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Kokuyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is all bullshit. Reduce stress. As long as you're under stress, your body is making itself ready to flee whatever predator is causing you stress. It never got the memo that we have firearms now and are thus on top of the food-chain.

      As long as you work yourself into the grave, your body will ramp up the calorie-consumption and put it in storage for the bad times it assumes are right around the corner.

      You people with your "Fat is bad, mkay" are forgetting one thing: The calories that go into your body are not necessarily processed altogether. Like cars don't have all the same efficiency, neither do our bodies. Some of us will react to stress by gaining weight, others lose it. In a healthy situation, where you do get out of stressful environments enough, your body will adjust fine on its own, unless you put every next best thing that looks edible in your mouth.

      And again, this is science. This is not me wishing it were so. German speakers should consult Udo Polmer's books. They're on Amazon.

    31. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      The fact that he has to call other people to handle complex issues means that he is basically there to babysit the computers at night and change backup tapes. Why doesn't he do what most people do who work this shift and just sleep.

    32. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by thedonger · · Score: 1

      in the end WHAT you eat is completely secondary to HOW MUCH...

      OTOH, a balanced diet of sufficient caloric value is better than an unbalanced one. If one is not exercising - as this states he doesn't have time - then do trade in the saturated fats and simple sugars for foods with more use to the body. And drink water!

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    33. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If all you want to do is "get in shape" you can do it in 30-45 minutes a day. The most important thing is to start out with stretching, and once you're stretched out, do some cardio (jogging, jumping rope, etc) for AT LEAST 20 minutes.

      Jesus fucking christ. The attitude of some fitness nuts frightens me sometimes.

      You do not, do not, do not need to waste 45 minutes of every day working up a sweat and sore muscles if you just want to stay "in shape". If you're looking to win some medal, then yes, but be prepared to deal with the after effects of such extreme exercise in later life.

      If you want to stay in shape, you just have to cut down on junk food and get an outdoor hobby that keeps you mobile for an hour or so on the weekends. Swimming, soccer, cycling, jogging, gardening. That's all most people will ever need. These health nuts who spend who torture themselves daily, spend weekends doing yoga or karate and who subsist on treebark and goat's milk are not some physical ideal everyone should aspire to!

      The hardest part about working out is getting started. It feels counter-intuitive. It hurts. There is pain associated with it. Your body will tell you to stop doing it. The lazy voice in the back of your head will talk you out of it.

      What the fuck?! Going for a walk in the woods is actually fun in my experience. You get great views from the top of hills too. Sailing? Maybe you could try horse riding, I don't know. The point is, if exercise isn't fun, then no one in their right mind will keep it up. You have to find an activity that keeps you healthy, not a penance.

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    34. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by assertation · · Score: 1

      An informed, interesting and useful comment.

    35. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree dieting is as simple as counting calories.

      (Calories Eaten - Calories burned)/3500 = weight change [lbs]

      figure out how many calories you burn in a typical day, and eat less than that, the amount less than that you eat will determine how fast you lose weight.

      I put on A LOT of weight when I first started working in IT and I was busy enough that I rarely made it to the gym. I THOUGHT I was eating less, and eating healthy and even tried all kinds of stupid diets that never seemed to get me anywhere. About 4 months ago I decided to look for a diet that was specifically tailored to a programmer's lifestyle (I figured there are enough smart people out there that someone must have come up with something) After about 2 minutes of searching I found The Hackers Diet. I read it and it made a lot of common sense... I decided to try it. and so far I've lost 35 lbs and I haven't set foot in a gym since I started.

      in short it's just calorie counting in a way that makes good logical sense... I don't even follow the diet plan that closely, I weight myself every day so I can plot my change, and the first week I took a closer look at how many calories the foods I typically eat contain. The first few days I had some crazy hunger pains but after that I don't feel hungry anymore than usual and I the only time I even really think about how many calories I'm eating is when I break away from my normal daily eating habits (ie: family BBQ, or a party, etc.) and even then I just make a rough guess and eat a little less during my meals earlier in the day.

      I still go out for ice cream, have pizza at lunch, etc. I just keep a mental tally of roughtly how many calories I'm taking in so I can adjust my other meals accordingly...

    36. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Chabo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Another option for aerobic exercise: jump rope. Back when I did karate, that was our main aerobic exercise because there's not much else you can do in a 400 sq. ft. room...

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    37. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by twigusa · · Score: 1

      I'd also add: Get something to measure your progress. If you have the kind of mindset that many geeks do, it will help you focus and stick at it. There are several cheap solutions available (many of which interface with your mp3 player).

    38. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Mex · · Score: 0

      Working out only on your days off is not only unhealthy and risky, it's counterproductive.

      Your system will be placidly chugging along during the week, and then it receives a shock in the weekends that will send it into "fat protection" mode. You can't just work out 3 hours in your day off and expect it to pay off the same as 3 hours spread over the week.

      Decreasing caloric intake is also risky without a proper nutritionists' advice - you can decrease too much and it's also counterproductive.

    39. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by fprintf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Love your ideas about exercise being fun. Tennis is fun. Raquetball, squash, basketball, handball are all examples of really fun sports that will work you hard enough to give all the benefits of exercise while being something that doesn't require tons of motivation to do. As a cyclist I can work off 300 calories easily on a weekend day... it is generally 40 calories per mile. 7 or 8 miles on a bike is *nothing* to even most beginners.

      Personally I like your idea of sailing. Not everyone is close to the coast or has the money for a boat but it is really fun, and if you get the right boat (you try hiking on a Laser for a 20 minute upwind leg of a race) you will be in great shape.

      Hiking is always fun, and running up walking trails can even be more fun. Exercise need not be mindless lifting of weights in a gym or miles on a treadmill. Hell, just get out Dance Dance Revolution for 15 minutes a day!

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    40. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, he can do what lots of us here do when we're too slammed to work out "properly":
      Crunches and pushups. Use you body's mass as your weights. bonus points if you can install a pull-up bar somewhere.

      just do 10 or 15 reps at a time, as time permits.
      you can do this almost anywhere (aisles between cubes, DC floor, etc.

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    41. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by EvanED · · Score: 1

      You're half right... static stretching may be bad for you, if you do it before exercising. Dynamic stretching before is still good.

      Also, I've seen other sources say that static stretching after exercising can still help flexibility.

    42. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by caluml · · Score: 1

      Conversely - treating your body like a temple, eating the right things, exercising, staying slim doesn't ensure you will live beyond 50 either. Chances are higher, sure, but it's not a guarantee.

    43. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hattig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or indeed do a work out at the company he's working at.

      Press ups, sit ups, crunches, etc, are all doable.

      12 hour cover doesn't mean 12 hours in a chair reading slashdot incessantly. If he is babysitting, then there's plenty of time to do other stuff. Hell, write a script to send the warnings to his phone and get his sleep there. Does the company have gym facilities? Certainly he'll get several breaks overnight where you can do something active, like run up and down stairs before you grab a coffee.

      Personally I think the poster is insane, firstly to take a job working 12 hour shifts for more than 3 days a week. Secondly for living 1.5 hours away, meaning a 3 hour commute every day. 12 + 3 + 8 (sleep) leaves a grand total of 1 hour a day to live! STOP AND THINK! Or get the company to put you up overnight nearby on the nights you work.

    44. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

      This is the truth! I was working much like tnok85 a couple of years back. I loved the job but the stress from multiple directions eventually led to me gaining 50+ lbs over 6 months. I had maintained my previous weight for over 4 years. When I left that position for a new opportunity working straight 8-5 M-F making the same salary and not being pulled at from every direction the weight gain stopped. I'm still working the extra weight off but I feel much better and will avoid high stress environments.

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    45. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dasunt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree dieting is as simple as counting calories.

      (Calories Eaten - Calories burned)/3500 = weight change [lbs]

      figure out how many calories you burn in a typical day, and eat less than that, the amount less than that you eat will determine how fast you lose weight.

      For me, it doesn't always work that way.

      Below a certain point, my body decides that instead of getting the missing 3500 calories from burning fat, it would rather decrease my metabolism. Drastically, if necessary. I'm still losing small amounts of weight, but not 1 lb for every 3500 missing calories.

      From a perspective of evolution, my body's great: It cuts down on calorie usage when food supply decreases. From a dieting perspective, it is hard for me to lose the final 5-10 lbs of weight.

    46. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hofmny · · Score: 2, Informative

      Mod Parent Up.

      Losing weight and keeping it off is not as easy as burn more calories than you take in. For the reasons above and also, not all calories are created equal. Calories from fat are different than normal calories, as the body has to work (takes longer) a lot more to break down fat.

      Also, consider simple carbohydrates versus complex carbohydrates (whole wheat). Simple carbohydrates which are not immediately metabolized go straight into the mid section (for most white Caucasians). More complex carbohydrates don''t have this property and are healthier for you as they contain nutrients simple carbohydrates do not (read up on flax and wheat processing).

      Also, for working out. There is NO excuse not to. Do one set of 5 for 5 exercises, 5 times a week. Its a myth you need to do 3 sets of x, perpetuated by the American body building community (read up on Pavel). Do this for two months then switch exercises. I guarantee you will become stronger than someone who does multiple sets -- and you'll lose fat too. You need to do both cardio and weight lifting. Period. But lifting weights burns more fat than cardio and keeps your metabolism higher longer. When weight lifting, the bigger the muscle the more calories you burn. So doing squats and dead lifts versus working out your biceps and triceps is going to burn a lot more calories.

    47. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This may be THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE PIECE OF EXERCISE EQUIPMENT ANYONE IS LIKELY TO EVER BUY."

      Wrong. Pick "anyone", and I'll bet they are unlikely to buy a "swiss ball". Why? Here's the reason, no offense intended. They are very effeminate and "wussy". Guys who care about others' opinions will never use one. In fact, there is something about sitting on a giant ball and wiggling around that makes most hetero guys just cringe inside their heads. OK, in brutally simple and honest terms, if you sit on one, you're either a chick or a homo, or will be thought of as a homo. And say what you will about discrimination, the fact is that most guys these days will still go to great lengths to avoid having their sexual orientation guessed wrongly. You may not believe me or like it, you may object to my use of non-PC terms (fuck you), but this is Truth. We as a culture are just not ready for the swiss ball.

      PS Rocket SURGERY? What's next, brain science? Earthlings: you fail.

    48. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Informative

      12 hour work days + 1 hour of exercise basically describes my entire time in the military, and I was never in better shape or felt better. I'm pretty sure I've shaved more off of my life expectancy as an 8 hour desk jockey and couch potato in the years since.

      It's pretty much like the First Post'er said: Either you make time, or you don't. The OP said he can't get up early or work out before bed, which is nonsense. Everybody's a little different, but I found that I actually needed less sleep, slept more soundly, and felt more refreshed in the morning, when I exercised regularly, particularly when I did so shortly before bedtime. Exhausting my body also helped to keep it more in sync with my mental state, whereas after an 8 hour day I can feel mentally drained, but not get sleepy for hours after a normal bedtime.

      Don't get me wrong, I'm as lazy as anyone, and I will probably go home tonight and do some 12 ounce curls on the couch instead of hitting the weights or going for a run, but I know that's a choice I make every day. On the other hand, maybe I've just talked myself into making better choices.

    49. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by vlm · · Score: 1

      if you do the math, lifting 100lbs from floor to above your head takes a LOT of energy.

      About half the energy required for a 200 lbs body to climb one flight of stairs... Not much. If you take the stairs to a different floor of the building every time you go to the can, visit people in person instead of calling, and never use the elevator, you'll burn far more energy thru the day on the stairs than during a short workout.

      Everything else you wrote is completely 100% correct except for this minor thing, that the actual energy burned during lifting isn't much... Another amusing thing for IT workers is to lift weights such as old equipment, although your cow orkers will laugh at you. Military press an old rack mount 6U server, just make sure the drive trays don't slip out onto your head.

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    50. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Gentle stretching after exercise IS good.

    51. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a student now, but at my past job I was allowed to dress casual and I would longboard to and from my junk food purchasing location. I recommend finding a way to exercise during your lunch break, or give up 15-30min of free time after work..

    52. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by g00d_4sh · · Score: 1

      I'd suggest being careful with the low carb diets. Honestly I have tried them and found I balloon back as soon as I get off the 'diet' and... it isn't that great for body chemistry. I do the Zone diet, which has been by far the best for me. Each meal is 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% good fats. Carbs are gathered from fruits, and veggies, avoiding grains as much as possible. And protein is from meat (or soy if you are veggitarian). Good fats from fish/avacados etc. I'm seeing a 6pack for the first time in 14 years with the diet and some Crossfit workout. Just an idea for something else to check out.

    53. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kriyasurfer · · Score: 2

      Don't do crunches. There are plenty of other ab exercises that don't compress the lower back. For example "dive bombers" or "cat pushups".

      Squats are better for burning off calories, as long as you are doing them correctly (i.e. don't bend at the waist, drop straight down). Check out YouTube videos for "Indian Squats" as they work many of the large muscle groups.

    54. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hofmny · · Score: 1

      Actually, start with weight lifting and do not stretch first. After you work out a muscle (after your first set), then stretch that muscle between sets to get the blood flowing. OR, if you are building strength and only doing one set, stretch and move onto the next exercise. After doing weight lifting then more onto cardio.

      Also, there is no actual need to stretch before doing cardio. I used to and stopped. FDA tests prove that stretching isn't necessary to prevent injuries that occur while running occur outside the normal range of motion -- something that stretching could not prepare you for (go ahead Google it)!

      Now if you do Yoga, that is different, because you are not simply stretching, but increasing the strength of your ligaments and tendons, which is why for ultimate power, you need to do Yoga since your muscles are only as strong as the strength at which it is attached to your frame and other muscles!

    55. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is really good advice. I train in martial arts 2-3 times a week. It is a great way to rid yourself of stress and you sleep very well afterwards. I've built muscle and cardio but I didn't lose much weight until I stopped eating cooked food. Raw food...try it!

    56. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      There's another small thing or two you can do. First, if it's safe to do so (Don't do this one if your job's in a Very Bad Neighborhood!) park your car at the far end of the lot. Walking back and forth from your car to work and back isn't much, but it's better than nothing. Second, whenever possible, take the stairs, not the elevator, especially if you're going up. There are a lot of little things you can do and they all add up, but the best thing you can do for your health is find a job with a company that cares enough for its employees that it doesn't require long-term 12 hour shifts.

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    57. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by AlHunt · · Score: 1

      Eat below your calorie needs on your sedentary days and above on your active days. Excercise when you can. Such a work schedule as yours will not allow an optimum fitness routine. Your dedication to fitness will determine your result in the long term.

      This article from Fred Harfield on his "Zig Zag" diet may be helpful:
      http://drsquat.com/content/knowledge-base/zigzag-diet

      --
      1 in 4 Maine children in struggle with hunger.
    58. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      You seem to have missed the point, while at the same time making a good one on your own. The good point that you made is that STAYING in shape is easy. GETTING in shape in the first place takes some work. The person who asked the question mentioned that he has gotten out of shape and is concerned about it. There will be some pain associated with getting back in shape. There will be muscle groups that he hasn't worked on in a long time that are going to feel sore when he first starts to strengthen them. That is just a simple, undeniable, physiological fact.

      Like you mentioned, there are different degrees of being in shape. The person who is training to defend themselves is going to have a different routine than the house wife who wants to look good for her husband, or the IT guy who enjoys riding bicycles on the weekend.

    59. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting in shape is like tuning a PC for performance. It doesn't all happen with a single click. Tweak your life using what others have said here. Reduce fat, sugar and carbs some (not all). Increase fiber and protein. Try to optimize your food - Calories vs Fiber or Vitamins, Fat vs Protein, etc. Bring health snacks and lunches to work. Work out however you can. 20 min of cardio 3x a week will improve endurance. 30 min of strength 3x a week will build muscle which burns fat 24/7. Your body is a complex thermodynamic system that can be optimized with the right combination of tweaks.

    60. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by feepness · · Score: 1

      There is nothing magical about the metabolic process. More calories will add more weight if you don't burn them.

      If only all these people who magically gain weight while eating less calories than they burn could teach third worlders their tricks. Or at least apply them to farming livesstock so we could fatten cattle without feeding them!

    61. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      There is nothing magical about the metabolic process.

      ORLY?

      A large (very large) friend of mine spends his days chasing his twin 2-yo's which is a fair amount of exercise, especially at 300 lbs. He eats like a bird, and I don't mean twice his body weight.

      Recently, his doctor put him on a 4500 calorie diet. As in, he had to eat over twice what he was previously eating. The whole point of that was to get his body to be less efficient with calories, because his metabolism wasn't letting him lose weight even though he ate less than me (at half his weight). That seems counter-intuitive. One might even say "magical" if it works, and apparently it has helped quite a lot.

      My metabolism is very inefficient... that is, I eat a crapton more than my large friends, and I don't gain weight. So although there's a huge amount of people with poor eating habits and little exercise (especially in the USA), metabolisms do differ.

    62. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dave562 · · Score: 1

      30-45 minutes three to four times a week is hardly a significant amount of time. Now if he said that he wants to work crazy hours AND train for a marathon, you'd be onto something.

    63. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by COMON$ · · Score: 1
      Not true. There are plenty of other solutions. You are entitled by law a 15 minute break every 2.5 hours. It is just as good to walk three times for 10 minutes each as it is to walk for 30 minutes straight.

      Stand at work rather than sit all day.

      Adjust your caloric intake.

      Make your default printer one across the office.

      On your days off dont work out hard, just make sure you work out longer, bike rides, longer walks...etc.

      When you wake up in the morning do 30 pushups even before you take a shower, this jump starts your metabolizm.

      Snack, about every 2.5 hours eat a healthy 100 calorie snack to keep your body going.

      There are lots of options, you dont need to work out once a day, you just need to change your routine to be more active, lots of small things add up very very quick.

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    64. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      Hrm, you seem to have missed something in the wikipedia article you linked to:

      Quote:
      "Practitioners of alternative medicine claim that Candida overgrowth can cause various health problems, from fatigue to weight gain, but this is rejected by most doctors and there is no evidence to support the theory.[5][6]"

      There is another, more detailed, explanation further down in the article that re-enforces the same point.

      --

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    65. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      Small snacks throughout the day, and especially a proper breakfast, help your metabolism go faster.

      I think what you mean is eat when you are hungry, and no when you have to or because the food is in front of you.

      This may include having snacks when you feel hungry and also skipping meals if not. If you aren't hungry then don't eat.

      I can't remember the word, but in Japan it is something they practice regularly by eating slow and then pushing food away at their table when they are full and not forcing themselves to finish.

      I know many westerners find this wasteful and I myself gobble down all on my plate, but generally its why they are a lot healthier and less fat than us.

      And considering all the glorious snack food the Japanese make they are not afraid to snack, but only when they are hungry.

      --
      "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    66. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by vertinox · · Score: 1

      And and to back up what I said...

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7681458.stm

      Still can't find the Japanese phrase, but my SO always yells it at me when I eat too fast at diner.

      --
      "I am the king of the Romans, and am superior to rules of grammar!"
      -Sigismund, Holy Roman Emperor (1368-1437)
    67. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stand up on the job. You will be surprised just how effective an exercise you will get for standing up for 12 hours straight. That's standing, not leaning against anything. Even very low impact activities can be most effective when sustained for long periods of time. Add to that careful diet and regular exercise on your days off and you should be just fine. Consider learning something with an internal focus such as Tai Chi or Yoga or even archery.

    68. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mstroeck · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's bullshit. That's just not how it works.

      -) If he begins to work out, he will start to sleep way better almost immediately, very probably more than making up for the hour of sleep he might lose.

      -)If he keeps at it, his resting heart-rate (along with recovery time, triglycerides, and many other things) will go down significantly, while his musculature and nervous system will get more efficient. His breathing will get deeper and more relaxed which again positively affects heart rate and the autonomous nervous system, and so on.

      -) If he is like most people, exercising will additionally help him get rid of the insane cravings for unhealthy food we all sometimes experience.

    69. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ocularDeathRay · · Score: 1

      I know.... what the fuck is that thing doing on slashdot?

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    70. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Knara · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sounds like you need to increase your energy expenditure more, to me. As you say, unless you go anorexic, decreasing caloric intake only goes so far.

    71. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Yokaze · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > No it doesn't. A calorie is a unit of heat.

      A unit of heat is an amount of energy. Calories are are practically deprecated and the only commonly used meaning is as unit of food energy.

      > Fiber may prevent absorption of certain carbohydrates in the intestines, etc, but nothing can "flush heat".

      Fibre in your food makes your intestines work more when digesting, which requires more energy. The other positive effect is, that it fills your stomach, without providing any nutritious value, thereby being net-negative in your energy household. "Flushing calories", so to speak.

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    72. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by assertation · · Score: 1

      LOL!!

      I just gave up on digg.com and I read Slashdot at a level 5 threshold so it doesn't seem that bad to me......*now*. I read Slashdot years ago with no filtering so I have enough memories to understand the joke :).

    73. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kanani · · Score: 1

      and as a happily married guy i laughed very loudly as well...

    74. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      The resting heart rate should plummet fairly quickly, just by doing moderate exercise. I've been keeping track of mine for about 20 days (when I started using my bicycle for moderately short trips, about 10 km a day), and it's dropped from 86 to 64. Granted, I doubt that kind of improvement will keep up as I'll be dead inside of two months, but it's a good start.

      Depending on where you live and work, riding a bike to/from work is an easy way to get more exercise. Walking or jogging as well.

      And you're quite right about the sleeping as well. I used to suffer from chronically bad sleep and sleeplessness. That's gone too. Of course some of that may be a placebo effect, but I'm not complaining.

    75. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ca111a · · Score: 1

      Protein... muscle burns more calories

      If one uses the muscles. Also, protein is often associated with cholesterol-rich food.

    76. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      Do any workout routine by Tony Horton. You'll feel great and look great.

      If you can't do P90X, try P90
      If you can't do P90, try Power Half Hour
      If you can't do Power Half Hour, try 10 minute trainer.
      If you can't find 10 minutes to do a workout routine, you'd have a better life in prison.

      All you need is an elastic band for the minimum workout.

      So basically, you need a $10 band and 10 minutes out of your day to exercise.

      --
      if you steal from one source, that is plagiarism, if you steal from many, well, that's just research.
    77. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by momerath2003 · · Score: 2

      Even better, get one of those ~$10 pull-up bars from Target that mount on a doorframe (i.e. to a closet). If you lift your feet behind you so that you don't touch the floor when you're extended, you get a full trunk and upper body workout. Whenever you get up from your computer, just do a couple of pull-ups.

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    78. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by arkhan_jg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This is so true. I too have an incredibly long sedentary job stuck behind a desk.

      While metabolism does adjust based upon various factors, which alters how efficiently you burn calories (as opposed to flushing them out) the body is remarkably efficient; if you can digest it (i.e. not fibre), you will either burn it or store it. If you can't adjust how much you burn by substantial exercise, then the answer is to reduce how much goes in at the front end. Most people, like myself, who think they have a slow metabolism simply don't realise how much they eat.

      Lets say you do an hour of moderate exercise in the gym a day; that's maybe 500-700 calories. If you work really really hard, that's 1000, absolute tops. 500 calories is the difference between a medium meal and a big meal; or a couple of cans of energy drink. Or a slice of cake. Or even just little snacks between meals. 130 calories a day over how much you expend (a can of coke), and that's 14 pounds weight gain a year.

      I've read the hackers diet and it's good advice for guys like us. I've started counting how much I eat. You know what? I massively underestimated how much I was really eating. All the little stuff really mounts up. Even when I thought I was being good, I wasn't.
      So now I count my calories (reasonably roughly) mainyl by weighing my food when I'm cooking it. I've cut down my portions by around 30% - which sounds like a lot, but honestly isn't considering I was eating past when I was full. I've substituted my crap snacks with fruit, and cut out the sweets, second portions, junk food and normal desserts. I record my weight daily on physicsdiet (which has a nice smoothing function for when you go up or down a few pounds due to water weight - it shows the overall trend very nicely)

      I still have three proper meals a day, and even have low-calorie desserts. I can put my hand on my heart, and honestly say I do not feel hungry. I'm eating 1700-odd calories a day, which is about half of what I'm expending. I don't go to the gym, and have only slightly increased how much exercise I do - parking at the far end of the carpark and walking the extra two minutes, a short stroll at lunch, that sort of thing.

      Going by the scales, I've lost 21 pounds in 6 weeks. According to the bodyfat it's almost entirely fat. I'm under 280 pounds for the first time in years. I can certainly wear trousers I haven't been able to wear for years. I've lost 4" off my waist. While I may not look much different, I do feel better - I certainly never feel starved. I'm going to try to fit some time in the gym a few days a week, but that will be in addition to the 1700 calories I'm already dieting.

      So my advice to you, original tnok85 - estimate how much you eat in a day. Then keep a food diary, and record how much you eat, in full detail. Record your weight daily on physicsdiet (which is basically an online version of the hackers diet spreadsheets), or even just in excel. I bet you'll be surprised at the difference between what you think you eat, and what you do eat.

      Then work out how many calories you'd likely spend in the gym, and see if you can cut that from your diet with low hanging fruit - the no-S diet may help here. Keep recording your weight daily. And see how you go.

      Me? I'm going to lose all this weight I've put on in 20 years through inattention, whether it takes 6 months, a year or 3 years. I'm likely going to have to keep a close eye on how much I cook, and weigh myself regularly for life. But the diet? It's not a diet. I'm just eating like a normal healthy person, instead of a normal healthy person who eats big meals and has the odd slice of cake.

      --
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    79. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Yeah....I'm a skinny bastard. 5'10", 138 lbs @ 34 years old.

      I eat like a horse...whatever I want, whenever I want it. Don't think about calories at all.

      Since leaving high school I've gained a total of maybe 15 lbs. And not for lack of trying....

      People say I'm really lucky that I don't have to watch what I eat. But between the grocery bill, and being hungry most of the time, I'm not sure it's that beneficial. :)

      And no, I don't have a tapeworm...

      --
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    80. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you are at a desk with the ability to eat at will, you do have an option to getting your metabolism sped up. Exercise helps of course, but I lost weight with and without exercise by eating correctly using a modified body builders diet - 6 small meals a day, properly macro-rationed between fats, carbs and proteins.

      BFFM - Burn the Fat Feed the Muscle...

      http://www.burnthefat.com/

      Seriously, I lost 40+ lbs in 7 months, kick started my metabolism and at the end of the weight loss portion, I ended up with a hernia and could not workout at all - and STILL lost those 'last 15 pounds' playing Jade Empire on Xbox. :)

      As you might guess, this isn't a diet, it is a change of your life that must occur - you have to eat right and understand the food you eat and how that food is processed.

      I have nothing to do with the book or the author. I bought the ebook on a whim because it made sense in the marketing speak I read and it was the BEST money I ever spent. If you are serious about getting yourself under control, and are willing to make a change in your living habits, you will achieve your goals.

      Reading the ebook was a chore sometime as the author kinda re-hashes things over and over, but when you are done, you are left with the tools to actually use what you've read. There is nothing new here, it is everything you might have heard in the gym or from friends. What you get, however, are effective ways to USE the knowledge that are easy to grasp.

      Good luck!!!

    81. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      I started on a low carb (no bread, no potatoes, no sugar), higher fat (mainly olive oil but some cream too) diet as an experiment a year ago.
      The result has been a stable and slowly dropping weight and (combined with limited exercise) slowly increasing lean muscle mass.

      Not so sure about my arteries of course. I could be pulling a James Fix.

      I recently started swimming--- it is high calorie but I hear raises your appetite.

      One thing Mr 12 hour could do is a few pushups at work. He could also bring a 20lb weight to work as I do and sneak in little 10 rep sets.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    82. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If the job is long term, find a place closer to work. Then bike to work. I've been working 8:30 to 17:30, with lots of overtime as a Senior Systems engineer onsite for one of our clients for 5 years. I bike into work 2 or three times a week (I'm a fair weather rider only 8))

      We have the advantage of showers onsite, and a safe place to stash our bikes, but any good emplyoer would probably be accomdating.

      If I drive, it takes about 20 mintes to get through rush traffic to my parking building, then 10 minutes to work to the office. If I catch the bus, it is about 30 minutes, If I ride, it's about 20 minutes in, but an hour to get home - there is a big hill 8)

    83. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Another aspect of this is getting over 8 hours a night's sleep (or sleeping until you wake up naturally if you wake up before 8 hours.

      Sleep starved == gaining weight.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    84. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by richtaur · · Score: 1

      Most optimal answer! You win!

    85. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      there was an AMAZING study (scarcasm) done this year that came to the conclusion that given a half dozen different diets, in the end WHAT you eat is completely secondary to HOW MUCH...

      I also remember a study i heard about on a podcast (60 second science, pretty good) where they found that the fattening of america is pretty much due completely to Supersizing It. They calculated the calories that we eat (farm products - feed for animals and non food uses - food exported + imported foods) and the increase in said calories in the the last few years. They also calculated the extra fat we carry around, and the calories within. They worked out pretty even, in fact we're a bit less fat than that would predict - exercise has mopped up a few pounds.

      So, no more shakes that count as a meal (1000+ calories), keep away from soda (as i sit here with a can on my desk).

    86. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by squidguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe you could try horse riding, I don't know
      Is that like the goatse guy? Hey wait, that involves exercise too!

    87. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mcvos · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally I think the poster is insane, firstly to take a job working 12 hour shifts for more than 3 days a week. Secondly for living 1.5 hours away, meaning a 3 hour commute every day. 12 + 3 + 8 (sleep) leaves a grand total of 1 hour a day to live!

      I wholeheartedly agree. If you work nightly shifts of 12 hours, you shouldn't be working more than 3 days a week. If you are working more than that, you should really be asking yourself the question if you're making enough money to retire before you burn out.

      Of course if the 12 hour shift includes plenty of time to doze off, read a book, work out or do some other fun stuff, it might be a different matter. But you're still living in your office rather than at home. Do you really like the facilities at your office more than your own home? Or does your shift include time to sleep? Because then you'd be able to spend those 8 hours at home on other stuff. Getting paid to sleep is about as good as it gets, but this situation doesn't sound like that.

    88. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I should add....

      It has been four years since I started using BFFM as a basis for my eating habits and I still have full control of my weight thanks to what I learned. I do fluctuate about 5-10 pounds only because I drink too much, lose my six-pack due to bloating (damn you cheap beer!!!) and then take a week to tighten back up!!! :) I live both an IT Security Engineer and an on-the-road Rockstar lifestyle... Neither of them are much good for eating right if you don't know the rules.

       

    89. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sexconker · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Dump" being the operative word.

    90. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      50 lbs since December thanks to "The Hackers Diet". Now, if I could only stop smoking :)

    91. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mcvos · · Score: 1

      If those 12 hours are stressful, it's a really stupid job and he should quit while he's still alive.

    92. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Bobartig · · Score: 1

      There's a japanese, or okinawan phrase, "hara hachi bun", which roughly translates into eating to 80% satiety. The concept is that you eat until you are 80% full, meaning you are sated, but you could certainly eat more. This sort of pre-empts overeating, and is one factor in the okinawan lifestyle that leads to them having particularly long lifespans, low obesity, and maybe some other great stuff.

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      This is where I get my recommended daily allowance of "Foot in Mouth."
    93. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by samurphy21 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Dive Bombers. You mean the exercise that you do by going through a push up motion, except instead of remaining rigid you.. COMPRESS YOUR LOWER BACK?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttk8RdiIHzA

      This looks FAR harder on the lower back (bent backwards in the final position) than a crunch where your lower back never moves or leaves the floor. If you are involving your lower back in a crunch, you're doing it wrong.

    94. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hattig · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I mean I'm looking at a situation soon where I could have a 2 hour commute to and from work (I currently have a 1 hour commute, but I rent a room close to work, and I own a house where I used to work. Sadly some bankers made the world bad and it's awkward to relocate) but it would be on the train and bus (and these buses are new and have leather seats and free WiFi). The commute would be longer, but I would be back at my home every evening, and I can get my daily websurfing done whilst travelling, instead of in the evening on the computer in my rented room.

      But I only have 8 hour days at work. Even with 8 hours sleep, I would have 4 hours every evening to do non-work, non-internet, non-travelling stuff. Hell, I could do some work on the train and leave early on Friday. Or argue to work from home one day a week. I'd get to see my cat every day! Dunno if my girlfriend would like it though, 'cos she's in London (where I work), not Cambridge.

    95. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ethanol-fueled has very good suggestions.
      I worked 12.5 hour night shifts for awhile. You find a gym and work out for an hour 3x a week. Watch what you eat, drink water instead of soda, and walk around while on your breaks. Your 15 hour plus workout still leaves time for sleep. You also don't spend an hour getting ready.

      If you want a relationship, get a new job as fast as you can.

    96. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Kaboom13 · · Score: 1

      In theory, eating ice and pissing it out hot is "flushing heat". It's not particularly effective at weight loss though (although enough will give you hypothermia, which can make you lose limbs, which means you would weigh less).

    97. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My friend installed one of these in our dorm room. Simple clip installs over the door frame, so you can remove it whenever.

      A couple of guys at work started doing the "hundred pushups" program.

    98. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by whereizben · · Score: 1

      Insoluble fiber, that "flush" calories don't count as calories, and soluble fiber contains calories that "count". Protein, on its own, does nothing at all to build muscle - protein is part of what allows the body to build muscle, but only exercise actually builds the muscle, and you have to build a lot of muscle to burn fat, so simply upping protein intake is not a real solution either. The small snacks thing, and the proper breakfast, do help though. And exercise is basically the best cure - take a look at the national weight loss registry - people who were successful at losing and keeping weight off (>30 pounds, off for >1 year) worked out at least 5 times a week, at least an hour each time.

    99. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by whereizben · · Score: 1

      This is not a solution - things like crunches, pushups, etc., burn, compared to aerobic exercise, VERY few calories - take a look at any calorie calculator on the web and you will see this is true.

    100. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by log1385 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A few other suggestions...

      If you work in a multi-story building, take the stairs instead of the elavator. I've heard testimonies of people who have lost a few pounds in the space of weeks just by walking up two flights of stairs every day instead of using the elevator. Also, park farther away and make yourself take a walk. Little things like that, together with a healthful diet, can go a long way.

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    101. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 1
      Not quite that simple. Do you eat lunch? Do you need a full hour in which to do it? I have found that eating my lunch in 15 minutes and walking outside for 45 has been a great help in losing weight. Even 15 minutes of walking is better than 0. At work, take the stairs and not the elevator. Get up, pace around. You'll find that this also clears your head and makes you more effective at your job. Might also help alleviate some of those persistent aches and pains you're bound to have with that much time immobile.

      There are a lot of little things you can do that add up -- without it becoming a choice between "sleep" and "get fat".

    102. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      My body tends to dump "excess calories" after a hard night of tequila.

    103. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your digestive system isn't 100% efficient, and the human body will, at times, dump excess calories.

      You can excrete calories as sugars, fat, or (extra) protein, and all of those are caused by some kind of medical problem or lack of enzyme. That's not something that simply comes and goes, and it's something you can't miss.

      But the point is, yes, someone else can have the same diet and exercise routine as you have, and still weigh a very different amount.

      If you have a medical problem with your digestive tract, yeah, you will often lose weight. But that's not how healthy people stay thin.

      Differences in weight between healthy people are due to eating habits and metabolism.

    104. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by default+luser · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but they create muscle, which burns more calories 24/7.

      It's not a replacement for cardio, but that's something he can do on the WEEKENDS, along with real weight training. We're just finding things here he can do on the job.

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      And occasionally whores for Karma.

    105. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mdwh2 · · Score: 1

      But the submitter is working 60-72 hour weeks! If he was only doing 36 hours, he'd have plenty of time to exercise on the days that he isn't working...

    106. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      Drink lots of coffee - working that shift will turn you into a zombie. Coffee (and tobacco, not recommended) keep you alert, give you something to look forward to, and supress the appetite so you...

      Why not drop a pill in the morning i hear its great for appetite too!

      I do vouch for night jogs i don't even try and keep fit, but night jogs are pretty cool/peaceful if you live somewhere you can do them i definitely would recommended it (or for the lazier among us, long walks are also good 1-2hrs of wandering around a city is only fun at night)

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    107. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Rycross · · Score: 1

      I hope that you've had a doctor check you out for digestive track issues. Might be just a high metabolism, but I also had a friend who was unnaturally skinny. Turned out he had Crohns, and the late diagnosis made things hard on him.

    108. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Mursk · · Score: 1

      James Fix? Please explain. And before you google that for me, I already tried it and didn't come up with anything that appeared to explain the reference.

      --
      "This thing does science so hard, you say, 'I've never seen that much science.'" -Sam
    109. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      http://www.halhigdon.com/Articles/Fixx.htm

      James Fixx.

      Left off an "X".

      He ran a lot, ate a fatty diet. fell over dead at 52 with 3 arteries blocked.
      Appeared to be in fabulous shape in pictures because he ran so much.

      However, he could have had problems with the sneaky things they are doing to our food to maximize profits.
      http://www.bhia.org/saturatedfats.htm

      And he may have just been doomed- his dad died at 49.

      --
      She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    110. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Cross-Threaded · · Score: 1

      So that would be the "ta-kill-ya" diet then....

      --
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    111. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by digitalunity · · Score: 1

      Idle muscles burn few calories. More so than idle fat, but the fact remains.

      Weight training alone will not make a fat person skinny. Cardio alone without weight training is a slow process, but doable. Best practice means doing both.

      Personally, I do kickboxing aerobics 3 times per week and 30-45 minutes of weights on other days. So far, after just a month, I can see the results and I haven't even trimmed back my carb intake, which I should do. I have tried hardcore cardio before without weights and it didn't seem especially effective.

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    112. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by digitalunity · · Score: 1

      From what I have read online, people have gone to the extremes when they go on low carb diets. Some people do all they can to cut every carbohydrate they can from their diet.

      I guess people don't realize that you must consume at least some carbs to stay healthy. As in all things in life, moderation is key.

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      You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
    113. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by serutan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      His job choice isn't really the topic here, but like you I can't help wondering why anyone in his right mind would take a job like that. If he's willing to put up with the hours and the commute, you would think he would be more than willing to relocate so he can have a life.

    114. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by digitalunity · · Score: 1

      It was recently reported that there is in fact large diversity in the proportions and types of bacteria living among people in their intestines.

      I'm a little surprised more work hasn't gone into studying the bacteria types and trying to find correlation, or better yet, causation between the types of predominant bacteria people have and their weight.

      I would bet money there is at least correlation.

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      You can't legislate goodness. Let each to his own destiny, by will of his freely made choices.
    115. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Chosen+Reject · · Score: 1

      go ahead Google it

      The problem with googling for exercise advice is that so many places contradict each other. Some times it's because they are selling something, but sometimes it's because they are just behind the times. It would be nice if I could find a trust worthy site all about exercise science. Specifically I want to build muscle mass. I don't want to look like Flex Wheeler. I'm just a skinny guy that wants to get bigger, more http://www.fastmusclegain.com/>like this transition. But even that last link looks more like they're trying to sell something so I have a hard time believing any of it.

      In short, where are we supposed to go to get the most up-to-date info on exercising?

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    116. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Hojima · · Score: 1

      I was told by a doctor and many people in the fitness world that diet is many many times more important than exercise. There is no workout (save for long-distance Olympic training maybe) that can work of an extremely terrible diet. For best results from a diet, you need the right ratio of caloric intake. Try this website: http://www.mikesfitness.com/article_fitnessguide.php

      (p.s. I'm not plugging anything--it's free)

    117. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      Nutrition is the most important part of a weight-loss regimen. If something is called a diet, be suspect of it. The only way to be fit is through life change, not dieting. Eat the rainbow--red tomatoes, oranges, yellow squash (e.g.), green leafy veggies, blueberries, and purple eggplant and beets and such), get healthy fats (fish, nuts, olive oil)--and get plenty of protein from lean meats (or quinoa, soy, etc. if vegetarianism is your bag).

      1hr thrice a week is sufficient for weightlifting. Spend 30 minutes doing cardio thrice a week. That is sufficient for an above-average level of fitness.

      And for God's sake, don't starve yourself. Starving yourself to drop weight means your metabolism will be suppressed, and when you stop starving yourself (as it's impossible to sustain), a reversion back to regular eating patterns will cause a dramatic weight increase because (1) your metabolism is lower and (2) you have probably destroyed your muscles, decreasing your basal metabolic rate.

      Low carb diets are bullshit. Low fat diets are bullshit. They all hide the ball. The important thing is to eat plenty of fruits, veggies, and lean meats (or alternative protein sources if you're not of the carnivorous persuasion) while keeping calories down. "Diets" just hide the ball.

      And realize my comment here is painting with broad strokes, so it's inevitable that I'm oversimplifying. Read up on nutrition and fitness. I suggest finding books written by people who are themselves in great shape.

      Finally, if you can't spare 30 minutes a day to be fit, then you don't deserve to be fit. It's 30 minutes. It's literally the time you read one page of Slashdot crap. Get up and move.

      You can do it.

    118. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      If it bothers you, it wouldn't hurt to have your thyroid hormone levels checked.

    119. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kriyasurfer · · Score: 1

      On a crunch, you are supporting part of your your body weight with your abs against gravity. On the dive bombers, you are arching the opposite way.

    120. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by VelocityZero · · Score: 1

      You can also do rows with a table, just get under it, hold on and pull yourself up. Lunges, prison squats, and 1 legged squats/deadlifts with get your legs. Just do sit ups, their simple. But if you don't want the compression, planks, hand-walkouts, whatev. IF you can, you can do handstands/handstand pushups against a wall The pullup bar would be rockin'

    121. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we all park as close as we can to the building. Hot as hell out here right now.

      OTOH we do all take the stairs, and our campus is 6 or so buildings, with our division split between two of them, so we exercise by walking briskly to the meetings we are inevitably late for ;)

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    122. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anrego · · Score: 1

      I can totally attest to this! I have always had a lot of trouble dedicating time to just "working out" .. but doing a few pull ups when I get up to stretch my legs (something I do quite often) is fairly easy and seems to make a difference.

      I've also found going a few rounds with a punching bag to be something I can do without feeling like it's a big hassle. (though obviously this probably won't work in an office environment)

    123. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I worked in a high volume NOC at a large company from 7pm-7am for a number of years. Here is what I suggest you do:

      * Consult your manager and let him/her know what your plan is so it doesn't conflict with your coworker's lunch breaks
      * Get to work 15 minutes early, eat dinner/breakfast then.
      * Snack throughout the night on fruit or something healthy
      * Take your "lunch" between to 4:30 and 5:30. Since you say you work at a large company, I will assume they have a gym. Run on the treadmill for your 30 minute break, washup and go back to work.
      * When your shift is over, eat breakfast/dinner before you go home.

      This will allow you to workout at work instead of using your free time at home, and working out later in the shift 1) may ensure less conflict with breaks with your coworkers and more importantly 2) running will wake you up and get your blood pumping up so you are not nodding out during the drive home.

    124. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      entitled by law a 15 minute break every 2.5 hours

      Where is that the law? As opposed to good sense and a reason not to quit?

    125. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by linzeal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, you are not going to build muscle mass doing some random activity on the weekends unless it is stocking shelves with free weights. Remember, you will begin losing it moderately at first but as you age the loss of muscle mass will increase greatly. Secondly, sure you might get some light cardio doing something outside every weekend but that is not going to keep your heart and lungs working as efficiently as they could if you spent even one day a week running, swimming laps or biking to work. BTW, regular sex works if you can use your partner's weight as well as your own during coitus. It might help that my current significant other weighs about 110 lbs but you would be surprised what 30 minutes of vigorous sex can do for you physically and mentally with the right person. I have never been in better shape physically than when I was dating 4 women at once in my early 20's even if mentally I was a bit off. The reason many people who have sex a lot look 'sexy' is because they are having sex a lot.

      Some of the replies on this article have been dangerous in recommending what amounts to a training regime for a front line infantry grunt or a super spy ninja but your attitude is almost as dangerous. Aerobic Exercise and Anaerobic resistance/weight training during your 20's, 30's, 40's can stave off many chronic diseases later in life. My personal preference is sex with a degree of athleticism with an intimate other and it has kept me below a 34" waist at 6'2" into my 30's.

    126. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Ok, yes, you can't just eat what you want. However, it's not as simple as just "more calories".

      Correct.

      Protein builds muscle, and muscle burns more calories than fat.

      Almost--protein is used to build muscle, yes, but you can only build muscles by lifting weights or other strenuous physical activity.

      To the OP: the REAL solution to your problem is to find another job. 15 hours per day at work or on the road? That is ROUGH. It's not tough to fit a workout routine in there, but the real problem is getting enough sleep. (I'll get to that in a minute.) If finding another job is not an option, here's what you MUST do if you want to improve your physical condition. Even if you can't do this 100% due to your schedule, do as much of it as possible, especially changing your diet, because that alone will make a big difference.

      Exercise: If you want to lose fat and look better, you need to build muscle. More muscle means a higher metabolism, because it takes a lot of energy to maintain, and thus you will enjoy much greater/easier fat loss. The only way you are going to build muscle is by lifting weights. It only takes 30-45 minutes in the gym to get a good day's workout if you don't dick around and waste time. You can easily do this on your lunch break instead of eating lunch. (Read down below to see what to do about food.) You only need to work out 3-4 days per week. Every other day is an excellent, easy schedule that can't fail. More is generally NOT better because your goal is to stimulate your muscles to grow, not destroy them beyond your body's ability to repair them between workouts.

      A workout routine is hard at first, not only because you have no muscle to speak of, but because you don't yet know a damn thing about effective workout routines. (Don't feel bad; most people I see at the gym don't either.) You can learn a lot on the net (and I certainly suggest you read up as much as possible) but it will still take you at least 6 months of working out to really "learn" your body and see what it responds to. It really is a continuous learning process, but with some basic research you can be seeing results in as little as 2 weeks, and it only gets better from there. I would suggest reading tmuscle.com. Here's a couple great articles to get you started:

      http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/training_for_newbies_part_1
      http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/training_for_newbies_part_2

      Here's the main thing to keep in mind: as a newbie, you need to concentrate on doing compound exercises, that is, exercises which target a number of muscles instead of just one. This means DO NOT use machines, use free weights and cables only. Again, this will be difficult because there are hundreds of muscles on your body that need a lot of work, but stick with it and you'll be glad you did. You don't have to become a professional body builder or anything. Just build a decent amount of muscle; not only will you lose fat but you will just plain all around look and feel much better.

      Sleep: Your muscles don't grow when you're exercising, they grow while you're asleep. You need to get a FULL night's rest every night. If you can't wake up on your own without an alarm clock when it's time to get up, then you are not getting enough sleep. I hope you're one of those people who feels fully rested after 6 hours of sleep, because if you're like me and you require 9-10 hours of sleep, then you're pretty much screwed since you just don't have enough time.

      Diet: This is THE most important part of staying in shape. You should eat a small meal every 2-3 hours, instead of a few large meals through the day. By small, I mean something as simple as a pint of chocolate milk makes an exc

    127. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Your schedule makes it tough to get a good workout easily, but it is certainly not impossible. While I made significant gains in my physical and mental fitness (they are co-dependent on each other), the way I achieved it might not help you. However, I can tell you how my Dad did it. My Dad works 12+ hour workdays daily, with some days being full day shits. After work, he hits the gym for 45 minutes. He keeps his food intake under control, and is usually somewhat active on his spare time. He's maintained a 32" waistline for several years now, and has weighed 160 or so for the same length of time. As for me, I got on the bike and stepped away from the computer. Doing that dropped me to 164 from 185 and to a 32" waistline. Managing my diet has kept me between 155 and 160 with a 30" waistline, while feeling great and looking even better. It's all about being active and eating healthy. There is no magic pill; any that claim to be will fuck you up.

    128. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      You are right, but I'd like to add that a newbie should not be doing any ab routines AT ALL. Ab exercises are for people who already have muscle, not newbies who have nothing.

    129. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Yes, aerobic exercises do burn slightly more calories than lifting weights, WHILE you are doing the exercise, but this does not take into account the massive calories needed to rebuild those muscles (while you are asleep), nor does it account for the increase in metabolism that occurs from having increased muscle mass. In the long run weight lifting is FAR superior to aerobics for weight loss, and he'll look and feel a hell of a lot better too.

    130. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Weight training alone will not make a fat person skinny.

      Yes, it most certainly will, but you're right in that just doing one month of piss poor weight training (then giving up) won't make a fat person skinny. A good weight training routine combined with good diet and sleep will most certainly do wonders to get rid of fat, and make the person look better as well.

      It sounds like you are doing well for yourself, but I would suggest that you do NOT cut back your carb intake. You are working the hell out of your body by weight lifting and doing all those aerobics, so you definitely need a lot of carbs for energy. If you feel fine, have enough energy, and aren't gaining fat (probably not since you are seeing results), then your carb intake is just fine. You may even try increasing carbs some and see if that helps out any.

    131. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True your digestive system isn't 100% efficient which is why you have waste products. However you seem to be implying that this means that everyone does this at significantly different rates. I.e. Given a group of people with identical diets (or possibly simple caloric value) and identical energy expenditures will have an inefficiency that is significantly different. i.e One person absorbs only 60% of what would normally be the bioavailable calories.

      Two things:

      a) One doesn't imply the other - people can be inefficient but within a small margin.
      b) With the notable exception of people with specific disorders (i.e. lacking an enzyme) it simply isn't true in the large sense (sure there some effects that have been experimentally validated but they are are pretty small - especially if you read the studies with a critical eye).

      One thing I will say is that people who write things like this don't seem to think it through. If there was really a significant variance - it would show up in a bunch of places - for example it would be very difficult (or simply lucky) to use regression to come up with a useful BMR formula without a pretty large error (depending on how big the alleged difference is - you haven't mentioned which kind of says to me that you really don't know anything about the subject).

      The short answer is that although there may be variances in how much you gain based on how much you take in (or how much you burn for that mater) these values, even collectively are likely significantly outweighed by the simple formula of "calories consumed" vs "calories burned".

    132. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kriyasurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Good point. I retract what I said about doing those alternate ab stuff.

      I still think squats that work the quads done without any bending of the waist at an aerobic speed (a la Matt Furey) is probably the best bang for the buck.

      I had written elsewhere more passive things someone can do:

      * Stand instead of sitting in front of the computer desk. Drop into "horse stance", so long as the knees are aligned and don't go over the toes. Merely standing triggers a metabolic gear shift.

      * Walk in a half-crouch with the spine straight and the head level (no bopping up and down). The weight should be on the quads and some on the feet. Resist the temptation to fall into the step (by minimizing striking of the heel). In other words, you end up carrying more of your weight on one leg instead of doing a sort of controlled forward fall like most people do when walking.

    133. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by woodlander · · Score: 1

      The only other advice I have is to cut out drinking anything besides water. Soda is especially bad for you. Anything with high fructose corn syrup in it (most anything you'd get at 7-11 or the like) is tough for your body to digest. If you are out of shape, working out is going to burn a lot of fat. That fat is stored garbage. Your body is going to be working hard to get rid of that garbage. Water will help that process.

      In my experience, this is great advice. You can take in an enormous number of calories in soft drinks, sugary coffee drinks etc..

    134. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Recently, his doctor put him on a 4500 calorie diet. As in, he had to eat over twice what he was previously eating. The whole point of that was to get his body to be less efficient with calories, because his metabolism wasn't letting him lose weight even though he ate less than me (at half his weight). That seems counter-intuitive. One might even say "magical" if it works, and apparently it has helped quite a lot.

      I think you misunderstand what's happening here. When you starve yourself, your body starts burning off lean mass. It doesn't touch the fat unless it absolutely has to (i.e. it's already burned off your muscle and now there's no other choice to keep you alive.) On the other hand, when you are eating small meals regularly throughout the day and are eating close to your calorie requirements, your body exits the "panic" mode and starts burning off some fat.

      The thing is, how much fat you burn is related to your metabolism. If you don't have much muscle, because you're a geek who sits behind a desk and has tried starving himself to lose weight, then your metabolism isn't going to be that high and you're not going to lose very much fat. It takes a proper diet, plenty of sleep, a good exercise routine, and a lot of time to really lose that fat.

    135. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shiftless · · Score: 1

      Exercise IS fun. It's just not fun at first because you're a pathetic weakling with no muscles to speak of, who's body is not used to doing any work. After a week the soreness is gone, and after a month or two it becomes a routine like anything else, if not something you really enjoy.

    136. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exercise fail

      Warm up first, *then* stretch. Stretching first, when your muscles are cold is a great way to injure yourself. Ideally would be walk/slow jog for 5-10 minutes. Then stop and stretch. Then run/jog at the normal workout rate.

      Remember folks: Warm up to stretch, not stretch to warm up.

    137. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by spacey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      At my office we've been having some fun by trying to get to 100 pushups using the schedule at the site hundredpushups.com. I haven't gotten to 100, but I've gotten as far as 83, which from 35 6 weeks ago is still huge.

      These sorts of programs work out much better with peers so that you can encourage each other. It's something you can do at your desk if you have 2 or 3 co-workers who want to join you and it's really invigorating. You get to see what kind of people you're working with, too.

      -Peter

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    138. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't a plug for Weight Watchers, but if you've tried it and really looked at the little
      sliderule they give you for calculating "points" then you know that they count fiber
      as negative calories ( -10 cal per gram of fiber, up to 4g per serving) and nearly
      double charge for the calories taken as fat. They also count exercise at about half
      the calories actually burned.

      If you can't fit exercise in as a separate time, work it in to your job. Walk faster and use less
      direct routes to where you're going. Take a ten minute break and pace around the lab
      for a while. Take the stairs. Two at a time.

    139. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I've been keeping track of mine for about 20 days (when I started using my bicycle for moderately short trips, about 10 km a day), and it's dropped from 86 to 64

      86 resting? Damn, I'm sorry, but that is just shockingly bad. Glad you're in a normalish range now.

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    140. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. A calorie is a unit of heat. Fiber may prevent absorption of certain carbohydrates in the intestines, etc, but nothing can "flush heat".

      True, but immaterial. A calorie is a unit of heat, and calories consumed are what they are, but a calorie consumed and not absorbed is the same as a calorie not consumed for purposes of this discussion. The same is true of calories consumed through protein. They are absorbed very inefficiently and won't affect fat loss or gain as much as simple carbohydrates or fat.

      Lowering your caloric intake and increasing your caloric output is the best way to lose weight, but consuming more difficult to process calories helps too.

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    141. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by hofmny · · Score: 1

      I would say read books (or e-books). I would start with Pavel Tsatsouline. He was responsible with bringing the Kettlebell to the mainstream American. In fact, I recommend you work out with a Kettlebell, as its offers true core strength training and it doesn't do muscle isolation, but works 2 or 3 muscles in one exercise. Isolation is not all its cracked up to be, however, I don't totally avoid isolation, but I try to do what Men's Health calls combo lifts or Kettlebell exercises. I have a bench and free weights and still do traditional exercises. You gotta mix it up or you body gets used to doing the same thing and you stop getting gains.

      However, start out reading this book: http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Bodybuilding-Strength-Training-Secrets/dp/B000QRXTVY

      This book talks about how to really get strong by lifting, the do's and don't, etc. It's really an eye opener. It starts off talking about the 5-5-5 program. 1 set, 5 reps -- per exercise, and you do 5 exercises. Do this 5 days a week. You must lift HEAVY weights though for this program. Really heavy. To gauge if it is too heavy or not, you should be able to do 2 more reps or so after doing the 5. Don't actually do them, but if you can just do a few more, you are lifting the max weight for you, which is 70% to 90% of your 1RM (one rep max).

      My friends laughed at me when I said I was doing this 5-5-5 program. But my body transformed to have proportionally sized but bigger arms, chest, legs etc, and I even got 6-pack abs -- something I tried for in my entire life. And I did this in only 3 to 4 months (of course I did 30 to 60 min of cardio too for fat burning). I did isolation like chest presses and such, but I also did pullups/chinups. Then, after two months, I swtiched to kettlebell and non-isolation based exercises (cleans, presses, Turkish Getups, etc).
      I highly recommend this book.

      I will tell you one secret. Its called Janda Sit ups (no you don't need to buy the device on the Internet). A Janda sit up (http://www.cbass.com/HardestSitup.htm) works by getting in sit up position, legs at a 90 degree angle, and then tensing your gluts (butt) and hamstrings -- then doing a sit up. You will find it is nearly impossible to do, so you can cheat my relaxing some tension in those muscles. However, doing this once a day, 5 times, for a few months, COUPLED with cardio WILL get you six pack abs.

      Another good book that gave me A LOT of great direction (i read this when I first started working out Senior year of College) is The Men's Health Hard Body Plan : The Ultimate 12-Week Program for Burning Fat and Building Muscle. http://www.amazon.com/Mens-Health-Hard-Body-Plan/dp/1579542298. This book explains all the major muscles, how they work, what exercises work out what, which exercises in one workout give yo more gains, etc. It's a reall knowledgebase for working out. It also talks about when you should eat food, what you should eat relevant to when you work out. It also has create myth busting tips and really really good workout examples for you to follow. Some of them are very tough and tiring, which is why you must eat right (the book also covers).

      Hope this helps. Try searching the net for the Pavel videos on Kettlebell. It is a bit over the top but definitely worth it.

    142. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by imnes · · Score: 1

      This little gadget has helped me: http://www.bodybugg.com/ Keeps accurate track of calories burned throughout the day, all day every day. Keep track of food you eat, you know exactly how many calories you took in. This device will show you what you burn just sitting around at work all day. You can adjust your calories-in, and exercise, to get to the deficit you need to lose weight. After a few months I can even see trends in how many calories I burn eating 6-7 small meals vs 2-3 large meals a day, the smaller meals really do seem to boost your metabolism. Good luck.

    143. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by simcop2387 · · Score: 1

      only problem with this is that it assumes you've got a door frame :/

    144. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by DrgnDancer · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I knew a guy in college you ate pretty much continuously, and mostly the "worst" foods possible (He had a real thing for Spam that I will NEVER understand, and no he wasn't from Hawaii), and was skinny as a rail. Not unhealthy, clearly not absorbing calories skinny, but skinny "I'm a waif" skinny. He didn't exercise much either, unless drinking beer counts. I don't know if he had a less efficient digestive system or just burned more calories doing less work, but his weight did NOT reflect his diet.

      I ate (slightly, it WAS college) better, worked out way more (I was teaching martial art professionally at the time) and was comparatively heavier (not fat by any stretch, but heavier).

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    145. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by imnes · · Score: 1

      I would also add - get your workout in during your lunch break. If you get an hour for lunch, spend 30-45 minutes working out, should leave time to eat lunch before returning to your desk. If you don't have a gym close to your work, bring a change of clothes and take a jog / walk every day. Nobody has extra time to workout you just have to fit it in where you can.

    146. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dduberfourpres · · Score: 1

      The hell is rocket surgery?

    147. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      There are already studies that show correlation, and even theories about what the causal relationship is. I don't remember specifics off-hand, though.

    148. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by arekusu_ou · · Score: 1

      He can move closer to work and get 8 hours back a week.

    149. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Fropod · · Score: 1

      This is more about maintaining the bodies health, through proper balanced intake of a wide variety of nutrients. Eating a well balanced diet which far exceeds the bodies need for energy will still result in increased fat stores.

    150. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      One doesn't imply the other - people can be inefficient but within a small margin.

      I wasn't using one to imply the other, I was stating both as true. Now, I don't have any scientific studies on hand to show that either is true, but I have read about studies into this, besides having observed anecdotal evidence of my own.

      If there was really a significant variance - it would show up in a bunch of places

      Yeah, and it does. It shows up all over the place where there are people who are rather strict about their diet and are still heavier than others who overeat. It even happens for particular people over time-- someone who's thin at 20 eating whatever he wants may need to be more strict about his diet later in life.

      The phenomenon has been observed for a long time, and there isn't any real disagreement about whether it happens. It's just that, since they haven't nailed down all the causes and don't have treatments yet, often the best they can offer is "eat less and exercise more". That's good advice, but it's not the end of the story.

      There has been evidence that changes in emotional and psychology states can have an effect on your metabolism. Being stressed out can not only cause you to put on more fat, but it can even cause you to put on fat in different places. There have been studies that suggest that the kind of bacteria in your digestive system has an effect on how many calories you'll absorb from a set amount of food.

      So I'm not saying that advising people to exercise more and eat less is bad, but just pointing out that the reality of what goes on in our bodies is much more complicated than "number of calories eaten - number of calories worked off by exercise = number of calories turned into fat". If you see a fat guy and a skinny guy, it's not necessarily true that they skinny guy eats less or exercises more.

    151. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know what you need. You need the Hawaii chair.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9_amg-Aos4

    152. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with above. I worked the exact schedule and not only was it impossible to have steady time to work out, the physical demands of that kind of commute were brutal. I was always dog tired. In his given situation though, he may want to spend some time at an all night gym during the week end. Also finding ways to stay active at work would help. Calorie and fodd intake should be closely monitored. But moving closer or getting a new job is the real solution.

    153. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by el+americano · · Score: 1

      If that works for you, then great, but...

      Calories are king. It has been shown that how many calories you eat is much more important than what kind of calories you eat, for losing weight. This matches what is obvious for most people before they encounter a fad diet book that explains it has the best, trademarked way of losing weight.

      The additional diet techniques can be used once you have the basics down, but too many people think that eating grapefruits, high protein, low carbs, etc. is going to work when calories aren't being reduced first.

      Eat less and exercise more?? Who knew?

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    154. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's got 15 hour work days. 12 hours he gets paid for. 3 hours he pays through the nose for the privilege of an even more stressful, much more boring task. No time for 1 hour of exercise if he also wants to eat.

    155. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Katchu · · Score: 1

      I checked out your resource--The Hackers Diet--and it looks to be not unusable ;^). I plan to read and follow that myself. If I had some points right now I'd want to add all of them to this reply. Thank you.

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    156. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ibbie · · Score: 1

      Conversely - treating your body like a temple, eating the right things, exercising, staying slim doesn't ensure you will live beyond 50 either. Chances are higher, sure, but it's not a guarantee.

      It doesn't give any sort of guarantee, but I must say that, having experienced being both "in shape" and "a fat bastard", the quality of life is much better while being in shape.

      I'd suggest that the OP at least start some mild strength training. I know, after a long day, it sucks (I have 11 hour days, myself), but crunches and push ups only take like 10 minutes at the most (: until you actually get in shape, at least). The more lean muscle you put on, the more efficient your body is at burning off calories - even while resting. And after a few weeks of it, maybe a month, you'll really start to feel better, and perhaps feel better about yourself in the bargain.

      YMMV, obviously.

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    157. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like you should sell self-help books! Do you have a link?

    158. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, cardio isn't all it's cracked up to be. however muscle = faster metabolism is largely myth. you cannot build enough muscle to make more than a few percentage points difference in your resting metabolism.

    159. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I work the exact same schedule as you described also in a tech ops environment and I am losing weight... I "contracted" Crohn's disease about 7 years ago and have lost a net of about 60 pounds during that time (mostly during a couple of bad flare ups). Of course shitting your pants is sometimes awkward, but that is the price you pay for being beautiful right?

    160. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by GreedyFly · · Score: 1

      I'd love to take the stairs but our OH&S rules don't allow for employees to use the stairs anymore a they are classed as a fire escape and your somehow creating a hazardous obstruction.

      Has the world gone mad?

    161. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok listen you have to learn how to mix working out into your daily schedule. For instance your in the office at your desk now say you go to the bathroom is their a sink in your bathroom yes i know now put ur hands on that sink do a set of inverted pushups on that sink it will work out ur upper chest do as many push ups as you can i do a 100 maybe u cant do as many as u can do a set of pushups when u wake up do a set before u go to sleep do a set of pushups when u wake up mix in a set of pushups wherever u can it only takes 30 seconds to do a set of 100 pushups maybe u cant do that but remember it takes u only 1 min to do maybe 30 pushups only 1min to do a set of squats if u learn to mix them in sparingly something is better then nothing it does great for me im sure it will do great for you. I always get compliments on my body i rarely ever go to the gym but i figure wtf is 1min to do something i benefit so well off of. Email me at Sahitb@gmail.com if you want more details to this type of all day long type of workout.

    162. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      I'm not kidding. Has been even worse. I didn't start recording it for my own purposes until a bit into my starting exercising.

      Last time I went to the doctor, he had a very puzzled look on his face when he checked my heart and blood pressure, so he asked me to just lie down for about five minutes. My blood pressure was in a very good zone, but my resting heart rate while lying down and after five minutes of resting was ninety something.

    163. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This may be THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE PIECE OF EXERCISE EQUIPMENT ANYONE IS LIKELY TO EVER BUY."

      Wrong. Pick "anyone", and I'll bet they are unlikely to buy a "swiss ball". Why? Here's the reason, no offense intended. They are very effeminate and "wussy". Guys who care about others' opinions will never use one. In fact, there is something about sitting on a giant ball and wiggling around that makes most hetero guys just cringe inside their heads. OK, in brutally simple and honest terms, if you sit on one, you're either a chick or a homo, or will be thought of as a homo. And say what you will about discrimination, the fact is that most guys these days will still go to great lengths to avoid having their sexual orientation guessed wrongly. You may not believe me or like it, you may object to my use of non-PC terms (fuck you), but this is Truth. We as a culture are just not ready for the swiss ball.

      PS Rocket SURGERY? What's next, brain science? Earthlings: you fail.

      Hey, you sound like a homo!.. it doesn't change the fact that you are a wrong homo!!! Go research the facts before your make yourself even more of a homo by spending money on more expensive gear that does less. Worried you might be accused of being a homo? You're a latent homo then. Go put a michael jackson mask on and wait for a boyfriend in the truck stop!!!

    164. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by shrikel · · Score: 1

      A calorie is a unit of heat.

      A calorie is a unit of energy. Fiber may flush chemical energy out of the system before it has a chance to be broken down and harvested by the digestive system.

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    165. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A calorie is a unit of energy.

      Heat is specifically the transfer of thermal energy, which happens to be the original definition of the calorie. Scientifically it's the same as energy, just more specific in its usage. So semantically, you are less precise. But thanks for the "correction"!

    166. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Saysys · · Score: 1

      "but not 1 lb for every 3500 missing calories." YES IT DOES!

      But your BMI is lower so you end up with less than 3500 missing. This is a bad sign, compensate with exorcise as essential that is what you are giving up with a lower bmi.

      most people hover around 1500-1800 as a minimum before their lack of food intake hurts metabolism.

    167. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this, every summer I work every second day for 24h. After 15x 24h rounds I do feel like zombie-like.

    168. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by beerbear · · Score: 1

      No, I didn't miss it.
      I had several 'mainstream medicine' doctors check me out and they all agreed. Seems like a biased article to me.

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    169. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      If you want to burn the most calories, you need to exercise the largest muscles in your body - the ones on your legs. I.e. go running, or cycling or even use the other ~75% of your body and do fastish squats (can be done in the comfort of your own home).

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    170. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Is that like the goatse guy? Hey wait, that involves exercise too!

      Well, mainly stretching....

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    171. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Another option for aerobic exercise: jump rope. Back when I did karate, that was our main aerobic exercise because there's not much else you can do in a 400 sq. ft. room...

      I have a better [IMHO] option, Jumping Jacks (See google images).

      I tried Jump rope while doing my PhD but it is very cumbersome to do in "the cube", and it has a learning curve which will frustrate you while you are doing it.

      Another exercise is I think called "cross country", (you can see an example of this exercise around second 43 of this video).

      If you can install a "game" in your computer (even a laptop that you can take from home) the Yourself!Fitness program may be good for you (the PC/PS2 version of the Wii Fitness Coach program).

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    172. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by MattskEE · · Score: 1

      Nice tip, thanks! I'm going to try that out, along with the companion twohundredsitups.com.

    173. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Kijori · · Score: 1

      This is actually totally normal. When you don't eat enough to meet your calorie needs, your body reacts to stop you starving; your leptin levels will drop dramatically, causing your metabolism to plummet and, crucially, shifting from burning fat to burning muscle, holding onto the fat for the times ahead, when it might be necessary to keep you alive. To get your body back to burning fat, you need to sometimes give yourself extra calories - preferably from carbohydrate - which will boost the leptin levels and give you a few days of optimum fat burning.

      Obviously there's more to it than this - you still need to eat healthily - but it's much more effective than just restricting your intake every day. To prove that the pure calorie-counting approach isn't great, you only really need to take a look at Weight Watchers; even with all their expertise, support and 'easy-to-follow' calorie-restricted plans, the average member loses less than 5lb a year.

      If you want to lose weight in a hurry, I'd suggest checking out the diet tips bodybuilders follow. You probably don't want to do anything as drastic as them, but as you might expect, the guys that make their money by being thin know what they're doing.

    174. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by yabos · · Score: 1

      You don't need to stay away completely. The problem with most people is their diet is based mostly on carbs since they're really cheap. Unless you're doing a ketosis based diet then you will still need some carbs for energy. If your goal is losing fat then 30-40% maximum of your daily caloric intake should be from carbs.

    175. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by pmarcondes · · Score: 1

      Have you ever heard of isometrics?
      I heard from a friend that did for a while that it works wonders for strenght building.
      also strenghten your blood vessels and improves overall well-being.
      Sure it also improves shape, but that is a side benefit.

    176. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by jackharrer · · Score: 1

      Actually most nutritionists /doctors suggest both at the same time. Exercise boosts muscle mass and metabolism whereas diet delivers proper nutrition. If you use only diet you will put on weight back. If you exercise but with crap diet you will build muscles, but you'll still keep all the fat (or even put more!).

      Body is an interesting mechanism. When food is a plenty, it stores fat. But as soon as you start diet, metabolism slows down and your calorie usage lowers. Body gets into energy saving mode. That's the reason is so hard to lose weight.

      My friend doctor told me: "Exercise, you will build muscles. Muscles use a lot of energy, so it will get harder to put on weight back." It works.

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    177. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by jackharrer · · Score: 1

      >>I've also found going a few rounds with a punching bag to be something I can do without feeling like it's a big hassle. (though obviously this probably won't work in an office environment)

      Try your manager ;)

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    178. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by cemulli · · Score: 1

      Yeah..the low carb thing and working out has really been working for me.

      I'm glad it's worked for you, but God I hate the low carb craze. It sounds like you're doing good things though (5-6 small meals, exercise, etc). The thing that drives me nuts about "low carb" is that there are 3 macronutrients: carbs, protein, and fat. All of them help your body function. Carbs are your body's preferred source of energy. The other annoying thing about the "low carb" craze is that half of the people advising a low carb diet essentially just mean cutting back on processed sugar and bleached flour (which is a good idea anyway). The most successful "low carb" diet that I've heard of WASN'T truly "low carb," it was just a Zone-derivative diet that sought a balance between the three macronutrients in terms of daily caloric intake. Ex: 30% calories from carbs (4 calories per gram), 40% calories from protein (4 calories per gram), 30% calories from fat (8 calories per gram). In my experience, all of the macronutrients are good, and you need all of them, it's just a matter of not picking the BAD varieties of them. If your calories from fat all comes from butter or 80% lean hamburger (translation of "80% lean": 1/5 of the mass is pure lard) instead of coming from things like avocado, nuts, and other things containing good amounts of essential fatty acids (like fish), that won't help you much in terms of nutrition. Ditto with picking twinkies over fresh fruit and calling that your carb intake.

      In terms of diet, I've done well when I've eaten more foods closer to their natural state. Good protein, nuts, whole grains, lots of fruits and veggies. Steamed or grilled instead of sauteed or fried, tomato-based instead of cream-based for sauces, etc. I'm coming at it from the estrogen-based perspective, but I've lost over 30 pounds in the last year that way, and my waist went from 35" to 28", and I'm trying to build up enough upper body strength to do pullups (jealous of you guys for the ease with which your upper body strength develops, btw).

      In terms of exercise, as others have said, if there is an option to 1) move closer or 2) change jobs, I would go with that first. A 3 hour commute everyday is less than stellar. If you're driving, a 3 hour commute is rough on your car and the fumes are rough on the surrounding air quality. If you're taking public transportation, well, that's just boring as hell anyway right? But at least with public transportation, you might have an option of doing some walking around in the subway car or whatever to keep your muscles moving along the way. Barring a change in job or home, you should at least have a lunch break that you could use. I know it'd be the middle of the night, so there aren't many gyms you could go to (though there are a couple I've seen that are open 24 hours to members), but even doing something as simple as going for a 30 minute jog around the neighborhood or climbing flights of stairs in an office building during your lunch break could give you a good amount of activity.

    179. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by odsock · · Score: 1

      A full box of paper is 20lbs. I use them for military press sometimes at work, along with pushups, squats, and using the stairs.

    180. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by A.Gideon · · Score: 1

      My experience: I've been doing Taekwondo now for perhaps 20 months. Before this, I'd tried exercise programs, but nothing stuck as well. The reason: I do this with family and - apart from that - it's fun! I find that I exercise outside class because that's become fun too, in a way that it never did when it was "just exercise".

      This brought me down an inch or so at the waste. Then, weight watchers brought me down a few more includes over just a few weeks.

      Both really are important.

      For the blocks of time when work doesn't permit much else, there are plenty of exercizes that can be done at work. Isometrics. Get an exercise band; many of these can easily be done at or near a desk or in a corner somewhere. Perhaps even small weights for arm work at the desk (though this is one I've not done myself (yet)).

      It would be a big help if coworkers can get involved too, as this makes it easier to do at work and it also adds to the motivation.

    181. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by darken9999 · · Score: 1

      This is probably the best advice I've seen so far, especially the part about quitting or moving closer. I've got a far away job too, but thankfully I've become a telecommuter most of the time. Anyway... Why not do some short exercises at the NOC? You get a lunch break or 15 minute breaks here and there, right? A set of push-ups or crunches take under a minute to complete. There's got to be a electronic copy of the Army PT Manual somewhere on the internet.

    182. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Speaking as a guy with a herniated disk in his lower back, unless you're in your mid 20s or younger, you should always include abdominal and back exercises in your workout routine.

      Obviously, if your stomach is fat, you won't see any visible results. But if your stomach is fat, that's when you need strength in your lower back and abdominal muscles the most. I ignored abs and lower back in favor of leg and arm exercises, and what I thought was leg cramps from enthusiastic workouts was actually nerve problems from a slipped disk.

    183. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ResidentSourcerer · · Score: 1

      I sympathize. I like to eat, and I can gain weight by sniffing good food or so it seems. As you get older it gets worse. Start now and build habits.

      Try the following things:

      1. Take healthy snacks with you.

      2. Make sure you don't take vending machine (coins) with you to work. Much easier to reduce temptation if you have to go through a couple extra steps. Tell your co-workers your plan and ask them to not give you change for bills.

      3. Tell your boss that you want what physical tasks there are. If your IT job was anything like my last job there are trucks coming in that have to be unloaded, printers to fill and so on.

      4. Replace your chair with a large ball.

      5. Mount multiple monitors where you can't see all of them from one location forcing you to stand up.

      6. Buy 8 concrete blocks and some pavers and mount your desk so you work at it standing instead of sitting.

      7. Spend lots of time in the server room. One job I had the server room was at 55 F. That got the metabolism going. In general underdress to the extent you can. Being cold uses more energy. Aim for chronic mild hypothermia. Not hard in cold server rooms.

      8. Park a half hour walk from work. This helps not only with your exercise, but the walk is a good time without distractions to organize your day. I did this for `10 years when I worked for the U of Alberta. It was a 45 minutes through the river valley. Meant I didn't have to pay $40 per month for parking either. Once I had done it for a month, it was a habit. And I couldn't say at the end of the day, "I don't wanna do it. Well, I could say that, but I had to do it anyway. Some places aren't conducive to pleasant walks.

      9. Bring your lunch from home. Bring it as a bunch of tiny things you can eat at your desk. Use your lunch break to do something physical. Race walk laps around the building if nothing else.

      10. Collect information on the advantages of fit staff. Go to your boss and ask for a room for soem exercise machines, and showers. I was able to get one boss to put in showers when they were doing other plumbing work on the building. It meant that a bunch of us could bike to work and not stink. Mind you we told her that we were going to bike anyway, even if we did stink.

      11. Find a partner to exercise with at lunch. Exercise is a lot more pleasant if you can chat while you are doing it.

      12. Join weight-watchers or Jenny Craig. Both programs have lots to teach and lots of support for people who fight the battle of the bulge.

      13. On the other three days a week, do more.

      Good luck.

       

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    184. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rgviza · · Score: 2, Interesting

      LOL Yep. Dude if your personal fitness is a priority, get a new job. I used to work like that. It's not worth it. It will lead to an early death. I found a job that pays a little less where I work 40 hours a week. I work out 2 hours a day, 4-5 times a week.

      You need to figure out what you want. Working 60 hours a week is completely fucked and not worth your health. If you think they won't hesitate to lay you off you are sadly mistaken. So why should you be loyal to them? Hard work and dedication buys you _nothing_ in today's work world. Working a sensible job and taking care of yourself buys you a longer lifespan.

      What would you rather have? Personally I'd like to see my great grandchildren. At least if you work out you are guaranteed some sort of benefit by doing so. You will definitely look better and you might live longer. That's tangible and real.

      If you work 60 hours a week, it will cost you your health and there's no guarantee it will have any career benefit. Been there, did the work, did a fantastic job and got laid off by relocation. Never again. Learn from my mistakes.

      -Viz

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    185. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by DuckDodgers · · Score: 1

      Most of the calories burned by muscle are burned because of your workouts. There's a myth floating around that each pound of lean muscle mass burns 50 or more calories per day at rest. The real number is closer to 6: http://www.thefactsaboutfitness.com/news/cals.htm

    186. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rgviza · · Score: 1

      Also, you can maintain fitness with 3 days a week... It's not necessary to work out all that much. Go to the gym, talk to a trainer there and get on a 3 day maintenance routine if you must keep the job. I'm only doing 4-5 because I love to work out.

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      Don't kid yourself. It's the size of the regexp AND how you use it that counts.
    187. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by OttoErotic · · Score: 1

      Seconded. I switched from doing hundreds of crunches a day to doing planks instead, which are totally static, and my back feels much better. For overall workouts, I've recently switched up my routine because of the same lack of time. Instead of spending 45 minutes with weights doing muscle-isolation exercises I'm down to about 15 minutes of full-body and balance-focused exercises, and I'm seeing a lot more improvement in a lot less time. Everything that's been said about changing up your diet and eating smaller, more frequent meals is great advice too. For weights, search youtube for things like: one-leg deadlifts, overhead dumbbell snatch, renegade rows, startups, hindu squats, one-leg squats For cardio, look into HIIT and Tabata, both of which can give good cardio results in minimal time. Right now I spend 15-20 minutes a day doing interval training, either with jump rope, boxing, or stationary bike. With the combination of better diet, full-body exercises, and burst interval cardio, I've dropped about 40lbs in the last 3 months.

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    188. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An equal body weight that's mostly muscle mass will burn significantly more calories than one that's largely fat.

      This is actually a myth, although it is very commonly told one. Resting metabolic rate of a muscle is only marginally better than of fat. But still better and muscle sure makes you look better from the neck down. :)

    189. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stretching before exercise actually makes your muscles/tendons work less efficiently. Stretch afterwards, not before.

      http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/stretching-performance-and-injury-prevention

      Oh, and the word that dave562 was looking for is "discipline"

    190. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by AVee · · Score: 1

      When possible you could also combine your commute with some excersise. Buy a proper bicycle and cycle the first or last part you'd otherwise do by bus. The advantage is that you'll get more exercise while losing less time, because at least some of that part was lost travel time anyway.

      But ofcourse this only works when the route between your house and your work is suitable.

    191. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Ucklak · · Score: 1

      Tony Horton's exercises include a nutrition plan as part of the exercise.

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    192. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      Mainstream medicine doctors, specifically, are often not aware of all the most recent research in medicine. It's almost impossible for someone trying to practice basic medicine on a daily basis to stay up-to-date on the massive number of findings coming in from researchers all the time.

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    193. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      Also, it was the source you chose to point to on the topic, not me...

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    194. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by JoshuaDFranklin · · Score: 1

      You could move closer to work and walk. Ideally your workplace is also nearby grocery stores, library, etc. and you can walk there too. It's a little exercise and definitely increases quality of life. If it's in a major city there are often a lot of apartment choices downtown with various amenities like weight room or pool if you're into that.

    195. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a evening law student, 6-9:30 4 nights a week plus several hours each weekend, during the day I ride a desk from 8-4:20 5 days a week, and I commute 3+ hours a day. I have no time to do anything, but I see this as a short term issue (4 years) and 2 years into this, I have put on 20 pounds. I know I am killing myself now, but I see a future reward. So might the original poster.

    196. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by relguj9 · · Score: 1

      I like your post and agree with monitoring your caloric intake if you're worried about weight loss BUT... I need to point out that your "gym calories" estimation is inaccurate. Working out with a combination of exercises (aerobic, weights, anaerobic), or any regular exercise really, will cause your body to burn many more calories than just what you burn during the workout session, through both a higher metabolism and your body repairing the damage you do during the workout.

      The only problem with working out is that it increases your appetite. But then again, you can afford to eat even more since your body actually needs the extra energy.

      Good luck with the weight loss though! Imagine if you bump up your calorie burning even more than just the extra walk to your car though, combined with your calorie counting will.

    197. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by L0rdJedi · · Score: 1

      A gallon of water weighs 8 pounds. If you can piss out a gallon, you've instantly lost 8 pounds of weight. I'd say that's a pretty effective form of weight loss (if you could do it that is).

    198. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by ezelkow1 · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. Id also suggest skiing/snowboarding if possible where you live. When I first moved out here (CO) after graduating I was definitely overweight, but with a diet change to just not eating complete crap all the time, and going boarding for 4-8 hours each weekend in the winter I managed to drop 50lbs in 6mo. Since then ive remained pretty stagnant but it is much harder to get myself to go to a gym even after making it a routine for a few weeks in a row. It is much easier to get up and do something you love to do outside then to try to fit into some routine of something you dont like.

    199. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Move to Florida. $1/pack state excise tax increase on top of April's federal excise tax increase of the same amount has even the cheapies at about $40/carton.

      I'm quitting after 13 years out of pure spite.

    200. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by COMON$ · · Score: 1
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    201. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      You make you digestive system "inefficient" by eating high fiber foods.
      If you eat low fiber, the low volume of the pulp means that it stays in the digestive tract longer and the intestines have lots of time to suck every last calorie out of it.

    202. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      a couple minutes worth of resistance training here and there isn't going to do anything for weight control

    203. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by jahudabudy · · Score: 1

      "If you have legs and are flammable, you are never blocking a fire escape."

      RIP, Mitch Hedberg

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    204. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      And your body can build muscle to make it easier, but all the muscle in the world does not lessen the amount of work it takes to lift that weight.

      Because your body can magically change the math that specifies how many joules of energy it requires to move my body from point A to point B?

      Methinks you're a little confused...

    205. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Cornflake917 · · Score: 1

      While the act of doing anaerobic workouts burns less calories than aerobic exercises, they are still quite beneficial to maintaining your body weight. Your body burns calories repairing and maintaining muscle mass. So in the long run, strength training can really help. Ideally, you should be doing both types of exercises.

    206. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by tarius8105 · · Score: 1

      Or there is another option. He could find a gym that is open later. Most of the IT folks here go to the gym during lunch hour, and then eat after. If you do a minimum of 3 days of cardio work, you should stay in shape and you dont need to spend an ungodly amount of time at the gym. One of the things I do is when I get home, I dont sit infront of the couch and unwind. I get into my gym clothes and head to the gym for at least an hour.

    207. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It weighs ten, you stupid oaf.

    208. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by MrCrassic · · Score: 1

      Mod up. Exercise should be something fun, not something "mandatory." I would bet that this is the reason why lots of people are unable to commit to any serious exercise plans; why do something that just isn't fun to do? I've lost lots of weight and gained lots of physical form through cycling, and I *still* hate the gym. Plus, participating in cycling events and *being able to finish* is a lot of fun and a great way to meet other well-minded people.

    209. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Totally mad. I live on the fourth floor of a 19 floor building and am forced to take the elevators up. There are doors in the stairwell that lock behind you on the way down, so you can go down the stairs, but not back up. Furthermore, the managers encourage residents not to use anything but the front entrance, presumably for security reasons. It's very frustrating waiting for an elevator when I could usually climb the stairs faster.

    210. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...Cardio is the WORST way to work out - especially in this situation. Cardio trains your body to efficiently use calories..."

      Bull.

      Taken the above advice to the extreme, the best way to work out would be to sit on
      your fat ass and eat Yodels. That way, your body would be extremely inefficiently
      using calories. Yeh, right.

      My advice - cardio and weight lifting. Not just my advice, but just about every
      one in the field.

      I am riding a bicycle to work. Uphill both ways. Always into the wind. Great
      exercise. Just watch those cars.

    211. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by matt20102 · · Score: 1

      It's not that cardio is the worst form of workout- 'endurance cardio' is what you're going for. The general advice is to spend ~30min/day with an elevated heart rate (making a 30-minute run better than an hour-long walk). If you want to make progress with weight loss, then you need to keep your body in a state of stress. Start using the treadmill and, every time, push yourself a little more (more time, faster speed, fewer walking breaks). After a while, give yourself a few days to rest and lower your workout stress threshold so that you can avoid the plateau that endurance athletes want.

      Besides- vigorous workouts will assist the fat burning mechanisms in your body because such workouts put your body into a position where it knows that it will need ready sources of energy. These sources of energy included metabolized fat! These effects last for between 12 and 36 hours after the workout, depending on the vigorousness and length of the typical workout.

    212. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Everybody's a little different, but I found that I actually needed less sleep, slept more soundly, and felt more refreshed in the morning, when I exercised regularly, particularly when I did so shortly before bedtime.

      Err, actually, for many (most?) people, exercising "shortly before bedtime" is a great route to insomnia. Adrenaline is not exactly the best sleep aid.

    213. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Also, for working out. There is NO excuse not to

      15 hour days at work, 8 hours sleep, you want him to spend his one spare hour working out?

      Me, I think he's got a pretty solid excuse to spend a little time relaxing, having fun, maybe even actually eating breakfast / dinner.

      Personally I have several excuses for not working out. One of them is laziness. Another is boredom. Dying young is more interesting.

    214. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      > So now I count my calories (reasonably roughly) mainyl by weighing my
      > food when I'm cooking it. I've cut down my portions by around 30% -
      > which sounds like a lot, but honestly isn't considering I was eating
      > past when I was full.

      I am lucky in that I don't seem to gain wait very easily, for whatever reason. However, I sit at a desk all day and this year I have not been as active as last year, and I can tell that I am slowly gaining wait beyond where I ever have before.

      Something as simple as not insisting on clearing our plates could do a lot to avoid wait gain. As stupid as it sounds, the simple decision to stop eating when I'm full (not when my plate is clear) coupled with a bit of activity each week has already turned the trend backward for me. I don't claim that it's that easy for everyone, but I do think you hit on something important in that our culture encourages us to finish our meals even if we are done eating. I can remember my parents pressuring me to do this as a kid, in the spirit of taking portions that match my hunger level; but all it really did was instill a habit of eating until the plate is clear rather than eating until I'm satisfied.

    215. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      I am not sure why I kept typing "wait" instead of "weight"...

    216. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Informative

      The OP said he can't get up early or work out before bed, which is nonsense. Everybody's a little different, but I found that I actually needed less sleep, slept more soundly, and felt more refreshed in the morning, when I exercised regularly, particularly when I did so shortly before bedtime. Exhausting my body also helped to keep it more in sync with my mental state, whereas after an 8 hour day I can feel mentally drained, but not get sleepy for hours after a normal bedtime.

      I get migraine headaches if I wake up before 7 AM. I have a regular headache, all day, if I wake up before 8 AM.

      I'm a night owl, and my period of peak alertness and energy is 10PM to 2AM. I can exercise and do any chore at that time, and it doesn't feel taxing or draining at all. You sound like you might be a morning lark.

      I've tried for 10 years ( the 10 years since I was 18, had control of my life and schedule ) to "buck up" , discipline myself, stop being a complainer, and all that other bullshit. It was 10 years of pure misery, with no benefit. The fact is, my body and metabolism is just different than yours.

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    217. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      I tried jogging for a while but it bored the shit out of my. I joined a local capoeira group, and it's a blast! It's like Kinetic chess with music. I'm in the best shape of my life.

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    218. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      I actually haven't reduced carbohydrates, so much as added protein and fiber. I may crave carbs less, but then, my metabolism can burn a lot more of them now.

      The formula is, add, then subtract. If you start by limiting yourself, you're going to resent it.

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    219. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      And exercise is easy enough, too...

      Or, a case could be made that you still have to at least get up and walk around. I don't think a high-protein diet would be a bad thing, even with no exercise.

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    220. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. A calorie is a unit of heat. Fiber may prevent absorption of certain carbohydrates in the intestines, etc, but nothing can "flush heat".

      Flush as in, carries with it, into the toilet. Then you flush.

      Either way, the effect is the same.

      Protein doesn't build muscle, muscle is made of protein.

      Fine. Close enough.

      That one I agree with :) Though aerobic exercise in the morning will do a lot more.

      I do both -- though admittedly, not much exercise.

      in the end WHAT you eat is completely secondary to HOW MUCH...

      Maybe I could be more scientific about it, but I eat way more often, and I eat a lot. Add it up, I'm probably eating more than before I started, both in volume and in calories.

      What I'm not doing is eating pizza for lunch every day, or stupid things like that.

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    221. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      you want him to spend his one spare hour working out?

      Well, if it's sex...

      But no, seriously, a lot can be done in fourteen minutes, even if it's not every single day.

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    222. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Yes and no.

      There is still, initially, a conscious effort made to set a certain number of meals, and especially to eat breakfast, to get yourself properly into that mode.

      Because when eating three or four large-ish meals a day, one of which was pizza, I certainly thought I was eating when I was hungry, and not eating when I wasn't. And now, when I have a little snack, I generally have the whole snack -- protein bar, sandwich, whatever.

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    223. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and it does.

      Not where it counts. Again you didn't understand my criticism which makes it pretty obvious how you can so easily pass over it. Congratulations! You have likely made the world (and possibly yourself) stupider rather than smarter.

      It shows up all over the place where there are people who are rather strict about their diet and are still heavier than others who overeat.

      Again baring very specific and rare conditions. Not really. Again you don't understand how this would affect even simple things like doing regression analysis. According to you it would be unlikely for two dietary studies using the same methodology to come up with the same results unless they controlled for this mysterious "bacteria factor". Are you simply asserting that they do this but don't mention it or that most studies don't agree.

      It even happens for particular people over time-- someone who's thin at 20 eating whatever he wants may need to be more strict about his diet later in life.

      I'll leave aside that you have changed the subject of your argument from "bowel efficiency" sure BMR changes as you get older but not by much. Less than ten cals per year for the vast majority as a matter of fact (and unlike your assertion this *is* well documented).

      The phenomenon has been observed for a long time, and there isn't any real disagreement about whether it happens.

      You seem to be rather long winded on the subject but can't point to a shred of factual information.
      I've already pointed out two things that don't agree with your theory and all you do is trudge on arguing adjectives over evidence.


      That's good advice, but it's not the end of the story.

      It may not be but it is the vast majority of the story. Which is why all this other advice is usually i) Inapplicable or ii) of little effect.


      There has been evidence that changes in emotional and psychology states can have an effect on your metabolism.

      Metabolism meaning...right you don't know.


      Being stressed out can not only cause you to put on more fat, but it can even cause you to put on fat in different places.

      Study?


      There have been studies that suggest that the kind of bacteria in your digestive system has an effect on how many calories you'll absorb from a set amount of food.

      Where?

      much more complicated than "number of calories eaten - number of calories worked off by exercise = number of calories turned into fat".

      Try "number of calories turned into body weight" and again it's actually that simple. If it wasn't you would be lucky to have any two studies agree.

      If you see a fat guy and a skinny guy, it's not necessarily true that they skinny guy eats less or exercises more.

      But that doesn't support your point. "Not necessarily true" would be supported if it didn't apply for on in one hundred trillion (which I would accept) however unless you are backing away from your point you appear to be saying that this is very likely the case which is again demonstrably false (see earlier statement about regression and dietary studies).

    224. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I knew a guy in college you ate pretty much continuously, and mostly the "worst" foods possible (He had a real thing for Spam that I will NEVER understand, and no he wasn't from Hawaii), and was skinny as a rail. Not unhealthy, clearly not absorbing calories skinny, but skinny "I'm a waif" skinny. He didn't exercise much either, unless drinking beer counts. I don't know if he had a less efficient digestive system or just burned more calories doing less work, but his weight did NOT reflect his diet.

      Likely it did minus whatever he was working off. It's not the quality of the food it is simply it's caloric content. I am losing approximately half a pound a day now and I continually shock people because I eat at McDonalds regularly and have been seen killing half a large "meateor" with a friend at Boston Pizza. Likewise this whole weight-loss "binge" was preceded by a "qualitative" diet where I ate salad almost exclusively with a wide variety of vegetables. During that period I lost virtually nothing.

      From where I stand it appears that the confusion really comes down to precision. I eat a lot of processed foods now because they are the easiest to track their caloric content. I only eat at restaurants who publish their caloric information and I only eat things where I can guarantee the variance is low. I also avoid unplanned events where there is going to be a lot of unstructured eating.

      The result: My weight tracks within 1% of my caloric intake (once adjusted for my estimated BMR).

      Again the stuff I told the other poster also applies: If there was really that much variance between folks it would be sheer luck for two methodologically identical studies to agree on the subject. One study - and I can dig up the cite if you like - damaged the myth of the so-called chronically skinny. They took two groups of people, one who were skinny and had relatives who were generally skinny and another group who were obese and relatives who were generally obese. Surprise it was easy (by caloric control) to turn the fat people into skinny people and vice versa.

      Now this doesn't mean it will be easy for an obese person to become thin but it does damage the credibility of the "fast/slow metabolism" theory for chronic obesity or normal weight.

    225. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by cbiltcliffe · · Score: 1

      Yup. Clean bill of health.
      My mother was the same way until she got to her late 40s.

      I'm quite certain it's just a genetic high metabolism....

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    226. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      Can you provide a clinical reference for "fiber will flush calories"? Partially I'd like to know what is meant by that because I'm pretty skeptical.

      "Protein builds muscle" - again this seems different than what I would expect the clinical reference would say. Just eating protein? Doubtful - exercising? Ok now I hear you. Protein is more easily converted into muscle than fat? Quite possibly but is that a net gain or net loss? For example I am extremely skeptical that you can't build muscle without *consuming* protein. Biosynthesis can provide twelve of the twenty required to create muscle the others can be gained through something other than protein. So if eating protein is the more "efficient" way of creating muscle doesn't that also mean that to create the same amount of muscle you are burning more non-protein? Possibly but I doubt the difference is significant.

      "Muscle burns more calories than fat" - yes but not much more. 6 calories per lb. I'd expect that the work involved in adding a single pound of muscle to your body outweighs the caloric use of that muscle for somewhere from months to years.

      "Small snacks help your metabolism" - again but not by much.

      See this seems to be the problem with...well...virtually everyone here and every diet book and most people I talk to. Sure there may be some merit in some of these things but they are grossly overshadowed by simply eating less and (to a significantly lesser extent) by exercising more.

      In short: You are all majoring on a minor.

    227. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Since your whole argument for why I'm wrong comes down to "nuh uh! you're a stupid doo-doo head!" I'll just go ahead and take it that you've forfeited the argument and just decided you don't want to carry on this discussion. Maybe one of these days you'll actually have interest in science and understanding how things work, and maybe we'll talk again then.

      In the mean time, I'll listen to scientists who study this stuff and know what they're talking about.

    228. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      I'll just go ahead and take it that you've forfeited the argument

      I suppose that would be beneficial for you in that you don't have to defend your point.

      However you still haven't answered the question which kind of wrecks your whole point.

      "Are you claiming that dietary studies control for this alleged 'gut inefficiency' mechanism, generally disagree or agree by chance?"

      Rather convenient (for you) that you overlooked that.

    229. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      It would help if that question were a little more grammatical enough to be actually asking something. My points don't really need defending from arguments as ironclad as, "Nuh-uh. Are you claiming that studies control disagree or agree on purpose? That be unpossible!"

      Look, it's well documented that different people have different bacteria in their digestive tract. That's not "mysterious". But the whole point of taking large sample sets for scientific studies is to try to control for other unknown and uncontrolled factors.

      Do you actually have scientific support *at all* for your claim that the number of calories consumed and number of calories burned through exercise are, all by themselves, the only factors in weight gain? Across the entire human race, not another factor comes into play?

      Fine, you bring up BMR (as thought that means you know something). Let's see what the wikipedia has to say:

      Illness, previously consumed food and beverages, environmental temperature, and stress levels can affect one's overall energy expenditure as well as one's BMR.

      And later on:

      Each person's metabolism is unique due to his unique physical makeup and physical behavior. For some, this makes weight management a very difficult undertaking requiring sophisticated expertise. There are a number of medical adjustments to natural human processes that can affect one's metabolism.

      Sure, the wikipedia isn't an authoritative source, but the point is you're so far from the common understanding of things that you may as well be denying the existence of the sun. Go ahead and Google something like "BMR factors" and see what information you can find. The fact is, we don't know what all the factors are, but a lot of the unknowns usually get lumped in with "it's probably genetic."

      Can you support your claims with anything other than, "but I say so!"?

    230. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do both -- though admittedly, not much exercise [shovelglove.com].

      Hey, whatever works! Though, the choice of 14 minutes seems dangerously close in it's biological basis as "7 minute abs"... if you manage to get the heart rate up with this, give it 20 minutes and it will pay off a lot more than those extra 6 minutes are worth. I guess either way, you will be the buffest Amish person on the block...

      Yeah, sure, I was being pretty picky in word usage. But that's just because the "health/fitness" (food, diet, exercise, etc) industry is one of the most deceptive in THEIR word usage - there are SO many misconceptions about basic health/fitness, which is not necessary because most of these things are COMPLETELY understood biologically...

      What I'm not doing is eating pizza for lunch every day, or stupid things like that.

      See, that is precisely my point!

      There is nothing inherently wrong with "pizza". If you looked at the calorie and general nutritional value of pizza (given at least moderate care to choose a GOOD pizza with fresh mozzarella and some vegetables, not some sodium laced frozen crap), it's probably a fairly good mix of protein, fat, and carbohydrates. The difference is, do you eat 1 slice and 300 calories, or 4 slices and 1200 calories?

      Same thing with any of the health food industry's "reviled foods"... a 1/4 lb hamburger stacked with fresh veggies once in a while is in no way an "unhealthy" meal. Add a giant side of fries and 24oz of non-diet soda and yes, you are now taking in over 1000 calories.

      Anyway, in the end making an effort and getting results is what matters - the MOST annoying thing (which takes us back to the original article!) is when someone wants some miracle solution that doesn't involve ACTUAL EFFORT, the one thing that everyone trying to stay in shape will agree is non-negotiable...

    231. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      It would help if that question were a little more grammatical enough to be actually asking something.

      Dodging the question? If people's 'gut inefficiencies' are not significantly overwhelmed by caloric intake (that is to say that they are small to negligible). Then dietary studies using similar methodologies either:

      a) Agree: Because they control for this.
      b) Do not agree (generally)
      c) Agree: Simply by chance.

      These are your only options logically. Pick one then I'll know how to beat your argument but if you're not going to tell me which one it is. Then it's true I can't destroy your argument but only because you refuse to define it. Which kind of puts you in the "some combination of ignorance and deceit" category.

      But the whole point of taking large sample sets for scientific studies is to try to control for other unknown and uncontrolled factors.

      There are a bunch of reasons to increase your sample size (i.e. type I and type II errors). When a study is said to be "controlled for X" it means that something has been isolated. I.e. you control a study for age by making sure your sample is only comparing people of similar ages. So I don't think you actually understand what you are talking about.


      Do you actually have scientific support *at all* for your claim that the number of calories consumed and number of calories burned through exercise are, all by themselves, the only factors in weight gain? Across the entire human race, not another factor comes into play?

      Strawman. All I've said is that the major factors are caloric intake and (to a lesser extent) calories burned. These are the most significant factors for the vast majority of cases. The evidence is in any study on diet and exercise. If there was another factor, as or more significant than that you would either have to control for it OR most studies with similar methodology would not agree. Again the second you take your position your argument is likely dead so I understand why you are stalling.


      Illness, previously consumed food and beverages, environmental temperature, and stress levels can affect one's overall energy expenditure as well as one's BMR.

      A number of things:

      a) I addressed illness in an earlier post. Sure there are extremely rare chronic disorders that would affect BMR as well as temporal disorders (i.e. a fever) but again these are not the majority cases.

      b) There is no mention as to the degree or significance of these effects in your quote. So this doesn't disagree with my position (yet) and it doesn't agree with yours.

      c) Provide a cite from an actual journal. Wiki's are fun and all when you want to know Pokemon stats but having given up repeatedly in attempting to help maintain Wiki pages on a variety of issues. It's just not reputable enough a source (...and now you can regurgitate the 'Nature' article on Wiki accuracy and I can beat that down too)

      Each person's metabolism is unique due to his unique physical makeup and physical behavior. For some, this makes weight management a very difficult undertaking requiring sophisticated expertise. There are a number of medical adjustments to natural human processes that can affect one's metabolism.

      Please provide the cites supporting this statement. Otherwise it's just some typing on the internet. I'd also highlight that "for some" until qualified doesn't agree with you and doesn't disagree with me.

      but the point is you're so far from the common understanding of things that you may as well be denying the existence of the sun

      Common understanding - the question is "Who's common understanding". Wikipedia's? Medicine? EBM? Again lets see the cites. Remember your cites must show that the effects of these factors are large and frequent enough not to be generally overwhelmed by diet and are of general enough applicability to affect the majority case.

    232. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

      Though, the choice of 14 minutes seems dangerously close in it's biological basis as "7 minute abs"... if you manage to get the heart rate up with this, give it 20 minutes and it will pay off a lot more than those extra 6 minutes are worth.

      That's what I've been told, and I have been doing that, now that I'm unemployed. However, the magical thing about 14 minutes is, there is no excuse. If it was 15 minutes, you might have an excuse, but everyone has a gap in their calendar somewhere.

      If you looked at the calorie and general nutritional value of pizza (given at least moderate care to choose a GOOD pizza with fresh mozzarella and some vegetables, not some sodium laced frozen crap), it's probably a fairly good mix of protein, fat, and carbohydrates. The difference is, do you eat 1 slice and 300 calories, or 4 slices and 1200 calories?

      Trouble is, once slice isn't a meal. Not even now that I'm snacking more. I typically had three slices.

      No, my approach has been, don't eat pizza regularly. If I'm going to eat pizza, I'll eat a few slices, even half a pizza, but I don't do it every day, or even every week.

      And not just "don't eat pizza", but rather, "What can I eat instead of pizza?" My initial answer was a grilled chicken wrap from a local place -- not really more expensive than the pizza, still had mozzarella, but more vegetables and much more protein, and left me feeling much fuller.

      Add a giant side of fries and 24oz of non-diet soda and yes, you are now taking in over 1000 calories.

      I still find this isn't an effective place to focus, because the result you tend to get here is, people start thinking, "Oh, I should have a diet soda instead."

      And you end up with comical things like someone drinking a diet coke and eating a twinkie, as if these somehow cancel each other out.

      I tend to have non-diet things, mostly because the ways in which that diet coke has been changed to make it taste something like Coke, but have fewer calories -- that can't be healthy. Not that coke is healthy to begin with... Same approach, though, I just don't drink soda every day.

      the MOST annoying thing (which takes us back to the original article!) is when someone wants some miracle solution that doesn't involve ACTUAL EFFORT

      I'll agree with that, but at the same time, it's really not that hard.

      I mean, I added a 14 minute workout, actually added snacks to where it felt like I was eating more, and made some simple swaps (wrap instead of pizza) -- and hey, I think the wrap tastes better anyway.

      I understand that for some people, it's difficult. But I think part of the reason people jump on the miracle stuff is that when you tell them a cold hard truth, it sounds like you're telling them they have to work hard and suffer.

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    233. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Geeze, you're so full of shit I'm not going to even read all of this. I stopped when I hit, "The evidence is in any study on diet and exercise." What the hells does that even mean? Any study? Have you done any study? Have you read any study? Do you know anything on the topic?

      Give me one study. Give me a single study with a diverse sample of people that shows that people with the same caloric intake and same exercise routine will all weigh the same, even as a general trend. Hell, give me a single article or website. I'd almost settle for any single person other than you, but there probably is at least one other kook in the world.

      On second thought, don't bother. I know you're wrong, and by now, you probably know you're wrong. If you don't... well, I'm not going to try to sort through your posts for meaning anymore. Instead, go read something on the topic. Or even talk to your family doctor. Or look on the web for any number of websites for more information.

      I may as well have been arguing with the Time Cube guy.

    234. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

      Geeze, you're so full of shit I'm not going to even read all of this.

      I suppose that's one way to keep avoiding the question.

      I stopped when I hit, "The evidence is in any study on diet and exercise." What the hells does that even mean? Any study?

      It means that if you were to pick a study where diet, exercise and weight were taken into account. For example if you wanted to see if one diet (say Atkins) was equal to or better than another (say GI) in terms of controlling weight. If "gut inefficiency" is of great significance in ones weight - as you appear to claim. Then you would see one of three things:

      i) The study would control for it - since comparing two people with different levels of "gut inefficiency" would be meaningless.
      ii) The study would not control for it and when compared against a similar study. Would not agree.
      iii) The study would agree but only by chance - as would show up in something like a meta-analysis.

      So any study - or more specifically - any pair of studies of this kind which show agreement would be evidence unto itself that "gut inefficiency" is not a significant factor. A suitable P value could be derived to determine just how likely iii) is too.

      Have you done any study? Have you read any study? Do you know anything on the topic?

      Well I can estimate that we've pretty much reached the maximum depth of your knowledge here and it isn't very impressive.

      Give me one study. Give me a single study with a diverse sample of people that shows that people with the same caloric intake and same exercise routine will all weigh the same, even as a general trend.

      That's not exactly what I've said. It's that caloric intake and caloric spend (including BMR) overshadow every other factor significantly in the vast majority of cases. Tell you what, I'll produce a study if you can define your terms provided that they are sane. For example what does "a diverse sample of people" mean? Language like that simply does not appear in the abstracts in medical journals. Also what does "all weigh the same" mean - what variance is acceptable?

      Sorry if this seems difficult but you clearly don't know which end of the slide rule to hold. So if I showed you a study like this where a group of overweight people were subjected to a proportional caloric restriction and got a *proportional* loss in weight with less than 1% error. Would you even know why that would be damaging to your theory (or theories)

      On second thought, don't bother. I know you're wrong, and by now, you probably know you're wrong.

      Well I know you're fond of shouting about other people being wrong. I suppose the difference between you and I. Is that I've outlined two very specific places where you are potentially wrong and you...well you seem to think if you repeat "wrong" enough times it will be true. Good luck with that.

      Instead, go read something on the topic. Or even talk to your family doctor.

      Well it's likely I talk to medical professionals far, far more often than you do. I live with a GP/Emerge doc.

      Or look on the web [lmgtfy.com] for any number of websites for more information.

      That's pretty amusing. So somehow this is 'so obvious' and 'everyone agrees' and you can't produce a single cite from a medical journal about your theories. Again, I have at least taken up your challenge.

      I may as well have been arguing with the Time Cube guy.

      I think you may well *be* the time cube guy.

      Incidentally. Somehow you still can't get around to answering two questions. I think it's pretty obvious why. Your entire post was pretty much you blowing smoke.

    235. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Requires that employers pay for breaks. Doesn't say anywhere that they have to give them. See, for example, here. 22 states have some regulation of the matter, although that regulation may be narrowly tailored - applying either to factory workers only, or even, in Illinois, to Cook County hotel workers only. Thanks for the pointer to the site, though - I've never worked in any of those states, and have never encountered the rule.

    236. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by Mursk · · Score: 1

      Ah, thanks. Interesting bit of trivia.

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    237. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by samurphy21 · · Score: 1

      Too late, I'm sure, but yes. In a crunch, you are using gravity as resistance to exercise your abs. In a dive bomber, you are using your momentum to do the same, but also hyperextending your back, which is bad for it.

      Crunches are infinitely less hard on the back than full sit ups or divebombers.

    238. Re:Its not rocket surgery... by kriyasurfer · · Score: 1

      If you say so. I don't use momentum to exercise the abs.

  2. CrossFit by Officer+Friendly · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.crossfit.com/ - works very well and can be done almost anywhere with little or no equipment.

    1. Re:CrossFit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or no arms or fucking legs!

      http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/KyleKettleBell1.html

    2. Re:CrossFit by Jason+Earl · · Score: 1

      Crossfit certainly has the right idea. Workouts don't have to be long to be effective. For example, I have a 56 pound kettlebell in my office. Taking a short (1-2 minute) break every hour or so makes a noticeable difference in the long run.

    3. Re:CrossFit by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      Seconded, although the full Crossfit regimen does require a certain amount of equipment and preferably coaching. Most regular gyms won't have climbing ropes and gymnastics rings, and are in general not very optimal for the workouts - all those machines and the people using them get in the way... Perhaps there's a Crossfit affiliate near you, but I get the impression you might prefer not using time to travel there and back. On the Crossfit message boards, or perhaps in the Journal, you should be able to find comprehensive instructions on building a good garage gym, if you're willing to put up the cash and time constructing it. A lot of the exercises, especially where weightlifting is concerned, would be better learned with coaching. Some of them are quite challenging technically. If you don't have time to go to a gym and can't or don't want to get your own equipment, here's a list of bodyweight-only workouts on the Crossfit messageboard. You will not get the full benefit of the method, but they'll still kick your ass into shape:
      http://www.board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=38312

      I recommend you visit the site, read the FAQs and the message boards, learn what it's about and why the exercises are done the way they are, especially if you need to do your own programming, as I think you will if you do the bodyweight exercises only. I've been training this way for 9 months or so now, and the results are pretty phenomenal. I was your run-of-the-mill gym rat before, doing bicep curls and other stupid things, in fair shape compared to the general population, but getting nothing like the performance I see now. I've improved in every aspect since I've started training this way - I'm faster, stronger, have better stamina, am more agile, more coordinated etc. etc. The only thing to keep in mind is it's a brutal method. The workouts are supposed to feel bad. If you're not pushing your limits when you do these, you're cutting yourself short.

    4. Re:CrossFit by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      Re-reading your post, I think I didn't pay enough attention to just how little time you have for anything except work. You will not get fit, or even stay healthy, on that schedule. If you start exercising, you will need more rest than you're getting now. With a schedule like that, I'm guessing your eating habits aren't the best either, another thing that will really break you down if you start doing any real exercise. So the best thing you can do for your health is to get a different job or find a way to cut your hours. Maybe you'll have some time to live a little as well.

    5. Re:CrossFit by bmwm3nut · · Score: 2, Informative

      Where did you get a 56lb kettlebell? I've only seen 24Kg=53lb or the ones that are rounded up to 55lb.

      Anyway, Crossfit is the only way to go. It's a great workout, and it's especially great if you can go to a Crossfit gym. Having people around you pushing you makes you go even harder and get into even better shape. I did Crossfit on my own for a while, and saw lots of improvements in my fitness compared to the normal gym rat stuff I did. Then I joined a Crossfit gym and I saw another round of gains. I can honestly say I'm in the best shape of my life right now, and I only workout for 10-20 minutes a day.

    6. Re:CrossFit by Jason+Earl · · Score: 1

      You are right about the kettlebell, mine's a 24Kg kettlebell. I'm not sure where I came up with 56 lbs.

      As for Crossfit, I've never been to a crossfit gym, but positive peer pressure always helps. I don't think that you can *always* do a Crossfit workout in 20 minutes though. For example, today's workout is a 10K. I can't quite finish a 10K in 20 minutes.

    7. Re:CrossFit by g00d_4sh · · Score: 1

      More Crossfit folks, awesomeness. I'm part of Xplorecrossfit in Seattle. What affiliates are you guys part of?

    8. Re:CrossFit by radtea · · Score: 1

      Crossfit certainly has the right idea. Workouts don't have to be long to be effective

      Dunno about crossfit but I've been doing the "Big Five" workout from the book "Body By Science" for about six months with good results. I used to be on a much heavier program, four days a week, split between upper and lower body on two/two schedule. WIth the Big Five I'm in the gym for about an hour a week, and have had good results recovering strength and definition lost during a couple of difficult years at work.

      Highly recommended.

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    9. Re:CrossFit by JoeMac · · Score: 1

      150 burpees for time requires no equipment and humbles most everyone. (Note to original poster: don't try this full-bore immediately...scale down extensively)

      This parent is correct. First, confirm that your concept of "staying in shape" is in line with what CrossFit can do for you: you'll get stronger, faster, and more powerful. You won't develop a bodybuilder's physique, which is very different from how CrossFit defines fitness. It will not be easy, because being truly fit is not easy. As many have stated before, CrossFit is for anyone, but it is not for everyone. Take it easy at first. Although some CrossFit workouts are relatively short (if you're very powerful), which suits the original poster's goals, don't neglect warm-ups and skill exercises. Get a 5' length of PVC pipe and bring it into your office to practice various barbell lifts. Watch some videos, practice, video yourself, practice some more.

      The original poster mentioned that, regardless of what he ate, he gained weight when not exercising. Diet must be addressed to produce meaningful results. I've made excellent progress with the Paleo/Caveman/hunter-gatherer diet (the name is easy to make fun of but the results are impossible to ignore). Many others follow Paleo also with Zone ratios.

      The truth is out there.

    10. Re:CrossFit by BenderMan · · Score: 1

      Seconded. Take your lunch at a local Crossfit, or build a little gym at your workplace. Crossfit is the only thing that's gotten me in shape, other than Hashing ;-) BenderMan

    11. Re:CrossFit by pthreadunixman · · Score: 1

      Wha? Crossfitters on slashdot? Blasphemy.

    12. Re:CrossFit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also movnat or parkour may give you more ideas about working out without being in a gym environment

    13. Re:CrossFit by mr+crypto · · Score: 1

      You're working a 60 hour week? Simple solution - Come work for us. We'll only work you 11 hours per day, and that will give you an extra hour to work out!

    14. Re:CrossFit by Strawser · · Score: 1

      I used to stop by the gym on my way back from smoke break (yeah, yeah . . . I know), and bounce a medicine ball against a wall for 1 or two minutes, or do a few pull ups, or something else like that. Just enough to raise my heart rate, but not enough to break a sweat. I lost a lot of weight like that.

      Anything that raises your heart rate will do it. Jumping jacks, run in place, push ups, crunches . . . whatever. Just do it for a minute or maybe 2 once an hour. It'll make a HUGE difference.

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    15. Re:CrossFit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not necessarily. Quality of sleep is far more important than quantity and usually people who shape up from crappy shape report that they both sleep less and have more energy.

    16. Re:CrossFit by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      When I did crossfit I actually found that the WotD almost always required either somewhere you could run a good distance, or free weights to be available in some for or other. I actually found it to be MORE equipment intensive than something like Starting Strength or HIIT based body weight exercises..
      I liked it, but eventually had to quit because I didn't have enough equipment to really do it properly.

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    17. Re:CrossFit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second crossfit.

      the workouts are high intensity with constant variation so you never get bored.

      the best part about crossfit is that none of the workouts are longer than 45 minutes. most are less than 20.

    18. Re:CrossFit by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

      Perhaps, that depends on the level of activity though. Crossfit, done at proper intensity, is very taxing. I've never heard of anyone say they needed less sleep after starting, I do know a lot of people, myself included, who sleep like logs for 9-10 hours thanks to the exertion.

  3. Exercise while you work. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 2, Interesting
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    1. Re:Exercise while you work. by cabjf · · Score: 1

      Either that or strive to be extra active on the weekends. I would look for a different job or move closer. Those extra two hours can make all the difference.

    2. Re:Exercise while you work. by qoncept · · Score: 3, Funny


      Want to lose up to 57 lbs in one year?
      Can't find enough time to get to the gym?
      Spend lots of time in front of a computer?
      Are you a stupid douche bag with no sense for practicality?

      If you answered Yes, Yes and Yes and Yes and Yes and Yes, then welcome to the solution...the Treadmill Desk.

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      Whale
    3. Re:Exercise while you work. by jomegat · · Score: 1
      This is an idea I have been toying with for a couple of months now, but I think a recumbant exercise bike might be a better than a treadmill. My hair-brained scheme is to use the bike to drive a car's alternator (cheap and used), and use that to drive a power inverter & battery. Then use that whole Rube Goldberg contraption to power my laptop. If I get too tired to keep the laptop running, I could switch to AC power. If I find I can't generate enough power to keep the lappy running all day, I could always power the uh... iPod instead? No exercise = no music. I would HOPE I could generate enough power to keep an iPod running.

      Green and lean, but mostly... geek.

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      In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they're not.

    4. Re:Exercise while you work. by forkazoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I have been working night shift in a NOC lately, myself. Deep into my 12 hour shifts, there is almost nobody in the building, so I can do laps. I carry my blackberry which will yell if I actually have to respond to an outage. I'm never more than 30 seconds away from my desk while I do laps. It's also easy to do jumping jacks, pushups and situps while with line of sight to my desk. Add in the occasional jumping jacks, and I'm oddly enough probably getting myself in better shape since having started this schedule. Go figure.

      Of course, there is also the days off. I could theretically use those for excercise. I used to be in the habit of jogging when I had a working iPod because I could listen to education audio books while I ran. Now I can be at work while I run. I think I feel silly if the only thing I'm doing is running. As much as I know it is important, I don't really feel it is an accomplishment on its own.

      Also, be careful with what you eat. Quantity is obviously a concern, but quality is a huge factor as well. On this schedule, I never really have time to cook the days that I work. The result is that I eat more burgers than would be ideal since that's the most convenient thing. When I'm at work, I often microwave frozen TV dinners or cans of soup with enough sodium to preserve an elephant. I'm trying to make a point of sticking to fruit juice instead of energy drinks, making the TV dinners the 'healthy' option, and at least squeezing in enough time to eat something better than a burger on my way home from work.

    5. Re:Exercise while you work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A normal bicyclist (not the athlete variety) expends ca. 100W of mechanical energy while driving moderately fast. Yes, you can power a laptop, easily.

    6. Re:Exercise while you work. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Depends what you mean by a laptop.

      My eee takes 3 amps at 12 volts = 36W.

      My [clone of an] m7700 alienware beastie takes 11 amps @ 20 volts = 220 watts That's roughly a third of a horsepower, not many can cycle that at all, let alone sustain it for long.

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    7. Re:Exercise while you work. by cptdondo · · Score: 1

      That was my thought. Put a mag trainer in the cube/center/whatever, stick a bike on it, and pedal. You can still watch your monitors. You're right there. Heck, get a mag trainer that hooks up to your PC and get some visuals. Get it to lock up if any alarms go off. The possibilities of a computer controlled mag trainer in a NOC are endless!

    8. Re:Exercise while you work. by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      They're a little expensive, but the Crystal Light singles are enough to flavor a full Nalgene (1L) of water, no matter what their instructions say. Flavoring a 16oz water bottle would be WAY too much. And they add something like 5 calories versus the 150 or so in a typical 12oz soda. I try to keep a couple packs of those at my desk all the time.

    9. Re:Exercise while you work. by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      Oops... I forgot to add that some of them even contain caffeine if you want. And your fruit juice? Those often have more calories than soda. An 8oz serving of OJ is 120 calories, so that's 15 calories per ounce, where a 150 calorie 12oz soda is only 12.5. The juice has more nutrients and is better for your nutrition, but it is NOT in any way a "lite" alternative to soda or other sugary drinks.

    10. Re:Exercise while you work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My [clone of an] m7700 alienware beastie takes 11 amps @ 20 volts = 220 watts

      It most certainly does not. The 220 watts is the PSU rating, but that needs to be powerful enough to run the computer and load the battery at the same time. The m7700 is described as having a 14.8 Volt 6600 mAh battery which results in 90 minutes of battery life. That's an average of 60W.

      Same for the EeePC laptops: The PSU brick is rated to deliver 3A at 12V, and loads the battery while the system is on (and I believe it has headroom, because it runs quite cool). The EeePCs consume in the vicinity of 10W under load (but without loading the battery), which means they use only a little more than a bike light when they're idle.

    11. Re:Exercise while you work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Add in the occasional jumping jacks, and I'm oddly enough probably getting myself in better shape since having started this schedule. Go figure.

      I teach an Oriental healing art called kimoodo. Many of our students are older or have various physical problems which prevent them from doing normal martial arts and high impact exercises. For those students, I teach them to do low impact "step" jack instead of jumping jacks. Step jacks (same movements as jumping jacks but stepping back and forth instead of jumping) are almost as effective as jumping jacks without stressing the joints, and if you push down into a squat, you actually work the upper legs even better than a jumping jack.

    12. Re:Exercise while you work. by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      Don't knock the practicality. When I injured one of the muscles that connects my ass to my leg a few years ago, I could not sit down for more than few minute at a time (driving was a real bitch). So I got a "tall" desk that I could stand at. For the first week it was awkward. But once I acclimated to it, it was very natural to stand at a desk and use the computers. I imagine adding a very low-speed treadmill to the mix would not be so out of place. It isn't like you would be jogging or anything, more like a slow mosey.

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    13. Re:Exercise while you work. by Lugae · · Score: 1

      With regards to time to cook on days you work:

      I work a part time job a couple evenings a week, and weekends or other commitments don't leave me a ton of time to cook, either. Still, cooking your own meals can make a difference. So, once or twice a week, I cook myself a proper meal. Since I don't feed anyone else, I have plenty of leftovers, but doubling the recipe would be equally easy if you have others to feed.

      Do not put any of the meal in the fridge. Portion it into four containers and freeze all four. Now, you have one meal a week for the next month taken care of. Next week, do the same. Now you have two meals a week taken care of for the next three weeks and one for the following week. By week five, you should have something cooked for each day of the week and keeping up is as simple as one meal a week.

      Frozen isn't quite as good as the first time, but it's still pretty good, and if you're eating frozen TV dinners anyway, you're surely one up on this.

    14. Re:Exercise while you work. by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      I have to second that.

      I like cooking, I hate cleaning afterwards. And while I like cooking, I feel that spending all that time in the kitchen daily is a waste of time.

      So just make more of everything. I usually cook in batches of about 4 kg. Since I have to microwave it anyway, freezing a proper serving size is just as easy.

      For work it's easy to bring. If you forget to put it in the fridge - no big deal. And most places have a microwave these days.

      As for drinking, I've somehow managed to almost entirely drop cola. I'm rather surprised, because I used to think I'm addicted to the stuff. But - now I've started buying various types of squash (not the ballgame). It's cheap too. Most companies offer free coffee/tea, and the ones I've worked for have had no issues getting squash on the free list as well.

      As someone above me said, The Hacker's Diet is well worth a read. Especially if you plan on losing weight, as the section on moving averages helps you keep calm.

      I've lost about 2.5 kg in three weeks, and so far my biggest day to day increase was jumping 2.2 kg. The interesting big isn't what the scale says right now - it's whether or not it keeps below the moving average. This mostly isn't possible for the first few days of your diet (no data to average out), but after that it is a simple goal. Just get a decent scale and weigh yourself naked (clothes vary in weight) at the same time of day. Personally I do it after getting out of bed, before using the toilet - just keep to the same routines or your data will suffer.

    15. Re:Exercise while you work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also easy to do jumping jacks, pushups and situps while with line of sight to my desk. Add in the occasional jumping jacks, and I'm oddly enough probably getting myself in better shape since having started this schedule

      You must really like jumping jacks!

    16. Re:Exercise while you work. by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      The wife and I have been cooking larger batches of our meals for about a year now. We usually cook twice a week sometimes more sometimes less. The monetary savings alone is worth it. A ten dollar pot of chili makes for at least eight servingings. And the pasta dishes we do cost even less than that.

    17. Re:Exercise while you work. by forkazoo · · Score: 1

      Oops... I forgot to add that some of them even contain caffeine if you want. And your fruit juice? Those often have more calories than soda. An 8oz serving of OJ is 120 calories, so that's 15 calories per ounce, where a 150 calorie 12oz soda is only 12.5. The juice has more nutrients and is better for your nutrition, but it is NOT in any way a "lite" alternative to soda or other sugary drinks.

      Excellent point! My situation is a little bit different from that of the OP because I have a pretty high metabolism, so I'm not dealing with weight issues. This is definitely an area where trying to figure out a "healthy" way to work means knowing your own body and your own needs. Heck, last month when I was working 60-65 hour weeks with almost no sleep due to a terrible flopping day/night schedule, I had so much uptime that I actually started taking in a lot more calories than usual just to keep moving. That's when I got into the burger habit that I am now transitioning out of because my schedule is finally semi-sane again.

    18. Re:Exercise while you work. by lpfarris · · Score: 1

      If you are going to drink fruit juice, you might as well drink soda from the weight control perspective. Drink water and eat fruit.

    19. Re:Exercise while you work. by filthpickle · · Score: 1

      First, keep up the good work.

      Then, do some research on fruit juice. Water is best, ofc, but if weight loss is your goal you might be better off drinking something else (there are a bunch of low cal 'energy water' products that are actually not that bad) than you would fruit juice. Fruit juice isn't much better for you than sodas.

    20. Re:Exercise while you work. by aknowles · · Score: 1

      Treadmill desks exist! called the Walkstation http://store.steelcase.com/go/products/detail/A7T/

    21. Re:Exercise while you work. by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 1

      See also:
          http://mayoresearch.mayo.edu/levine_lab/
          http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/71000.php

      We set up two of treadmill workstations for our home offices (Horizon T95). We run them at 0.5 mile per hour to 1.0 mph. I can walk for hours while surfing the web or typing emails. Programming is a little harder while walking though, depending on the programming task. The doctor (James Levine) who made some of the first workstation presumably is just doing reading and text writing with it.

      We set up a shelf on a wall above the treadmill for multiple LCD monitors. We switched to trackballs. We use a one inch square cross-section yard stick across the treadmill handles to support a board attached to the treadmill by two U-shaped brackets. The only big problem is the optical encoder on my T95 is making noise, and while I keep fixing it by hand, a complex plastic part is just warped and needs to be replaced (which means either finding the warranty paperwork, or buying a 3D printer and laser scanner. :-) The other treadmill has not had that problem -- I think one of them was just made slightly different so it is more sensitive to a plastic bracket drooping a little over time.

      Anyway, it really works. We bought tall stools, so we can alternate sitting, standing, and walking. The main idea is that walking is better than standing for the legs and knees, because the knee and leg is adapted more for continuous movement than for supporting weight in one place. Still, either standing for a long time or walking a little unnaturally on a treadmill can be hard on the knees, especially if they are weak already for some reason. Supposedly the treadmill platform is designed with different zones for landing and walking, but with a keyboard, you are shifted a little back on it, so possibly the zones don't work out as well. For some people, it may make a difference in comfort if you walk barefoot, in slippers, or in shoes. Also, stepping on and off a treadmill can be a hazard, especially if you have a dog in the way. :-) Integrated office designs can have drop floors that put the treadmill at floor height, not elevated.

      We have had a couple wired headsets broken though, from stepping on the cable while walking. Wireless headsets is probably a better idea as far as that goes.

      I think using a treadmill while at the computer has helped me lose weight, have more stamina, and have better posture. So, overall, a big win. It's nice to look down at the console after doing a long task and realize you have walked a mile or two.

      Still, a lot of people get hurt lugging 250 pound treadmills up stairs, so best to keep it on a first floor or a place with elevators -- which can limit placement of a home office.

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    22. Re:Exercise while you work. by foobarb · · Score: 1

      I have a Treaddesk(tm) http://www.treaddesk.com/ which was only USD$ 800ish, and I love it.

    23. Re:Exercise while you work. by droptone · · Score: 1

      Others have responded with similar ideas, but I definitely recommend making a batch of food say over the weekend (or your day off), refrigerating it, then doling it out as the week goes along for lunch/dinner/whatever. I usually make something with a good mix of carbs and protein, so stuff like pasta salads, lasagnas, vegetarian chilies, etc. I recommend the website Recipezaar.com as you can filter ingredients, which is handy if you just happen to have certain ingredients in the pantry. But this solution can a) cut costs, b) cut sodium, c) increase your cooking skills, and d) possibly make more delicious meals.

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    24. Re:Exercise while you work. by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Or even just stand. I went to the home store a few months ago and bought a $20 plastic shelf system, used a hacksaw to cut the legs to the right length, and made two shelves: one for my keyboard and trackball and one for my monitor. I made sure that I use the shoe insoles my wife (a podiatrist) recommended and haven't been tempted to go back to sitting.

      I was nervous for the first few days, and the stream of co-workers dropping in to see me standing all day didn't help. Once the novelty passed (for them and me), it became second nature. My calves are in awesome shape. I've lost a little weight even though I had IV steroid shots for a joint problem. My back hasn't hurt. My posture is much better. It's almost physically impossible to get the after-lunch difficulty staying awake. Now, I may very well come to hate this later, but for now it's been a complete success with no disadvantages at all.

      Tips:

      • Get the cheap shelves so you won't feel bad about hacksawing them as you see fit, and if you give up on the experiment, you can use them in your garage.
      • Customize your shelves correctly. The top of my keyboard is a couple of inches below my elbows so that my arms hang down a little and my wrists are bent back slightly. The top of my monitor is approximately eye level so that I'm looking downward at it. My doctors and OSHA agree that this is the best arrangement. This applies for sitting conditions, too, but if you're going to start with a new environment you might as well get it right from the beginning.
      • Get insoles for your shoes, and not the cheapest Dr. Scholl's kind. My wife insisted on a rigid set and they've done more for foot comfort than I would have thought possible. Seriously, this isn't optional. Insoles. You'll thank me for it.
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    25. Re:Exercise while you work. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The m7700 is described as having a 14.8 Volt 6600 mAh battery which results in 90 minutes of battery life. That's an average of 60W.

      Except it doesn't. It's more of a built in UPS than a battery.

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    26. Re:Exercise while you work. by matt20102 · · Score: 1

      Fruit juices are only a few vitamins away from being flat soda. Seriously- look at all of the sugar added to most of them! Even 100% natural juices- which don't have added sugar- are full of natural plant sugars. If you want fruit- eat whole fruit; at least that way you are getting the benefit of the fiber and more complete nutrients (especially since the most beneficial part of most fruits- the skin- is removed from juice). If you want beverages, stick with (in order) water, unsweetened tea, and coffee.

      If you can't / dont want to get rid of the burgers (even I, >40lbs. less than a year ago, haven't given up fast food) do yourself a favor and spend some time on the web sites of the fast fod restaurants you frequent and familiarize yourself with the nutritional information for their menus. You'd be surprised how much fat and calories some choices have while others from that same place that seem very similar have far less fat and calories. It's all about informed decisions...

  4. There is no silver bullet by Dan667 · · Score: 1

    I have tried everything and the only thing that works is to workout at least 4 to 5 times a week and watch my diet. And if I don't exercise at least an hour two days a week I don't lose any weight. Long commutes are tough, but you could take workout clothes and go at lunch or have extended workouts on the weekends.

    1. Re:There is no silver bullet by HasselhoffThePaladin · · Score: 1

      Replace your chair with one of those inflatable balance balls. Make yourself work to sit upright. Also, if you drink ice-cold water throughout the day, your body burns calories to keep your body temperature constant--it's not much, but the little things like that you can do will add up to keep the weight off.

      And don't use metabolism as a cop-out, God knows more than a few of us have done it in the past. It's all about how much you really care to lead a healthy life.

    2. Re:There is no silver bullet by maxume · · Score: 1

      1 liter of 0 degree Celsius water will burn roughly 37 Calories (1 Kg * (37[body temperature] - 0) = 37 food calories).

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    3. Re:There is no silver bullet by DJLuc1d · · Score: 1

      The trick I found is to look at the gym as your own time, like seeing a movie alone, where you get to go and not have to worry about everyone else. I'm a little hesitant to say relax, but that is the closest term I can think of. Leave the cell at home and just go workout without all the other things that tie you up during the day.

    4. Re:There is no silver bullet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1 liter of 0 degree Celsius water will burn roughly 37 Calories (1 Kg * (37[body temperature] - 0) = 37 food calories).

      Isn't 0 degree Celsius water called ice?

    5. Re:There is no silver bullet by maxume · · Score: 1

      And what do you call water at 0.1 Celsius?

      Ya see, it's close enough.

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  5. Walk by scubamage · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seriously, walk around. Get up, and stretch. Take a walk at lunch. Take the long way through the halls. Eat properly - high fiber, high protein. Sneak into a side room and do wall pushups. Use your imagination - imagination and intelligence is what makes geeks awesome. Use your gifts.

    1. Re:Walk by Toe,+The · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And wear ankle weights and such so that your simple motions are more workout-like.

      If you wear wrist weights, then simple typing will be a bit of a workout. Though I imagine you would be more likely to suffer from ergonomic problems in that case.

    2. Re:Walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On good days, I set a timer to remind me to stand up every 45 minutes or so, look away from the computer, stretch, do jumping jacks, pushups, whatever.

      On bad days, I sit for hours on end staring at a screen. I like the good days better.

    3. Re: Walk by jayme0227 · · Score: 5, Funny

      From what I hear, you can do kegel exercises nearly anywhere at any time.

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    4. Re:Walk by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...wear ankle weights

      In most IT shops these are call 'shackles' and are provided by your boss.

    5. Re: Walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From what I hear, you can do kegel exercises nearly anywhere at any time.

      lol @ kegel exercises. I wont even comment on this. lol

    6. Re:Walk by Kyont · · Score: 1

      "+3 Informative" at the time of writing? Man, and I thought I was cynical...

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    7. Re:Walk by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this is what I came in here to say. Figure out an exercise routine that doesn't require any equipment (e.g. lunges, squats, push-ups, sit-ups), and do that during your down-time at work. Go ahead and schedule a few 15 minute breaks during the day, and if you miss one of the breaks because you're busy, reschedule it (don't just skip it).

      Some people might think you're crazy, but if it's your only option for getting in shape, it might be worth getting a little flack from your coworkers.

    8. Re:Walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is stupid and not a substitute for working out. Dont let these fake ideas fool you. try to put in just 30 mins every day, every other day, or just at least when you can

    9. Re:Walk by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      Yes, I'm sure wearing a ball and chain to work won't send any negative messages to your manager. ^_^

    10. Re:Walk by bigbird · · Score: 1

      Yes - and get a pedometer to measure the distance to help you get motivated to do say 10,000 steps/day.

    11. Re:Walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dont take the lift, use the stairs when possible. Sometimes if you can do somethign by remote but you havn't moved in a while, get up and go do whatever it is at the server console. Again, use the stairs not the lift 8)

    12. Re:Walk by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Get a desk that can raise the keyboard shelf and ditch your chair. Get a wireless headset and wander the building when on conference calls (maybe stay within eyesight of your monitor to watch running pings). Take the stairs. If you're not already, take the bus/train and walk/bike to and from stops. Get a full 8 hours sleep, eat breakfast and take your lunch. Keep a pedometer with you and keep trying to beat yesterday's record. No more soda. Not even Diet.

      And speaking from experience, be glad you're not one of the on-calls. Sleeping during the day is a hell of a lot better than not sleeping at all.

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    13. Re:Walk by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      wear ankle weights

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    14. Re: Walk by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),x · · Score: 1

      Kegel exercises are more fun when performed with a partner. tOM

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    15. Re:Walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWIW I work an 8 hour night shift (I think 10 hours would be illegal in the EU) and I just take 15 minute break each day and walk up & down a couple flights of stairs, don't stuff my face but bring sushi dinners to work and go on walks on the week end. I don't think you really need more to be healthy.

  6. Exercise bike at work? by gum2me · · Score: 1

    I know that sounds weird, but if anyone can figure out how to put a keyboard on an exercise bike, it's this community.

    1. Re:Exercise bike at work? by silent_artichoke · · Score: 1

      Duct tape. You gotta try harder than that...

    2. Re:Exercise bike at work? by lessthan · · Score: 1

      A keyboard on an exercise bike? Amateurs.

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  7. In a bind by riceboy50 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You have certainly painted the situation in such a way that you feel you have no time to do anything except sleep, eat, and work. If working out is a major priority to you, perhaps you should be looking for a less demanding job?

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    1. Re:In a bind by halsver · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At the bare minimum, you need to move closer to where you work. Your commute is costing you your health and is eating your paycheck. Looking at the money you are making versus the costs, you might be better off working at the 7-11 down the street.

      Where does your social life fit in to this? I know when I work a 60+ hour week I need the weekend just to unwind, let alone see friends or do things I enjoy.

      My solution, get an apartment within 5 miles of your work and then ride a bicycle there.

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    2. Re:In a bind by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

      What had me wondering was if he didn't have time for anything but working, sleeping, and eating, why does he want to be fit? Gees, he should start smoking; he already doesn't have a life.

    3. Re:In a bind by Moridineas · · Score: 1

      The thing about shiftwork is while you can sometimes work 7-10 days in a row, you often then get that many (or more) days off. I had a schedule where I worked 2 weeks of days, 2 weeks of nights, and then a week off (never working more than 3 days in a row at a time).

      I LOVED the schedule...I've never had more free time in my life, and time to do errands without taking off work, etc.

    4. Re:In a bind by Sparr0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      +1 to getting an apartment. If he is wasting 3 hours per day on a commute, that's 60 hours a month. More than enough to pay for a cheap studio apartment in some urban housing block even in the most expensive of cities.

    5. Re:In a bind by hattig · · Score: 1

      60 hours of what a month? He doesn't earn money to commute! He might save on travel (is it bus? train? car?) though. 6 gallons of gas a day = $15 a day = ~$300 a month on fuel - that doesn't pay for a lot in terms of cheap places to stay, maybe a grotty room in a shared house.

      But yes, another task for this bozo is to sit down and work out his finances. If he's renting 1.5 hours away, then he should stop that and put that money onto the saved travel money, and accept that he will have to live closer to work in a smaller/grottier place for a couple of years whilst he develops his skills to a level where he can get out of the job.

    6. Re:In a bind by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      60 hours of accomplishing nothing (and burning gas). That time could easily be spent on freelancing, or leisure time, both of which are worth at least as much as his normal hourly wage by most value systems.

    7. Re:In a bind by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 1

      If working out is a major priority to you, perhaps you should be looking for a less demanding job?

      I heard that jobs can be a bit hard to find lately. Something to consider.

    8. Re:In a bind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ding. My first thought was similar but a bit simpler: "...quit?"

    9. Re:In a bind by hattig · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but it's still only "personal worth" value, not actual money.

      What's a good algorithm for personal free time value?

      How about: 8 * hourly_wage / free_hours ^ 1.5
      ?

    10. Re:In a bind by Snarf+You · · Score: 1

      he should start smoking

      I know you're being facetious, but... I was a porker throughout my entire youth, weighing 240 by the time I graduated high school. I started smoking shortly afterwards, and within a year I lost 70 pounds. In the 12 years that have passed, I have gained back 30 of them. I'm 30 now and still smoke. If you've never smoked before, chances are that if you started you would lose weight fairly rapidly for a while ... but I do *not* recommend picking up the habit.

    11. Re:In a bind by nyteroot · · Score: 1

      Lots of people are suggesting quitting. Here's a better idea:

      Are you really working all of those 12 hours? I imagine not. Probably taking a lunch break, right? Eat at your desk, use your lunch break to work out. 30min a day of strenuous stuff is all you need. Here's an example:

      You don't need to go to the gym; you can do it all with bodyweight exercises: pushups, pullups (get a pullup bar that sits in a doorframe without being attached to anything, like Iron Gym, so you can put it up when you're working out and then take it down), Hindu squats (google it) and crunches will get you 90% the benefit of a more thorough workout. If you want some variety, do yoga.

      5min to change, 30min of circuit training (google it) with these four exercises, 5 min to change back. If there's a shower onsite, then +10min to shower, and you still have 10min left to relax and start your lunch.

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    12. Re:In a bind by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I wasn't talking about smoking as a weight loss aid, I was talking about slow suicide.

    13. Re:In a bind by AdamWeeden · · Score: 1

      I concur. Looking at it from even a gas standpoint starts to make sense. Let's be generous and assume those are all highway miles at 60 mi/hr and his car gets a decent 30 mpg
      60 miles/hour * 60 hours = 3600 miles/month.
      3600 miles/month / 30 mpg = 1200 gallons/month.
      1200 gallons/month * $2.50 per gallon (generous around these parts) = $300 gas per month.

      And that's not even counting wear and tear on the car which even at a measly $.10 per mile would mean an extra $360.

      So an apartment should be findable for the $660/month you'd save + the joy you'd get of having an extra 60 hours/month free time.

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    14. Re:In a bind by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      that's 60 hours a month.

      Yeah, but you can't trade it in for cash. Are you suggesting that he add more work to his schedule to pay for that apartment so he can spend less time getting to work?

      Saving time is nice and all, but if you don't have the money, you just don't have the money.

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    15. Re:In a bind by Sparr0 · · Score: 1

      He is putting in 15 hours a day for 12 hours of pay right now. He could spend those 3 hours freelancing. Or take on 25% more responsibility at work, work real 15 hour shifts, and ask for a pay increase. Or get a part time job for 3 hours a day.

  8. Move and Bike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Move closer and/or bike into work.

    It's rewarding and fun, and a little bit of biking every day goes a long way toward staying in shape.

    Well, the biking is fun, the moving sucks.

    1. Re:Move and Bike by EvanED · · Score: 1

      Move closer and/or bike into work.

      I don't want to discount the moving possibility or the benefits of biking... but they may not be possible here. There are plenty of reasons that the submitter could want or "have" to stay where he is now.

      And if he does, and he's commuting 1.5 hours presumably by car, I don't exactly have high hopes for commuting by bike leaving time to, say, sleep.

    2. Re:Move and Bike by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      That depends on the actual distance covered in that 1.5 hours. If it is spent crawling along in traffic, riding on a bike might not add a lot of time to the commute. If it meant 4 hours on the bike a day instead of 3 in the car, for that extra hour OP would have no problem staying in shape. Even doing this a couple times a week would probably suffice.

    3. Re:Move and Bike by dakotamangus · · Score: 1

      I am not sure if this is an option for you, but the bike commute can be a great way to exercise, with zero additional demand on time. I recently replaced my car commute with a bike & bus combo. I work in Bellevue and live in Seattle and the buses have bike racks. I bike the Seattle section to lake Washington, take the bus across the bridge and then bike to work. It takes about 45 minutes including waiting for the bus door to door. The car typically took 45 also because of long wait times for the bridge. The buses alone were worse: about an hour. If the 1.5 hour commute can't totally translate to the bike, it may well partially translate like mine: bike and bus, or start in the car and ride once you are closer.

    4. Re:Move and Bike by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you pay less for gas

    5. Re:Move and Bike by gangien · · Score: 1

      as someone who tries to bike in to work atleast 3 days a week, biking sucks. Of course i live in seattle which is somewhat hilly so, YMMV. a 20 mile commute without any hills isn't that bad really.

    6. Re:Move and Bike by EvanED · · Score: 1

      I agree... but at the same time, it seems unlikely that the best route from A to B would be through 1.5h of crawling traffic; I'd bet there's at least a little bit of freeway driving. Maybe I'm just not used to cities or something and this is very possible.

    7. Re:Move and Bike by Billy+the+Mountain · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I like your attitude. My commute is relatively short and simple--8 minutes by car, but on a bike it's about 15 minutes. So when my car broke down in January I decided not to fix it and have been bike commuting ever since and have been feeling really good ever since. If you do this try to ease into it otherwise you'll be apt to feeling achy. Try to keep from burning out by always giving yourself permission to take it slow. At the end of a long day when you don't really feel like riding, just get on the bike and take it slow. You may find after 5-10 minutes of riding that your energy will pick up and you are back at your normal pace but don't push it.

      BTM

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    8. Re:Move and Bike by lmnfrs · · Score: 1

      I loved biking to work. Even when raining (I'm in Portland) it worked pretty well.

      If you can't move, understandable since it's 1.5hrs away, maybe there's a good combo route you can take. Drive to some public park or some place easy-going, then pull out your bike and ride to the NOC. Going back to the relaxing place at the eod will be nice, too.

    9. Re:Move and Bike by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      a 20 mile commute without any hills isn't that bad really.

      In the Pac NW, yes. Try it in New Orleans or Phoenix in August, Chicago or Buffalo in January.

    10. Re:Move and Bike by neilfein · · Score: 1

      I have a multi-mode bike/train commute, and I love it. Folding bikes have gotten very good, and are very convenient to take on public transportation. Where do you live and work? Are there trains or buses?

      Another option is to drive part of the way to work and then bike the rest of the way there.

    11. Re:Move and Bike by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I hadn't considered a folding bike - I'd mostly ruled out cycling due to lack of storage space for my bike. And because I don't like arriving in work 'hot and sticky'. But given I've been doing an hour in the gym before work for the last few weeks, cycling might well work out better.

  9. Madness by hibiki_r · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Working those hours, in a night shift, that far from home, seems to me like a terrible long term arrangement. You'll cut years off your life. It'll make sure you can't get even a semblance of a social life. As a support job, it might not even pay enough as to allow you to see it as a temporary sacrifice for a better lifestyle later.

    Look for another job, pronto.

    1. Re:Madness by kievit · · Score: 1
      I agree with that, but I also wonder if the work times that he quotes are really the ones specified in his contract. 60 hours per week, really, for a support job? Could it be that he is just adding some extra hours before and/or after, every day, out of some social habit, to make a good impression maybe? If that is the case then he should break that habit. Having physical exercise during those salvaged hours will make his regular working hours also way more productive and effective, so his employer and colleagues should be happy with this more health behavior as well.

      Plus: would it be negotiable to telecommute one of the working days? That saves travel time, which can be spent on exercise.

    2. Re:Madness by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Note to OP: Start looking for a new job now.

      I worked a shift like that, for a couple of years. Luckily I lived close by, but it was enough.even with that. I gained like 10-15 pounds, I was as bored as shit, and really had few opportunities to do anything. Happily, I was anything but fat to begin with, so I didn't blimp up, but I am still living with the extra weight years later.

      For my part, I took the job because I was younger, less experienced, and they had rate cuts at the old place which were likely to turn into layoffs. It was a horrendous job, not simply because of the hours (which I had some limited experience with before), but also because of the shitty place I worked.

      I hope this person takes the people who tell him to get another job very seriously. I was already married when I took the job, so I didn't end up without a chance at being with someone of the opposite sex, but I would have been if I had been single. Even worse, I saw absolutely none of my friends unless I radically altered my sleep schedule, which I would pay for later.

        I was out of shape, stressed, and I even started getting a little paranoid and otherwise neurotic. All of this from a person who stays up late by default anyway.

      You will come to understand that no matter how late you tend to go to bed, you are still ten times better off going to bed before the sun starts rising. I went to bed at 4AM this morning, got up for a 9AM install and I feel better than some days that I got 8 hours of "sleep" on my 7PM-7AM or my 7PM-5AM shifts. And my commute was basically only 12 miles on streets where all the traffic was going the other way, if you get my drift. Any sort of commute would almost ensure that I was trying to get to sleep around the time that the school buses and garbage trucks started showing up.

      There is only one reason to take a job like that... a stopgap job between your last job and your next job. If you make a career out of that shift, you will have no career, no life, and no health. Keeping off the weight is the least of your worries. I mean it.

    3. Re:Madness by nine-times · · Score: 1

      That's a fair observation, but "find a better job" might be more easily said than done. Have you noticed the economic situation we're in? It's not like companies typically showed their employees with respect and consideration in the boom years, so I don't know why they'd start now that employment is more scarce.

      I'm sure we'd all love to have great jobs that paid well and allowed us enough free time to work out, have several hobbies, and keep up an active social life. Finding an employer who wants to hire us for such a job may not be so easy for all of us. Sometimes you just have to take what you can get and hope that it somehow leads to something better.

    4. Re:Madness by pjabardo · · Score: 4, Funny

      With his kind of life, cutting years off his life is an advantage!!!

  10. Work / Life balance by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Try it.

    The excuse of "I work too much to stay in shape" is just an excuse to not work out.

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    1. Re:Work / Life balance by spiffmastercow · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what a lazy asshole, wanting to do things like sleep after a 14 hour work session!

    2. Re:Work / Life balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like a M$ employee...

    3. Re:Work / Life balance by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Well, I understand his schedule, I lived it for awhile. There are opportunities to work out, but it's much more difficult.

      You are right, there is usually enough time to work out, if you can force yourself to. What he is really saying is: I will have to trade off having fun for working out, because work and commute takes up all of my other time.

      In that light, I can understand why he might not want to work out or find it challenging. Spending all your time at work, in the car and then in the gym feels like your life is pretty much a chore from start to finish. Sometimes you need some time to simply stare vacantly at a TV or go hang out.

      His best bet to stay in shape will be to start walking around, and seriously restrict his intake of food. I found that loading a video game on my work computer helped make the time go by faster with less eating and boredom, but I was not closely supervised, so he may not have a chance.

    4. Re:Work / Life balance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try it.

      The excuse of "I work too much to stay in shape" is just an excuse to not work out.

      This

      One day you'll realise that the job is not worth weighing 200kg and having heart problems at 40

    5. Re:Work / Life balance by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      That job may not be - but when the choice is between job and no job it gets a bit harder to decide.

  11. Unusual workout... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is viewing porn in private considered "working out"?

  12. Find a different job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yeah yeah, easier said than done, but you're working an unhealthy schedule even without considering the lack of exercise. Is the money good enough that you can retire your burnt-out, fat body in 5 years and recover before you drop dead?

  13. 2 solutions by WilyCoder · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been in your situation and there are only two possible solutions:

    -get a new job

    -move closer to your existing job.

    1. Re:2 solutions by cellurl · · Score: 0

      Get a hot girlfriend. That will motivate the workout. (lose the wife)

    2. Re:2 solutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost the definition of catch-22 there right? He works a graveyard shift, so he doesn't get the free pass to the hot girlfriend via the "rich dude" method. So to get the hot girlfriend he needs to:

      1) Lose the weight
      2) Get a day shift job

    3. Re:2 solutions by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      I've been in your situation and there is only one possible solutions:

      -get a new job

      Fixed that for you.

    4. Re:2 solutions by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that he will never be around when his woman wants to go out. So even if he manages to trip over a hot girl on the way out to his car and she hits her head and falls in love with him, chances are good that they will not last.

      At least if he has a wife, she actually lives there, and (hopefully) understands why he had to take a shitty job. Or, in fact, is the reason he had to take the shitty job because he had to pull his weight to fix up the house, support children, etc.

    5. Re:2 solutions by owlstead · · Score: 1

      - cycle and/or walk to your (new) job

    6. Re:2 solutions by iammani · · Score: 1

      I've been in your situation and there is only one possible solution:

      -get a new job close to your place of stay.

      Fixed that for you.

  14. eat less by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If "get in shape" means essentially "lose weight" you need to eat less. Substantially less.

    Don't eat anything which you find delicious -- too stimulating. Stick to stuff that is just OK.

  15. From the sound of it, you can't by VeeCee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Honestly, those are hellish hours and frankly I think you're insane for working that much. My honest answer, as someone who works out 6 days a week but works a pretty normal 9-5 is that, if I had your job, I wouldn't work out either.

    1. Re:From the sound of it, you can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, those are hellish hours

      Nightshifts make you eat more fatty foods and snacks. Tnok85 should start with well designed diet.

  16. Working too much by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are working/commuting too much. IMHO, you should be looking to first reduce your hours spent working/commuting. With the schedule you have laid out, you dont have time to properly work out and its not good for your mental health either. The body and mind need rest to operate well, by throwing in physical exercise, you are only going to become more fatigued.

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    1. Re:Working too much by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. You need to change your work schedule.

  17. If you cant change the situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drop from your desk and crank out a small set of push ups/ sits ups, etc aka "The prison workout." Throughout the day this can really add up.

    Also, very large companies sometimes have on-site gyms or some relation with a local gym.

    I assume you get a lunch hour? Bag a lunch and have a workout during this time.

    If you are not getting a lunch break, I don't see how you can make a job situation like this last for any length of time.

  18. BS by mcgrew · · Score: 1

    If you work a 12 hour shift in a non-physical job, you're not going to have time to stay in shape, let alone get in shape. However, you COULD take out a subscrption to the YMCA and work out half an hour a day every other day - but you're not going to want to; working a 12 hour shift wears you out.

    1. Re:BS by linzeal · · Score: 1

      I worked a job like described by the OT and I had like 8 hours a night of nothing like 4-5 nights a week. If he has time to post and read Slashdot he has time during work to exercise.

  19. The Subway diet, of course! by RemusX2 · · Score: 1

    Hey, if it worked for Jared, it can work for you too!

  20. A few simple things.. by modi123 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you are looking for some basic things the 100 pushups, 200 squats, and 200 situps work pretty well and do not require much. Even a bike trainer to use while watching tv de-stressing at home would be great. Outside of that you will need to fight for some of your life back. Get time from your boss, make time! Most companies have small gyms at work see if you can get one floated past committee.

    1. Re:A few simple things.. by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      I worked 100 Push-Ups in conjunction with curling a 40lb bar. Just doing tricep and chest will cause pain in your joints.

      Monday/Wednesday/Friday == 100 PU and 200 situps
      Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday == Bar curls and squats

      Sunday, swim or run. The $5k and 5k plan works pretty well...

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  21. Sugars by Steauengeglase · · Score: 0

    Avoid refined sugars. I decided to go off of anything with corn syrup for about a month, just to see what happened. I lost about 30 lbs. It is amazing, the stuff we put in our bodies.

    1. Re:Sugars by DeafDumbBlind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So you were consuming 3500 calories a day in corn syrup?
      All that matters is calories in vs. calories out.
      The calorie source doesn't matter for weight gain unless you don't get the minimum requirements of a given macro nutrient.
      30 lbs in 30 days just by cutting out corn syrup? I call BS.

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    2. Re:Sugars by maxume · · Score: 1

      And how many Calories did this end up cutting out of your diet?

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    3. Re:Sugars by powerlord · · Score: 1

      So you were consuming 3500 calories a day in corn syrup?
      All that matters is calories in vs. calories out.
      The calorie source doesn't matter for weight gain unless you don't get the minimum requirements of a given macro nutrient.
      30 lbs in 30 days just by cutting out corn syrup? I call BS.

      I was thinking the same thing, but its also possible that by "not eating anything with corn syrup" the GP ended up being more aware of what they were eating, and eating more nutritious/healthy food that filling them up (more salad?) without the carbs of the crap they WERE eating.

      That was just my take on it though. :)

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    4. Re:Sugars by Steauengeglase · · Score: 1

      I switched from out-of-the-box junk and soda to salad, steak a few grilled vegetables and yes, walking several miles a day after work. Weekends consisted of outdoor activities. My point, is that without paying attention almost all of my diet was junkfood and the junkfood is practically unavoidable. I'm not saying that avoid corn syrup is some magic cure all, but man it sets you back.

    5. Re:Sugars by mike260 · · Score: 1

      Still a pretty huge daily deficit though...surprising that his body didn't go to red-alert and slow his metabolism to a crawl.

    6. Re:Sugars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one 20 oz. soda contains 250 calories. While 14 sodas a day is unreasonable, what about four sodas and four 4-oz bags of skittles?

      Plus, he might have weighed himself before voiding on the start date and after voiding on the end date, add in a fast, a little dehydration, and the possibility that cutting out the sugar made him more active somehow (maybe he replaced sodas with far more potent caffeine source: coffee), and it's extremely reasonable to think he might have lost 30 lbs in 30 days. That's actually not an unreasonable rate of loss (a little high, but not exceedingly so for the first month if there is water loss accounting for some of that)

    7. Re:Sugars by Fred+IV · · Score: 1

      Not BS: When you eat a lot of sugar, your body responds by releasing insulin to regulate the amount of glucose in your blood. Elevated insulin levels tell your body to start storing fat instead of breaking it down.

    8. Re:Sugars by trentblase · · Score: 1

      It's possible the poster weighed a lot to begin with and then lost a significant amount of water weight (in addition to any actual weight loss achieved). I used to consume about 1500 calories per day in soda (i.e. corn syrup) so this is not completely implausible.

    9. Re:Sugars by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      It's not how many calories you consume; it's how many you absorb. You could eat little wooden pellets and they'd have plenty of calories (burn 'em in a calorimeter and tell me what happens), but you wouldn't metabolize them; you'd just poop all the energy out. In fact, feces has a pretty darn high energy content. People have been burning dried dung for centuries and longer. This is just evidence that, in your power balance equation, you need to include a term for the rate at which you poop out fuel...

    10. Re:Sugars by TheoMurpse · · Score: 1

      All that matters is calories in vs. calories out.

      That is not true. For example, your body requires more energy to process a gram of protein than it does to process a gram of carbohydrates, and both of those macronutrients are approximately four cal. per gram. It certainly does matter what type of calories you're inputting.

  22. read this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    read a book called "Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle" and stick to it. sounds like your body type is an endomorph and your most likely carb sensitive. eat 5-6 meals a day with more protein, less carbs,and stay active any way you can.

  23. Metabolism? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Metabolism isn't static. It can go up or down, depending on how you eat and move.

    Make sure you eat breakfast, then throughout the day eat enough to keep your energy levels up. If you are skipping meals, your metabolism will drop to compensate. Eat a good balance of carbohydrates, protein, and fat (and green vegetables, not lettuce) to keep your body on edge and ready to operate when you need it. When I say body, I include brain as well, since it is very much part of your body.

    As far as exercise, if you do it right, it will help you unwind. If you're feeling like all you want to do is go sit on the couch and do nothing, it's because you've been not eating a balance or not moving for so long, your body doesn't have the energy or desire to move anymore. You have to help it wake up and become alive, because seriously, who wants to waste all their non-work hours relaxing doing nothing?

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    1. Re:Metabolism? by mike260 · · Score: 1

      Make sure you eat breakfast, then throughout the day eat enough to keep your energy levels up. If you are skipping meals, your metabolism will drop to compensate.

      This.

      Always have something handy to munch on *before* you get hungry - a piece of fruit, salad, that sort of thing. If you get something reasonably healthy down your pie-hole every 4 hours or so, you'll find you can keep the portions small and the total calorie count down, without feeling like you're starving yourself.

  24. Watch what you eat by Albanach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Do anything you can to move about - look for a further away parking spot, rather than one close to the door. Take the stairs. You do get breaks, yes? Walk during them.

    And watch what you eat. I can imagine that on such a shift the temptation will be to nibble on high calorie snacks and drink lots of soft drinks.

    Try and take healthy snacks that you can nibble through the night, and get a water bottle, keep it full and drink lots.

    Could you turn some of your unwinding time into exercise time? Maybe stop at the gym even for thirty minutes on your way home? Or go on your way to work, and use the showers there to get ready for your night-time shift.

    1. Re:Watch what you eat by Kohath · · Score: 1

      The only thing he can do that doesn't take extra time is eat less food. Everything else takes up time.

      If you count calories (honestly -- no cheating) and always eat less in calories than the energy you use, you will lose weight over time. This is true regardless of the amount of exercise you do. It will make you very hungry if you don't exercise though because it's not much food. If you follow through with it, you may find it makes you so hungry that you find time to exercise more, using more calories, so you can finally eat.

    2. Re:Watch what you eat by Albanach · · Score: 1

      It will make you very hungry if you don't exercise though because it's not much food.

      It's not much if you eat high calorie food. You can keep your stomach quite full with veg though.

      1lb of baby carrots is about 150 calories. They're not expensive, taste good, can be eaten without utensils and are filling.

  25. Different job or move closer: downsides by tepples · · Score: 1

    I would look for a different job or move closer.

    In this recession, "a different job" would likely pay less than half the hourly rate, and "move closer" might be difficult if the significant other commutes in the other direction.

    1. Re:Different job or move closer: downsides by torkus · · Score: 1

      Gotta know when to hold em, gotta know when to fold em.

      Is having a good paying job, nice car/house/etc. worth the unhealthy and stressful lifestyle? Depends on your goals in life. I know plenty of people who burn out, plenty who succeed and plenty who decide a simple, clean place to live with simple possessions is enough for them if they have time for the things they enjoy doing.

      If you have a wife and kids to support...well you suck it up and take the job until a better one comes along. In the mean time - do what you can.

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    2. Re:Different job or move closer: downsides by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      His job is his SO. Seriously. It gets 3 hours a day of the 12 hours that are his to command. My wife and I are both physicians, went through med school and residency together. There were significant blocks there where our together time consisted, 5 nights a week, of 30 minutes eating dinner. Then we'd study in the same room. He doesn't even get that.

      When he's doing these commutes, it's really time to consider getting the employer to swing for at least part of a place to sleep in the town where the job is - saves him gas money and turns his life into a livable, if unpleasant, way to work a lot and earn a lot of money - which I'm assuming is why he puts up with the conditions.

      (My hospital has an area of an older building that is dedicated sleeping space for nurses who live in other towns but like the pay and benefits at ours - they come in, work 3 or 4 12-hour shifts in a row, then go home. One works two 16-hour shifts, with only 8 h off in between, and then goes home. It's worked quite well for us and them.)

  26. Fiber by MikeRT · · Score: 1

    Take your meals and snacks with you, and make sure that they are rich in fiber, not in simple carbohydrates. Fiber is very filling and takes a lot of energy to burn. My wife recently started making tex-mex soup/stew out of chili powder, beans, corn and ground beef. My stomach isn't bothered by it, and it generally gets me through the day on a serving size that is about 450-550 calories. If you take snack bars, it's important to make sure that you buy the more expensive onces that are mainly complex carbs and protein, and not just simple carbs and candy coating.

    1. Re:Fiber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fiber is very filling and takes a lot of energy to burn.

      You don't burn fiber, that's sort of the point. Fiber passes through your intestines and out the other end. If you consume 1000 calories in fiber, your body will spend calories just to get it out of your system.

  27. Another vote for "you don't" by smchris · · Score: 1

    Find a job that isn't killing you first. Done the night shift. Done the long hours and commute and 4.5/hrs of sleep/day. Never done the two together and don't recommend either.

  28. Some obvious ones by JerryLove · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to be obvious but: do whatever you can do on your breaks.

    I used to go out with someone I met at a work location and do TaiChi. Yoga comes to mind. Crunches/Push-ups/curling a freeweight comes to mind as well.

    After every call (or every 30min without one) drop and do (say) 20 of any of the above. Even if that ends up being once an hour (hour long calls?) a 10-hour-day will have 200 push-ups/stomach crunches (for a freeweight, working it while at your desk isn't bad; but remember to switch arms from time to time).

    Durnig your break, go for a run.

    1. Re:Some obvious ones by middlemen · · Score: 1

      your desk isn't bad; but remember to switch arms from time to time).

      Same for masturbation.

  29. Stairs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Welcome to IT. Find yourself a chick that likes chubby guys. I myself work in a large office building and use my hour lunch (when there is time for a lunch) to walk up and down the flights of stairs in the building. Won't do much to keep the buffness but keeps the waist down a bit.

  30. Very interesting article on this subject by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1

    Somebody already mentioned CrossFit, which I've been considering doing. But then I also came across this very interesting article about a new study about exercise. Bottom line, it's possible that you really need very little time exercising every day. It's the *intensity* of the workout that matters, not the amount of time.

    This fit very well with the Crossfit philosophy, which is a single exercise per day, but very intense.

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    1. Re:Very interesting article on this subject by Jason+Earl · · Score: 1

      Google Tabata intervals for more information on the subject. From my own experiments I can honestly say that high intensity interval training works very well. The downside is that these sorts of training regimens are especially brutal. Sure, your workout might only last for 4-6 minutes, but you'll need to schedule at least another 20 minutes of lying on your back wishing you could just die, especially at first.

      Some crossfit workouts fit this template. Others, not so much. For example, the Workout of the day for today is "run 10K."

    2. Re:Very interesting article on this subject by dealmaster00 · · Score: 1

      It all depends on your goals and your level of fitness for those goals. Short, intense workouts may be optimal for someone who wants to excel at general fitness, but are probably not sufficient for, say, an intermediate strength trainer, or a professional tennis athlete.

  31. Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by MarkvW · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a bike rack, a bicycle, a good headlamp and some very reflective clothes.

    Map a bike route from your worksite to a terminus about 6 to 10 miles away (where you can park your car). Optimize the route for safety and speed.

    Drive your car to the terminus every day and ride your bike into work in the morning and back to your car in the evening.

    1. Re:Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by buddhaunderthetree · · Score: 1

      Seconded. You would be surprised how commuting by bike can change your outlook on work and your health. Consider the benefits of getting your daily workout while commuting to work.

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    2. Re:Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hear hear! Cycling is much more interesting than spending an hour in a gym, seeing as you're actually getting somewhere every time you do it. I know of one person that's lost almost 65 kilos (140 pounds) by ditching the car and getting on his bike.

      Don't start off doing 6-10 miles each way. You'll be dead the first morning you try it if you haven't been on a bike since you were young. Start off parking ~2 miles away from work. If you pay for parking at the moment, then finding somewhere cheaper/free will be a good incentive to pedal. You may want to do a recon on a day off to work out exactly which route you'll take. Cycle that distance for a week or two before you increase your distance bit by bit.

      On a short route, or if taking things leisurely, you can get from A to B without breaking into a sweat. Alternatively you may wish to have a change of clothes. I only cycle a short distance to get work, but can't avoid a big 10% hill in getting there, so I cycle in some old clothes and change when I get there.

      There's the issue of logistics. A bike doesn't have as much luggage space as a car, but you can take stuff with you. A rucksack is simple and easily available, but the weight on your shoulders and the clamminess on your back will be uncomfortable in warm weather. As the parent post suggested, a bike rack is a much better option, as you can put all the weight on the bike frame, with some pannier bags or similar.

      There's nothing that says you have to cycle in every day of the week. You may find that taking the car all the way a few days a week lets you cart clothes/whatever in bulk to allow you to take the bike on other days, as well as giving you a rest. You can also stick to the car if the weather's lousy on a particular day, just make sure you get back in the saddle the day after.

      If you're in the northern hemisphere, then you may not need lights on your bicycle just yet. If you find yourself cycling after dusk (or at dawn) then you need to get the wallet out and get yourself some lights. (You wouldn't drive a car in the dark with no headlamps, would you?) They're not expensive; in the UK you can get a decent LED-based battery set for ~GBP10-20. Reflective clothing should also be part of the routine.

    3. Re:Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by siouxgeonz · · Score: 1

      And no, you're not hosed if you're in the US, necessarily. Could be you're overworked and overstressed enough so that it's exponentially more difficult to make changes, which require things like fortitude that are hard to come by living breath to breath. If that's the case I'd say find something that you can start small and LOG RIDE REPEAT. Small enough so you ***have*** to do it, period, no excuses, after all you are already giving 110% so what difference will 112% make? Your whole phrasing is set up as "somebody else tell me what to do so I can have one more failure because they didn't really understand." If you spend some of that time commuting on your bike it will clear lots of that crap out of your system ;)

    4. Re:Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by fool · · Score: 1

      yup, this thread has my vote too. but you needn't follow anyone's formula, just find a way to work some miles into your life. i eat as much as i want and frequently drink a 6-pack of beer in an evening, and if i am a couch potato i swell up in short order. my office is less than a mile from home, so riding to/from work doesn't really put a dent in the waistline. however, there are times when i take the long way, and almost every day i do something other than go to work--be that go out to dinner, go shopping, go to friends' homes, the movies, whatever. and i ride there.

      i grant you i have it super-easy since i moved to the most cycle-friendly city in the world, but i came from texas where i was frequently threatened by drivers and heat stroke and i did it there, too. definitely start with some advice from a local as to routes, or at least read http://bicyclesafe.com/ so you don't make any dumb moves or take any suboptimal routes (the interstate? almost always suboptimal.)

      definitely do ramp up slowly (anything is better than nothing) to minimize discouragement and keep discomfort manageable. definitely do get a bike that's in decent shape--need not be expensive, needs be maintained regularly like a car (or maybe even more so--i pump up my bike tires weekly and reapply lube...welll..should be monthly). get appropriate clothing--this may not be spandex, but it is also probably not your work clothing. the pain you feel from the exercise shouldn't be surface or joint pain, it should be muscle pain. if you get joint pain, you might need to adjust the fit of the bike; surface pain suggests different clothing (i chafe between the thighs unless i wear spandex, be it under my clothes or exclusively, for instance). as well, bike sizing matters--every bike is not right for every person, and riding a badly sized one can injure you. so a little professional or amateur help (i hang out on some local general-interest message boards and offer to help people pick something sane from craigslist; i know others do the same in other locales. or just go to a bike shop & pay for the advice.)

      these things will keep your riding more pleasant & safe.

      good luck!

    5. Re:Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this, I have lost 35 pounds in 3 months riding my bike back and forth to work, 10 to 20 miles each way. I still eat whatever I want. Works great. Have Fun, the rain won't melt you ;)

    6. Re:Bicycle!! Definitely Bicycle!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few years ago, I had that exact choice that another reader suggests. Either move or commute.

      I was in the middle of moving anyway, and my job was moving to another town, so I had a choice: live somewhere nice, but have a huge commute (hours on the train), and I'd be doing so much commuting I'd hardly be there to enjoy it.

      Or.

      Live closer to where my new job was going to be, gain so much more time back, and be fitter by cycling to work. I arrive merely minutes after I leave (did someone say time travel? ;).

      It was no contest really - I chose the latter. I live only a couple of miles from work now, it takes me 15 minutes, at most, to cycle there everyday rain or shine, thus keeping me fitter. I'm the fastest thing around town - I'm constantly overtaking the sorry car drivers stuck in their boxes :)

      I've done extensive calculations about how much personal time I get back by not "wasting" it commuting and/or waiting in congestion, and getting stressed by driving.

      Exercise produces endorphins which are the body's natural high, making me feel doubly good as I scoot past all the waiting traffic up to the front of the queue at the lights :)

      So my stats are as follows:

      By cycling to work, even only two miles, I get back 4 days a year of my life - every year - by not waiting in congestion. I'm totally relaxed when I get home, have much more time to socialise, date, whatever.

      I save £662 a year in fuel and parking costs. Buy a decent bike and it will last you for years. So I can afford to splash on all the high viz and protective gear I like, and still be quids in.

      I save 1128 miles a year on my truck but not driving to work = 1128 miles put on the bicycle instead.

      I eat what I like, and my weight rarely varies (but then, I also have quite a high metabolism)

      That's not factoring in the savings in gym membership either. And, yes, I do stop at red lights :)

  32. NOt rocket Science by RobertNotBob · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Your current job is incompatable with a healthy lifestyle.

    This isn't rocket science; pick one or the other.

    (I suggest you pick the health, and loose that job)

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    1. Re:NOt rocket Science by raind · · Score: 1

      Yep sounds like a lame job. Then again there not alot of good jobs out there IMHO.

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    2. Re:NOt rocket Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep! Agree 100%!

      One or the other. Hope the pay is damn good to make up for the stress that is building up. I was making bucket loads at one point but the stress was killing my marriage and my health. Stress-eating, I went from 16st to 24st in 2 years, Doc told me to lose the weight or die by the time reached 35. One day I got up and quit my job, took one for about 30% less pay while I worked out what the hell was going wrong in my life. For the first time in 5 years, I slept like a baby every night, lost 5st and then headed back into the market again after 6 months, having got my life back in order. I now have a job with twice what I was earning originally, about an hour away from home, my marriage is back on track, I eat properly and I have time to put in 60 mins of exercise a day, I am heading back down and out of diabetes-ville.

      The old sayings are the best, "You cannot have your cake and eat it!". You have to chose what is most important in your life, the work, the money, your health, your social life?

      Well article poster, what is is to be?

    3. Re:NOt rocket Science by jawahar · · Score: 1

      I would recommend the OP to practice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsistence_agriculture for some time.

  33. One Word by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KETTLEBELL! What is it you ask? It's a cannonball with a single handle on it.

    I'm in a similar boat, in that my metabolism had been stuck in park since my mid-teens. Approaching 30, I started doing something about it.

    I started working with a kettlebell in march, and promptly lost almost 30 lbs by mid-may. I've fallen off the wagon with a new job, and need to start working out regularly, but it's incredible. The workouts are Short (15-20 minutes) but very intense, keeping your heart rate high.

    Do a search on Youtube (or better yet, my account has a bunch of good training vids favorited: www.youtube.com/psiphyr). Look for "Enter the Kettlebell" by Pavel, and get yourself a kettlebell. You can take a look at my blog (again, fallen into a state of unlove since I started my new job 6 weeks ago) to get some ideas for how I built my routine.

    WARNING: This is one of the most intense exercise programs you're going to find. It's what the USSR used to train their Spetnaz. Check with your Dr, especially about your heart and/or asthma. This is a fast and effective way of working out. That does not mean it's easy.

  34. Self defeating by Pagey123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I realize that you have a relatively insane schedule, but go back and read your comments. They are nearly all self defeating. Working out regularly is like quitting smoking - it's something YOU have to want to do for yourself and your own benefit. You'd be amazed what a simple set of adjustable dumbbells and a weight bench will do when used for only 20 minutes a day 3 to 4 days per week. Throw in some form of cardio on your days off from lifting, and you're doing far better than most of the general public.

    Also, if you are truly serious about staying in shape, take a good look at your diet. Years ago I switched my diet from overly processed starches and red meats to include more whole grains, skim milk, water, whole fruits and vegetables, and green tea. My energy levels easily doubled. The amount of time I spent sick dropped.

    Seriously, if you truly want to get in shape, you will make time for it. All it takes is making it a habit, which will probably require a 2 month investment on your part, whether you feel like it on a given day or not. There are days when I don't feel 100% like working out, but once I get about 5 minutes into my routine, I am up to the challenge.

    1. Re:Self defeating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done your job. It sucks if you let it, but it's liberating if you choose to be liberated. Opinions are like assholes, but there are some good ones here. Here's what worked for me.

      Pushups and situps when I'm bored. Your coworkers might mock you for a few days, but once you can kick their asses, they'll shut up.
      Stairs instead of elevators. If you have an excuse to go to another floor, take the stairs. Similarly, get up and move, walk around, go give your coworkers some shit, anything to not just sit there.

      If you've got a watercooler or water fountain close, get a Nalgene bottle, and just don't put the quarters into the pop machine, and don't put sugar in your coffee. If the coke machine is closer then the water fountain, just buy 2 cases of bottled water and drink that until you get into the habit.

      Chose when to snack. You're working 12's at a desk. You're going to snack. Chose when to be hungry and what you're going to eat. Your body will become hungry at snack time. Remember that. Your body will become hungry at snack time ... dollars to donuts you've already trained it.

      Jog during lunch break. Just man up and go do it. If it's Atlanta, you're going to stink, If it's not humid, you won't for a few hours. Not "run 5 miles and come back beat up and soaked", go jog. The guy with the jumprope comment is on to something. However, knees are expensive. Be smarter then me and learn from others instead of pain.

      In the big picture, choose to develop healthy habits. Making the habits will take work, but choosing is much harder. Man up and do it.

  35. set up to fail by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

    Any thoughts/opinions/suggestions?

    (1) Try living closer to your work. That long commute is more draining than you realize.

    Assume you need 8 hours of sleep a night. Working a 12-hour shift, you are using three quarters of your free waking hours commuting. This leaves you one hour for eating, exercising, and anything else you want to do.

    So probably you're not getting enough sleep...which means you are more stressed, which also leads to weight gain. Add in the lack of exercise, and your cortisol levels must be getting pretty high. So not only do you have little free time, you are gaining weight, and you are slowly reducing your life expectancy.

    My suggestion is to move or find a new job. Seriously.

    I did the long hours + long commute routine for years. I can't believe how much better I felt, and how much healthier I was, when I moved and got a new job with a reasonable commute and slightly fewer hours (50-55 instead of 60+). That's even though I was hardcore about ensuring I got 30 mins of aerobic exercise 5 days a week when I had the long commute & hours.

    Of course, then I started having kids, so any time savings I had are out the door, and I've packed quite a few pounds back on due to lack of exercise.

    But seriously, something's got to give with your schedule. You can give up your health, your commute, or your job. Pick one.

    --
    "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    1. Re:set up to fail by hattig · · Score: 1

      I moved and got a new job with a reasonable commute and slightly fewer hours (50-55 instead of 60+)

      Sometimes I don't think I appreciate my sub-40 hour week job nearly enough. Don't say you also only got 20 days a year holiday with that!

    2. Re:set up to fail by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      15 days vacation plus 6 sick days plus 2 personal days plus 10.5 national holidays.

      There are upsides to the job balancing out the time required to complete the work (and downtime during the day helps mitigate the long hours). Otherwise I wouldn't have accepted the position :)

      --
      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
    3. Re:set up to fail by hattig · · Score: 1

      Well given I'm reading Slashdot at 11pm here, downtime at work where you can do that isn't to be sniffed at.

      Still, I'd expect 25 days + national holidays + sick days + reasonable flexi-time now, I think. /other side of the atlantic

  36. You're going to have to make it work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to decide if you can create a situation where you CAN work out for 30 minutes a day on the schedule you've described, or, you're going to have to change your schedule. I imagine you take time for lunch? Eat at your desk and spend 30 minutes on a bike or treadmill or something. I suggest this because it seems like people don't just get up and run outside anymore. If you're at a weight where running is bad for you, start with walking. You also say you 'unwind' when you get home. Make that time exercise time too.

    You've really put yourself, though, in a position where all you CAN do is work this sort of job with the hours you say it demands and the distance you live from it. If you truly want to be fitter, you will have to make necessary adjustments. There's no quick fix here and you'll have to understand and accept that. I might also say that as an engineering consultant, I work the same hours you do and live an equivalent distance. I make the time.

  37. Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Meth. I have yet to run into a fat meth-head.

    1. Re:Easy Solution by sabs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or an old one

    2. Re:Easy Solution by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      Live fast, die young, and leave a thin, pale corpse covered in bruises and sores.

    3. Re:Easy Solution by sabs · · Score: 1

      Michael?
      Is that you?

    4. Re:Easy Solution by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Live fast, die young, and leave a thin, pale corpse covered in bruises and sores.

      You're forgetting toothless.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    5. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plain old amphetamine (as opposed to methamphetamine) seemed to work pretty well for Paul Erdos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erd%C5%91s

    6. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I realise you were being facetious, but just to dispel the 'amphetamines will help you lose weight' rumour...
      As someone who has had the occasional meth binge when an interesting game comes out and some grinding is in order:
      Unless you're an actual addict, you don't lose shit all weight. Sure, you'll spend a couple of days not eating and constantly jigging your leg up and down while you sit at your desk, but once you come down, get some sleep and need to start functioning like a human again, your appetite is immense. Like 2 whole pizzas to yourself kinda immense. You'll seem skinny for a day or two, then pile it all straight back on.

      Not that anyone needs another reason to avoid meth. It's a terrible drug that turns even occasional users into selfish, hollow assholes.
      Don't play with it, kids. Stick to the acid.

    7. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's kidding of course. That stuff'll kill you.

    8. Re:Easy Solution by Itninja · · Score: 1

      I don't eat and I can't sleep, but I got the cleanest house on the street! Oh Meth! Oh Meth!

      --
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    9. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jazz cigs also give the heart a workout - and lower your blood pressure as well.

    10. Re:Easy Solution by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Plenty of fat meth heads around; however, they can no longer leave the trailer park for fear of the multidimensional FBI from the center of an alternate earth named Spzzm taking away their 20 liter of soda and Sunny D a day addiction though.

    11. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen plenty of old meth heads. They look twice their age, and their minds are completely shot.

    12. Re:Easy Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in northern California I have seen plenty of both. Fat methheads and old ones. Rural hills are a strange place.

    13. Re:Easy Solution by bytta · · Score: 1

      So it keeps you skinny AND young?
      Where can I find this miracle drug that you speak of?

  38. Work, sleep, eat by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    That appears to be your entire (current) life. You can't sustain that.

    But in the short term, for exercise, look into biking. No, it doesn't have to be ALL the way to work. Split the task. Drive, and bike in for the last 8-10 miles or so. At the end of your shift, bike back to the car and drive home.
    Or do the same but walking. Walk the last mile to and from work.

  39. Workout over your lunch break. by axjms · · Score: 2, Informative

    Do what I do. Bring a workout bag and run or crossfit during your lunch hour. Find a shower in your building or nearby and use it. Or use wet paper towels. Don't laugh it works. Eat your lunch back at your workstation after you workout. I was in a similar situation to you about two years ago and was slowly turning into a slug. I made friends with some one in the building who ran every day rain, snow, or shine. I hurt for about two months but it got better.

    Wait, you say you don't have a lunch hour, work in a city can't run, or a myriad of other excuses. It's all B.S. and I used them all too. If you are working 60 hours a week and being productive you get at least an hour break in there unless you work in a gulag.

    It's worth it, and life is short. I wouldn't trade the fitness I have earned for just about anything.

    --
    It is not enough to succeed, others must fail. - Gore Vidal
    1. Re:Workout over your lunch break. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody working 60 hours a week long-term is productive. Well, not 50% more productive than someone working a standard 40-hour week, anyway. Just think how fogged his brain is that he even has to ask this question.

    2. Re:Workout over your lunch break. by LCValentine · · Score: 1

      Or use wet paper towels.

      Show = Baby whipes. US Marines use them in the field for weeks or months.

  40. Meth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Meth will help you lose weight and stay away during your long work hours. It will also help lessen your dental bills in the long term.

  41. I love to work out before bed by XaXXon · · Score: 1

    Often times my brain is tired before bed, but my body is not. If that makes sense. This makes it hard for me to go to sleep. Lifting some light weights (dumbbells that can easily be put in a corner when not in use) and doing things like pushups and situps before bed makes me more tired and lets me go to sleep better.

    Also, doing weight training in any form helps you burn more calories when you're just sitting around doing nothing. Your body has to support those muscles and that takes energy.

    You'd be amazed how much you can do with just a chair and a pair of dumbbells.

  42. Calories by maxume · · Score: 1

    Count them. If you don't know how much you are eating, then you don't have any clue if you are eating too much or not. Figuring out how much you are eating is the first step.

    Simply counting the calories you consume may be enough to make you realize an easy way to cut out a few hundred calories; remember, 115 extra calories a day is equivalent to about 1 pound gained a month.

    --
    Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
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  44. A few tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny to read your post I was just thinking about this before going on Slashdot. I've found it very difficult to find time the past year. I normally like to exercise in team sports but found it difficult to work since not being flexible if I also want a bit of social life and time for the misses ;-) I work between 50 and 60 hours a week and find myself drained at times. The first thing was to recognize that I need to prioritize this in order to function properly and secondly tried to minimize the time by combining activities or finding something more appealing than just working out (tried that and ended up quitting after a month). Here's what I've come up with: 1. I bike to work (12 km each way) 2. I go for a walk/run/threadmill early in the morning (6:30-7:00). Hate doing it that way but enjoy listening to podcasts. 3. I found a sport I really enjoy. In my case kite surfing, but it could be anything. What I like about it is that it's individual, but at the same time very social and I can do it when I have time - or when the weather allows it. 4. And more sex ;-) Hope it helps.

  45. What facilities are near where you work? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a swimming pool near by? How about a park?

    Excercise is a good way to wind down and can also help you sleep better.

    I'm lucky the building where I work has a shower, so I can cycle to work 45 mins each way.

    What are the options for moving closer to cut the commute time?

  46. Move closer to work, or get a different job. by Fortunato_NC · · Score: 1

    There is no way that you are being paid enough working first level support at night in a NOC to justify a three hour daily commute. I know the economy is in the shitter right now, but you are simply abusing yourself. Your question doesn't say what your personal situation is like (do you have a spouse/significant other, what does she do, etc...), but your first priority needs to be to relocate as close to work as possible, or, alternatively, to find a job in the same zip code where you currently live. That three hour commute is essentially three hours a day of unpaid work. Over the course of a year of 4 day weeks, that is almost an entire extra man-month dedicated to your job, for free. Don't be a sucker.

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  47. Do what you can, not what you want. by Javaman59 · · Score: 1

    You are in a bad situation, with respect to fitness. You are quite right that work and sleep, and a bit of down time, must come before an exercise regime.

    The danger will be that as weeks of this turn into months, and you haven't exercised, that you'll become so lethargic that you can't bring yourself to exercise when you get the chance

    My recommendation is that you make a point of each week doing at least some exercise, however light. Better to go for a walk around the block, than to resolve to run a mile, and not do it.

    Even better, would be to get some small exercise every day. If at all possible, try to go for a 20 minute, or even 10 minute, walk at lunch time. It will keep you in shape (somewhat), and clear the head for the rest of the day.

    Eventually, as your body clock adjusts to your new schedule, you will be able to do some more demanding exercises, but that time will come a lot sooner if you keep doing regular light exercise.

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  48. Best Advice? C.L.A! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have the same problem and I must tell you all what I discovered 3 weeks ago. C.L.A. is an Omega 6 oil that makes your body burn more fat MAINLY around your belly. It also slows degradation of muscle if your work-outs are farther between. It's only $10-$15 a bottle. Then there's arginine; although most sites boast it as a "Herbal Viagra" you should check wikipedia. It has an amazing list of health benefits. Take it for 8 weeks on, 4 weeks off, etc. Lastly, Green Tea works really well in combination with CLA, because it gently speeds your metabolism, helping CLA burn your belly fat. DO NOT take anything else that speeds your heart, ephedrine, etc. I've tried all of these in the past and the gentleness yet effectiveness of CLA is unparalleled. I hope this helps. If you only take one of these three, make it CLA. And keep weights near your desk. I use them during wait times, keeps my energy up, and keeps me lean.

    1. Re:Best Advice? C.L.A! by getnate · · Score: 1

      BS, you cannot control where fat is burned from.

  49. 6 minutes a week by trb · · Score: 1

    Do you have six minutes a week?

    1. Re:6 minutes a week by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As your problem is described, interval training like this is the only thing that's going to work for you. (Everyone telling submitter to get a different job might want to check unemployment statistics. It's likely he took the job because job offers aren't a dime a dozen these days.)

      I do a daily interval workout on an exercise bike that takes about 15 minutes. It's not a secret magic wand, but it's pretty clear that for me at least, it's accomplishing as much cardio fitness and calorie burn as an hour of biking at a more typical pace. When running late I can do it in as little as 7 minutes and feel about 70%-80% of the effect. You can use a pretty cheap bike in your home; sturdiness and a good resistance adjustment are about all you need.

  50. Quick remedy by oldhack · · Score: 1

    Might as well just keel over and die.

    Sorry. ;-)

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    Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
  51. Hacker's Diet - 15 Minute Plan WFM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Look up Hacker's Diet, in that book, there is a 15 minute workout routine that works great for me. It starts out easy, but it gets much more difficult as you progress, however it only takes 15 minutes, ever, if you do it right.

  52. Get rid of the commute by ShortRound · · Score: 1

    I used to commute 70 miles to work daily. I found it soul crushing. IMO life is way too short to lose 3 hours of it every work day in a car. If this is your dream job, find a way to move closer to it. If it's not, then spend whatever time you have worrying about finding a closer job. Once you've eliminated the commute you can find a way to live more actively. Maybe you can bike to work like I do.

    In the meantime just try to eat the best you can, lots of raw vegetables is my suggestion.

  53. Lunch? by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

    What about working out during lunch? At my old job (that had a fitness center) I'd spend the first 30 minutes of my lunch working out, then the last 30 minutes to run somewhere to get lunch and eat it at my desk when I got back. That worked out nicely for me. As an added benefit, the endorphine rush you get from working out does wonders for making the remainder of your shift more pleasant.

    1. Re:Lunch? by slim · · Score: 1

      ... always assuming this nightmare employer provides showers in the workplace.

    2. Re:Lunch? by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Meh...I only lifted weights so I didn't sweat enough to require a shower afterwards.

  54. Cycling to work by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I commute to work on a bicycle almost every day. That's 2x11 Km each day. Some of my colleagues have longer commutes.

    I enjoy it a lot, and consider that in Finland there is a ton of bicycle paths, so one doesn't need to risk his/her life while cycling.

    Of course, if you're in most of the US or Canada, you're shit out of luck, but there are some cities that are cyclist-friendly even in North America.

    BTW, as a general comment about your life: I think your lifestyle is deeply fucked. You basically don't have a life. If you are married, you are sacrificing not only yours, but your wife's and your children's life as well. You'll die just like the rest of us, buy you'll wonder where did your life go.

    --
    "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    1. Re:Cycling to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bike between two American cities, one of which is somewhat cycling-friendly, which means the overall commute is somewhat bicycle-unfriendly. If you don't get run over by a car, it's actually not that bad.

    2. Re:Cycling to work by ngg · · Score: 1

      Even in Los Angeles (the city of the car) cycling to work isn't so bad. 9 miles takes about 45 minutes with traffic and lights vs. about 30 minutes in the car (including finding parking) means that you can do 1.5 hours of exercise in just 30 minutes.

    3. Re:Cycling to work by tsnorquist · · Score: 1

      I cycle too 12 miles a day. I like the challenge of not getting crushed by a car. Reminds me of Paperboy on NES.

    4. Re:Cycling to work by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      9 miles is about 14.5 Km. I do 11 Km in slightly less than 30 min, so we're about equal in speed, though I have a few uphills (3 major ones) on my commute - and I have a singlespeed! Which makes the ride all the more workout-ish :o)

      How is LA hills-wise?

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      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    5. Re:Cycling to work by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I cycle too 12 miles a day. I like the challenge of not getting crushed by a car. Reminds me of Paperboy on NES.

      We'll have to disagree there: for me it is important to be relaxed. The time I spend cycling to work is MY time, I want to enjoy it and not to worry whether I'll have my brains squished out under a car or truck tire.

      BTW, I have that game :o)

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    6. Re:Cycling to work by bfrpsw · · Score: 1

      Of course, if you're in most of the US or Canada, you're shit out of luck, but there are some cities that are cyclist-friendly even in North America.

      I don't know about the US, or even about a lot of Canada, but Ottawa is a fantastic city to bike commute - I did it for many years, most recently I had a 40km round-trip. Took under 40min each way on a good day, mostly on bicycle paths and quiet secondary roads.

      Of course, this wasn't possible from mid-November until mid-to-late March most years. I doubt Finland is more amenable than that, though.

    7. Re:Cycling to work by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one curious as to how the Blind Biker manages to ride a bike for 22 km a day without crashing, hitting someone/something or even getting killed by driving into a busy intersection?

    8. Re:Cycling to work by dr2chase · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing echolocation. Avoiding cars (except those sneaky Priuses) is easy, they're noisy as hell. And since lots of bikers run red lights anyway, who's going to notice one more? A blind biker at least as a really good excuse.

    9. Re:Cycling to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not join a sporting team? or start one? the hours we all work are shite, but being in a real team, instead of a work one makes my downward spiral a lot more enjoyable.

    10. Re:Cycling to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's driving 2+ hours each way. That's probably over 200miles a day. He isn't gonna bicycle that in 1 day, much less 5 days a week **at night**!

      BTW, I road my bicycle to work 10mi each way to work 6 days a week many years ago. I've also biked over 500 miles in 7 days on multiple occasions.

      He needs:
        Calories in Calories out.
        Walk-run for 45 min a day - do "something" active every day when you can't spend 45 min on a plan.

      I've done 100pushups, 100burpies, watched my calories, and hiked 5 hours/day. Out of all of these things, counting calories helped me lose 60lbs. None of the other methods appeared to cause any weight lose, none.

    11. Re:Cycling to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is Portland, OR I do the same my work provides indoor bike racks and showers. It provides 2 works a day.

  55. One word... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    TAPEWORM...These little suckers will keep those pesky pounds off with minimal effort.

  56. incorporate exercise into daily routine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. No elevators, no escalators - ALWAYS take the stairs if you can.
    2. Go out to lunch, don't bring your own. This might be hard when working at night; at least walk to a convenience store to buy coffee on your food breaks.
    3. If you drive, park in the farthest place on the parking lot. Walk fast or even run from/to your car if you can't spare the time to walk.
    4. Exercise while at your desk. Get those "stress balls" to exercise your forearms. Do some sit-ups when no one's looking. Go to the bathroom or another floor so you have an excuse to use the stairs. I made a habit of walking up and down 4 flights of stairs every day at work (in addition to using stairs for legitimate things like getting to work)
    5. Drink black coffee, tea, or diet soda. Caffeine increases your metabolism.
    6. Do fast but intense workouts at home: push-ups, sit-ups, stuff that will tire you in 5 minutes if you can't spare more time.
    7. Make up your lost workouts on the weekends.

    1. Re:incorporate exercise into daily routine by slim · · Score: 1

      I'm with you right up to the caffeine bit. Caffeine is not a healthy substance.

      (I drink a lot of coffee - but I don't pretend it's healthy)

    2. Re:incorporate exercise into daily routine by AdamWeeden · · Score: 1

      2. Go out to lunch, don't bring your own. This might be hard when working at night; at least walk to a convenience store to buy coffee on your food breaks.

      Absolutely disagree with this one. I don't know about the submitter, but lunch I bring myself is almost always more nutritious (and as a bonus less expensive) than anything I'd get while at work. The calories you spend walking to somewhere to eat are usually wiped out by the time you get done eating whatever food from whatever restaurant you get it from.

      --
      I was quoted out of context in my autobiography...
  57. beeb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I workout during lunch. If it doesn't happen during lunch for me then it doesn't happen at all. Find a workout place close to your job.

  58. Creative Exercising by kiehlster · · Score: 1

    Schedule some maintenance work or emergency preparedness exercises where you have to move 2U+ servers around the facilities. Work yourself up to 4U+ as you go along.

    Or you could just bring a couple dumbbells to work and lift while at your desk.

  59. It's all in what you eat by MetricT · · Score: 4, Informative

    Weight loss is a matter of willpower, but it's also a matter of having the right technique. All the willpower in the world won't help you if you're doing the wrong thing. And weight loss isn't about exercise (at least for me), it was about eating right.

    I spent two years running 30 miles a week, and eating bad foods. I lost 15 pounds in 2 years (and wore my knees out in the process).

    I spent six months eating healthy food and weightlifting 2 days a week. I lost 30 pounds in 6 months.

    Notice the difference.

    1. Cut out sugar, flour, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes from your diet. They spike your insulin and give you that gnawing hunger.
    2. Give yourself 3 skip meals a week where you violate the first rule, but not too much. Only a bit.
    3. Eat a portion of white meat two meals a day. It slows your digestion, and keeps your body from starving itself of protein.
    4. Eat salads, fruits, vegetables, beans, nuts until you are full (but only after eating your protein.

    That's really all there is to it. No secrets. For the first two months, my "exercise" was reading the newspaper in the sauna and I lost 15 lbs in that time. I did start weightlifting after a few months, and have almost doubled my benchpress and legpress weights in only 4 months. My waist has gone from a fat 40" to a loose 34". I feel like a million dollars.

    1. Re:It's all in what you eat by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 1

      That's an awful lot of sacrifices to result in being skinny but not fit in the end. If you don't do actual exercise, you can't be fit. End of story.

      --
      Brian Fundakowski Feldman
    2. Re:It's all in what you eat by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Also not to be underestimated, stop drinking soda. If you drink a lot of soda, try switching to water. I did it a few years ago, and dropped 15 lbs from that alone.

    3. Re:It's all in what you eat by MetricT · · Score: 1

      This isn't an either/or situation. Eating and exercising are *both* necessary, but for me, most of the weight loss was due to diet and not the exercise. As I pointed out, I ran 30 miles a week for two years, and had 1/2 the weight loss I did in 6 months of eating right and weightlifting twice a week.

      You are what you eat. Seriously.

    4. Re:It's all in what you eat by Radtastic · · Score: 1

      I wish I could mod you up. Lowering weight, even if you can't get in exercise, has tremendous benefit to your heart because it's not having to support the extra body mass.

      It's too bad many people dismiss low glycemic index diets as "fad". They should read up first.

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      You stereotypers are all the same...
    5. Re:It's all in what you eat by Brian+Feldman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't an either/or situation. Eating and exercising are *both* necessary, but for me, most of the weight loss was due to diet and not the exercise. As I pointed out, I ran 30 miles a week for two years, and had 1/2 the weight loss I did in 6 months of eating right and weightlifting twice a week.

      You are what you eat. Seriously.

      I didn't say "weight loss," I said "fit." If you want to be skinny, eat little. If you want to be fit, exercise. Fitness isn't a number that you see on a scale; it is your body's ability to perform within reasonable athletic parameters. You can't have that with a sedentary lifestyle regardless of what you consume.

      --
      Brian Fundakowski Feldman
    6. Re:It's all in what you eat by justinlee37 · · Score: 1

      Being fit makes sex better! But really most people these days are happy with just being skinny.

    7. Re:It's all in what you eat by Bl4ckJ3sus · · Score: 1
      Parent is 100% spot on right. Let me tell you about my situation. I had been steadily gaining weight since 1994. Started around 190 and ended up at 280 before I'd finally had enough. Switched to low carb (atkins specifically) and started working out a few times a week. I've lost 60+ pounds since Sep. 08 and kept it off. I went from 44" waist to 38" in that time. My health has improved drastically and overall I feel great.

      Cut out the sodas... if you have to drink something besides water, try crystal light or wylers light. Or if you must have the carbonation, try Coke Zero or Sprite Zero. Give low carb/ high protein a try and don't believe all those BS stories about it ruining you kidneys or stuff like that.

      Get the atkins book and the atkins cookbooks. There are tons of them around and people are selling them dirt cheap on Amazon now that the low carb "fad" is over...

      There's a lot of resources online. One I like to go to is http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/ The lady has a ton of really really good recipes.

    8. Re:It's all in what you eat by ThomsonsPier · · Score: 1

      How's your blood pressure?

    9. Re:It's all in what you eat by MetricT · · Score: 1

      My BP dropped from 130/85 to 112/72 (according to the machine at my local Wal-Mart).

    10. Re:It's all in what you eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I picked that up the last few months. Carry one of those Nalgene bottles, which are ~1L. Drink one before lunch, 1 before you go home at a minimum. Keeps the hunger off and it's a better for you than soda.

      I say this as a student who does work/study. My first semester working I always went to the vending machine with everyone else. Ate lunch out every day. Gained 10-15 lbs. This past semester I did the Nalgene bottle thing. Never go to the vending machine. I keep some almonds or something in my desk if I get the munchies. Only went out to eat 3 times a week (it's a matter of convenience and not dining hall food). Lost a few pounds. I've got some dumbbells in my room to kind of do something. Next term myself and a co-worker are going to brown bag it every day. He's cheap and too lazy to walk back to his dorm, and I'm trying to eat healthier but it works out fine since I'm not the lone guy not hanging out with everyone.

      If you get sick of water with a nalgene bottle, the tap sucks at your work, or some other excuse, someone mentioned dropping the Crystal light packets. Try one of those, or some other powdered drink. Put less of it in than you're supposed to.

    11. Re:It's all in what you eat by darkwhite · · Score: 1

      Cut out sugar, flour, bread, pasta, rice, potatoes from your diet. They spike your insulin and give you that gnawing hunger.

      What?

      I don't even know where to start. This is horrible advice. Sugar, yes. Every other item you listed? I'm speechless.

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  60. After Surgery by Sir+Holo · · Score: 1

    Maybe after your condition necessitates back or heart surgery you'll re-think how much you value this job.

    I did for mine.

  61. stronglifts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    stronglifts.com 5x5 strength training program

    I started this program 4 weeks ago. If you can take a 1 hour lunch, you can do this program. I was struggling with a 12 hour day 5 days a week, wanting to get in shape but not sacrifice my precious time with my wife and 2 small children for a workout routine. I was also finding that I was very slothful and lazy on my time off on the weekends because I was so out of shape and worn out from the week...

    I now work out 3 times a week, 1 hour at a time, over my lunch break. It is an effective workout that encompasses a great range of muscles and brief cardio (which I intend to supplement with runs over the weekend). I feel tremendously stronger and more energetic on the weekends, much more ready to tackle those home improvement projects that come with owning a fixer-upper...

    The workout is short, but terribly hard, and always getting harder and moving towards heavier weights. You alternate between 2 different sets of 5 exercises per workout. It includes squats, deadlifts, press, benchpress, and other bodyweight exercises...

    I highly recommend it...

  62. You need to make time. by djdavetrouble · · Score: 1

    As someone that experiences back pain if I don't exercise regularly, I will tell you this.
    You have to make time for the things that are important to you: exercise, spending time with your children,
    spending time with your spouse, etc. If I let my job work me during every second of the day, that is my own fault.
    I am entitled legally to x amount of minutes for lunch and breaks and I use those to exercise at a gym during
    my lunch hour. The more I exercise, the better I feel, so it is always worth it to make time. My company offers
    these benefits, and I would be a fool to not take advantage of them.

    --
    music lover since 1969
  63. 24/7 Gym or Think Opposite by smackenzie · · Score: 1

    I understand this predicament all too well. And working out substantially is critical to your mental and physical well-being. Try asking yourself what you can do at the gym in order to save time at home (or the office). Here is what I recommend:

    - Find a 24/7 gym, or at least a gym with very good hours. Preferably on the way to work.
    - If, for example, you shower in the "morning", then don't shower at home. Wake up. Bring a change of clothes on way to work. Use gym. Shower / shave. Head to work.
    - Do this for 2 or 3 of your work days per week. And work out on the 2 days that you get off. Obviously, this varies.
    - Plan on working out for an hour or so.
    - Bring the paper if you typically read this at home.
    - Or bring journals, reading edification, potentially email on a smartphone, etc., -- anything that gains back a little time for you at work or home. - I'll leave the specifics (cardio, weights, stretching) up to the professionals.

    I know it's obvious. But nothing is going to give you a good concentrated workout quite like 60 to 90 minutes at the gym. And since you shower there, you are discussing 4 to 6 hours / week... well worth it. I gained back about 1 hour of that time per week reading the paper in-between sets. And I do answer critical, quick emails on my iPhone. Yes, get up and walk around and stretch at work and all that, but it's going to be hard to come anywhere close to this regime using any off-the-cuff or "creative" solutions.

  64. Get A Different Job by rawr_one · · Score: 1

    Period. Even if you could find a way to manage to work out around your current schedule, you wouldn't be keeping yourself healthy. You would simply be wearing yourself down even faster.

    Talk with your supervisor or whoever you can about getting a shorter work day (8 hours) and being able to work more often (say, 6 days a week, if you need to work around 50-60 hours a week). If they can't understand why that is a good idea (seriously, this is actually even better for your company due to the productivity boost and overall morale boost), then you should not be working there. Go find a job somewhere else, preferably somewhere closer to home that follows some sort of ethical guidelines about human labor.

    It is not worth the years of your life you will kill off by trying to work out and keep up a 12-hour work schedule at the same time. You'll just be throwing away your life if you do.

  65. What a loaded submission - find a new job. by stastuffis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You work a 60-hour work week. Apparently, you also get a poor amount of sleep. Working out involves recovery time. Adequate sleep is paramount to a sound body and mine.

    You can't do a workout program? You can't wake up early? You really can't do anything outside of your days off. You want a magic fit pill? You want longer days? You want what does not exist.

    The answer is blatantly obvious: find a new job or face the fact that your mental and physical state will erode over time.

    It is comforting to know that IT doesn't require common sense.

  66. I've done this, and it sucks.... by whistlingtony · · Score: 1

    Night shift all by itself will greatly degrade your health. If you want any semblance of normality, don't switch back to days on your weekends! Of course, this will destroy your social life, which is very important to your quality of life. Either way, you're screwed.

    Your job sucks. get a new one, or demand to go to days.
    Move closer and bike to work.
    Consider that your exercise and your unwind time can be combined into one. See biking to work.
    Take your lunch break and go to the gym. Every Night. Do It.
    Get really good sleep.
    Bring your own healthy food to work. This will take extra effort. Don't eat out of the Spinning Wheel of Death (vending machines).

    You're pretty much screwed unless you can get a treadmill attached to your cube. If you can, then a nice slow walking pace through the day will take care of most of your problems. Good Luck getting your boss to OK that one....

    Seriously... Get a new job. It's not worth it. I did it for 8 years and it turned me fat and grouchy. It had a good part to play in my divorce. Oh, and I lost touch with all my friends who didn't work nights. All for fleeting money.....

    -T

    -Tony

    1. Re:I've done this, and it sucks.... by gujo-odori · · Score: 1

      I'm an 8-year veteran of night shifts myself, too, but it didn't hurt my health. I actually *like* working third shift, unlike many of those doing it. I did it on a regular shift - 8-ish hours * 5 days, unlike the OP, which helps, and I also lived only 20 minutes from the worksite. But you're spot-on about not switching back to days on days off. I pretty much lived a third-shift schedule all the time, so it didn't impact my health.

      That divorce thing, I hear that. When I worked third shift, there were pretty much two kinds of people: single ones, most of whom liked being on third shift and wanted to stay there, and married ones who didn't. Well, it wasn't whether or not they liked it, it was the constant hassle from their wives - many of whom would call them at work to do it - about "When are you going to get off that damn shift?"

      Funny how none of the married women on third shift ever seemed to get any hassle from their husbands about it. The married people who got hassled by their spouses were all guys, FWIW.

  67. One simple idea... by HikingStick · · Score: 1

    Ask for (or purchase yourself, if need be) a keyboard and monitor stand that will allow you to work while standing up. If your employer is likely to balk, couch it in terms they can understand. Let them know that the sedentary nature of the job may lead to poorer health, and that poor health costs more (in health insurance and lost work). Note how a very inexpensive accomodation (some sort of podium/stand) would allow you to model healthy behavior at the office, and that healthier employees cost less to insure. It may seem like a pain when you first start out, but you'll grow accustomed to it, and your body will burn more calories just because you are standing. In the course of a week, that can add up to a significant amount.

    If you can eventually add a cordless headset, you'll have greater mobility, too, allowing you to keep moving while working (when possible).

    --
    I use irony whenever I can, but my shirts are still wrinkled...
  68. Electro-muscle stimulators by virgil+Lante · · Score: 1

    Get a portable EMS unit or 5. With an ample supply of batteries you can twitch youself back into shape. If your really strapped for time you can throw an electro ejaculator in the mix which would help with the social aspect of your slavery.

  69. Do you want to live? by Zarf · · Score: 1

    Do you want to stay alive or do you want to die? Work out.

    --
    [signature]
  70. Make your day harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I keep a 45lb dumbbell in my cube. Anyone says something I ask them to preacher curl it. That shuts them up quick.
    The body will adapt to it's lowest activity threshold.. Just make that harder and your body will adapt. Also watch the junkfood.

  71. standing desk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously.. get a workstation that you can stand at and work from there for four hours a day.

    Just the act of standing for say four hours a day will help your metabolism. The extra activity will help burn away mental cobwebs too.

    Rumsfield had a standing desk in the pentagon. He did a lot of his work from it. If that 70 year old guy can stand most of the day you can stand some of it.

  72. Move or Die by bloodstar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But "Move or Die" can mean many things. First you can move your body: exercising in the simplest ways. Walk a mile when things are slow. If you have time to do push ups and sits ups at work, then you have time to walk as well. Work out every day you aren't at work. Accept that your life is about Work and working out and that you don't have time for anything else. If something else is getting in the way of working out, then accept that working out isn't important enough. unless you're willing to do the second or third move.

    Next "Move where you work": you have to decide if you wish to continue working at a company that appears to have no concern about your physical or mental health and well being. The Company may not care if you're burned out and dying from heart disease in 20 years, but you should be. If you can't do the first or third "Move" you have to decide if the loss of physical health is worth the financial compensation you get.

    Finally: "Move where you live": If the first two options aren't viable, then perhaps you should consider that a 90 minute commute is insane under these circumstances. I personally have an hour commute after a 9 hour day. And I'm seriously considering moving much closer. If you're in a house that's devalued because of the economy, then it sucks, but you have to decide if the financial hit you take from moving (and remember, you'll save a ton on gas every month not driving that 100+ mile trip every day).

    In the end if your health is that important for you, you'll have to figure out what sort of move you want to make, and if none of them are viable, then accept you'll be slowly dying until you change your mind.

    --
    "The bass, the rock, the mic, the treble. I like my coffee black, just like my metal" - Mindless Self Indulgence
    1. Re:Move or Die by notthepainter · · Score: 1

      Finally: "Move where you live": If the first two options aren't viable, then perhaps you should consider that a 90 minute commute is insane under these circumstances. I personally have an hour commute after a 9 hour day.

      I second this! Over the past 11 years I've sat in a cube 5 days a week for only 1 full year. I done both part time telecommuting and full time telecommuting the rest of those 11 years. (About half was full time telecommuting.)

      Now the original poster clearly can't telecommute but they can shorten their commute (by either moving or quitting). Let me tell you just how beneficial that is. Not commuting my (1 hour+ one way) commute anymore has seriously changed my life for the better. You don't know just how bad traffic is until you are no longer wasting time in it.

      Think about this? What is one of the most precious things you have? It is your time. And you waste how much of it in a stressful environment?

      Oh, about that year? I had a new boss that didn't "get" telecommuting. That ok, I didn't work on changing him, I worked on changing my job.

    2. Re:Move or Die by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right, a 90 minute commute each way is insane. This guys is wasting almost 20% of his waking life on travel, and after subtracting work that leaves live (assuming the NOC is not his life's passion). Work to live, not the other way around!

  73. Limit Calories by eegad · · Score: 1

    I've actually been doing a little bit of dieting over the past couple weeks because I want to trim off some pounds. I've been doing only calorie reduction without any real exercise. Using the free web site fatsecret.com, I log everything I eat and all my activity (which right now is sleeping and resting). My goal is to maintain a 500 calorie deficit each day, but some days I haven't even done that well. Nevertheless, I've lost 6 pounds in 2 weeks. Staples in my new low cal diet include: cottage cheese, fruit, Clif bars, yogurt, chicken. Make sure to get plenty of protein. Unfortunately, I do have a habit of eating out a lot, so I've done some research to determine which items I can order at some of my regular restaurants that fit into this goal.

    1. Re:Limit Calories by jbacon · · Score: 1

      Me too - found that place via the Android Market. They have a very excellent app for tracking all kinds of things - calories, exercise, and a huge searchable database of foods. So far, so good.

  74. A suggestion by tacokill · · Score: 1

    My first suggestion would be to make working out a priority. By that, I mean get into a mindframe where you will do whatever it takes to get a workout in each day. To the point that it is unacceptable to you if you don't. It has to be at least the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd most important thing to you each and every day. No exceptions.

    Once that happens, you will start getting creative about when and where you can work out. You'll be surprised how much time you can actually find once you put serious thought and effort to it.

    I travel a lot and I face many of the same problems you do. The first step to getting any kind of normal pattern going is to work out whenever and wherever you can and be flexible about how you work out. If it's a high priority, then it will pre-empt many many other things. That's OK. In fact, it's kind of the point. It's precisely what I mean by making it a priority -- it has to be important enough that you can't imagine not doing it.

    If it's a "choice" each day, then you won't be consistent and most likely, you won't make it a month. But if it's a non-optional thing for you, then I think you'll FIND a way to make it happen. Whether that means you jog to work each day or not....you'll find a way.

  75. Re: Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no mystery to weight loss. Turn in your geek card if you believe you spontaneously gain weight while eating less than your energy requirements.

    3500 kcal (aka Calories) above or below your your BMR + activity level corresponds to 1 pound gained or lost, respectively.

    If you're 30 years old and 5'10" at 200 pounds, with a sedentary lifestyle, then your BMR is about 2000 kcal/day, and your activity level brings that to about 2400 kcal/day. If you eat 100 kcal/day more, you'll gain a pound in about a month, but if you eat 100 kcal/day less (or just run 3.5 miles/week), then you'll lose a pound in a month. If you do light exercise a couple times/week, you'll probably burn about 2750kcal/day and lose 3 pounds/month.

    That feeling you get that you're "starving" yourself is a product of the fact that you've conditioned yourself to eat when you feel stressed. Learn to tell the difference in hunger and stress. Drink lots of water, take your vitamins, and get plenty of fiber. Focus on eating "filling" foods with little caloric value.

    I'll leave it as an exercise of geekdom for you to figure out the rest. You have to earn back your geek card, OP.

  76. On the hour every hour by evilkasper · · Score: 1

    When I worked shift, We'd do sit ups and push ups on the hour every hour. sometimes just for a few minutes each, and sometimes until failure. Sure if your in the middle of a crisis you can't do it, but its good for when you aren't. You can always bring a yoga mat if your floor is to dirty.

  77. "Unwinding time" by ZeroPly · · Score: 1

    The time you take to unwind when you get home is probably what would become your exercise time. Exercise IS unwinding for those of us who do it regularly.

    I worked a ridiculous schedule years back. My rule of thumb is - if you have time to brush your teeth, you have time to exercise. I was working 60 hours a week, and spending another 40 hours training for ultramarathon.

    My advice:

    1. Get rid of your TV. Don't turn it off - get it out of your house. It will change your perception of time and slow things down. Can't explain it any better.

    2. Keep a time journal. Every 15 minute chunk in your day needs to be accounted for. Why are you spending an hour each day getting ready to leave?

    3. Start managing time like money. Where can you cut 15 minutes out of your day?

    If this sounds drastic, it is. There's no magic pill solution to trying to work 12 hour days and living 1.5 hours from work.

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    Support microSD: in a post 9/11 world, it is unwise to carry your data on media that you cannot comfortably swallow.
  78. BJJ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Most cities have a few places around that teach it with schedules during the day and at night. Try a few hours at a time (as little as 1 or 2) a few days a week. It's great cardio.

  79. Run For Congress: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can make much more money with the kickbacks from
    the health care lobby.

    Send us an update after your election.

    Regards,
    Kilgore Trout

  80. Don't you wrestle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Between wresting with compilers' obscure error messages, documentation that doesn't document, project management that doesn't manage projects, customers that cuss, and all the other ills of the trade, my body is in great shape.

    I'm also former department champion of the self-hair-pull. Unfortunately I lost that title when I ran out of hair.

  81. several solutions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get one of the desk yoga books or desk workout books, there are excercises you can do that wont leave you all sweaty but get the heart and metabolism going. Eating healthy will be the key component. Less activity means you need to be more careful as to what you put in your body and the amount you put in as well. if you get the urge to snack then take a veggie or something or drink lots of water.

    when you wake up drink two glasses of cold water that alone will boost you metabolism by up to 30%. Working out before you go to bed is not prefered but is better then nothing. Make sure you get up and stretch every once in a while too, something as simple as stretching can keep your metabolism going.

    you really only need to do 15-30 minutes of cardio/resistance 3 times a week to maintain a good weight, assuming you arent eating 5 huge meals a day and packing in like a million calories ;)you can do it, just seek the advice of a nutritionist and trainer, not the slashdot crew.

    1. Re:several solutions by Faerunner · · Score: 1

      when you wake up drink two glasses of cold water that alone will boost you metabolism by up to 30%

      Yeah, it'll also add 10 minutes of exercise during your drive when you have to launch yourself out of the car to relieve your bladder!

  82. Find a new job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked IT for +10 years and for the first few it was awesome but eventually I got sick of having my life revolve around my job.

    I quit and got a job as a concrete form carpenter. Total blue collar working in the sun from 7am to 3pm stuff. Almost like something out of the movie office space.

    40 hours a week. A straight eight and out the door every day. Never work weekends, never get calls in the middle of the night. There is some physical stress involved but ZERO mental or emotional stress. I am healthier and happier than I have been in years.

    1. Re:Find a new job by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      Fucking-A.

  83. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work out quite a bit, but I mostly weight lift and lead an otherwise stationary lifestyle. Recently I have been walking to work which I am staying near work for a few months and its only about a 10 minute walk to work. I have actually been seeing improvments in my overall appearance about 2 months after just walking back and forth to work coupled with exercising in a gym. Try moving around more, also diet is about 80% of the equation. Its all a numbers game, you need to actually track what you eat and be aware of how many calories you are eating, a coke here and a handful of M&Ms there REALLY adds up. Diet soda is not much better either since it robs your body of nutrients it needs, and fills you up and then empties out quickly making you hungry and crave sweet things.
    Make a list and track everything you eat, if you really want to change the way you look you need to change your lifestyle and most people won't change the habit of eating poorly and not exercising. Its a multi sided problem that I think you can do, you just need to put some effort into it. Think of all the years you haven't worked out and all the junk food you have eaten it takes time to get rid of these things. Keep at it and stay focused. I wish you success.

  84. Mission Impossible? Not! by elnyka · · Score: 1

    So, how does somebody who works a minimum of 60 hours over 4 days, often adding another 12 another day, and sometimes working 7-10 days straight like this, stay in shape? I can't hold a workout schedule, (which every person I've talked to in my history says is necessary to stay in shape) and I can't 'wake up early' or 'work out before bed' because I need sleep. Any thoughts/opinions/suggestions?"

    Any thoughts/opinions/suggestions?"

    Yeah, don't be such a "oh it's so hard" EMO dude.

    Seriously. You can't hold onto a workout schedule? How about when you drive back home, you immediately put some shorts and a pair of tennis shoes and go for a 10 minute jog?

    You don't have energy for a 10-minute jog? How about a 10-minute brisk walk then? And how about setting a timer at work that rings every 30-60 minutes as a reminder to get off the chair and stretch (flexibility is part of being healthy, perhaps more so than being lean.)

    And on your free days, whichever free days you get, regardless of the the frequency, go jog some more, do some push ups. Even if it's only one day every two weeks, you sign up for a gym and you go.

    Better yet, find a gym close to work (and not close to your home). That way you forced yourself to work out even by a little after work (as opposed to drive 1.5 hours and be too tired as shit to work out when you get home.)

    Get a Billy Blank's Tae Bo DVD and do, say 15 minutes of it on your free day, then little by little increase that. Wake up 10 minutes early and do some jumping jacks and push ups.

    Yeah, yeah, I know, it's nowhere near to be an ideal workout schedule, but then again, there are people out there who can't study full time, but take one class at a time, and after twice or trice the amount of time, they get a master's degree. Which brings me to the following: how bad do you want it?

    Educate yourself about your eating habits, and work out whenever you can, even if it means just one set of push ups and 50 jumping jacks every time you wake up. At the very least it will provide you with the mental boost that you DID something.

    In general, long hours, commutes from hell, and a fucked up schedule is not a barrier to work out. Having children usually is. I KNOW BOTH. So, from the bottom of my heart I'm telling you to change your mentality - a mentality where you feel there is so much going on in your professional life that you cannot work out...

    ... because it's bull. Sorry, but it's true.

    Also, I'd say that you need to re-evaluate your working conditions at some point. I used to work like a fucking drone, and in the end, it's not fucking worth it. So you gotta do whatever it takes to get to a professional and financial point where you indeed, really and truly do not need to work like that. 50 hours top per week, anything else is just hamster-running-in-circle bullshit.

    People who work like that ALL THE TIME, specially those who do it on purpose to get some retarded executive career objective are just retarded slaves to the grind.

    Unless you have your own company which is struggling, or are a single parent or are a recent immigrant with a bunch of kids to support, you don't need to work like that. You should not. Get some balance in your professional life so that you can better take care of your self, physically, educationally, socially and emotionally.

    Good luck brother.

  85. methamphetamines... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    unless of course you have mandatory drug tests. If not, every person I've ever met that did meth was anorexic skinny.

  86. weekend warrior... to the rescue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if( !changeJobs() )
    {
            what works for me....
            you need to workout at least 3 times a week (at least i can say that for my body).. 1 hour - not more, not less (so you don't burn yourself out)..
            at the end of your workout you need to be exhausted.. or you're not working out hard enough.

            that said.. you have your weekends.. with a schedule like yours, you should NEVER miss a workout on the weekend.
            if you can regularly workout on both weekend days, that leaves you with just 1 day to workout during the week - which makes for a much more manageable goal.
    }

    goodluck.. and really you should change jobs. because, it must be reaking havock on your social life...

    1. Re:weekend warrior... to the rescue by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      Too much of a workout IMO - 'getting exhausted' doesn't actually help as much as you think - it just means you're exhausted. I've found this quite recently, when I finally figured out I'd been working out too hard - essentially doing 'sprint' exercise until I was exhausted, and not actually ending up doing much exercise.
      I've since switched to heart rate controlled exercise - got a heart rate monitor that lets me 'lock' an exercise zone, and starts beeping at me when I drift outside it. I then do about an hour in the 70-80% Max Heart Rate 'zone' - and it really is working very well indeed, because it's a workload that's sustainable, provides a good workout, and leaves you 'in trim' for the rest of the day.
      If I try and 'work really hard' at it (and I did, for the sake of comparison) the actual amount of exercise I ended up doing was much lower - because I'd burn off 'easy to release' calories - the sugars in my bloodstream - and then I'd end up exhausted. I'd then stop working out, and recover over the next few, by presumably releasing some fat reserves.
      Doing medium intensity workouts ... that doesn't happen - your body conserves your blood sugar, as it has time to utilise fat reserves instead (and thus the 'OMG RUN RIGHT NOW' reserves are still there for when a lion starts chasing you) - and you remain alert and active. But you still get a good workout.

  87. Round is a shape by Anon+E.+Muss · · Score: 1

    Staying in shape is easy. Round is a shape.

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    The key sequence to access my Slashdot bookmark in Firefox is Alt-B-S. I don't believe this is a coincidence.
  88. Take Breaks by leppi · · Score: 1

    I have found over my years that you will burn out if you don't take breaks. For me taking at least one break a day and devoting that break to walking is a great way to keep your metabolism functioning. Sure, you won't drain the calories by simply walking, but you will burn a few, and you will have the bonuses of keeping your legs moving and helping your mind clear itself and refocus.

    Combine that with the other suggestions about regular aerobic exercise (at least 3 times a week) and healthy lifetime eating habits (cut out all regularly consumed sugar drinks for one!!), and you will slowly see pounds drop.

    There is simply no other way to do this in a healthy manner... don't procrastinate start today! All those stupid motivational slogans are right. You have to be the one to take action for your life.

  89. Burn Extra Calories... by No-Cool-Nickname · · Score: 0

    ...making excuses.

    BTW Great start!

  90. 5 Factor Diet by charliezcc · · Score: 1

    I recently started doing the 5 factor diet. Very easy - all you have to do is eat high glycemic index foods (unprocessed, so no flour, sugar, etc) five times a day. Eat every 3 to 3.5 hours. Exercise 5 times a week for 25 minutes.

    The net effect of all of this is that your body's metabolism is set by what you eat. Call it optimizing your metabolism.

    My current plan is to put the following into plastic containers:
    2.5 ounces of chicken, either purchased or grilled, or whatever
    3/4 to 1 cup of steamed brown rice
    A few vegetables
    Some meals, I'll have a few cashews so I can have a little fat in my diet.

    I prepare them at most 5 days ahead of time and throw them in my refrigerator. In the morning I eat one (or prepare something more appetizing than chicken and rice but with equivalent nutrition). Three and a half hours later I eat another. Three hours later, another, and repeat and repeat. Five meals down, and I was NEVER starving during the day.

    I'll walk for 25 minutes when I get home from work. During work, I do a few exercises that require nothing but my body. Every other day I do a single set of lunges, pushups, situps, calve raises - all fairly simple. They all take less than a minute and I can feel the results very quickly.

    Once a week, on Saturday or Sunday, I eat whatever the heck I want. Cheat day. Then back at it again making my meals, packing them away, and getting ready for the work week. Never have to worry about what I'm eating next as long as it's prepared ahead of time!

    I'm losing a good amount of weight on this, and it's maintainable.

    5 factor diet or not, just remember to watch what you put into your body during the week and you'll do just fine. If that is too hardcore for you, try weight watchers or if you love crunching numbers, take a look at John Walker's (creator of AutoCad) website. He had the same problem at work. Took it upon himself to figure out the equations behind the weight. Worth a read at the least. http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/

  91. OP wants magic, not answers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is going to sound harsh because I'm sick to death of whiners like the OP who know god damned well what the solution to their problem is, but it's not easy enough to meet their level of motivation.

    There are 4 options available to you, and only 4.
    1. Find a job that lets you work humane hours. Keep in mind that by working those kinds of hours you're perpetuating the cycle not only for yourself, but those around and who come after you. Can't find a better job? Then there's something wrong with your resume, fix THAT. "This economy" is not an excuse as there are plenty of jobs waiting to be filled, "my skills and resume sucks" is the excuse you're looking for.

    2. Move closer to work. Don't pretend that's not an option. The real world sometimes is a pain in the ass, deal with it.

    3. Make time to exercise. Sleep less, watch less TV, etc. By my math a 4 day work week means 3 days to work out all freaking day long if you really cared about doing so. The fact that you can't/don't feel like working out before or after work doesn't explain the lack of exercise on the days you don't work. Hell, just throw out your desk chair and stand up during your shift...let me guess, you don't want to do THAT either?

    4. eat less. doesn't help the overall physical fitness but will reduce the weight gain. Yes, I know you're magical metabolism will produce weight gain by converting ambient sunlight to fat or whatever it is you think happens. Eat less you jackass, your body can't make fat from nothing...you have to eat the food first.

    I've been an IT professional for over 15 years, so yes I really to sympathize with this issue. I put on 40 lbs my first few years of IT. Now I run, 4 miles every day. It sucks, it takes a lot of time, and it's not easy. So cry me a river you p**sy.

    1. Re:OP wants magic, not answers. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are people so biased against whiners? It feels so good to whine and bitch about how things aren't easy.

  92. Having worked shift schedules before... by Moridineas · · Score: 1

    A lot of people gain weight. The ones who didn't were all very dedicated to staying in shapes. A few things I picked up that helped me out.

    -Don't just grab chipotle/mcdonalds/whatever takeout before your shift starts. Bring a salad and a sandwich, or other food you make at home. You get to control the portion before you are hungry, you can make it healthier, and you save money.

    -Take some breaks during the shift. Obviously this might not be possible depending on your job, but I used to go on about 1-2 mile walks during my night shifts at 3am. If you walk briskly you can easily do a mile in less than 20 minutes, so you don't even need that long a break.

    Even if you don't want to do something like that, I would sometimes just spend 5-10 minutes jogging up and down the 6 flights of stairs... just anything that gets your blood pumping and doesnt involve vegging out in a chair is a good thing.

    -Going back and forth between nights and days sucks and destroys your energy and your body. Stay on one schedule as long as possible. For better sleeping I got addicted to earplugs and an eyemask. Good sleep (and ENOUGH sleep) makes a big difference.

    -Lastly, and this is the part that sucks the most and I could never manage...I knew people who after 13 hours on shift would go to the gym and jog for 45 minutes, do some light workouts, etc. I never felt motivated enough to do that, but all those people were in good shape!

    I absolutely loved shift work and night shifts, but it DOES take a toll on your body and mind (which is why I stopped that job).

  93. 10 minute trainer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:10 minute trainer by iso-cop · · Score: 1

      I have been using P90X from the same company and it is very good. P90X wants 60-90 minutes a day but the 10 minute trainer sounds more like what the poster wants to fight off weight gain.

  94. Lot's of good advice... by Khue · · Score: 1

    There's a ton of good advice in this thread surprisingly. Hershal Walker was one of the most ripped guys in the NFL for a long time. People were scared of this guy because of his fitness. He ate nothing but garbage too. I read an ESPN the Mag article that said he basically got ripped from sitting around watching tv (soap operas) for like 8 hours a day and doing nothing but pushups and sit ups during commercial breaks. So obviously it doesn't take much. I work about 60-70 hours a week in IT spread over a 5-7 day work week. In light of the responsibilities that I have and the demand of the job, I asked management if I could have an extended lunch break 3 days a week. They agreed and 3 days a week I take an hour and a half lunch break and go to the gym. I feel that this was a very fair compromise for both the company and myself. Me staying healthy means less sick days and less medical problems therefore lowering my medical expenses and raising my reliability. Just bounce it off your supervisor/manager/HR departments head and see what they think. It doesn't hurt to ask at all. Sell it to them as an investment in a valuable resource (you).

  95. Have you considered moving? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work a similar situation to yours, with one important difference: I live 15 minutes from my office.

    When my commute hit one hour, I found a location that was still convenient to friends and such, but a closer commute to work (in fact, it's a counter-flow commute, which is pretty nice). Thus, I'm only "work" for about 13.5 hours a day on work days, which allows me time to eat, unwind, exercise, shower and get to bed and still get my sleep.

  96. Self powered work station by aitala · · Score: 3, Funny

    Bicycle + generator + power cables + workstation = full shift work out...

    Eric

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  97. I'd quit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh wait a minute, I had a job like that once, and I did quit!

  98. Worked same job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked 6PM to 6AM doing Mainframe Operations for several years. If something went wrong over the night, I would have to stay until both my manager came in and for the 8AM conference call, making for a very long day. Add in that I had a 45-60 minute commute, and I was in the same boat as you. IF you have the option, move closer. For family reasons, I did not have that option.

    The money was extremely good for me, and it's what kept me going for so long, WITH overtime, I was making in the low six-digits and since I worked nights I never had a chance to spend my money. I used the money to set up a CD ladder (12, 12-month CD's), and I built on to them until I was tired of putting up with the work. If you aren't making enough money from this position, look for another job.

    I loved working the night shift. I was always going the opposite way of traffic, and sleeping all day was something I loved. If you hate these house, find another job with better hours.

    After I gained weight, I wanted to lose it so I could fit into my clothes again. I had a favorite pair of khaki pants, and when I went to wear them after a several month hiatus, I popped the button off. That made me serious about losing weight. Cut your calorie intake. NEVER eat fast food, if it's the only thing available, go hungry (drink water or straight black coffee to help with hunger pains). Buy fresh fruit from a grocery store and eat that.

    Find a secluded area (I know I was self conscious), and do squats, slowly, look online for the correct way. Form is better than amount.
    Also use that area for pushups, and situps. Make a map you can do for a walk (if available, not everywhere has this option).

    If your routine is interrupted, CUT THE CALORIES. If you don't get a chance to walk or do the squats, don't eat. You might hate the answer, eat less, but that's the one. If someone puts pizza in front of you, or hands you junk food, throw it in the trash without thinking about it. They will stop taunting you with food eventually, and you will be hungry and thin.

    That's what worked for me, and I feel I was in an extremely similar situation. I left that job over 3 years ago, I make less money, but I work a day shift for only forty hours. Remember the CD ladder I wrote earlier? The monthly yield from my CD ladder paid off my car and is now working on my mortgage.

  99. That and More by Kneo24 · · Score: 1

    What kind of miracle solution do you want? Its easy...

    For a given workday, after N hours work and M hours sleep, is anything left? if yes, make the decision to work out or to fuck off. If not, then wait for your days off and work out hard. Also decrease caloric intake.

    There is no other solution (aside from changing work schedule).

    This.

    I will first tell you to stop being a lazy fuck and use google to find the information you need. You can't tell me you're working every minute you're at work. And what about your "unwind" time at home?

    Now obviously that isn't going to help you too much since you are lazy and you wanted this handed to you. Here's some real helpful advice:

    First find out why your metabolic rate is the way it is. Thyroid problem could be possible.

    Obviously muscle will burn more energy than fat. This is a given. However weight training might not be too much of an option for you. There are foods you can eat to boost this. I've read that spicy food in particular does this (but the source never mentioned why). I assume it's because of the acidic content of spicy food. It probably helps to break down what you've eaten faster. If you're a fan of spicy things, this is good. Just don't go around giving oral. Your partner may nott like their parts feeling like burning.

    Drastically change your diet. You don't necessarily need to go on something specific like low carbs, and even then diets like that are just to start you out. You can find calorie counters on the internet that will ask for your gender, height, weight, and general physical lifestyle (you would be sedentary). From that, they will calculate the approximate amount of calories you will need to sustain that weight, and then recommend a caloric intake to lose weight. Usually a safe bet is 400 to 500 calories less if you are overweight.

    Those two pieces of advice are obvious ones, and big ones. Changing what you eat can't be too hard. Don't like certain foods? Too bad. Don't be a bitch and suck it up. Learn to like those foods that are healthier.

    Whatever you decide to do, it's going to be a lifestyle change. If dieting will be your answer, well, it's hard at first, but once you stick with it for a decent amount of time you'll feel better. Honestly though, you need to decrease the amount of hours you work anyway. People are significantly less productive after 8, and more so after 10. You could also choose to move closer to your work. You never said why this wasn't possible.

    1. Re:That and More by Faerunner · · Score: 1

      You don't need to DRASTICALLY change anything. One thing I have found in a decade of trying to change various things is that diving into the deep end unprepared inevitably causes failure. There are few people who can drop into any situation and magically conform to it (and stick to it) while the rest of the world sits back and watches. You either get your buddies to dive in with you, for motivation, or you do it slowly by yourself. The biggest change I would suggest is to quit drinking pop/soda/flavored water, along with getting up and moving around every once in a while (or using your breaks for light exercise). Drop iced tea, unless you make it yourself. Drop juice. Drink water. When you want flavor, add some lemon or make tea with a small amount of sugar. You can get fruit teas or mint teas that are perfectly drinkable without sweetening and are fine iced as well. Even some lighter green teas aren't as bitter and will be tolerable with low sugar content. Doing this is infinitely better for you than many other dietary changes, is easier to start and will have an immediate effect on your health. Buy a water bottle, find a way to carry it everywhere, make a mental note to remember it for a few weeks and it will be come habit. And while dropping sugar from your drinks seems like a tiny step, it's impressive how many calories are added to your diet via liquids. I can also guarantee you'll find that in a few weeks, sugary drinks will taste too sweet and you won't crave them often, which may also decrease your craving for sugary foods. If dropping sugary liquids and getting more active doesn't make a dent, see your doctor to figure out a stricter diet/exercise plan.

    2. Re:That and More by Kneo24 · · Score: 1

      I'm not going to fully disagree with anything you're saying, mainly because it's all good advice. Still, I think for a lot of people out there, changing their routine to even that slight extent will be a drastic change to them. A lot of people in this guy's situation get so stuck in a rut that they don't know what to do and are desperate for anything. Once you've reached that point, everything looks extreme. Only in hindsight does it appear to be simple.

    3. Re:That and More by Faerunner · · Score: 1

      You make a good point. Still, better one change at a time than many, and drinking less pop has been the single dietary change I've always held onto when other ones have failed, so I hope that my experience holds true for others. Naturally, it's anecdotal... either way, good luck, OP!

  100. Wrong Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a new career. Work shouldn't be your life.

  101. Get a new job or schedule. And move. by jtownatpunk.net · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Allowing an hour for lunch, you're describing a schedule that's 44 hours per week minimum. Even in the US, full time is 40 hours per week. If you're working a 4 day week, the standard is TEN (10) hours per day, not 12. And you claim you sometimes work a week or longer on this schedule without a break? Your salary had better be well into 6 figures to put up with that kind of crap.

    Second, why the hell do you live 1.5 hours away from work after 7 months? That's absolutely insane. MOVE! I could understand waiting a month or two to see how things go or even until a 90 day probationary period is over but 7 months?

    You're getting fucked. Right in the ass. With no lube. And, as long as you continue to grab your ankles and grit your teeth, you'll continue to get fucked. Stop it.

  102. A possible solution: the 28 hour day by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've know people who worked 28 or 32 hour "days". That is you just treat 28 hours as you circadian rythm. it means your sleep/wake schedule drifts from the day/night cycle, but it still overlaps it so you can have productive interactions with regular humans. IN your case since you claim you are working all the time, it's obviously not a big deal if you don't perfectly sync with others socially.

    if you go to that cycle then you will now have 4 or 8 extra hours of wake time in which you can exsercize. you are actually awake slightly more of the time so it's a net gain for waking activity.

    people I've know who did this find it sustainable for an entire year.

    if you are really productive working 15 hours a day then you probably are a candidate for this regimen.

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    1. Re:A possible solution: the 28 hour day by Niris · · Score: 0, Redundant

      http://xkcd.com/320/

      reminds me of this, heh

    2. Re:A possible solution: the 28 hour day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've done this for months at a time, works great.

      But it's not a fit for that schedule; 15-hour stretches at 28 or 32 hour intervals works fine, but 15-hour stretches at 24 hour intervals forces you to accept a 24-hour day.

  103. prioritize, enlist help, adjust lifestyle, use $ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like you indeed need to consider both your priorities and your resources. I have had a similar experience over many years, but due to my high metabolism my symptoms had more to do with back and neck pain and a distended stomach. Now I feel much better after following much of the advice here.

    Ask yourself:
    Do you need or want this job? How much money can/will you spend to improve the situation? Are you willing to enlist friends/others to help?

    Specific ideas:
    * Blog/twitter to all your friends that you are changing your lifestyle significantly to become healthier; ask for their support and to hold you accountable
    * Visit a doctor for ~$25 to generate ideas
    * Visit a personal trainer for ~$100 to generate additional ideas
    * Do a cardiovascular workout during lunch at your company or close-by gym or hotel; arrange for showers in remote location if necessary; working out will decrease the amount of sleep and food you crave/desire
    * Get a core exercise ball for ~$8 and sit 10-20 minutes of every hour on it at work:
        http://exercise.about.com/cs/abs/l/bl_core.htm
    * Or upgrade to a Swopper office chair for ~$800:
        http://www.relaxtheback.com/wheeled-swopper-office-chair-product-6390350-6389773
    * Increase raw green vegetables, lean meat, tofu/beans, non-wheat whole grains, raw fruit
    * Eliminate/reduce sugar/fructose in all forms, fried food, caffeine, aspartame, soda, refined flour, wheat, spicy food, tomatoes, juice, citrus, ibuprofen and other drugs
    * Take a food allergy test for ~$500; this alone may completely solve your weight problem
    * Take a thyroid test; this also affects metabolism

  104. Don't snack and ride a motorcycle. by duanes1967 · · Score: 1

    1. Don't snack. Just keep track for a few days.... 1000+ calories is really easy. 2. Move closer. Dude - An hour and a half. That's two gym workouts a day. 3. Get a sport motorcycle. Three hours a day in the "front leaning rest" will burn energy. 4. Did I mention - moving closer. Fuel must cost a fortune. Finally, Quit and pimp your skill frelance via VOIP and LogMeIn for about 20 hours a week and make the same money.

  105. Get another job by spectro · · Score: 1

    That's no way to live, the fact you ask this over here means deep inside you already know the answer is to get another job.

    I rather get paid less (as long as it is enough) in exchange for free time to live life.

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  106. How about biking a portion... by nettamere · · Score: 1

    How about biking a portion of your commute to and from work? Put a bike rack on your car and drive all but the last 5 miles, find a good place to leave your car (parking garage maybe?). Bike the last three miles into work. Reverse the process going home and you have 2 good work outs each day. Depending on the terrain (hills, highways, and so forth) you might need to adjust the actual route you take. At the most, this should cost you about 1 hour (avg 15-18 mph plus set up time). With that being said- I'm all about working with the circumstances to produce the best outcome..... but none of this will matter if your job requirement (not weight) kill you first. After all - sleepy drivers and/or people who routinely cope with high stress levels have a very high mortality rate.

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  107. Some ideas by assertation · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't take any time to simply not overeat.

    Overeating is taking in more calories than you burn. The guy who created the company AutoDesk made this great free e-book ( he sells nothing ) for geeks to control their weight that way. It is called the Hacker's Diet:

    http://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/

    I have a fuel efficient system too. I used the Hacker's Diet to take off 48 lbs and I have kept most of it off for several years.

    Maybe you can combine managing your calories with a brisk walk or a run for 30 minutes everyday on meal break?

    Off the bat, learn to drink water, diet soda, plain tea or plain coffee while you are at work. Regular soda, tea & coffee condiments, juice, milk and sweet drinks can easily pack on weight. It only takes an extra 250 calories a day ( typical of most drinks ) to put on 52 pounds a year. Most of those other drinks easily have that many calories.

    Good Luck

  108. Get a different job ASAP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a different job ASAP. I used to work for EA and had the same problem. If you are health conscious you'll start to notice undesirable changes to you other than just simple weight gain and loss. In my opinion no amount of money is worth your health.

  109. Watch your diet by steveha · · Score: 1

    I haven't been in a situation quite as extreme as yours, but I was in a long-hours and high-stress job with a long commute last year. My only workout was bicycling long miles on weekends. I held my weight steady, until at the end the craziness hit its peak and I put on ten pounds in two months. (And I don't mean ten pounds of muscle.)

    Like other posters, I urge you to change something if you can. Get a better job, move closer, something. What you are doing is crazy. If the pay is golden, do it for a while. If it is a stepping stone to something better, make sure you actually get there; don't burn yourself out forever waiting for an opportunity that isn't coming.

    All that said, if you must do this, be sure to eat a healthy diet. It's a pain, but you probably need to bring your own food, so you know what you are eating. You need to eat lots of protein, and high-quality carbs (not white flour, white sugar, white rice...).

    A book called Burn the Fat, Feed the Muscle is my bible for this stuff. It's sold as a PDF over the Internet; see the web site for details. Here's an old Slashdot posting where I summarize the ideas of the book.

    That book tells you how to measure your body fat percentage, then use that information to calculate how many calories you should eat of what foods. One of his testimonials is from someone who said he is paralyzed and cannot exercise; by following the diet recommendations of the book, he was able to lose some body fat and improve his health.

    By the way, I changed jobs and I now am in a lower-stress job. I still bicycle on weekends but now I'm working out at a gym two nights a week; and I've lost all the extra weight I put on in my previous job. I can tell you: it's easier to keep it off than to lose it again after you gain it. If your job is making you fat, that is a very good reason to get a different one.

    steveha

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  110. Starving yourself huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I willing to bet that your idea of "staving yourself" is what I call a healthy diet.

    Don't get me wrong, I know people have different metabolisms and it can be a struggle eat right. It's important to not only eat the right amount but also the right kind of food because it can be different for everyone. But still, whenever I see the excuse "I can't do it without starving myself" I get highly suspicious about how much they are actually consuming.

    1. Re:Starving yourself huh? by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      Hmm, I know where you're coming from - I tried cutting back what I was eating to around 2000 kcal/day, but found I was always really hungry, and 'suffering' wearyness as a result.
      Even 2500 seemed rather 'poor fare' as a rule - (that would probably have still lost me weight, given how overweight I was).
      Switching to fruit and nuts as primary diet elements has served me well - I find I rather like melon, bananas and a few others, and so I take those into work. My breakfast is a muesli bar and a banana. My lunch... sometimes involves a can of tuna (and 'goop') but more often is melon, banana and nuts. My evening meal is somewhat nearer my 'normal' habits, but ... as I'm not actually particularly hungry, I end up eating fairly light meaty/fatty/carbohydratey goodness.
      And so I'm actaully at a point where I'm in danger of _under_ eating (did actually start suffering mouth ulcers because of this), and I'm quite comfortable on 1800-2000kcal/day. Which leaves me 'room' for _a_ beer in the evening (nights out drinking still blow my allowance, but whatever - once in a while ;p)
      And it's left me feeling much more 'full of life' - I'm not feeling hungy and tired all day, and exhausted when I get home. It's therefore been way easier to get to the gym on a daily basis, and that in turn has meant I'm sleeping better.
      What frustrates me the most is it's actually quite easy, but the sheer amount of money involved in 'Secrets of being Slim' means a lot of rumours and fads skew the signal to noise ratio horrifically.

  111. Have your thyroid checked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have your thyroid checked. You want a TSH level of 1.0 or lower.

    1. Re:Have your thyroid checked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have your thyroid checked. You want a TSH level of 1.0 or lower.

      I don't the the OP is complaining of hypothyroid activity. If anything, he probably wants to get a friendly doctor to give him a prescription for thyroid hormones to boost his metabolism. Or buy it from one of those internet pharmacies.. are they trustworthy??

  112. Riding to work and back, I do it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you live less than about 20 miles from work, you could begin riding a bike to work and back. It will take about an hour to an hour and a half to cover 20 miles (in a fairly flat part of the country, after about 2 weeks, you should be able to hold about 15mph average). If you make good money, you can easily cover the $800 for a good "commuter" bike. Look at trek, cannondale, specialized, masi, or felt bikes. You will trim down in no time and feel a lot better about yourself physically and emotionally. Of course, this doesn't help if you live where it snows, but in the winter you can stay in shape other ways like running on a tread-mill at home or in a gym 3 days a week, that will get you thru the winter.

  113. Count Calories. by GrifterCC · · Score: 1

    Caveat: Your question was essentially time- management-themed. This answer is slightly off-topic: Assuming you just can't drag yourself out there to burn off calories, attack the problem from the other direction.

    You're on slashdot. You must have at least some hacker mentality. Take the rules you're stuck with and work around them.

    1. No time to exercise
    2. Your body needs x calories per day to maintain its weight
    3. If you eat more than x, you gain weight
    4. If you eat less than x, you lose weight

    Go to http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/l/blcalcalc.htm and punch in your stats as "sedentary". The resulting number is your target. Keep a spreadsheet where you track all of the calories you consume. (Get this data from the label or from restaurant Web sites.) Consume fewer than x, or at least no more than x.

    You'll be surprised how many calories there are in the foods you eat. Some macro tips:

    1. Lots of soluble fiber--makes you feel fuller longer

    2. Diet soda only--for obvious reasons

    3. Reduce sugar overall--your body's insulin response to sugar can make you feel hungry even when you're not

    4. Drink lots of water--makes you feel fuller longer

    I have had several jobs with hours that left me too tired or busy to exercise. This method has always worked for me. There are also online calculators to determine how many calories you burned by exercising for x minutes, so factor that into your equilibrium point if you do manage to work out.

    1. Re:Count Calories. by Faerunner · · Score: 1

      Fuck Diet Soda.

      It still has sweetener and despite a lower calorie count it will not help you lose weight. I am one of the people who can actually taste the aspartame in diet drinks so I have high incentive to stay away from them anyway, but tbqh I can't see how anyone honestly believes the insinuations that just because you're taking in fewer calories in a cup of diet soda means you'll suddenly drop the pounds. You're still taking in sweeteners and you're still replacing part of your (limited, if you're on a diet) caloric intake with liquids that will neither keep you full nor improve your nutrient balance. I have never seen a single person, nor heard a single anecdote from anyone who lost weight by switching from Pepsi to Diet Pepsi. If you aren't going to drink soda, don't drink diet soda either. Cutting the sweetener out of your diet entirely will do much more for you than cutting it by whatever small percentage the diet sodas contain in relation to their heavier cousins.

      As I suggested above, drop sugary drinks entirely. Fruit juice and other 'healthy' sweet drinks are ok - everything in moderation, of course. Focus on water, though, and your body will thank you for it with clearer skin as well as weight loss.

  114. If Jason Bourne can... by tsnorquist · · Score: 1

    If Jason Bourne can do pull ups on a fishing boat at sea, I'm sure you can do push ups or sit ups in the hall.

    Eat 6 times a day in small volumes to increase your metabolism.

    Get an exercise bike and mount a laptop to it to workout while working. You couldn't even geek it out to power the laptop with a DC converter.

    Your nerd card has been revoked for lack of imagination.

  115. It can't go on endlessly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't envy you. The amount you work isn't healthy and will lead to health problems and/or burnout.

    If they're paying you good for all this, move closer. If not look for a different job.

    In the meantime. Use your breaks and mealtimes to fit in excersize. Walk up and down steps.
    Kick (juggle) a soccer ball or hacky-sack around. Take a long walk. Keep a couple barbells at work.
    Any muscle mass will help burn calories. Get a slip-n-slide for home. It cools you quickly, is fun, and can really burn calories.
    Try finding a healthclub near where you work and go there right before or after you work.

  116. One more thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your company was nicknamed "Big Blue", move your e-mail to public, I'll let you know who I am and really make you mad.

  117. easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    easy.... sell your car and buy a bicycle

  118. Wii Fit by dark_requiem · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously, I bought this thing when it first came out, and I lost 20 pounds in a couple months. I know it seems silly to think that such a non-game will hold your attention and keep you working out, but if you have a desire to work out and lose weight, it will help. If you don't really have an interest in working out, it probably won't hold your attention long. But if you do, it will teach you some basic workouts, and the videogame-esque style may give you that extra ambition to get to it.

    1. Re:Wii Fit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've had one for 2 weeks and am enjoying it. It shows immediate weight loss but the question will be whether or not it is sustained. The exercises and games are fun and do get the body warmed up. You get more exercises as you advance through it. My current favorites are the rhythm boxing and the various skiing games.

      I think the biggest factor is that I am more aware of what I eat at the moment so it's giving me motivation to not snack and not over-eat. I already cycle and do karate and used to do yoga. The Wii Fit does cover muscle groups I don't normally work in other ways including the deeper balance games. It does place a lot of emphasis on balance though.

  119. Easy way by Tiro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The easiest way to avoid gaining fat is to decrease insulin production by avoiding carbs; no bread, pasta, or sugars other than those naturally occurring in fruits and vegetables. Then, eat more legumes and greens.

  120. No calories out? Then limit calories in... by asr_man · · Score: 1

    I'm going to assume you won't change your job or location to create more time in your life to actually do the exercise your body needs.

    The next best thing you can do is tune your eating habits. Because you're fighting calories in/out imbalance, and you have no tools to improve the "out" part, you must focus on the "in" part:

    * Don't buy calorie-dense foods. Slowly wean yourself completely off cookies, cake, desserts. If they're around, you'll eat them.

    * Start shitfing towards a more "vegetarianish" diet. If you eat out, make sure it's a salad, bean salad, tofu dish, stir-fry veggies. Learn to skip the meat and load up on the fiber.

    * Replace those 300-calorie Coolatas with a mug of low-fat low-sodium chicken broth. Broth really does kill the hunger pangs and has close to zero calories (30 calories in a 48-oz can).

    If you want to avoid buying ever-larger clothes, you're going to have to re-tune your eating habits for the reality you've put yourself into. But you can do it -- it's all about being consious and making choices. Do it one little step at a time, and keep doing it.

    Good luck!

  121. Re: Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    "3500 kcal (aka Calories)..."

    AKA a dietary calorie = kilo calories; that is, 3500 kcal = 3500E3 calories.

  122. The solution is simple by b0ttle · · Score: 1

    Find another job. Slavery and staying in shape doesn't go together, unless you're in some manual labor kind of slavering.

  123. You can work it in... by spock_iii · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've been in your shoes...even made it to 300lbs before I made some changes. [1] Eat small to medium size meals 6 times a day. It's not about quantity of a single feeding, but quality of what you eat and how often you eat. Split food into groups - protein, carbs, fats, vegetables. One serving of each at every meal, 6 times a day. (About every 3 hours.) Just get in the habbit of slaming it down at your desk during those 10 minute slash dot breaks. [2] Buy an adjustable bench. Not a bench/rack/whatever combo, just a padded bench. You should be able to adjust the bench to lay flat, and to 45 degrees up. If it can do 90 degrees up, better, but not necessary. This should cost about $100. [3] Get you a decent set of adjustable dumbells that allow you to dial up a weight with slip on, slip off plates. A good set will run about $400 - $500 dollars but is well worth it. It should allow weights between 10 and 60 lbs or so. [4] Buy a $30 book on weight training to learn good technique. The Schwartzeneger encylopedia is a good one. [5] At this point, you've spent about $600, less than a yearly gym membership and have something that fits in your place, even if it's a 1 room flat. You can work out on your terms. [6] Work out 3 to 4 times a week for 45 minutes. No more, no less. You should do 15 - 20 sets of a variety of exercises with 30 seconds to 2 minutes rest between sets. [7] You can do flys, pullovers, presses, and abs from the bench. You can have dumbells in hand and step from the floor to the bench to work legs, or dumbel between feet and extend. If you do this - only asking for a 2.5 hour comittment per week here - you will be exercising effectively and go through some amazing changes. Me? I lost 100lbs and now do inclined benches at over 315 lbs. The personal trainers ask me for help.

  124. DaWhoLagn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't starve yourself. That will further slow down your metabolism. The key is to pack lots & lots of healthy small snacks and snack throughout your shift. I lost 42 punds in 8 months that way. I also pace a lot while on the phone.

    My typical snack items include cheese sticks, yogurt, granola bars, fresh fruits, fruits cups, pre-cut veggies, 1 cup of mixed nuts etc, small salads, turkey or ham sandwiches etc.

    If you keep your metabolism burning food it won't have a chance to slow down or go into starvation mode. Eat light but eat often and bee sure to drink lots of water.

    Another trick is after you drink a cup of hot coffee is to slam a glass of very cold water. Your body can't process any of it until it becomes body temp. You'll remain full longer.

  125. Waaay too much. by zippthorne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    With the schedule he's laid out, he barely has enough time to sleep. By my count, he's got just one hour a day to prepare meals, read a book, date...

    You're going to get fat and lonely with a schedule like that, and the loneliness is only going to make you fatter as you try to fill the void with food, and the kind of food you'll have access to with only an hour to prepare and eat is not going to be very slimming, even if you use peapod.

    If he can't change the 12-hour days, at least get a small apartment near the business, or even on premises. I guarantee that a company of any decent size is going to have an executive apartment somewhere that goes mostly unused. Even if he has to clear out half the time, that's still saving three hours of commute on every evening he can avoid going home. That's three hours you could be cooking, relaxing, working out, working out with a partner, keeping up on professional development, getting drunk, learning to sing... the list is literally endless.

    Check the classified ads, also. Sometimes people are looking to rent a room, and the price is therefore pretty good (well, crappy for the sq. footage, but fine for "a place to get some sack time") They'll love you, because you won't even be around half the time, let alone making noise or commotion. Obviously, you need to be careful there, but it's not like you just start renting without even meeting the people first.

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    1. Re:Waaay too much. by that+IT+girl · · Score: 1

      Exactly. This is an example of living to work, not working to live... it's miserable, it doesn't make for a life worth living at all.

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  126. It's obvious, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry to say it again, but get a different job.

    This kind of schedule isn't only preventing you from staying in shape but will eventually kill you. You need to live in moderation.

    I've been working in IT for 9 years and working out for the past 7. On my concerns on every job I've taken is what is the work/life balance.

    From my experience there is not workout/diet program that can work with the schedule save for the combo of steroids and Dexedrine.

  127. exercise is only part of it. by DragonTHC · · Score: 1

    you should start your day with light exercise after you've eaten breakfast. you should also take a good isotonic vitamin supplement with B-complex.
    breakfast should be a whole complex carb like oatmeal. you should eat this within 30 minutes of waking up.
    eat a mid-morning snack like an apple.
    lunch should be 2 parts vegetables to 1 part meat and one part healthy complex carb like a whole sweet potato.
    mid-afternoon snack should be vegetables or healthy whole fruit.
    dinner should be light with more vegetables than meat or carbs.

    try to wean yourself off caffeine over a week. with this type of diet, you shouldn't need caffeine. I don't mean diet as in starving yourself, I mean diet as in what you eat every day.

    You should also really pay attention to your body more. Mind your body while you're eating and listen to it. When you feel satisfied, NOT FULL, satisfied, stop eating.

    A lot of us feel tired and crappy because we're not eating the right types of food or too little or too much.

    Within a few weeks, your digestive system should start working better for you and you'll feel more energy. If you continue to choose better at meal and snack times, you will automagically lose weight until your body finds equilibrium. But the benefits aren't weight loss or your figure. The benefits are health and energy.

    The less processed your food is, the better. That means it should be fresh or frozen, not boxed or canned. As a rule, try to avoid the aisles in a supermarket, try to stick to the outer ring. When you eat like this every day, you are going to be truly amazed at the level of energy you start to have. The trick is eating meals and snacks. Your metabolism will speed up and you will start using the energy in your food instead of storing it. As a rule, avoid simple carbs, high sugar foods, and anything with corn syrup.

    Fruits are the exception. Bananas are the perfect accompaniment to breakfast, and apples with the skin are the perfect snack because they take more energy to digest than they contain.

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  128. Diet and do easy exercises. by darkmeridian · · Score: 1

    The most important part to keeping fit is to eat healthily. The less you eat, the less fat you have to burn off later. Stick with whole grains, fresh fruit, and eat a lot of vegetables. Stick with water instead of juices and sodas. Don't smoke or drink too often.

    Try to do exercises that do not require a gym membership. During downtime, do push ups and sit ups at work. Buy a bench and some weights for home. Do lunges, squats, and bench presses. Buy a jump rope. You'd be surprised how exhausting ten minutes of jumping rope can be. If you can't spare 45 minutes twice a week to work out, then you're not prioritizing your health enough.

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  129. Listen to the voice of wisdom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you go down this path, working jobs like this, you might find happiness, but odds are that you won't. You will end up with poor mental as well as physical health. You will have no friends, your family relationships will become distant, and after 10 years and X kids your wife will tell you she doesn't love you any more (and you may realize you don't love her either). What's more you may be too depressed to really care.

    You can additionally draw the unlucky straw of a bad health problem (either induced by your lifestyle or just plain bad luck, genetic or otherwise). You may find you won't ever be the same again, you can never get your youth back and your life will have been wasted so far. Sure you'll maybe make some changes and get back to a semblance of a healthy lifestyle, but even so you can't get back all the things you lost and suffer extreme difficulty in the meantime.

    I'm painting a pretty bleak picture here. Some of it may never apply to you, you may never marry for example, or even be a playboy and be happy with that. Regardless, your well being will suffer.

    Making a lot of money isn't really an objective in and of itself. There usually isn't a sacrifice now for an easy life later (not to the level you've described, obviously sacrificing a bit for things like school is a smart move in many cases). Everyone I know who's ever tried that, even bright, intelligent folks, has failed and been worse off for it. Don't fall into that trap, get another job.

    I'm telling you, it's 100 times harder to fix it after you've let it happen, stop now.

  130. Re:Walk + simple things that take little time by gosand · · Score: 1

    I'll add to that - drink lots of water. Not only is it good for your system, but you have to walk to take more bathroom breaks.

    Good food - make smart choices, and E a t S l o w l y

    Do simple, quick exercises throughout the day that will burn some extra calories...
    - drop and do 10 pushups. Once those get easy, increase to 20, or do them slow/fast/hold.
    - do 10 squats. Increase to 20, or hold them when you get better.
    - stretch. It'll warm your body up.
    - get some grippers, or stress ball. I would *HIGHLY* recommend the Captains of Crush grippers from IronMind. I have the trainer, #1, and #2. They have since come out with weaker ones than the trainer, but they are all great.

    Will all of this replace a good 30-60 minute workout in a gym? Not at all. But it is better than doing nothing.

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  131. EAT LESS by erroneus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Jesus Christ. And I definitely have the problem too so I am not pointing fingers at "everyone else but me." It is HARD to eat less, especially as you get older. I used to shut down pizza buffet restaurants in my 20s. But when I hit my 30s, things started to change and I should have paid closer attention but the change was gradual. So while I continued to eat the amounts and types of foods I was accustomed to, my body was changing the way it handles things.

    Initially I compensated by placing a weight bench next to my bed. Every morning after waking up, I would almost literally roll over onto the bench and start doing reps. The results were good. Not only did I wake up better getting the heart moving and being more alert, but immediately following that, I took my morning shower and was fresh as anything without any serious interruption of my morning schedule. That didn't last long after I got married. A weight bench in the bedroom did not go over well. But let's face it; if it wasn't for being convenient, I NEVER would have done it in the first place.

    So now, I simply make a concerted effort to eat LESS. And believe me, it is HARD. For those who know what "Whataburger" is, who could say no to a double-double with bacon? NOT ME!! That is a hard habit to break let me tell you. But my body reminds me a lot lately when I am overeating -- I get FULL and uncomfortable... but that is only because I am actually making the effort to eat less and my stomach has literally shrunk allowing less food at any one time.

    Changing habits is a really hard thing to do, especially when it's something as pleasurable as food. But that's what it means to be human -- smart enough to know better. Just make the effort to eat less. Just do it.

  132. Your body by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much the same job as you, about the same commute.

    I work out about 3 times or so a week.
    Exercise changes depending on the weather, the access to sporting goods (bike, Rollerblades, long board etc.) and my mood. i use the Gym very seldom.
    Heavy exercise for shorter period of time. ( I make it longer, what i consider "ME" time)

    You can also work out while you are seating at work. (contraction and relaxation techniques are quite easy to do, and no one can see what you are doing)
    Make a conscious effort to seat properly.
    DON'T eat junk food, and drink water NOT Soda.
    Have a breakfast in the morning. (not big)
    And take a late lunch.
    You can eat anything, But eat it slowly, take your time and enjoy the flavors, condiments, sauces, etc.
    Your body takes about 15 minutes to tell you it had enough food, if you eat the hole plate in that amount of time, you are just making your stomach bigger.

    The most important part is "Listen to your body", it is not going to send you an email, or a text message, you have to take time and do what it tells you, otherwise you are wasting your time.

    This works for me, but i have been doing it for years, and this is what my body told me works for it.
    You may need to make some changes to make what works for me, work for you.

    have fun.

    Geekangel

     

  133. Get another job by tsotha · · Score: 1

    Get another job. That's not facetious, either. There isn't any amount of money that's worth doing what you're doing to your body, and by the time you realize what you're giving up it will be too late to do anything about it. I assume you're still young enough that you don't feel it yet, but with that kind of schedule you're looking at hypertension in your 30s and heart disease by your mid 40s.

  134. Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a bike, a wheel generator and connect a few racks to the generator. You provide the motive power. Heck, if you get really fit, you could feed energy into the grid and PROFIT!!!!!!!

  135. Fit in mini-workouts by truparad0x · · Score: 2, Informative

    As someone who has worked in a stressful job with little free time, I understand how hard it can be to stay in shape. While I am in a better situation with regular weight and cardio workouts, there was a time I saw my weight go up and up. I did finally take charge and started doing "mini-workouts". Whether while brushing my teeth or during bathroom breaks at work, I would do pushups, squats, lunges, or calf raises. Body weight, of course. While this does nothing for your cardio health, I was able to increase my strenght and lose a bit (5 - 10 lb) of weight. I was up to 2 sets of 40 pushups twice a week. Squats and lunges were 50 at a time. I did 90 calf raises per set. I even managed to do some neutral grip pullups using stall doors. Each "workout" lasted at most 5 min on top of my bathroom break (people have smoking breaks, I have workout breaks). And i know, pushups on a bathroom floor is nasty, but there's soap and water nearby. Point is, if you want to squeeze in workouts, you can. Even though I go to the gym now, I still take stairs going up at my workplace now. Sometimes I toss in some body weight squats while brushing my teeth. Watching TV? Crank out 20 pushups during commercials. If there's a will, there's a way. Also, diet is actually the most important part of losing weight. Minimize sugar, salt, junk food. Soda? Drink diet. Coffee? Drink black no sugar, or at least milk and artificial sweetener. Need a snack? PB&J on one slice of whole wheat bread. So many ways to cut down. Good luck.

  136. Get your priorities straight! by g33kclimb3r · · Score: 1

    I don't mean any offense but it sounds like your life sucks. Do you really need to be working that much? I suggest getting a different job. I don't really believe you dont have any time to work out but if you honestly can't find the time to exercise at least try to form a healthy diet. You wont gain weight if you dont eat anything.. You should get a different job and find a hobby to get you in better shape life rock climbing.

  137. Weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weekends

  138. "I live 1.5 hours away" by Tuki · · Score: 1

    Bike into work, problem solved. You will be thinner than Lance Armstrong in no time.

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  139. Body by Science and Global Metabolic Conditioning by d9000 · · Score: 0

    I am reading an excellent book called Body by Science, by Dr. Doug McGruff and John Little. It picks apart traditional wisdom regarding "cardio" training, calories in vs. calories out, and a lot of other conventional wisdom. I would highly recommend watching Dr. McGruff's series of videos on YouTube as well. Here he takes critical look at what exactly constitutes "health" and "fitness." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3nt6XPhEZw

  140. You can always treat the symptoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recommend Lipitor and Lisinopril. Because, lets face it, you aren't gonna get to exercise.

  141. "live 1.5 hours away" could be bicycle-range by smellsofbikes · · Score: 1

    If you're working in Silicon Valley, there are lots of places where you can bike as fast as you can drive.
    I live in a rural area in Colorado, and work 25 miles away. It takes me 45 minutes to drive in, and 1 hour 20 minutes to ride my bike in: by adding an hour onto my commute time, I get 3 hours' exercise in. When I was going to school, my commute was 12 miles and taking into account the traffic and parking situations it took me 5 minutes less to ride my bike than to drive.
    This may not be the case for you, especially when you first start riding: you'll be riding much more slowly than you'd drive. However, you might consider driving in, biking home, then biking in the next day and driving home. It's hard to get in a decent workout when you've spent several hours working at your job and then have to switch gears over and go lift weights or do pushups for your entire break, and then go back to work -- not impossible, obviously, but I find it difficult. But the time spent driving to work is truly wasted: that's part of your life that you're just burning. You're paying for it and getting nothing. If you can turn some portion of that time into exercise you win twice: you turn time you have to pay to waste, into time that's useful. It'd be even better if you could move closer to work, obviously, but that might not be possible.
    And as everyone else says: that lifestyle will eat you alive. I don't think anyone should be working 60 hours a week unless they're making over 120K and saving more than half that every year, because then they'll be able to retire at 50 instead of 70, and when they die at 70 from the after-effects of all the stress, they will have had nearly as reasonable a retirement as people who lived lower-stress lives.

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  142. Cocaine? Crack? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Either will reduce your weight significantly and keep you awake.

    Short of that, reduce your intake. Most Americans overeat. If you have a relatively sedentary lifestyle then adjust your intake down to what you burn each day. Your body will compensate after a few days, so you'll need to do something to counteract that. You can either do desk exercises (google it), make it a point to go to the gym, or develop a cocaine habit. You can also change jobs too. It depends on how serious you are about getting healthy and whether or not your job is just an excuse. After all, it's easy to whine about how you can't work out than actually work out. But whining is pretty annoying.

  143. Re: Mod parent up by vlm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That feeling you get that you're "starving" yourself is a product of the fact that you've conditioned yourself to eat when you feel stressed.

    Actually, its a very common symptom of type2 diabetes, along with dehydration that gets worse when you drink sugar-soda, thirsty all the time, tired out, heavy central body buildup of fat, perhaps you have foot problems to some extent, etc... Conveniently the treatment for type2 boils down to lower carb diet, exercise, and lose some weight, at least at the start, which seems to be the treatment plan everyone else is suggesting for merely being fat. There are of course expensive pills that may or may not help you, but would absolutely make someone a lot of money.

    Needless to say I'm not a (medical) doctor, although I can diagnose that anyone asking for medical advice on slashdot is obviously showing clinical indications of mental insanity. A MD can quickly and trivially check your blood sugar levels to either prove this or rule it out, more or less. Probably worth checking out. Probably a good idea to visit your MD before beginning an exercise routine anyway.

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  144. Wii Fit by bezking · · Score: 0

    If you have the Wii, Wii Fit is excellent. I too work in a high-stress IT job, and I use the wii fit for ~33 min per day - it seems to be a big help.

  145. Pretty baseless by evilviper · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I'm pretty sure I have a very slow metabolism, ever since I was a pre-teen I would gain weight fairly quickly if I didn't actively work out, regardless of how much or what I eat. (Barring starving myself, I suppose...)

    Physics happens to disagree with you...

    People vastly overestimate the number of calories you burn when you work out. In fact, short of running marathons, you probably can't get away with eating an extra 500 calories without gaining weight, and much much less if you have a more moderate exercise routine.

    And no, cutting a couple hundred calories out of your diet won't starve you... You'll be a bit hungry for a couple weeks, as your body gets used to the different routine, but that's about it. Then you'll get used to it, and will have a hard time stuffing your face as you're used-to.

    I think you'll find, even if you do add exercise to your routine, your body weight won't change... Exercise is good for your health, of course, but it simply isn't enough to notably alter your body weight.

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    1. Re:Pretty baseless by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      They also overestimate how hard they exercise. Once - and only once - in my life, I could eat quite literally anything I wanted and lose weight. It was during football season, and I was a lineman playing offense and defense, on a team that did three full-contact 3.5 hr practices, a no-contact 3 hr practice, and a 2 hr game every week. The off-season regimen wasn't enough exercise to keep the weight off, but I'd drop it like a stone during the season. So: 10-15 lbs of pads, running around and smashing into people, for 3 hrs a day 4-5 days a week, with sprints at the end. IOW, this guy's entire commuting time, per week, in mixed cardio/strength training.

    2. Re:Pretty baseless by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      It's hard to be objective about that - because you can 'feel tired' without having done that much work. I've recently resumed my plan to lose a few kilos of lard. Got fed up of fumbling around and failing, and went for a 'proper' medical consult about it.
      Amongst other things, it turned out that I'd been exercising too hard - if you work out 'really hard' you burn off your blood sugars, and feel really like you've worked out - but you haven't shifted a gram of fat, and you've made yourself hungry. If you ignore that hunger, then it'll go away as you metabolise some fat, but it's not easy doing that.
      Where having switched to 'heart rate driven' workouts - instead of 'working really hard until I was tired' I instead do about an hour at 70-80% max heart rate (for comparison, my 'working really hard' probably ran 90% for not very long).
      My workouts before and after ... well, I can do an hour quite comfortably on a rower - which my heart rate monitor records as about 1000 calories. And I can do that every day, where my 'previous' - "work out until tired" was much harder to do daily, and lasted if I was lucky about 20m of 'actual workout' and maybe another 20 of feeling guilty and doing 'very low intensity' hanging around the gym and pretending.
      It seems to be working too. Subjectively it feels like I'm not working as hard - it takes a bit longer (but not that much considering time to get to the gym, shower etc. - 20m more I barely notice), but 'feels' quite easy. Objectively measuring it though, I'm getting a _lot_ more of a workout each day, and am doing so more days a week because it 'feels' easier.
      So yes, it's very hard to estimate exercise workloads accurately, short of 'in controlled medical conditions' - I don't even trust the kcal readout on my heart rate monitor, but I do use it for comparison purposes, and I tend to assume it's right in reading the beats per minute.

  146. Try different at work methods! by S7urm · · Score: 1

    I can relate to the kind of situation you've found yourself in. However, I found that you can get pretty creative when it comes to squeezing in some cardio WHILE AT WORK!

    Try parking in a spot as far away from the building as possible, do this everyday and just those added steps help make a difference. Also make sure that if you are given constant steady 10+min breaks, walk around your building/parking lot and that will make a difference as well. Use fax machines/copiers/bathrooms that are as far away from your current seat as possible, eat a good breakfast in the morning and find something high in fiber for snacks throughout the day (which will also make you find a bathroom more often, which in turn will help combat fiber deficiency issues!).

    Also, there is also the frequently stated, "make time", even if you only walk 20 mins in the morning or at night (preferably both) that as well makes a difference.

    Good luck, I know it sucks, but try a few of those and I'll bet it'll help

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  147. Use a ball by djheru · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some people where I work sit on those exercise balls. While you're not busy, you can do mini crunches, and even while you're just sitting there, you will be using your ab and back muscles much more to support your posture. Also, stand up and stretch for a few minutes every hour. It's better than nothing.

  148. Healthiness is a lifestyle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have chosen an unhealthy one. EOM.

  149. Good To Hear Some Of The Responses by assertation · · Score: 1

    It is good to hear some of the "find another job" responses.

    I have seen so many friends go down that road and for what? To get outsourced when someone will work for 5 cents an your less? The OP has a twelve hour shift because his company doesn't want for another person/shift. Is that company really going to care about or respect him?

    The OP may not have another opportunity at this point and time, but I agree, get another job as soon as you get the chance.

    Even if this company turns out to be wonderful you can only do a shift like that on a temporary basis.

  150. Genetics. Don't become a statistic. by w0mprat · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I'm pretty sure I have a very slow metabolism, ever since I was a pre-teen I would gain weight fairly quickly if I didn't actively work out, regardless of how much or what I eat.

    Just from that, it'd be a fair guess to say you likely don't have a good genetic hand of cards when it comes to predisposition to Type 2 diabetes, hypertension, [insert diet/obeseity linked illness here].

    YOU more than anyone else you really need to cut out junk food, excercise more, and work to get serious nutrition, because your genes won't provide natural protection relative to average, but rather a disposition to a shortened life with years of suffering thrown in.

    Don't consider multi-vitamins. Very few people are actually deficient in vitamins and minerals, however pretty much all of western civilization at the momment is deficient in dietary fibre intake and omega 3 and other fatty acids. There is pretty solid research to show supplementation of these has compelling health benefits, if not are the root cause of many ills - whereas the jury is still out on vitamin pills. Incorporating a range of vegetables and fruits (*DAILY* not just now and then) in your diet will get you all the vitamins and minerals you need and many other valuable fringe nutrients, fibre, roughage and antioxidants. Stuff that isn't in pills.

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  151. HFCS silliness by erice · · Score: 1

    Anything with high fructose corn syrup in it (most anything you'd get at 7-11 or the like) is tough for your body to digest.

    That's ridiculous. HFCS is trivial for your body to digest, just like any other sugar. HFCS is simply free glucose and fructose is a roughly 50-50 ratio. It scarcely gets any easier than this, aside from specialized sport foods (which you absolutely should not be eating you are in the middle of a hard, long duration workout)

  152. try kettlebells, among other things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was introduced to Kettlebells by my martial arts instructors when I was in the active duty military. I was the Unit Fitness Program Manager at the time, and I can tell you this:
    Kettlebells are extreme and effective, and I can't over-emphasize both.
    Training with Kettlebells on the side a few minutes a day enabled me to maintain and improve my overall fitness. It's portable, requires no electricity, no maintenance, and it's even weatherproof.
    They are ballistic - you can seriously hurt yourself - but the "impact" is equally great.
    Don't get me wrong, it's not a magic bullet, but it's damn close.
    Some people only go running. Some people only like to do strength training with weights (which in my opinion is no good if you don't have endurance), or only aerobics, only cardio-kickboxing, or whatever makes you feel good. Kettlebells are also just one well-rounded solution. Don't limit yourself to one option.
    If you want to be fit and healthy for the rest of your life you have to start with the mindset of having and keeping a healthy lifestyle. No sudden changes of any kind will have any effect if you eventually go back to your old ways.
    You may have to make sacrifices - like no more snacks from the vending machine for starters.
    Think of how much money you'll save by bringing healthy food to work instead of buying junk food out of convenience.

    Good luck comrade.
    http://www.russiankettlebells.com/

  153. Eating by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Figure out how many calories you eat in a day (doesn't have to be exact) and see how that stacks up with average for such a sedentary lifestyle. While you won't be "in shape" per se, you can at least help to curb weight gain by not eating more than you need, and making sure what you DO eat is high in fiber, contains more complex carbs than sugars, and lots of lean protein.

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  154. Mike Rowe's Prison Workout by gubers33 · · Score: 1

    Mike Rowe does it with his busy schedule, so you can do it with yours, but it probably won't make you as badass as Mike Rowe. But 10 decending sets of burpies. For better understanding.

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  155. I lost 40 lbs with no exercise by brian0918 · · Score: 1

    Last August, I started eating the "paleo diet" and purposely put off all exercise, keeping my lifestyle as sedentary as possible. At the same time, I ate whenever I was hungry. The pounds just flew off, and I was practically skin and bones in couple months. Stick to lots of red meat, fish, cheese, eggs, bacon, milk, cottage cheese, some vegetables. You may have to supplement with omega-3 fish oil if you're buying cheap eggs and meat that are high in omega-6 and low in omega-3.

    Get your blood tests with HDL and VLDL / triglycerides to confirm that your blood lipids are improving. Get a check for liver fat deposits before starting the diet, and get another check a couple months later. You'll be shocked at all the improvements. HDL up, VLDL and trigs down, fatty liver gone.

    Staying in shape is quite easy.

    1. Re:I lost 40 lbs with no exercise by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      If your LDL goes up, don't worry about it, and ignore your doctor's threats of impending doom. It was never an accurate measure of anything. Recommend Gary Taubes's Good Calories, Bad Calories to him, and move on.

  156. Get a good fidget.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    nope, i'm not kidding.

    one of the biggest differences between overweight and skinny people in equal environments is skinny people have a fidget.

    make a fidget part of your habits and you wont have a weight issue.

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  157. Get a Kettlebell by G-Man · · Score: 1

    Most of the comments so far have addressed the lifestyle impacts of your job, and for the most part I agree with them. I would recommend a fitness regimen like P90X (yeah, it's sold via infomercial, but it does work), but you seem to feel you don't have the 1-1.5 hours a day to devote to it. If you really feel that pressed for time, I would recommend getting a kettlebell. A kettlebell is basically a shotput-sized ball with a handle on it. They come in all sizes now, but traditionally the 'standard' one is 24kg, a 'heavy' is 32kg, and a 'junior' is 16kg. I would recommend starting with the 16kg junior size. I have a 16kg and a 24kg, and that 24 is a heavy bastard. I can't imagine what a 32 is like.

    Learn to do snatches properly (there are videos on the web) - 100 total, 50 each hand in sets of 25-15-10, alternating between each hand. Short breaks between each set (like 1 minute). That one exercise works almost all major muscle groups in the body, particularly core muscles. Is it a magical replacement for all other exercises? No, of course not, but I can't think of another exercise that gets so much done in so short a time. You can be done with the whole thing in under 20 minutes. Of course, be careful and start slow - if you lose your grip on 16kg of cast iron, that can put a big dent in almost anything, including your skull.

    Kettlebells used to be a specialty item, and you could only get them at places like http://www.dragondoor.com/, but they have become much more popular, and you may be able to locate them at you local sporting/fitness stores now.

    1. Re:Get a Kettlebell by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because searching web videos for "snatches" will be very useful in learning how to do the workout maneuver...

  158. Yes, there's something left. by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Shovelglove seems like it fits perfectly, especially the "schedulistically significant time" concept.

    That is, if you're in America, you won't find a calendar with a granularity of less than 15 minutes, so you have no excuse for not working out for 14. If you have any time at all, including the time you wasted submitting this Slashdot article, you have time.

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  159. Amazing workout, Amazing Results - Two Words by Phizzle · · Score: 1

    VIGOROUS MASTURBATION

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  160. Do little things by Kihaji · · Score: 1

    Here is what I would do if I were in your position: 1. Leave your money in the car/at home. The less easy it is to run to the snack machine, the better. 2. Bring your meals. For 12 hours I would bring 4 meals, and eat 2 more meals at home. You want to eat small meals regularly to keep your metabolism high. 3. Drink enough to piss every hour. Not only will you be properly hydrated, but getting up to piss every hour is you getting out of your chair and walking. 4. Take the long way to everything, and never the elevator. 5. Do a set of push-ups and sit-ups every hour.

  161. Nonetheless by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You will feel better in just about every way for however many years that you do happen to live.

    1. Re:Nonetheless by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You will feel better...

      ... until the moment of your death when you will be thinking, "I could have eaten that Twinkie."

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    2. Re:Nonetheless by linzeal · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That deep-fried chocolate dipped twinkie between the thighs of your wife's hot sister, you surely mean?

    3. Re:Nonetheless by tim447 · · Score: 1

      You're worried that at the moment of your death you're going to think about a Twinkie?! You, my friend, are in *far* worse trouble than OP.

    4. Re:Nonetheless by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      A twinkie is nice, but is it worth breathing hard from walking a mile in the park?

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    5. Re:Nonetheless by xous · · Score: 1

      Yes.

    6. Re:Nonetheless by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      A single twinkie is going to destroy my cardiovascular health? Wow. Apparently they're worse than I thought...

  162. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best shape I've gotten into is from a diet which REQUIRES you to sit around (i.e.: low caloric). Also, when working out, it should never take longer than an hour at the gym. Any longer than that and you're wasting your time. Anyone can spare a fucking hour. Stop your bitching and get your ass in shape. Or don't, and just stop bitching.

  163. Standing by aaronvegh · · Score: 1

    There are already several intelligent posts here, about increasing activity and decreasing caloric intake. Read The Hacker's Diet for a good engineering perspective on the ins and outs (as it were).

    You have a problem of insufficient activity to burn calories. I had the same problem, which has been solved by A) going to the gym, and B) standing while I work. I think the latter point here can really help you.

    If you can wrangle your work space around to allow you to stand -- either by piling your computer on top of additional shelving, say -- you can burn an extra 60 calories an hour. And more, if you take that additional standing time and throw in extra movements during your work day. When standing, it's easy to just walk away for a minute, throw a ball up and down, heck, do some jumping jacks. When standing, you're that much closer to any kind of physical motion, and that has to be of help.

    It's hard on your legs and knees at first, but you will build the muscles to support it. Good luck!

    Cheers,
    Aaron.

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  164. Lunchtime workout + Slim Fast by Elwar123 · · Score: 1

    I've been in the same situation you're in. I used to down a slim fast on my way to work and then during lunch drive to the gym for a quick work out and on my way back to the office, down another slim fast. Eat a very light dinner...a small meat and a small side. Drink a LOT of water. Now, with this job I skip the slim fast and bring my own meal to work. I still go to the gym at lunchtime but I eat my lunch at my desk throughout the day.

  165. Crossit by g00d_4sh · · Score: 1

    Honestly, Crossfit has been the best boon for me as far as staying in shape and having a horrid schedule is concerned. I work 40 to 50 hours a week, but I also go to school fulltime. (2nd time through college mind you). Between that, and my time with my girlfriend, I don't have a lot of time. Crossfit can either be done in groups, or solo. It is quick, intense, and burns far more calories than you'd burn with hours of time on a tredmill or some other crap. Many of the exercises can be done anywhere, even in an office, and dont' require you to go to some big Globo gym. Just check out www.crossfit.com, and you'll see the daily workouts, free videos describing various movements, and all that jazz. Long story short, it's helped me get back in shape, and still have my insane and stupid schedule. As other said, eating right is key as well. I bring almonds with me to work, and try to eat along the lines of the Zone diet.

  166. Use stuff around the building by unleashedgamers · · Score: 1

    When I worked in an office I thought I wouldn't be able to work out that much but I ended up finding ways.

    - When walking through a hallway that you cant be seen well thats perfect for situps, pushups and jumping jacks, anyone comes by just think up something funny.
    - If there's a door where everyone smokes have a "smoke break" (but dont) go out the door and run a few laps when your not crazy busy.

    Thats a couple I did, be creative and find a few that work for you.

  167. Like a few others I say Kettlebell by rattis · · Score: 1

    I'm doing a program right now, 4 days a week. It's called Enter the Kettlebell. Art Of Strength http://http//www.artofstrength.com has a good work book to do the exercises. The site has a lot of good stuff on it, like how to pick the right size bell, etc.

    As for the workbook workout, 2 days the work out lasts 22 minutes, the other 2, 15 minutes. You get worked hard in that time though. it's not easy. I'd using 24kg to do the work. That's the first 4 weeks. I haven't been able to make it to the second set yet (8 weeks).

    You can also get the AOS follow along DVDs, which take between 45 minutes to an hour to do.

    It's not hard to stay in shape. You just have to be willing to work hard, and eat clean.

  168. 20 minutes is all you need for now by tanveer1979 · · Score: 1

    Of course "change job", "14 hours a day too much" etc., etc., are coming in, but in these times it can be difficult.
    From your schedule, since you need sleep, you will have to fit exercise in your work schedule.
    Basically, you need one 20 minute break, and another 2 breaks of 10 minutes each.
    Can you extract that much time out of your job?
    If yes, do this
    first 10 minutes break, do 3-4 minutes brisk walk followed by mild jog.
    Later after an hour or so do 5 minutes of fast walk, light jog. and then run properly for 10 minutes and then spend 5 minutes to cool down.
      with 2 minutes for stretching. You should be able to do 2 miles in this time.
    Your last 10 minutes should be stretching and some stuff like situps and pushups.

    Getting away from your desk for these ultra short breaks will refresh you.

    When you get home, just try to sqeeze out 15 minutes, and jog in those 15 minutes.

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  169. Cycle to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cycle to work. It's utterly amazing. It may involve you moving closer to work, but seeing as you seem to be spending most of your time there, it's probably worth it.

    I ride to work every day - 15km each way. Cycling to work / home is the most amazing feeling, it makes you feel so good, and I've been doing it for years.

    Now, if I'm too tired / sick / etc to ride, it means I'm too tired / sick / etc to go to work. I wouldn't miss it for anything. Finally, one of the best things about it, is that if you get into the pattern of cycling every day, it's no longer a 'chore' to exercise, it's just what you do. Yay!

  170. One word: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burpees. Google it. Surely, you have a few minutes while compiling/rebooting/installing to get some in.

  171. Oprah Says ... by value_added · · Score: 1

    This is going to be a first[1] ...

    Calorie Restriction Diet

    Normally, I dismiss the idea of dieting or coerced exercise (gymns) as the wrong answers to what are fundamentally very simple questions, but the concepts behind a calorie restricted diet may be rooted in our physiological makeup.

    At the very least, it might encourage the submitter to question and possibly re-evaluate how and what he eats.

    If he needs to improve on a sedentary lifestyle (and job), then he'll have to take advantage of what time he does have. Becoming more active while at work and doing such things as walking, running up and down stairs, or even Yoga might work, but I wouldn't rely on those approaches as anything more than brief respites as most workplace environments aren't conducive to anything but work.

    By contrast, walking or biking all or a portion of the way to work would be a no-brainer.

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  172. Ask a doctor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk to a doctor or a nutritionist. All you're going to get here is a bunch of fat nerds arguing about real diets they don't understand and fake diets they pretend work for them.

  173. I don't see the problem by idontgno · · Score: 1

    "Round" is a shape. So is "ovoid" and "pear-like". "Bulbous" too.

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  174. Embedded Exercises by kriyasurfer · · Score: 1

    This may sound uninspired, but I think your best bet is to embed your exercise during work and spread them out throughout the day.

    If you're in front of a desk often, another method is to stand during some or all of your shift. If you know how to sit in something called a horse stance, you can work at the same level as you normally sit in a chair. Simply standing switches on something in the body to burn more calories.

    If you walk around a lot, you can change how you walk to get a better workout. Namely, bend your knees while keeping your back straight and your head level. Try not to fall into the forward steps. You end up walking like say, the animation in Counterstrike or Rainbow Six. It works your quads (similar to doing squats).

    You can do mini-exercises, taking no more than 5 minutes at a time. Some exercises burn a ton of calories, such as Indian squats. 50 reps generally take less than 60s to do. Pushups are OK if you do the right kind. If you have your own office, you can get one of those as-seen-on-TV pull-up bars: attempt a quick pullup everytime you walk out or walk in through the door. The big downside to this is that you will sweat. If you're actually losing weight, your sweat will smell from the aromatics trapped in the fat you've accumulated. I generally do this onsite. Instead of taking the coffee break, I go off to a corner and run through a couple exercises. Then again, I work in software development, not IT.

  175. I work out at 5:30 AM, to work by 7:30ish. by Intrusive_Rogue · · Score: 1

    You just have to make the time and keep the workout efficient so it doesn't take 2 hours.

  176. Little bits of exercise throughout the day by sudnshok · · Score: 1

    Park as far as possible everywhere you go. These walks from your car to the store/work/home will add up to several extra miles in the week.

    Use the stairs instead of the elevator when you can.

    Do 10 minutes of push-ups and sit-ups before work in the morning.

    Put ankle weights on when you leave the house in the morning and walk around all day with them.

    Go for walks at lunchtime

    Take the long way when walking from your cube to someone else's at work.

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  177. Try walking during your break by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

    During your "lunchtime", take 30 minutes for a brisk walk (not stroll) every day. Around the parking lot or wherever is convenient.

    You'd be surprised how much weight you can lose, and quickly, this way. I lost 25lb (210->185lb) in less than 6months.

    You can help buy cutting out any snacks, but no need to change your diet. Just the walking will do it.

    If you can't find the time to walk for 30 minutes a day, then you don't want to.

    1. Re:Try walking during your break by daybot · · Score: 1

      If you can't find the time to walk for 30 minutes a day, then you don't want to.

      I recently moved to London and notice that people in my age bracket are slimmer on average here than where I was before. I'll bet it's because the typical commute in London has far more walking involved - even if you take the tube everywhere, you still have to walk a lot through the system.

    2. Re:Try walking during your break by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

      Yep - that's even better if you can get some exercise without even trying.

      I think that's true of Europe in general (I'm originally from the UK) vs the US (where I now live)... People do still walk into and about town. The US is for the most part totally car-centric. Many residential neighborhoods don't even have sidewalks (= pavements).

  178. The simple solution is to FIND exercise... by Provocateur · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...where there normally isnt. For some people, it's just a kitchen, but to a workout freak like me, I practice the refrigerator door pull, about 3 sets of 12 reps each, burn those calories. Open the door, you think it's just a 6 pack, but each one in that pack for the workout fanatic, means a hectic fast paced 24oz wrist curl for each wrist, about 3 sets of 12 reps each. Practice restraint by tensing the muscles to prevent unnecessary rushed gulping. You get the idea; just take another look around at the house...

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    1. Re:The simple solution is to FIND exercise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guy i knew was going to do K2. fortunatly, we were on the top floor of a 50 floor building.
      he would run the fire escape in his lunch hour. he started off doing a couple of reps of a few floors down and up. (no point being on the 10th without enuff energy to get to the 50th) and pretty soon, he was doing the whole 50 floors, down in 5 minutes, and up in 15 minutes. twice.
      he then got a back pack, and put in a bottle of water, and slowly increased the number of bottles of water. i think it got to the point he was running the stairs with 10 2litre bottles.
      fortunalty, we had showers and changing rooms on our floor too.
      now i'm a lazy bum, sedentry job etc etc.but the girlfriend has booked to go diving in egypt from a live aboard. usually 2 dives a day will do for me, but this is 4 dives a day plus one night dive if you want. so i'm finding time to get down the gym. i've got a couple of months to get my CV and strength back up.

      the most basic advice i can offer is, when you get home, DON'T park your arse on the sofa, get changed, grab a bite to eat, go out for a walk, then maybe break it into a run, maybe even go down the sweat box gym, and when you get back, you'll feel like you've done something instead of watching futurama re-runs.

  179. ba duan jin, few carbohydrates by elmartinos · · Score: 1

    Perform some Ba duan jin's. You can do them at work, throughout the day. You do not need much space, It does not build muscles, but it will relax your muscles so that blood circulation is improved, and if you do them regularly it will do wonders for your health.

    Also, change your eating habits. Replace anything that contains carbohydrates with fat & proteins, and you will shed body fat very quickly. Read the excellent book Life Without Bread, written by a guy who is now 96. Ive replaced all sugary snacks I normally ate throughout the day with almonds, peanuts (unsalted!), and 90% chocolate. Especially unsalted almonds are the perfect finger food. They are highly addictive AND healthy, and although they contain lots of fat you will loose weight eating them.

  180. Brief early workout pays all day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have to do a workout, there is no other way. You can't be sedentary that much and be healthy.

    But if you do a brief workout in the morning, in a way it will continue all day. You'll change the way your metabolism functions for that day in a postive way. When you start the day, your body has enough sugar throughout to burn that and get through a sedentary day. If you burn that sugar off in a brief morning workout, then your body burns fat all day instead, even when you're sitting and working.

    Also, fall in love with some kind of salad with a chicken breast on top and a light dressing on the side. It takes about an hour of chewing to eat, which wears you out for other eating, and at the same time it's like taking your protein pill and fiber pill for the day.

    The problem many nerds have with health is not so much the hours sitting at a computer or other focused work, but rather many are not able to adjust to the slow pace of getting healthier and try to exert too much control over the process. You have to make some changes like eating better and more exercise but be willing to wait for the results for 6 months. If you are 20 kilos overweight it is very tempting to want to take off 2 kilos a week for 10 weeks with some miracle science diet, but it's a thousand times better to take off that 20 kilos over the course of a year with many small positive changes in your habits. By then your whole body adjusts, not just your fat reserves, and you're much more likely to stay at the lower weight and see positive health results.

  181. Easy Answer: New Job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's your job that's going to slowly kill you as you gain weight, lose muscle mass, presumingly while your blood pressure and cholesterol increase. You'll be dead by 50 max with years of medical issues. You need a new job that can allow you to be healthy. What's more important, that job or your health? I choose health easily as life is too short to spend it sick and miserable. Seriously, get a more flexible to home, it'll save your life.

  182. Enough defeatism; calories in vs. calories burned by Fastolfe · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I'm pretty sure I have a very slow metabolism

    What does that even mean? Your resting metabolic rate is determined almost completely by what it is that you're powering: if you're fat and have larger organs, you need to burn more to support those systems. Two people with identical body types and activity levels will burn the same amount of calories.

    ever since I was a pre-teen I would gain weight fairly quickly if I didn't actively work out, regardless of how much or what I eat. (Barring starving myself, I suppose...)

    The "regardless of how much or what I eat" sounds wrong and defeatist. If you truly believe what you're telling us, that there's just nothing you can do, and you'll always gain weight no matter what you try, then you're never going to get anywhere. Of course changing how much or what you eat will change how much weight you gain or lose.

    This basic equation always holds true: If calories in is greater than calories burned, you gain weight. If calories in is less than calories burned, you lose weight. That's all there is to it. Balance the two however you want.

    A can of soda has ~150 calories. Running 1.5 miles will burn ~150 calories. It's far easier to forego that can of soda and drink some water instead, than it is to commit to a 20-minute jog, yes? Both will have the same impact on your weight. The latter, though, will improve your health in other ways. So if you simply can't find time to exercise and increase the number of calories you burn, focus instead on decreasing the number of calories you consume.

    If you have a weakness for food, such that you feel you have to "fill up" all the time to curb your hunger, look at the energy density of the foods you eat. Avoid foods that are energy-dense (fried foods, sweets, sodas, processed foods) and start buying foods that have less energy for the same volume, like fruits and vegetables, and anything with a high water content. Drink a glass of water before every meal. Eat more slowly. Don't go grocery shopping when you're hungry. When you do go grocery shopping, don't buy lots of snacks in the first place and you'll never be tempted to eat them. Switch to 2% milk. Don't feel like you have to count calories, but do be aware of how many calories there are in the things that you buy.

  183. Let's Break it Down... by brones · · Score: 1
    You spend 12-15 hours at work You spend 3 hours driving You didn't say how much you sleep, but I will assume you like your pillow as much as I do mine, so 8 hours...

    .

    that's a total of 23-26 hours per day. Congratulations, you have no life. Unless your work is your life, in which case let's roll with that.

    First off really consider getting a place right next to work and right next to a gym, that way you can go to the gym after work instead of commuting for 3 hours... This is thinking strategically.

    Let's pretend that work is fun for you and you are enjoying yourself all of that time (if you are not, it's time to re-evaluate your goals and figure out what you want in life).

    Then the problem becomes simple, you love your life the way it is, but you know you need to get in some exercise. There is only two places to put excercise in the time your life allows, either during work or during your commute. During Sleep is out of the question.

    The good news is there is one very effective exercise you can do while driving, it's called isometrics. you can also do this while in your cubicle. Basically you just sit there flexing your muscles. Nobody will even notice you are doing it. Flex your left leg 10 time, then your right 10 times, then your left arm, and so on, with your abs as well...

    There is also some easy exercises you can do at work. You don't need an hour straight to work out. It takes me about 2 minutes to do:

    10 hinu squats 10 pushups 10 sit-ups 5 pullups

    That's only 2 minutes. If you are able to take a 2 minute break every hour while at work and do this, after only 10 hours of work you have done

    100 hindu squats 100 pushups 100 sit-ups 50 pullups!

    Combine that with sitting isometrics and you will be in better shape than most in no time.

    Of course, you must practice this, you need to develop the habit. It's not going to be easy.

    And if you are working so much that you have no personal relationships, you might be damaging your brain. I would talk it out with a licensed psychologist.

  184. Talk to a Nutritionist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk to a nutritionist about a meal plan (carb and calorie counting) if you can't make the time to work out. I found out I was diabetic last year and the nutritionist measured my BMI, ran the numbers and put me on a 2100 calorie diet, with 75 grams of carbs per meal. I lost 30 pounds just from eating normal meals over six months. =/ Previously, I had switched from regular Mountain Dew to Diet Dew and lost 15 pounds. That was quick weigh loss without working out.

    Every freaking thing is a carb: starch, pasta, bread, sugar, fruit (a small apple has 15 grams of carbs,) rice, beans, etc.. A 20oz Mountain Dew contains ~75 grams of carbs which is an entire meal's worth of carbs for a 6'2" person with a desk job. Four slices of whole grain bread is about 80 carbs. Every time you quaff a 20 oz 'Dew you're eating nearly four slices of bread.

    Knowing what I know now about food, when people say that meal portions in America are too large, they aren't kidding, and they're understating the problem. Personally, if I were elected Dictator of the US, I would mandate that schools teach the six hours of nutrition information, training, and planning that I received, and that restaurants provide nutrition information for their meals.

    Of course, YMMV, results may or may not be typical.

  185. It's easy to stay fit AND work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at every job interview I ask my employer's
          Do you offer smokers smoking breaks?
    They always say yes. Second Question
        If unhealthy people can take smoking breaks. I want to take exercise breaks.

    I bring a jump rope to work (cardio) and vary my exercises times everyday to meet deadlines / meetings.
    You'll be amazed at how much exercise you can get from a jump rope. Though there are many things you can do..
      (just make sure you have good sneakers if you go with a jump rope, if you start getting pain in the muscles on your feet, stop jumping for a week or two. Always alternate the muscle groups you target. Track machines are worthless when compared to real running. Run around your building. Bring in spray deodorant and an extra shirt if you need to. Try to avoid doing only X of exercise Y. If you want to IMPROVE your body you need to keep making X a larger number until you get to the body you want )

    I do mini exercises 1-3 times a work day. On really frustrating days I do a lot more. (it helps)
    Honestly the hardest part for me is remembering to stop what I am doing and take a few min to exercise. I've found it helpful to set up reminders on my machine that go off every few hours.

  186. Try a more effective form of exercise by psyhofreak · · Score: 1

    There are several different training regiments that follow the high impact, low duration approach, but this is the one that I've been using for a while now: http://www.amazon.com/Body-Science-Research-Program-Results/dp/0071597174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246480756&sr=8-1 It takes only a few minutes a week and in conjunction with a reasonable diet you'll at least stay in shape.

  187. Sorry, Buddy - no sympathy here. by CFD339 · · Score: 1

    I'm over 40, a volunteer firefighter, run my own IT business, have a second IT startup on the side and have three daughters. I still find time to get to Karate class 2-3 times a week (taking a shared class with one of my daughters).

    You're not busier than I am. The only suggestion I have is -- get off your butt and go do something.

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    1. Re:Sorry, Buddy - no sympathy here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whats the secret to starting an IT business?

    2. Re:Sorry, Buddy - no sympathy here. by CFD339 · · Score: 1

      There's no secret to starting one. The secret is getting it to make any money. ;-)

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  188. 5BX by slasho81 · · Score: 1

    Do this every morning. Not only will it make you fit, it'll also make you feel great during the day.

  189. Stop being a victim by stonewolf · · Score: 1

    Your post includes a negative answer to every reasonable way of dealing with your problem. *YOU* have already given yourself permission to become a fat weak ugly slob. You have a slow metabolism, bull shit. That is just permission for being fat and staying fat. I need sleep, just permission for being lazy. I live so far away, so what move.

    You have decided to be a victim (why else would you take such a piss poor job?) and now you are hoping that we will give permission to be the lazy fat slob you want to be. You have reached out to the whole geek world to ask us to enable you. In just the same way drug addicts look for people to enable them.

    BTW, that is why I am being so harsh. To let you know that at least one person does not give you permission to be a victim.

    When I was in a similar situation I bought a mini trampoline and used it during for several minutes per hour, just jumping is good exercise, running in place is also good. Look up tension exercise, you can get an amazing work out with using a rope with a few knots tied in it. Buy a book an stretching and begin a flexibility program. Holding those stretches is remarkable exercise. Oh, but you don't have time... DO IT AT WORK. Your job doesn't exactly keep you pinned in a chair 100% of the time. Get up off the chair and run in place in front of your monitor. At the very least get an exercise ball and substitute it for your chair. Sitting on a ball for 12 hours will give you an astonishing core muscle work out. Get rid of the chair and put the monitor on a stack of books and do your job standing up. Standing or sitting on the ball will only hurt for a few weeks.

    Now, after all that, I'm going to tell you to sign up for a supervised weight loss program. One that makes you log all your eating. Buy a Dr.'s office style scale and weigh your self and keep a log of daily weight.

    Remember that *YOU* went on /. *asking* for permission to be a fat lazy slob, you asked for permission to be a victim... If that is what you want, you will achieve your goal. In a few years, you'll find yourself unable to climb stairs, you'll be too fat to fit through a door, you will be taking 6 or 7 pills every day for you diabetes, your cholesterol, your high blood pressure, your acne, your broken down feet, your social anxiety, your depression.... You'll be a very happen victim then and even happier when you die and a buried in a double wide coffin. Your choice.

    Stonewolf

  190. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    make time to exercise (make it part of your social activity, eg. running)

    i started working at a NOC ~ 7months ago, drive 1.5hr to work as well.

    i spend my work days: drive, work, drive, run (made this part of my social life as well).

    you NEED to exercise. watching what you eat aint gonna do it.

  191. Caffeine.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And more Caffeine...

    It speeds up your metabolism (and heart) and burns the energy you intake.

    (but you will live fast and die young (like MJ))

  192. There's time if you make it by lpfarris · · Score: 1

    If you have time to get up and grab a snack at work, you have time to exercise instead. A few five minute strolls while at work add up. If you don't have time to even get up and get a snack, I doubt you are going to have a problem with food at work. Make sure you have snacks that are healthy and filling for the commute, and nothing else to eat or drink. I might have made the same claims as you, except that the time I spent "exercising" (dancing and dance lessons) was also time I didn't have access to food, and didn't think about it.

  193. "The Hacker's Diet" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, he can do what lots of us here do when we're too slammed to work out "properly":
    Crunches and pushups. Use you body's mass as your weights. bonus points if you can install a pull-up bar somewhere.

    just do 10 or 15 reps at a time, as time permits.
    you can do this almost anywhere (aisles between cubes, DC floor, etc.

    "The Hacker's Diet" is based on this simple principle:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hacker's_Diet

    Its exercise regiment is based on an old RCAF system:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5BX

  194. Your only options by scorp1us · · Score: 1

    1) Quit. Find another job.

    2) Move closer to work.

    3) Give up on exercise and go with diet. Given a choice between diet and exercise, your body will function better from choosing diet, than exercise alone. In fact, I recommend that people lose weight BEFORE working out. Simply because bigger people are less able to work out. The workouts produce more strain and are less likely to result in successful behavior as well as the risk of the whole system breaking.

    4) Eliminate the carbs. Fast storage can only happen as a result to insulin. Insulin (barring a medical condition) is a reaction to too much blood sugar. That only comes from food. So low carb and slow carb (complex carbs) it. get as close to eliminating them as possible. When you don't eat carbs, your hunger fades because rather than eating for right now, you instead eat for your next meal or your next day. When you do this successfully, you will notice you only get hungry after eating a lot of carbs. Also, never, ever drink your carbs. use diet sodas, if you use sodas at all. But its best to avoid them all together.

    The FDA and most places have yet to do a competent scientific study that tests only diet OR excercise. All these "diet and exercise" studies are not scientific because they change two factors at once, and both have thermodynamic repercussions, so you can't actually tease out what is more effective. But if my own experience is to be anything other than anecdotal, I'd say eating "right" is far more important. *right = for your metabolism.

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  195. Just go for a run by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for a company doing the exact same thing as you and the same shift. As is the case with most NOC's you don't really get a lunch break. A "lunch break" consist of you grabbing whatever you have in the fridge and bringing it back your desk. The solution that my co-workers and myself came up with worked pretty well for us. Since it was the night shift 8pm-8am there was little or no supervision, so what we did was bring a change of clothes for running and we would take turns going out for a half hour run while the others covered the workload. As long as your co-workers don't mind covering this works great.

  196. beast skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all about the bodyweight exercises. Crunches, pushups, L-sits, handstand pushups, squats, pistols, etc, etc. Pilates is a pretty decent way to get into bodyweight workouts; if you have a decent baseline level of fitness check out http://www.beastskills.com/ for awesome bodyweight gymnastics tutorials. Stay hydrated and remember the power of interval training. When you exercise, go all out for a short period of time, rest, then do it again.

  197. Re:Walk + simple things that take little time by scubamage · · Score: 1

    Adding to the water thing, drink ice water if you can get it. The colder the water, the better. Your body has to expend energy to raise the water to body temperature, in fact, the definition of calorie (little c) is the amount of energy required to raise one ml of water by one degree celsius. Granted, you're trying to burn Calories (big C, 1000 little c's), but every little bit helps. If you drank a gallon of ice water a day, you could burn more than 200 Calories from that alone. Explanation and mathematics here.

  198. daily plate by tazochai · · Score: 1

    I use this site and it works wonders:

    http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/users/myplate/

    Go this page to calculate your calorie intake, and I chose Lightly Active, sounds like you should too.
    http://www.livestrong.com/thedailyplate/users/myinfo/

    Then record everything you eat. Their food database is extensive. I also don't exercise, and sit on my ass doing computer work all day, and I lost 11 pounds using this site. met my goal.

  199. Are you living to work, or working to live? by mellon · · Score: 1

    I ask because that sounds like a horrible job. You might be better off moving to a cheaper place and getting a job as a barista.

    However, if that solution doesn't work, then the next question is, is there a public transit option that will get you most of the way there in one ride? If so, get a folding bike, and ride to and from the transit option. You can chill while you're riding, so you won't have to unwind when you get home. Even if the public transit option takes longer, it may be worth it because you'll spend less time decompressing, and you won't be in that amped-up driving state of mind at the beginning and end of your work day.

    I have a tikit from bike friday, and I love it.

    Don't listen to the people who tell you that you should just make time for exercise. You wouldn't be asking us for help if that were true. I can never get psyched up to exercise for no reason other than to stay in shape, so I can relate. Figure out a way to work the exercise into your life, and you'll do it. Otherwise it'll fall by the wayside when things get busy which, it sounds like, they are.

  200. Bike to work! by cduffy · · Score: 1

    If it's too far or too long of a commute to ride a conventional bike, get an electric bike that makes you pedal. I recently started commuting with an Optibike, made by a company in Colorado -- it's electric-assist, sure, but I still have a heart rate in the 170-180 range (and maintain a 75-85 cadence on the flats and uphill sections, which I hope to get higher) for my 20-mile round-trip commute... while getting each way in only about twice the time it took me to drive. The Opti is geared such that the motor isn't running efficiently unless you're maintaining a pretty quick cadence, so you can't just sit back and coast without pedaling if you want to go fast -- so there's plenty of motivation to get your exercise.

    So -- it's good exercise and low-impact on your time; the only place where it's higher-impact is the wallet... but if you're working so many hours you can't find time to exercise anywhere, you ought to be bringing home some good dough, right?

  201. Quit. Go deliver mail for a living... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. That's one of the worst job descriptions ever. No amount of career passion is worth that. Get an "any job" close to home till' something more logical comes up. And frankly. If your interested in making money as an IT monkey that was last decade. You missed the boat completely, unless you start your own IT business and hire a bunch of Cert. encrusted knuckleheads at $15/hr.

  202. Quit by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 1

    Seriously, exactly what is it about your job that makes it worth sacraficing anything resembling a personal life? I hope you don't have a family or kids and don't plan to with the schedual. your employer needs to higher more people so they can have reasonable work hours and the employees should insist on it. I mean I occosionally work 60 hour weeks , sometimes for a month , but not permanently , what would I do with the money? I'd never have time to spend it on anything fun.

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  203. Gym with in walking distance from work by pdp1144 · · Score: 1

    This is how I pulled it off. I found a gym that was with in walking distance from work. I would go in early; park my car at the gym. Do my morning workout; take a shower then walk to breakfast then work. After work I would walk back to the gym; work out again and drive home.

  204. Yes, we're heat engines. Do the math. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes.

    I personally dropped 110 pounds of bodyfat over the course of a year. The first 50 or so was straight-up exercise (2+ hours/day on exerbike while playing GTA3), then I found Hacker's Diet, did my own math from H.D. principles, and dropped the last 60 with combo exerbike (and GTA...) and caloric counting/restriction - worked great.

    In the 6 years since, I've gained about 30 of it back - entirely because I haven't been counting calories and exercising right. Started back up on HD with exercise program, have dropped 10 pounds in last 4 weeks so far.

    Our bodies are thermochemical engines. That is simple reality. Effective fat loss efforts implement the resulting math. Ineffective efforts do not.

    Everything else after that is dealing with the physical and emotional effects of suffering the pain of fat loss. Once you can deal with the suffering of fat loss (said suffering experience varying from person to person), then it's just a matter of grinding down the number your scale shows you over time until you get to your target number. For me personally, the key is to get as much sleep as possible - 8 to 10 hours a day. When I get full sleep, I can function just fine on less than 1000 calories a day. YMMV.

    Good luck, fellow fatties - may you one day join the Former Fat $gender club.

  205. Interval training works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a similar situation. Riding a bicycle is my primary form of exercise. I find that I can stay in shape by doing short, intense interval workouts on the long work days. I have got in the habit of doing the workouts right after I get home. Interval training works like this:
    10 minutes of warm up to get heart rate above 130 bpm
    2 minutes at anerobic threshold (163 bpm in my case)
    1 minute of recovery
    repeat this 5 - 8 times
    10 minutes of cool down

    in 40 minutes, you have done a work pout that will sustain your fitness level until you can get in longer calorie burning workouts on your days off.

    Also try to reduce the carbs you eat while at work. Try grapes instead of chips. Eat half a sandwhich with more lean meat and stuff. It reduces the carbs from the bread, but you put more filling in the sandwhich.

    Try to eat your carbs like rice or pasta within 1 hour after working out. In the hour after a workout, your body is going to be converting those carbs into glycogen to replace the glycogen you burned up during the work out and storing that glycogen in your muscles.

    Try to drink a lot of water, and unsweetened drinks.

    Just accept that you need to take 1 hour per day to get your system going. You can do intervals with running or swimming if ou don't bike. It is all about the intensity of the workout.

  206. Impoverished by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You cant. Like the impoverished you are now a slave to your wage. You dont have time to do anything personal, gain, health, well being.

    Of course its easy for an outsider to just say, get a new job, lift yourself out of your situation.

  207. Kettlebells by sumshine · · Score: 1

    Buy and learn how to use a kettlebell (from dragondoor), a kb workout can be as short as 5 mins. And you only need one 35# bell. Keep it in your car. Bring it to the office. I used to keep one at my desk. During long days when I couldnt go home to train, I would do a 5-10 min set of swings. KB swings offer you the best bang for your buck as far as any type training goes. Also. http://worldsstrongestlibrarian.com/542/how-to-get-stronger-at-work-while-your-boss-isnt-looking/ http://www.russiankettlebells.com/#whytrain I am not in any way affiliated with these sites...

  208. all of a sudden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my job doesn't seem so bad. prioritize. job or health.

  209. At-desk fitness machines can help by elb · · Score: 1

    A lot of this advice tells you to go out and basically create a radical lifestyle change all at once. That generally doesn't happen. Changing things like diet, exercise, spending habits, social habits, etc., tends to work best if you slowly make small changes.

    Lots of people find that diet / exercise tracking software can help them meet goals. I have a few friends using MyFoodDiary.com, and I like it pretty well. It does a nice job of giving you warm fuzzies for doing the right thing (fiber, produce, low cholesterol, etc.).

    Exercise is really really important. It tends to improve mood and focus. It improves your cholesterol profile. Current thinking is that being fit is more important to overall health than being at the proper weight. So your goal is to get more exercise into your daily life. From what I understand, you can do this in 6 minutes every few days; you can walk 10,000 paces (about 5 miles per day), or do something in between.

    Personally (I'm in IT too) I find it really hard to regularly go to the gym, and I hate the rigid schedule of having to go to the gym for 1 hour 4x per week or whatever. I like the suggestions of you doing small bursts of exercise while you're at work. In addition to strength / resistance training, how about:

    • Get a stationary bicycle that you "park" in front of your desk
    • Get an under-desk peddler like http://www.fitsugar.com/659265
    • Get a small treadmill that you can stroll on, with monitor visible, so you can respond to incoming issues

    Any of these would increase your overall activity level -- and then maybe you just have to do one strenuous exercise session on the weekend or something, like a vigorous bike ride plus weight training, or a 1x per week cycle to work.

    Oh, you could also work with a trainer who could figure out a workout for you to do while at your desk.

  210. Re: Mod parent up by GameMaster · · Score: 2, Informative

    A true geek would know that anything like BMR (such as BMI) is based on a statistically calculated average value. In this case, the BMR is based on the 3500 kcal value which is calculated based on what experimental results show to be the metabolism of the average person. The problem is that not everyone is even close to that average value. There will always be people that stray towards the extremes of humanly possible values. People with hypoglycemia can eat like crazy and never gain weight. People that make it to being among the world's fattest people, most likely, have the other extreme for a metabolism (it's one thing to get fat, but most normal people would have a hard time reaching 1000 lbs even if they tried). As I alluded to above, this is similar to how many muscular people have horrible BMI values even though they have minuscule percentages of body fat. They break the scale because it's designed to assume that the person has "average" musculature. Specifically, the military is known to make exceptions for this, specific, problem when muscle-bound applicants fail the BMI requirements for entry into the service.

    Also, the feeling of "starving" may have more to do with the quantity of food he's conditioned his body to expect rather than any feeling of stress.

    Feel free to get behind the OP in the line to turn in your geek card...

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  211. here we go, Mr. Spam! by JoeZ99 · · Score: 1

    I know you weren't looking for an answer like this. but what can I say?. I pass most of my day sitting in front of a computer, I also have a tendency to be slightly overweighted .
    I read about Montignac Diet, found the book, downloaded it, read it, got convinced by it, tried it, and now I'm a fanatic. (in the good sense). it worked. actually It's more a change of food habit than a diet "per se".
    anyway, enough with the spam. good luck with whatever you decide.

  212. What about biotechnology by Paul+Carver · · Score: 1

    Slashdot tends to attract a lot of technophobic posters who cling to "conventional wisdom" and reject new technologies and research which is weird given that it originated as a technology discussion forum.

    The most common response to an article like this is "nothing new can ever be done, eat less excercise more you fat jerk".

    I wonder why there is no discussion of biotechnology and "futuristic" developments. For example, why are my fingers numb most of the time I'm in the office? Why do I have to bundle up in so many layers in the winter and still I'm miserable for half the year? I've got plenty of food available so where is the research that biologists and doctors ought to be doing on getting my body to turn that food into heat?

    My motorcycle has a little knob on the side that I adjust ever spring and fall. When the weather gets cold I have to turn it up or the bike stalls whenever I release the throttle. When the weather gets warm I turn it back down because the bike burns more gas with it turned up.

    So where's my little knob to adjust my own body's temperature regulation? I'm supposed to be warm blooded aren't I? Why should my body pack on pounds when I'm sitting in a 65 degree room feeling miserable and wishing I weren't so cold? And how about those muscles, why do they increase in strength so slowly as I lift weights regularly but lose strength so quickly?

    It took several months of doing squats to increase my ability from 135 to 205 but then I got busy for two weeks and I lost practically all the gains I made over 3+ months. Where's the research into engineering the human body to make better use of the ample food supply? Why is it considered "normal" for my body to behave like a prehistoric cave man packing on every ounce of fat possible at the expense of comfort despite the fact that I haven't faced a lack of food or risk of starvation in 30+ years.

    Why are so many Slashdot posters so eager to accept the status quo and think that the human body can never be improved and we're stuck with these prehistoric "verge of starvation" responses to caloric intake and expenditure.

  213. 20 Pushups an hour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We do 20 pushups an hour:

    http://www.delphicsage.com/home/blog.aspx/d=534/title=20_pushups_an_Hour

  214. Bike to work then quit job when your brain catches by rusl · · Score: 1

    A keen mind and keen body go hand in hand. Tech work is often exploitive. In reality it is not so dramatically different from any other kind of work that going for such long periods is excusable. Tech workers need to organise themselves. If anything you need MORE breaks in tech work as the physical situation is so limiting.

    Don't listen to nonsense about cutting calories. Diets are an industry of lies built on lowering self-image. Same with "working out." We should use our bodies regularly, not just exercise (practice) using them. FAT!SO? by Marilyn Wnad is a great book full of good ideas if you need more deprogramming in that department.

    Ride your bike and use that time to clear your head. Increased blood flow helps mental agility. You will realise that you are more valuable than to be exploited in this way. If the company really needs you THAT much then they need you enough to give you decent hours. And if they don't want to give you that they are cruel jerks who you should get as far away from as possible.

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  215. This working mom figured it out by MushingBits · · Score: 1

    Make a sensible, rational exercise and eating plan and just go for it. I recommend at least browsing through Triathloning for Ordinary Mortals by Jonas even if you have zero interest in tris per se. If you've got an hour at lunch, you can get in 45 minutes of quality exercise every work day, and you can make VERY good progress with just that + longer session(s) on the weekend if you keep them fairly high intensity. And ditto to all the posters talking about walking, stretching, doing quick body weight reps between calls in the halls or wherever. Oh, and if you're ever watching TV, you've got time- it's simply a matter of choosing not to sit.

    You will have to be ruthlessly organized to get the most out of your time. Pack a bag with everything you need in the morning and leave the essentials in it all the time. Fruit, yogurt, energy bars, raw veg, etc. can be thrown down the hatch every 2-3 hours fairly unobtrusively- get stocked up on the weekend. And remember that alcohol cleaner can do more than just your hands and dries very, very quickly.

    Lastly, I guess beggars can't be choosers- especially these days- so I'm sympathetic... but I just don't see how you're going to be able to keep up that schedule long term. Even if you can physically survive the grind, humans have social needs that are every bit as real as sleeping and eating, and to be honest exercise is going to be vastly easier to shoehorn in than people.

  216. My two cents by Lordofthestorm · · Score: 1

    Note: sorry if any of this is badly formatted, I don't post often

    Health is a broad topic and it really comes down to what you're actually trying to achieve, 'staying in shape' is a really broad area (gain lean mass, reduce heart risk, age well, endurance, fast-twitch response, weekend athlete, don't throw my back out doing the lawn, etc), however, here's some general advice on overall directions:

    Focus: Work can bring you down, and when you're sitting down it can be hard to focus (or the opposite, if you've ever done a 10 hr marathon coding session, looked up and said 'damn'), relax, or keep a stable mental state (depending on your user base) ~ http://www.guidetopsychology.com/autogen.htm ~ is one method of staying focused and giving yourself the reinforcement that will help with the other steps (you can get it down to about 3 minutes front to back by the end of the cycle).

    Nutrition: Other than a balanced diet (there's too much info on google to address that here) a good vitamin pack ~ http://antiaging-systems.com/a2z/beyondchelation.htm ~ can go a long way to stabilizing your diet and 'rounding off the rough edges'. I like the chelating package because it helps cleanse some of the crap that gets into the food lifecycle out of our system.

    At work exercise: http://www.amazon.com/Isometric-Power-Revolution-Mastering-Lifelong/dp/1932458506 ~ is a solid reference on isometric exercises (many of which can be done at work) - optimally spread out throughout your shift (and some can be done discretely on an hourly basis). There are many isometric references out there so if you find this trend working for you then you should continue to do research until you find a series (with variations) that meets your specific (and evolving) needs.

    Day off exercise: 2-3 30m cardio sessions are good, but I also recommend 1-2 yoga sessions as well (or in place of perhaps). Yoga is an excellent method of flushing your lymphatic system and has solid health benefits for arterial plasticity as well (make sure you do your own research however), a good at home example guide is: http://www.amazon.com/Bikrams-Beginning-Class-Second-Edtion/dp/1585420204/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1246481279&sr=1-1

    You can get the info in the books above on the internet as well, but I like books for my library. The above require the lowest investment in equipment that I've seen and still allow for considerable improvement and variation. There's no magic pill here, you have to really define what you want to achieve and keep learning to adapt your regime to your lifestyle/goals. Keep in mind there's a difference been an 'optimum' workout strategy and 'making a difference'. Doing 5 minutes of isometrics or a breathing exercise or two every hour at work isn't an optimum way to build muscle, but every little bit helps.

    Best of luck

  217. 8 minute workout by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a total gym and work out 8 minutes per day utilizing all the major muscle groups. Eat less. Drink lots of water.

  218. Simple math... by ewilts · · Score: 1

    As an IT guy, you can appreciate basic math. If you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. If you burn more than you eat, you will lose weight. Eat the right foods that aren't just a waste of calories - there are a gazillion references to what these are. Don't eat more than you can burn. If somebody brings in donuts at work, take a pass. Drink lots of water, not caffeine-laced drinks. Take the stairs instead of the elevator. Park at the parking spot the farthest away from the door. Remember, you have to burn calories and every calorie helps. You can also search online (wikihow for example) for lots of exercises that you can do while sitting at your desk or while driving.

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  219. Simliar Situation by RManning · · Score: 1

    I'm in in a similar situation. I work two jobs plus school which means I'm away from home 14 to 16 hours every week day. A year ago I was a flabby 250 lbs. Today I'm a fit 180 lbs (I'm 6'3"). How? First, if you're not working out as much you should be eating less. I have a program on my Treo that I use to track my daily caloric intake and expenditures. If weight is your biggest concern, that's all you need. Seriously, your metabolism has nothing to do with it. Eventually you'll get used to the right amount of food for your activity level and you can stop counting every calorie.

    If you're also looking to be fit you should sneak in a little bit of exercise. For me, I do pushups, situps, and pullups every morning. It only takes maybe 10 minutes to do, which anyone can fit into their morning routine. I have an exercise ball for the situps and a bar for the pullups - less then $50 for the whole setup. I also go to the gym every Saturday in the early afternoon. I'm usually still exhausted from the week, so I never make this trip optional for myself.

    That's it. It really is just a matter of squeezing a few minutes a day and watching what you eat. Good luck.

  220. That's a tough situation by sonciwind · · Score: 1

    Your schedule basically means you cannot work out on days you work. You can do yourself a lot of good by working out vigorously for 1 to 2 hours on the days you do have off. Finding an extremely demanding sport like singles tennis, mountain biking or skateboarding, that really puts a strain on you cardiovascularly will help boost your metabolism through out the week. Weight lifting is your other friend, doing real strenuous intense weight lifting on the weekends will help you also. You'll be burning calories as your muscles rebuild. Finally, the only other thing you can address is your eating habits. Any sugary or starchy food is going to hit you hardest, next is other high calorie foods like fats and meats. You can fill up on raw and cooked whole vegetables and raw fruits. Cut out all prepackages foods and snacks. If all that fails metha-amphetamines is your only recourse. You could just be happy being fat, too.

  221. Costs of 12 Hour Shift by hackus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I hope you have excellent health insurance because your going to need it.

    Otherwise, dump the 12 hour schedule and the job, and let some other poor sucker get heart disease or diabetes.

    Not only that, your skill sets are declining.

    When you go to a I.T. job you deal with the same equipment and same issues everyday. That is OK if you are just starting out, but if you are 2 years into the job, start looking for a different job once you get the idea of this one.

    After you get some experience start your own private practice and make your own time to exercise.

    I can't remember the last time I worked 12 hours, and if I did it was because of some disaster, or a boss that could not plan his time correctly, which I fired. (Got a different boss.) I usually work 10 hours with lunch.

    I hope to god you are only working like 4 day weeks as even blue collar people I know do not work those sorts of hours and you better be making huge amounts of cash.

    I bill out at $120 an hour right now for a typical 40-50 hour week.

    -Hack

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  222. Read The South Beach Diet by wonkavader · · Score: 1

    You don't have to follow it. Just read it. It's very short. Most of the book is recipes, which you can ignore. You can read it at Borders over a cuppa.

    Fiber, glycemic index, etc. Full of reasonable diet info. It won't keep you very thin, but it'll arm you understanding your diet and how you can control it.

  223. Prisoners do it by Noexit · · Score: 1

    Look into some type of prison workout with body weight exercises. You could work those in during breaks, lunch, bathroom trips, whenever. Now, if you don't get breaks, lunch or bathroom trips, then why the hell are you working in such a piss-poor circumstance anyway? You'll die young at that age regardless of what you try to do.

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  224. Discipline by lymond01 · · Score: 1

    See subject. Everyone spells it out in different ways, but basically, exercising is a way of life, like making your bed, or flossing at night. You do it or you don't, but the more you do it, the easier it gets and the more a natural part of your life it becomes. No longer feels like effort. You say you have no time, but that's never true -- you have 10 free hours a day. Use 45 minutes of one of those to run, do some situps, pushups, and some curls or shoulder exercises with one of those rubber band things. Even at work, instead of playing cards with your buddies during those 3 AM breaks, tell 'em you're going for a run, or just to exercise.

    Nike was right. Just do it. Gets easier.

  225. power your desktop by ca111a · · Score: 1

    by a generator driven by a stationary bicycle

  226. Separate agendas: lose weight 1st, then excercise by Radtastic · · Score: 1

    First, tackle weight loss. Most people's metabolism can do this on a low glycemic index ("low carb") diet with no exercise. Your heart will still reward you for not carrying the extra body mass

    You should be able to maintain your weight this way. Then, add exercise, primarily cardio. Look for opportunies to get incremental exercise. Park at the back of the lot. Use the stairs instead of the escalator. Get out of the office at lunch or breaktime for a walk. Find a set of stairs and do a couple of flights a few times a day. And on your days off, get your workouts in the morning before you come OBE (overcome by events) later in the day.

    But honestly, I think you need a new job / lifestyle. What are you living for? I hope you're squirreling money away for leisure time later, otherwise you're just grinding your life away (as another poster put it.)

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  227. Pick two.... by kungfoofool · · Score: 1

    [ ] Your Health
    [ ] Your Family
    [ ] Your Job

  228. This is a will power thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pick up all the loose change you can, park farther away and walk a bit more, always take the stairs, don't delay a walk across the building until you can take care of 2 tasks at once just go over twice... walk to lunch.

    Second, either first thing in the morning or last thing at night, exercise. Wake up 20 or 30 minutes earlier and start working out, you'll be amazed at how hard it is at first but how dramatically better your day will be. Stop watching TV, stop screwing around on slashdot, cut back on the xbox or whatever, or sleep 20 to 30 minutes less. Then on your off days and weekends, do like a 2-3 hours of decent physical activity, go on a hike, do something.

    There is a giant difference between feeling like not exercising and not having the ability to do so. Put yourself first, it's your body and your life, nobody else is going to make the time for you, you just have to start doing it. Personally, there is something very very satisfying exercising in the morning before I do anything else, before I even give a shit about the news I take care of my body; you deserve it too.

  229. Pick up a book or two... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pick up a book or two detailing exercises that don't require you to have anything other than your own body.

    I'd recommend you learn what Qigong is, and learn Da-Mo Wai Dan sets. Xingyiquan Wai Dan sets are really good too - you don't need to have more room than you'd have in a small office.
    Solo Taijiquan can be very rigorous depending on your posture/how low you squat in your movements. There are many Chinese martial art exercise sets that were *specifically* created with this kind of situation in mind, for incumbent monks that did not travel outside the monastery and had other daily work keeping them busy. Long fist, and Shaolin Lohan sets are good in this situation. I suggest you do some digging - there are a lot of good self-instructional books out there where you can (reasonably well) learn and practice these kinds of exercise sets from. Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming with YMAA press have put out a lot of good reference material in both print and DVD form.

    Finally, there are isometric exercises you can perform even while sitting, standing, etc. They work. Isometric exercise books from John Peterson are good references for that. All of these things work, and work extremely well - but give you exactly what you put into it.

  230. Crossfit by Ajaxamander · · Score: 1

    Find a Crossfit affiliate gym somewhere near your office and go there over whatever lunch break you get 3 days a week. Classes are an hour (20 W/U, 20 WOD, 20 W/D) and you'll end up in the best shape of your life.

    http://www.crossfit.com/cf-affiliates/

    Plus it's kinda like "Open Source" exercise... they publish workouts for free, but you pay for support (a gym to do it at if you so wish... and in this case, you do)

  231. Don't Listen to Anyone Else on this Thread by Kintanon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most of them are going to give you advice you can't implement. I understand where you're coming from and I can actually help you as long as you don't mind the possibility of looking slightly foolish at work.

    You work 12 hours a day. I know that you aren't continuously engaged in productive work. No one is. So start there. Every 3 hours take a 15 minute break and do the following:

    Set a timer for 5 minutes then do:
    100x Jumping Jacks
    50x Pushups
    50x Bodyweight Squats
    50x Leg Raises
    50x Crunches,
    50x Russian twists (Russian twist is going halfway up in a crunch, then turning left to right, each direction is one)

    When you first start out you will probably not finish this in 5 minutes. It doesn't matter. Stop at 5 minutes. Go get some water, walk around for 5 minutes and catch your breath.
    Now go eat an apple and a handful of peanuts or sunflower seeds or some other healthy snack.

    When you eat lunch eat a sandwhich, or a big salad, or a chicken breast, not a bigmac or a whole cheese pizza. Keep a GENERAL IDEA of how many calories you are eatting and keep it somewhere in the 1600-1700 range. You don't have to be precise here, just don't knock down the Triple Whopper and you should be ok.

    Do NOT drink sodas. You drink WATER. Nothing else. Vitamin Water or Life Water is acceptable, Powerade and Gatorade are not.

    Coffee is acceptable, but not recommended.

    Eat every 3 hours, a smallish meal, approximately 6 times a day. Your target is an average of 300 calories per meal, but it's flexible.

    And if you want to know what makes me qualified to give this advice and why you should listen to me:

    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kintanon&search_type=

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  232. Workout at work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you working at 100% every minute of every shift? Take out 10 minutes and do some sit ups. Another 10 minutes somewhere doing pushups. Another 10 minutes doing stretches. Replace any of these exercises with the ones of your choice (take some small weights to work?) and you've got your recommended half an hour per day. Granted, you're supposed to do half an hour straight but 3 x 10 minutes is better than a kick in the face.

  233. Think about your advantages instead of excuses... by TheCage · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You list about 10 disadvantages in your question. Why not focus on your advantages instead?

    - You have 2-3 days off per week (Great time to exercise!)
    - You work in an office (Every one I've been to has a fridge/microwave that can be used to store healthy foods).
    - You probably have a lot of down time at work (Why not do push ups or run around? I used to think this would look silly in the office until I realized that being fat looks far sillier and letting others determine my success was foolish.

    I bet you could list a lot more yourself, like maybe you really enjoy playing a certain sport

    You will NEVER be succeed with your current attitude.

  234. control your appetite by _peter · · Score: 1

    Check out the Shangri-La Diet, at sethroberts.net. Trick yourself into being less hungry.

    Easy to try, and it's worked for me, as well as a heck of a lot of people on their forums.

    You don't need the book, it's more an explanation of why it works. Just get some extra-light olive oil and start by taking a tablespoon in the middle of a 2-hour taste-free window (no gum, no toothpaste, no cigs, no food, no soda).

    FAQ post at forums: http://boards.sethroberts.net/index.php?topic=3398.0

  235. Lots of can'ts by oneunixguy · · Score: 1

    Seems that all those can'ts are more likely won'ts. I work long hours and I can tell you diet is more important than exercise. I've moved to a low-carb diet with very little exercise and have lost 45lbs in 5 weeks. If you want results, those can'ts need to be wills.

  236. Ideas! by atramentum · · Score: 0

    Smoke cigarettes. If you're unsure on whether this is a good idea, consult Bill Hicks (rather, his recordings - he is dead). Also put a lot of sugar in your coffee to get your ATP, and then drink it all day to block your AMP. This also keeps something in your stomach. When you get hungry, drink more of it. Maybe eat lunch but not breakfast, and then have a small dinner, but stay busy to avoid vegetation. Don't forget beer or eggs for protein, multivitamins, iodized salt. Try to sleep on a predictable schedule, even if it's just 5-7 hours. Back in the day when I was working general support, I was hauling computers everywhere, which helps. Just carry a mid-tower around with you all day, and then occasionally open the case and close it - just for exercise...

  237. a consideration: sleep / energy balance by fool · · Score: 1

    i understand that you need sleep to function. i posit that it might be the case that you need *less* sleep for the same amount of function (energy, alertness), if physical activity was part of your day. i know it's the case for me that there are 3 factors i can tune and a couple i can't that affect how much sleep a "rested" me needs (not nodding off at work, in good spirits by default).

    tunables:
    - amount of intoxicants i consume. alcohol is not the worst offender here. can make a difference of up to +2 hours in my "how long do i sleep before i wake up naturally" number
    - getting some exercise: at about 45 minutes, i take an hour off needed sleep to feel right. it also serves similar to a cup of coffee--doing it at 4am will rarely leave me able to sleep before 6am.

    untunables:
    - sickness
    - stress
    both lead to more sleep needed, or less good sleep being gotten in the same amount of time.

    i am a sounds sleeper, so the following statement doesn't apply. but perhaps it is relevant to your situation, even if you've never realized it? are you getting good sleep? do you have apnea, do you have a dark room, a comfy relaxing bed, a quiet place? could be that moving off the main street would be all it takes for 6 hours of sleep to feel as good as 8.

    luck++;

  238. Stop making excuses? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You got 2-3 days of NO WORK. Do 60-90 minutes of a high intensity workout and those days and you will be fine.

  239. Hotel? by krusaderx · · Score: 1

    Since your commute is killing your time, and your car (assuming you're not commuting on a train) - consider staying in a hotel near work with a workout room a few times a week. You basically save your commute from and to work, giving you 3 hours back with which to workout, and with the savings to wear and tear on your car, and the gas used, it'll at least subsidize the hotel stays. Canceling an existing gym membership might also drop the total cost to where so many hotel stays a month becomes a monetary wash. Anyway, with working so many hours, you can probably afford to spend a bit on fitness.

  240. How I'm trying it: Half-rations and exercise by timothy · · Score: 1

    This topic's been on my mind, so I have a longish / digressive comment. Read at your own risk!

    My constraints aren't exactly the same, but I'm lazy, find it easy to sleep too much, eat WAY too much, and exercise too little -- and would like to lose some weight. (5'10" or just over, around 190 lbs.) I realize that something has to give. My arbitrary goal is to shed 10 lbs over the next month; some people say that's a lot, but I'm not aiming for 10 lbs *every* month, and I'm not concerned about the number except that it would be a cool one to reach. I won't tear my hear out if that's not the final result, etc; I want to just get healthier in my intake / outgo of calories, to fit my pants better, etc.

    My approach, which is neither well-tested yet, nor especially scientific (but seems like it should work), is basically to do simple things that I can't give up on the basis of complication (like counting foods to the molecule, keeping super-careful exercise notes, etc).

    This is not exact, but I'm essentially trying to estimate what I *would* eat (unconstrained, as in "how I've eaten for 34 years") and select approximately half of that much, for any given meal / day. I know I'll go over sometimes (which is fine, if the overall reduction is still substantial), and I hope to sometimes go under, in order to get used to not being completely sated.

    For instance, here's my lunch today: https://slashdot.org/~timothy/journal/232517

    It's not starving myself, I realize (and try to tell myself), but it's also about a third (maybe a quarter) of what I would ordinarily eat. Getting used to a smaller amount is tough; since I'm only a few days in to the current project of eating better / smarter, I hope it gets a bit easier.

    I am pondering the Tim Ferris advice to eat whatever I want one day a week (probably Sunday); perhaps that's just seductive nonsense; I suspect that coarse analogies about the body ratcheting down to account for lower calorie intake are ... well, coarse. There might be something to it, but it seems like a case where the model may eclipse that which is being modeled, leading to the physiological equivalent of spurious precision in math. However, I can also see it as a psychological aid -- if I eat my old norm once a week, then it means I've still cut down substantially.

    wrt exercise: I have been jogging / walking (more walking than jogging, though yesterday was nearly equal between the two) in an attempt to be less of a slug, get the aerobic exercise going, etc. I find running boring, and have never in my life experienced the "runner's high," don't expect to. However, it's still satisfying to know that I've completed a few miles without dying. I use the time partly to listen to interesting podcasts, too. Uptempo Bach, or Clash, or New Order ... I don't listen to music as general background sounds very much, but with exercise, it seems to help distract from pain, and provides some rhythm. Maybe should try some old-time work songs, incl. sea shanties :) *Pure* running, with no distractions, though? I am amazed that anyone does it for pleasure, even though I admire the athleticism and determination of my friends who run long distances.

    In truth, I'm still evaluating running as exercise; the satisfaction from it is pretty good, esp. since my starting point is so low that running 1/4 mile feels like I've accomplished something great, even though that's precisely diddly/squat to people who actually run. However, besides being pretty boring, it's not great on the joints, and not as calorie intensive as, say, swimming. Good things, though, are that a) the equipment is right (and here in Seattle, it's decent weather for it most of the year) and b) I like the fact that tracks are measured in nice little increments, so I can fairly say "OK

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  241. Short Answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quit.
    Those are unhealthy work conditions, no matter how you work out the math. You cannot live a healthy lifestyle while working 12 hour night shifts.
    The choice here is very simple: Your health, or your job.

  242. +1 Martial Arts by turing_m · · Score: 1

    Every Mixed Martial Arts club (usually offering some mix of BJJ, MT, boxing, wrestling, judo) I have seen offers classes or open mats at least 6 days per week. This guy has minimum 2-3 days per week. That's all he needs. He just has to make a rule that every day he has off, he goes to his club, aiming for 3 days per week min.

    If you pick something with some live sparring (e.g. any component sport of MMA as opposed to Traditional Martial Arts (TMA)), you will get in shape, guaranteed. If both people sparring are wanting to win (which is natural), there is no choice but for the level of energy output to be high enough to provide good exercise (and it will be at 100% at the beginning). Another way to gauge this is to look at the members of the club. Are there few fat slobs in among the belts higher than the first? If there aren't many (of course, some will have come back after taking an extended hiatus), that's a good sign. I'm not as familiar with the various TMA other than karate, but if it has more than a 10-20% max slob/stud ratio, it may not be intense enough.

    Choose something where you are not going to be whacked in the head (e.g. if you do any boxing or MT, no head contact) so that you don't end up feeling the brain damage in 10-15 years. You make your living from your brain and damaging it is not an option. Or just do something grappling based - BJJ, Judo, wrestling (freestyle, greco, folkstyle, college). If you want to save money and live in North America, you could probably just train wrestling at your local high school.

    I find that of those people who stick to BJJ, many/most of them are intelligent people. A lot of college graduates, people in IT, academics, etc. You almost have to have a good memory to learn all the different moves required to play the game and recall those moves as required, and their counters. Becoming somewhat competent takes hundreds of hours, excellent requires thousands. But the upside of this is that you will probably never get bored. BJJ is a very cerebral activity, which those in IT can appreciate. It's continuous problem solving. If you can get addicted to RTS games, chess or anything like that, you can get addicted to BJJ (pitting strength against weakness, recognizing openings, tricking the opponent, recognizing when to give 100% output and when to conserve energy).

    It also offers something for the RPG gamer - the endless progress, gaining new abilities. Instead of monsters of varying strength, you have people in class who you can gauge your abilities against. As long as you are intelligent about how you measure your progress (e.g. time to get submitted versus someone better, a submission against someone of equal talent, or maybe minimum energy output required to submit someone of lesser ability), you can see progress and it will motivate you. Even learning new moves and pulling them off is a form of advancement, kind of like getting proficiencies in an RPG.

    Of course, it will suck in the beginning. You will wonder why on earth you ever started. You will feel like the biggest fish out of water. But give it 3 months, if you last that long you will probably get hooked. The bonus is that you get yourself addicted to an exercise where you aren't counting the clock until it finishes.

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    1. Re:+1 Martial Arts by dave562 · · Score: 1

      You make some good points about martial arts training. I'm not sure they are a good place to start though. Systems like BJJ are very technical systems, and they are focused on training for competition. While that is good, it does not provide the fundamental body strengthening and training that develops physical fitness. The real problem with trying to use martial arts to get in shape is that by far, the majority of martial arts places are of very low quality. Most of the people I know who train BJJ are already in shape. They spend time at the gym. They go running. The time that they spend at the school learning their BJJ is just a small component of their overall routine. The other downside to training BJJ or any other MMA is that it is really easy to get hurt. Joint locks and manipulations are a good way to tweak tendons and pull muscles. Those injuries take a while to heal, and will definitely discourage training.

    2. Re:+1 Martial Arts by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      It also offers something for the RPG gamer - the endless progress, gaining new abilities. Instead of monsters of varying strength, you have people in class who you can gauge your abilities against. As long as you are intelligent about how you measure your progress (e.g. time to get submitted versus someone better, a submission against someone of equal talent, or maybe minimum energy output required to submit someone of lesser ability), you can see progress and it will motivate you. Even learning new moves and pulling them off is a form of advancement, kind of like getting proficiencies in an RPG.

      turing_m has defeated Bruno the Bruiser.
      Experience increases by 400.
      Gold increases by 10.

      turing_m has gained a level!
      Strength +3
      Agility +1
      turing_m has learned Flying Monkey Strike!

  243. Tell them to sod off by clare-ents · · Score: 1

    Utilise your right to work no more than 48 hours / week under the EU working time directive.

    If you can't, I suggest you change country.

    In the civilised world we've figured out this is bad for you and we guarantee your right not to be exploited in the way you are.

    Oh, while you're at it, get a legal minimum of 28 days / year holiday - that's the *lowest* in the EU.

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    1. Re:Tell them to sod off by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Do we also get to have your tax rate and social problems?

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  244. quit. That's the only solution I've found. Find a job with flex time so you can create a practical workout schedule during your day.

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  245. Its simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's simple... Get a new job! Get a job in which you don't have ridiculous work hours and don't have to commute 1.5hrs.

  246. find a private place and do some push ups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a private conference room or find a private place at work and do 50 push-ups everyday like I do.

  247. Don't Take An Hour To Get Ready? by redcore · · Score: 1

    "throw in almost an hour to get ready to leave" - why not start getting your stuff ready before you're off work and have your workout stuff ready to go? I prefer to have my workout bag ready to go the night before so I don't have to spend so much time in the morning getting ready. Isn't that why parents help their kids set out their clothes the night before? Makes it easier...and hopefully it would get you into a healthy habit of being prepared and not wasting so much time being lethargic.

  248. Go slow, learn how your body works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you don't know how your body works best then you need to learn. No exercise, diet, weight loss plan out there will do you good unless it works for you. What works good for one person won't work good for another. Each and every person is an individual with different circumstances. Take a look at what you're currently doing activity wise and putting into your body energy wise. If you're tethered to your chair for the whole time of your shift and cannot break away, you'll have to find a time that best suits some form of physical activity. If you find yourself munching on food throughout the day because of the lack of ability to get out of your chair, make sure it's healthier food. Find time to do anything you can. Five minutes per day is better than 0. Eight minutes is better than the 5. Make conscience efforts to change and stick with it irregardless. Don't set too high of goals right away. Aim high enough to be attainable but not too hard to reach. Something you know you can do. Like set a goal to lose 2lbs and THEN maintain the loss for a week. It's so easy to lose it and then fall back into old habits. Also don't deny yourself simple pleasures. That's where every single diet will fail, but be cautious. If your normal breakfast is 3 donuts and 2 cups of coffee and a candybar, cut out the candybar or 1 donut. Minor changes over a long period of time, constantly updating is easier on the psyche and a much smoother way to transitioning out of bad habits. Most importantly, listen to your body though. If you're constantly hungry, find satisfying foods that will curb the hunger pains while giving you nutrition. If your body works better on 3 large meals vs 10 small snack sized meals throughout the day, listen to it.

  249. check your thyroid, then make time to exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get tested for hypothyroidism if you have not yet done so. Also possibly diabetes. These can both affect weight gain.

    Other than that, as other posters have said, you'll have to work it in to your day. You probably live too far away to bike commute the whole distance, but you may be able to park the car a reasonable distance from the office and bike the rest of the way in. Do a search for bike commuting to get ideas on how to deal with the logistics of clothing, cleanliness, etc.

  250. Work the workout into your work schedule. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

    Hi there.

    I used to weigh 250 pounds. I now weigh 165. All the weight I've lost was fat, caused by eating too much and not exercising.

    What worked for me was cycling to work. I end up burning 800+ extra calories each day, and it adds just 15 minutes to my daily routine. (It's a 25km daily ride.) Yes, I also drop kids off at daycare.

    The question of you being an hour away - is that due to traffic or distance? If it's distance, then this probably wouldn't work for you. If it's traffic, you'll end up getting to work faster.

    Otherwise, you have 3 other days in the week to exercise. Do it or die early.

    Oh, and cut out the soda. That'll add mass faster than a black hole.

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  251. Bicycle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Commute by Bicycle.
    Rain or Shine

  252. Since there's no Edit function for comments ... ;) by timothy · · Score: 1

    a) typo in there. You can read it as "I won't tear my hair out," or, at your option, "I won't tear my heart out." Both are true!

    b) Also trying to remember to take a multivitamin each day. Mine are shaped like little animals, with some sort of shape I can't make out -- perhaps bears, since they come from a container shaped like a bear. Until someone gives me compelling evidence that kids' vitamins are any worse than the adult kind, nyeah nyeah nyeah nyeah.

    c) Echoing practically everyone else: water. I find water boring, I crave sugar and fruit flavor, but I know that's where a lot of my calories come from -- delicious drinks with tons of sugar. Whether or not you believe the conventional wisdom that HFCS is especially bad (I'm skeptical, but not a food scientist, medical doctor, or Merlin), there's certainly a lot of sugar there. Adding lime / lemon wedges helps, even though it won't turn water into wine, or even fruit punch.

    I know water by itself will drive me a bits buts; therefore, I'm allocating to myself, on ordinary days, 8 ounces of orange juice. OJ is about 15 calories an ounce (less than I'd expected), has vitamin C, and tastes pretty good even diluted to 1/3 water.

    Have not had any coffee or tea in a little while, but that's not doctrine, just fact; I might have some coffee (today, even), but with very little or zero sweetener.

    timothy

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  253. 24 hours in a day by ghislain_leblanc · · Score: 1

    Looking at the previous comments, everyone seems to agree that there are only 24 hours in any given day. Staying in shape takes about 1 of those 24 hours about every other day. In the end it's all about choices. Is it really worth it sacrificing your health for some shity night shift?

    Ok, not that helpfull...

    You say you need time to "unwind", well my friend, to me anyway; working out IS unwinding. It makes even the most stressful day seem a little bit better just knowing that I still managed to do something good for ME. It's also been demonstrated (citation needed) that healthy people get promoted faster, talk about killing two birds with one stone... Taking your health seriously could indirectly get you out of that shitty job one day!

  254. As Stewie would say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whether you think you can or can't...you're right.

  255. Gamercize, anyone? by fieldstone · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one seems to have mentioned a solution I tried - get yourself an under-desk mini stepper or bike, along with a non-rolling chair, and you can pedal or step away while you sit at your desk. Even if you're only doing it very slowly, doing it for hours will certainly help you lose weight, and probably get you in better shape than you're in now.

  256. Just get fat by Dog+Face+69 · · Score: 1

    I have a sedentary job with very long hours. I just let myself get fat. It isn't that bad, really.

  257. With hours like these... by pongo000 · · Score: 1

    So, how does somebody who works a minimum of 60 hours over 4 days, often adding another 12 another day, and sometimes working 7-10 days straight like this, stay in shape?

    ...you'll die of the deleterious effects of working far too many hours before your health is impacted by lack of exercise. Seriously, dude: You've got bigger things to worry about with a 72-hour workweek than when you're going to squeeze in a jog.

  258. time-efficient workout by hhnerkopfabbeisser · · Score: 1

    The best option I see is to work out efficiently. Most of the popular stuff wastes your time.

    For strength-training, avoid isolation-exercises. They are designed to train as few muscles as possible. Unfortunately the design is successful, they train as little as possible. Prefer compound-exercises that train many muscles in one go.

    For fat-loss, long cardio-workouts are overrated. Short, intense workouts save lots of time and even work better. The Tabata-protocol works pretty well with workouts of just 4 minutes (8 intervals of 20 seconds of intense exercise followed by 10 seconds of rest) and has a scientific study to back up that claim.

    One possible workout would be a regimen of push-ups and pull-ups for strength and warm-up followed by five minutes of kettlebell-swings (possibly in Tabata-style intervals) plus a gentle cool-down. The whole thing is over in 10 or 12 minutes and will do wonders if done about three or four times a week.

  259. Wanna Lose Weight? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EAT DIRT!

  260. Pretend to take up smoking by searchr · · Score: 1

    For some reason, smokers get four or five 10-15 minute smoke breaks a day, outside of the normal break schedule (this holds even more true if the boss is a smoker). So claim smoking, then string all your alotted smoke breaks together, and go to the gym for an hour mid-day, or split it with a 30 minute walk/run, and a 30 minute self-directed calisthenic workout. A fake unhealthy habit is your ticket to good health!

    1. Re:Pretend to take up smoking by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Or take the 15 minutes to kick out 40 sit-upd and push ups. Do that 4 times a day.

      Of course, this won't slove the issue, which is eating more then you need.
      I also suggest a 20 grams of fat a day diet. That got me doen 30 pounds i a few months, and I hope to have lost 60 total by years end.

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  261. start with a stopwatch... by clawsonb · · Score: 1

    place two terminals on the far sides of the building then for every new task switch terminals and run between them! Work harder not smarter!

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  262. Staying in shape and improving by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    Just eat candies, meat, fast food meals, and do the minimal exercise. That way you not only will keep your shape, will improve it till it gets perfectly round.

  263. Activity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in a similar situation, I have actually managed to lose weight by doing the following.

    - Listen to dance music and tap your feet, hands etc, it keeps your heart rate up and your metabolism going. If you can't listen to music then just tap your feet to an imaginary beat.
    - Walk to talk to people rather than ringing them on the phone.
    - Frequent small meals rather than large meals.
    - Don't eat anything after 2 hours before you go to bed.
    - Have your biggest meals at the start of the day and get progressively smaller as the day goes on. Dinner should just be a snack not a full meal.

    I lost 15kg following this without stepping a foot in the gym.

  264. blago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a life, get another job. Seriously...

  265. Speaking of Miracle Solutions by klenwell · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You may also want to look at this:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/can-you-get-fit-in-six-minutes-a-week/?em

    Even 6 minutes a week, with the breaks described and the equipment, may be more than is possible for you. But you're going to need to find some kind of optimization obviously.

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    Innovation makes enemies of all those who prospered under the old regime... -- Machiavelli
  266. Polyphasic Sleep by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Helpful timetable: http://xkcd.com/320/

    I didn't realise people had actually tried it :)

    It's not clear to me how this actually *gains* you time. Sure, you have 4 extra hours a day, but there's now only 6 days in a week. The number of hours in a week obviously doesn't change, so you can't magic extra hours out of nothing. The extra hours staying up awake is compensated by sleeping for longer (unless there is evidence to suggest that people don't need to sleep extra on this cycle?) My understanding was the benefits weren't more time overall, but that it fits in better with people's desire to stay up later each day, as well as meaning you can go out all night on weekends (but it doesn't sound like the person here has much time for partying...)

    If he really wants a sleep pattern that gives him vastly more time, then he might like to look into polyphasic sleep patterns, which involves only taking short (e.g., 30 minutes) naps several times throughout the 24 hour period, requiring in only a few hours sleep in total each day. (I have not tried this myself, nor AFAIK is it known what the long term effects of this might be!)

    1. Re:Polyphasic Sleep by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

      I've tried things like this a few years ago, when my life was spread too thin (between heading a massive non-profit group, earning money with a 9-5 job, balancing a very active social life, commuting 90 minutes a day, working out, and wanting to play a few videogames that had struck me as interesting. I tried to reduce my sleep time to 7 hours (from 8) knowing that is still a healthy dose of sleep. I ended up reducing it to 6 hours (weekends were about 2-4 hours) and after a month or so, the results were not pretty. When going to bed, I would get some crazy, hypnogogic images flying across the room. I'd look up to see trees falling on me, huge wasps the size of cantaloups buzzing in front of my face, frogs jumping on me... and I would usually see shadows darting in my peripheral vision when I was in lighted areas, just before bedtime. It took me another month to get back in the habit of going to bed around midnight to get up at 8:00 in the morning, but it was totally worth it.

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    2. Re:Polyphasic Sleep by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      it does not gain time per se (obviously). it gains you organization by consolidating 7 days into 6. also it does gain fractionally more waking hours, provide you can stand it, like your mom.

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      Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
  267. Your employer is killing you by wsanders · · Score: 1

    I know it's not easy in a down economy, but starting immediately, look for something else before you die from this schedule. Your employer is killing you.

    And tell us who your employer is so I can avoid ever doing business in the future with them.

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    Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
  268. After you shorten your commute or get a new job... by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

    Take up a competitive sport, preferably something athletic such as running or bike racing. I'd imagine bike racing would have lots of geek appeal because of the level of tactics and technology involved. I'm a competitive cyclist and I can assure you that being competitive concentrates your mind in a way that the more mundane goal of 'trying to avoid gaining weight' never can. When you sign up for those races and find yourself on the starting line with your teammates, you're going to make sure that you've put in the training necessary to get in good enough shape that you can compete. You're going to want to avoid the humiliation of being dropped off the back of the pack or being dropped on a climb. That's one hell of a motivator. The part about losing weight and staying healthy just comes as an incidental by-product of the more intense need to WIN!

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  269. Exercise alternatives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone mentioned CrossFit. The workouts are often/usually less than 20 minutes, and you'll see great results. In a similar vein, read this article. It's in the same general spirit: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/can-you-get-fit-in-six-minutes-a-week/?em
    I haven't done a workout over 15 minutes in a couple months (not including warmup), and yet my endurance has improved an impressive amount. This won't prepare you for a marathon, but it'll get you in shape. The drawback is that you have to stress your system fairly dramatically in order to reap the benefits. Some people can't do that for health reasons. Others simply aren't comfortable with it. Also read up on tabatas. Do them with situps, pushups, pullups, squats (air or other), etc. Bodyweight exercises can get you fit.

    Having said that... I'd move or get a different job, as many others have suggested. However, the article doesn't indicate any unhappiness, so... maybe just cramming in quick, hard bouts of exercise three times a week or so is the way to go. Good luck!

  270. Based on what you wrote there, I would say by geekoid · · Score: 1

    you don't really want to stay in shape.
    Default human nature is to eat about 10% more then you need. This is hardwired.

    So, you hve to controll your calorie.
    Eat less fats and exercise more.
    oh and this line:
    " I can't hold a workout schedule" is lame. Of course you can.you work 12, and dless 8, you can fit a half-hour areobic esercise into that time, IF you really wanted to.

    The best suggestion I can make:
    Get a better Job. One that doesn't lways consume your time. Unless they are paying you enough to retire in 5 years.

    In the mean time, eat good food. No candy or 'snacks' At least if you are still eating enough to gain weight you are minimizing the damage to your liver, gall bladder, and pancreas.

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  271. excuses are like old diapers by CaptYossarian · · Score: 1

    they all stink and noone wants em that sounds like a regular day in a busy armory like mine. its all about time management. i love to sleep in as late as possible (0610 usually for me) so i prep my stuff to the point where when its time to get up, im out the door in a minute tops. adjust your diet to include a healthy breakfast and many small healthful snacks. if you cant find the intestinal fortitude to sacrifice some of that me time for some real productive time, then do something to up your heartrate every time you get up to get a drink, a snack, a smoke, or go to the bathroom. as mentioned earlier, find a way to get a pullup bar near you and bang out a max set every time you do something. the better shape youre in the more energy youll have and the better youll sleep, so you can use those as building blocks to help you jump outta bed and do a quick workout-maybe a mile or two on the eliptical/exercise bike (if youre not already used to working out id advise against running because its high-impact), some situps, flutter kicks, jumping jacks, pushups....the process is continuous.

  272. time to get creative at work: by siriusdogstar · · Score: 1

    get a sponge-ball to play with. stand up while working. walk around as much as possible.

  273. burpees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Burpees and kettlebells. Both require little room to do and work out the entire body. You can do them at work during some downtime.

  274. Lies by geekoid · · Score: 1

    "No longer feels like effort. "
    Bullshit, it always feels like effort. If it didn't you wouldn't need discipline to do it.

    Even Jack LaLanne talks about what a pain in the ass exercise it, and he is the exercise king.

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    1. Re:Lies by lymond01 · · Score: 1

      Not lies. Your body gets used to it, so does your mind. Jack LaLanne, I imagine, is trying to commiserate with the masses. Exercise should always be an effort; wanting to exercise doesn't have to be.

  275. Change your habits at work. by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

    Stand at your desk rather than sit. Do pushups every couple of hours. Do crunches during a 5 minute break. Do stretches as you can get 1-2 minutes. If there are stairs at the office, run up and down a flight of them for 10 minutes during a break.

    Basically, incorporate a little activity into your day while you're at work. It won't turn you into an elite athlete, but it'll help you not totally blob out.

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    Since I can't tell them apart, I treat all ACs as the same person.
  276. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe some of the responses. Read In Defense Of Food, find a new job, and stop giving your life to a fucking company. You don't need to buy any special rip-off machine to get in shape. Eat lots of plants, less meat (white included), stay away from processed fake food. Put as much variety in your diet as possible. Favor foods with fiber, good fats, and good carbs. Shun sugar like the plague. Fruits are fine, eat those. Drink lots of water throughout the day, especially in the morning. It should be the first thing you do. And for god's sake, give yourself some time to enjoy the good things in life.

  277. You're full of crap, and here is why: by geekoid · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Now go eat an apple and a handful of peanuts or sunflower seeds or some other healthy snack."

    Apples are as fatty as a piece of chicken, and peanuts and sunflowers are right out. Why don't you also recommend olives?

    Idiot.

    fat intake, try to never exceed 60G per day. Talk to a doctor about the nuber right for you. A min fat diet 20G per day will cause weight loss.

    There is nothing in that link that qualifies you to give nutrient advice.
    Don't confuse the two.

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    1. Re:You're full of crap, and here is why: by Kintanon · · Score: 1

      You're an idiot. Not all fat is bad.
      In fact, fat is a necessary part of your diet and a single apple and a handful of nuts after exercise is not going to result in too much fat in your diet. I'm a lot more intimately familiar with the practical side of nutrition than you are clearly.

      Weight loss is caused by Calories Burned > Calories Consumed. That's the only safe way to lose weight. And it's only safe if Calories Consumed is larger than the amount that triggers ketosis. If you drop all of the fat out of the diet you'll lose muscle mass, your resting calorie burn will decrease, and you will be less healthy. If you keep a reasonable percentage of fat in your diet along with carbohydrates and proteins and maintain a calorie burn higher than your intake you will lose weight.

      HOWEVER the original question wasn't about losing weight necessarily. It was about exercising and being in shape on a low time budget. Cutting fat down to 20g/day is going to do nothing good for anyone trying to exercise except make them feel sluggish and tired.

      My advice will result in a healthy, fit person. Your advice is stupid and unhealthy. But might result in a "Skinnier" person.

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  278. Here is my plan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I do about 10 reps of masturbating by night time each day.

  279. Easy by bitspotter · · Score: 1

    WORK LESS.

    If you spend so much time working that you literally can't afford to stay healthy, then YOUR WORK IS BAD FOR YOU. Don't start fooling yourself just because everybody is forced to work that much. Cut your hours.

  280. Silly kids.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The secret is methamphetamine! Start tweaking and stop eating and sleeping! Then you'll have plenty of time to work out when you get arrested and end up in prison!

    Cough, hack, spit! That was a joke!

    Stop snacking, stop sugary crap, stop chips, stop fast food. Try and get 20 minutes a day of activity as a starter and you'll be fine. If not become a vegan! LOL!

    If you are out of shape, your brain is not functioning at its best. So be a true geek and optimize your system!

    Excuse me now, I need another beer!

  281. Bodyweight workout by a gymnastics coach by Carbaholic · · Score: 1

    http://gymnasticbodies.com/

  282. Th very simples thing to do stand while you work.. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    - Burns calories
    - Avoids slouching and back pain

    You will have to convince your boss to get an adjustable table, or your co-worker(s) to stand also, or use a stool when they are at your station.

    But overall, it's cheap.

    ps- You live too far away. Those 3 hours a day ruin your plan to work out. Just getting an hour closer gives you 2 hours a day to stop at a gym on the way home and fix this. I did this for almost 9 years, first working 8 hours at a site 2.5 hrs away, and then at another site just 2 hrs away but 9.5 hours a day (don't ask). It's not pleasant, and I moved an hour closer once. Then my assignment changed and I was 1 hr away from the new site, instead of 15 mins. Grrr.

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    deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
  283. constant exercise by yarbo · · Score: 1

    It sounds like you can't go to a gym, but you still want to workout. There are numerous books on bodyweight training so pick a few exercises and do them during your lunch break or everytime you go to the bathroom. I used to sneak off a few times a day to do pushups and other exercises in the breakroom.

    During your lunch break you can set off a timer every 10 minutes and do a set of pushups every time it beeps. If you can do 10 each time that's 60 in an hour.

  284. Work out at the halfway by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a gym nearby and cut the day in half, work out (cardio) during a lunch break at least every other day you work. Then, work out at least 2 more times (again, cardio) on your days off.

  285. Minimum reps maximum weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can advocate working out once a week, lifting as much as you can, 1 set about 8 reps. Its pretty easy doesn't take much time and builds muscle pretty well. Mike Mentzer was the most famous advocate of the technique. It seems to me the best way to stay in shape just using 30 mins a week.

  286. suggestions? by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

    Quit. That job will kill you.

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    Warning: this article may contain humor, sarcasm, parody, and perhaps even irony. Read at your own risk.
  287. lack of sunlight is more of a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lack of exercise can be compensated for easily, but depriving your body of sunlight by working a 12 hour night shift is harder to rectify. You run the risk of developing cancer and dying. I would take vitamin D tablets or get another job.

  288. Rules to turn IT into a healthy job by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Take 5 minutes before getting out of bed to do light exercises (sit-ups, back stretching, things that are good for your posture) Don't get out of bed without them and after a week, it will become an effortless habit.

    - Drink only water. No juice, no coffee. It will reduce the amount of consumed calories (Might be counter intuitive, but its a necessity for IT jobs)

    - Replace coffee with a stress ball (it keeps you focus and somewhat warmer)

    - During 2-3 hours a day, trade your chair for an exercise ball.

    - Eat a little something every two hours. Don't let yourself be starved, you'll only eat too much the first chance you'll get.

    These rules by themselves should be enough to prevent anyone from gaining weight. But to get in better shape, you'll need to find the time to do sports. I would personnaly suggest stopping for 30 minutes somewhere when you return home. Try different thing (get in a soccer team, run somewhere new, try wall climbing...). You'll eventually find something you like enough to stick to it and even train to get better at it.

    Good luck!

  289. Simple contextual solutions by demosthesneeze · · Score: 1

    If you have to go out of your way to work out you probably get sidetracked. Its easier if you have equipment nearby.

    Let's start of with your residence. A jump rope and punching bag are relatively cheap and compact. The bag is also good for venting stress/anger/etc. Free weights will cost more than the rope and bag but take up less space and cost less than weight machines. Don't push yourself too much with those though.

    As for the office, a pull up bar and a pilates ball are unobtrusive and won't distract your coworkers during use. The ball also doubles as a spare chair. You can also get a medicine ball to toss about in the hall or parking lot with your coworkers while brainstorming or just socializing. It's less likely to dent a car door or break a window than a baseball, football or frisbee. A soccer ball works well too, but tends to be more disruptive. Finally keep a duffel bag with running shoes clothes (don't forget socks and underpants) and a towel. You might also want to keep rinseless soap of some sort in there.

  290. have more fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As others have said, you might just be making excuses. You should get a work out when you can, and if you really want it, you will find time to do it (push ups, sit ups, or google for the 5bx plan from the RCAF). So, there are plenty of activities you can do to build up your physical activity. The only missing thing is some cardio, in terms of raw activities.

    But, there is something else missing overall, which is having fun! For some people, being in shape is supper important, and that is enough to motivate them to exercise. For the rest of us, we need to find the exercise itself fun, or we won't do it.

    I don't have specific advice, but for your cardio activity, you should maybe play a team sport (social networking sites may help you find a game, like meetup.com).

    For the days you work, try using it to wake up. Or maybe try to be more vain: take a minute every day and look at yourself in the mirror (I actually forget to do that. I loose motivation to have a nice looking body, and I wonder why. Well, its because I _never_ take time to look at my own body. Why should I workout if I haven't a clue how out of shape I'm in?). Anything to get you motivated.

  291. Get your thyroid checked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    asap.

  292. Dedication by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 1

    Hopefully you're doing more than lip-service to wanting to stay healthy (many folks use kids/schedule/commute as an excuse to be unhealthy, but it's no excuse).

    First, make sure to use your off days to get some excercise. Even just half an hour on each of your off days is likely to stabilize your health, even if it doesn't improve (your mileage may vary). Try to find something you enjoy, so it's not a burden.
    Also, just make sure you get up and walk around or do something mildly energetic periodically to keep your body operating while at work. If it's at all possible, take a half hour to actually excercise (run, bike, pushups/situps, whatever) one day of the week as a holdover until a day off. That day will be longer, but you may be able to manage one longer day a week especially if you do something fun.

    In the end, if your job is truly inflexible (can't take any time even once a week to excercise), then perhaps it really is killing you and you must decide how much you want to let your health decline before changing jobs/where you live is *less* painful.

  293. Get A Gozone pedometer and step it up! by Wargames · · Score: 1

    You wear the Gozone, it keeps track of your steps, then you download the steps via a USB port on your computer. and see your progress over time on the web page. You can win prizes for doing it as another incentive. If you have a business, you can incentivize your employees and use the data as evidence to lower your health insurance costs. A win win win situation.
    http://www.virginhealthmiles.com/
    I do not work for Virgin but I have to give them some credit for getting me from potato to marathon runner.

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  294. multitask by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Run around the server room!

  295. put a treadmill in front of your console by kawabago · · Score: 1

    Put a treadmill in front of your console and walk while you work.

  296. welcom grasshopper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    welcome to the "adult" world!

  297. eat a little bit many times a day by allenthelee · · Score: 0

    Try eating small amounts more frequently. Make sure you stick to a schedule and restrict your intake every time you eat. See http://www.askmen.com/sports/foodcourt_60/69_eating_well.html for some more details or google "eat small meals throughout the day" yourself. And, try to be active during your breaks from work, step away from your desk. Always take the stairs. Bike to work if you're able.

  298. High Intensity Interval Training! (HIIT) by mathimus1863 · · Score: 1

    High Intensity Interval Training (HIIT) is fairly well-known activity for general fitness and weight loss. It's been found that 15 minutes of HIIT will get you better fitness and weight-loss benefits than 60 minutes of medium intensity running, biking, etc. Google "HIIT" you'll learn a bit about it.

    The downside? It's tiring as hell. If you do it correctly, you only spend 15 min exercising, but you should hardly be able to walk when you're done (so add 5 minutes for catching your breath). This explains why some people have trouble losing weight through jogging, treadmills and stationary bikes. But playing soccer, basketball, or [in my case] kickboxing results in a very quick fitness results. It's been proven that HIIT raises your metabolism for a full 24 hours after you finish, even only doing 10-15 min.

    The goal should be 15 rounds, 30s on, 30s off. Start with like 5 rounds of 30s on, 90s off, and try to improve to the 15-min goal. The activity can be anything you want: punching bags are great, or you can do sprint/walk intervals on a track, etc. But it is vital that you go 90% to 100% intensity for the "on" intervals. The only requirement for the "off" intervals is to try to stay standing/pacing (don't sit down/go to 0%). It is absolutely exhausting, but the health benefits are phenomenal. I do a variation of HIIT 2-3x per week in my kickboxing class, and I lost about 20 lbs and endurance went up 10-fold in the span of 2 months.

    If you're going to ever have time for any kind of exercise, you'll have time for this, unless you're trying to figure out how to get exercise in front of your steering wheel or your desk. Come up with an exercise that you can do, or a variety of exercises you can do that will take all your energy for about 30 seconds, and alternate between them. In my case, I wrote a short python script that just dings ever 30s so that I don't have to try to watch a stopwatch or anything.

    My recommendation is to alternate between 4-6 activities for the "on" intervals, using different muscle groups for each, so that you are working 100%, but different muscles. Try clapping pushups, speed burpees (google it), doing full squat jumps as high as you can, full crunches/situps/veeups, etc.... or get a punching bag and go nuts punching and kicking it. That's what I do, and it's very satisfying.

  299. Try everything! by frankgod · · Score: 1
    I have lost about 30 pounds in the last 4 years. My main key was calorieking.com. But this is basically on online version of the hacker's diet with lots of education and community items. I am a smaller guy with low metabolism as well.

    Here are my tips for adding some extra exercise or cutting calories:

    • Take walks
    • Drink lots of water
    • Use the restroom on a different floor
    • Play Dance Dance Revolution at home
    • Eat a ton of vegetables. The waiter looks at me funny when I remind him that the steak is for my wife and the salad is mine. But
  300. Low-calorie lifts by daybot · · Score: 1

    After I came back from a trip sponsored by Red Bull, where they handed out the stuff for free, I was hooked. At work I swapped snacks, sugary milky coffee and lunch for sugar-free Red Bull. I had about 4 per day and then a normal meal in the evenings. Horrible for your health I'm sure, but it does keep you going throughout the day with virtually zero calories :)

  301. interval training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as an abnormal geek who not only embraces the sun, but also runs around in it, i must say i'm upset to see no mention of intervals or tabata after a quick ctrl+f. traditional endurance based workouts such as long distance running or sustained aerobics not only burn calories but also increase your metabolic efficiency, but only as long as you are working out. intervals have been shown to increase your metabolism ALL DAY LONG AFTER ONLY 20 MINUTES OF EXERCISE. sorry to shout, but i feel it deserves the emphasis. any exercise you choose, be it sprinting, sit ups, push ups or intense fapping will work, so long as you try hard enough to raise your heart rate to the limit.

    i suggest googling it, since you know how to do that if you've made it here, but to make it easy, here's a simple breakdown, feel free to do any other exercise, so long as it makes your heart beat quickly.
    three or four times a week, try this:
    1. stretch
    2. do as many sit ups as you can in 90 seconds (the harder you push the more you gain)
    3. walk around the room for 60 seconds (don't relax completely, remember, you're exercising)
    4. repeat steps 2 and 3 until you've done them 4 times each
    5. stretch
    6. shower and get ready to lose weight while sitting at your desk
    that only took 4*(90+60) seconds plus 5 minutes or so for stretching, and you just did more for your body than most slashdotters do all week.

    once you get a feel for it, start decreasing the duration of the sets while increasing the amount every few weeks. your goal is to be doing 10 sets of 20 seconds of your best effort then 10 seconds of just barely trying, but i suggest you take your time reaching it. if you really push yourself, you'll notice great results without losing much time out of your day. try alternating different exercises each week/day to keep from getting bored.

  302. The real question by JobyOne · · Score: 1

    Sounds like it's about time you started asking yourself what you really care about.

    Are we here to slave over machines our whole lives for companies that don't care about anything but their bottom lines? Or are we here to do our best to live a happy, fulfilling life? What's your motivation to stay at this job, anyway? It sounds to me like they're running you too hard. What exactly are you doing with your salary? Spending it all on a home you're never in and a car you're always in? (but never enjoying)

    When you die it doesn't matter where you worked, it matters who loved you.

    On a more immediately helpful note, I've been getting more exercise and easing my stress levels lately by brown-bagging lunches that will be good cold. Then when my lunch hour rolls around I grab my lunch, start a 1 hour countdown timer on my phone and start walking. Because my lunch is good cold I don't even have to stop in the break room to microwave anything. When I find a nice place to sit down I have a seat and eat my lunch. Then I walk back to work feeling refreshed and ready to face the rest of the day.

    --
    Porquoi?
  303. Change your lifestyle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Four words. Move Closer To Work

  304. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU - YOU'RE WORKING ALL DAY!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh my God the comments here are awful, they're all wrong, every single one of them. I didn't read your post very carefully, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and venture a guess that your long work hours don't consist of being a member of a focus group set in a "natural living-room setting" whereby you must sit on a couch in front of a large-screen TV with the other focus group members screening six movies per day, you know, just zoning out, you don't even have to pay attention if you don't want to, by all means, go ahead and nap if you want to, and refreshments will be continually provided should you choose to pig out, for that full at-home experience. Further, I doubt your commute takes place in the dining car of the fucking Orient Express which you're on via all-inclusive tickets you paid through the nose for and by God are going to take advantage of.

    I guess what I'm getting at is : YOU ARE EXERCISING. If you're working 12-hour days in an office setting, you are LABORING.

    The answer to your question is as simple as the answer to the bellboy's dilemma who doesn't want to get fat while he's carrying people's luggage: the only way for that bell boy not to get fat while working long hours carrying luggage around is to avoid buying a twenty-pack of Snickers and a three-liter soda every morning, to be eaten while he's sitting around waiting for guests to check in.

    You think you can avoid doing that smart boy? Is it in you?

    Get a fucking sense of style. Eat when it is becoming to eat, at breakfast at home (not on the road), something small and becoming at lunch time (don't pig out), and dinner once when you get home (something filling and reasonable). In between drink water or diet soda. Eat a desert with every meal, of which have three (breakfast, lunch and dinner). Eat only stuff you can look forward to eating. IE GET A SENSE OF FUCKING STYLE.

    As for working out, I just told you: you are. The only thing missing from your workout is weight training. The first month, twice, do 5 slow pushups, 5 slow situps, and 5 slow pull-ups. All of the following months do 10 of each, twice a month. Total time investment: 2x45 seconds the first month (as you will in fact not come anywhere near being able to do 5 -- it was just a lie on my part), 2x2 minutes the other months. You think you could somehow fit those 2 minutes into your schedule somewhere twice a month? Couldn't you, like, I don't know maybe like set your clock forward by two minutes the night before so that it looks like you're getting up at the normal 6:00 AM but in reality secretly it is really 5:58 and you quickly do the workout, ending at what looks like 6:02 AM but you wouldn't freak out because you've bought a second alarm and set it with the real time behind it so that when you're done you just in one really fast, fluid motion pull out the second clock from behind the rigged one and use it to push back the first one, so that you see the real time of 6:00 and you can proceed through your morning routine without having it get all fucked up by the insertion of the exercise? Think you could do that maybe?

  305. Exercise sustainably by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hook an exercise bike up to an armature/inverter unit at work and reduce your NOC's environmental footprint while also getting a few fat burning workouts on company time. Get your employer to cover the cost of the bike, or claim it as a tax deduction yourself. It takes a small amount of practice but pretty soon you'll be able to type and use a mouse while pedalling.

  306. 10 minutes by Foodie · · Score: 1

    I would park the car 10 minutes away from work. That way, you get a total of 20 minutes to walk to work and then back to the car. I can't say how far that should be, but you don't need to park at the same place all the time, change it up to change the scenery, just don't forget where you parked the car or park in a bad neighborhood. As you get more confidence, you can start to park further and further away.

  307. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cocaine is a hell of a drug?

  308. Re:Enough defeatism; calories in vs. calories burn by frankgod · · Score: 1

    Calorie burn varies from person to person, sometimes by quite a bit. Come on, haven't you met someone who eats a ton and is still skinny? There's also a genetic factor, which is why Chinese and Indian people are less likely to be overweight.

  309. Cycle? by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

    You haven't said how far away you live. I myself live 8 miles from work, which is 45 minutes by car during rush-hour or 45 minutes by bicycle. (Actually I choose to cycle the scenic route, 25 miles each way, 90 minutes).

    So: if your job is within 25 miles of home, then cycle. (maybe cycle one way every other day).

  310. Re: Mod parent up by shermo · · Score: 1

    Turn in your geek card if you haven't performed the proper energy in / energy out comparisons.

    A 65g chocolate bar contains about 250 calories or about 1000kJ. To do 1000kJ of work you could lift a 10kg weight from waist height to head height about 12,000 times. If you did one rep every 2 seconds, that would take you five and a half hours.

    Of course this is meaningless since your body isn't a 100% efficient machine and energy is lost both through the digestive process and the mechanical process of using muscles.

    You can't neglect differences in the conversion efficiency of different people when performing these comparisons. One person could produce the same energy output but be able to eat many more calories as a result of different conversion efficiencies.

    This has a bit more on the subject. http://www.mb-soft.com/public2/humaneff.html

    --
    Insanity: voting in the same two parties over and over again and expecting different results
  311. Great responses... by tnok85 · · Score: 1

    Thanks guys. I didn't think this would actually make it to the front page, it's my first 'submission' and was expecting maybe a few responses from interested people.

    Great advice from (most) people, short of the few that told me to keel over and die.

    Few responses I have:

    1. The job is very high stress. Bad.
    2. I have a girlfriend who lives with me... so the little time I have daily, I spend with her. Besides her, yeah, my social life has suffered very very badly. And she hates it when I'm gone all the time. (No, she's not alone in the house overnight, and it's an insanely safe area - which I like)
    3. I work in a very congested city type area which is NOT very safe outside. The building is VERY secure (full security staff, I get my laptop and bag checked every day...) and I'm far from alone in here, so running around would just piss people off.
    3. My dad is a Type 2 diabetic with multiple heart attacks.

    So... yeah, I think most of your advice above in regards to this job are correct. I also understand that I need to fit time in to do it, so unless I can remedy the job situation, I'll start lifting freeweights in the car during breaks and going on a diet. (I will take breaks regardless of the situation... the stress is starting to get to me pretty badly)

    Thanks all, and thanks for the honesty. It really is in my own hands, but the advice helped.

    1. Re:Great responses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wrote anonymously below with the 12 12-month CD ladder (one for each month). I worked mainframe ops for years, my dad is also a type 2 diabetic.

      I hope you do take the time to go through all the comments, and I hope the job is paying very well (read low 6-digits at the least).

      Seriously, Fast Food might seem like the only option, but go to a grocery store and pick up healthy snacks. Cut out all soda (coffee or tea for caffeine) and good luck.

      What a lot of people that replied fail to understand is just how easy it is to piss people off in that environment, how miserable they can make your life, and how not every option is entirely viable.

      The absolute worst part of this job is when you leave it for a 'regular' day job, you will miss many things about this job. Even if you hate everything about it, you will miss the hours or the people or the stress. It will take an adjustment period, for me it was a year, before you are happy to be working during the day and sleeping at night.

      Again, good luck, a lot of us old 'ops' people will be rooting for you. /I Remember when you could smoke at the terminal in the building. //And tapes, reels, but never worked with cards. ///Damn kids with their DASD these days, you have no idea how easy you have it.

  312. Diet is 75% of the battle by TekJannsen · · Score: 1

    Working out is indeed extremely important, but what a lot of people don't realize is that your weight is determined by 75% diet and 25% exercise. 8 years ago i was 5'9" and was extremely skinny at 125lbs. I've maintained a weight at around 170-175 for the last several years mostly due to changes in my eating habits. As a fulltime software engineer who only works out 2x a week now, I maintain my weight mostly through several key points that other people may have already mentioned: 1. Cut out all refined carbs/sugars. Stick to whole wheat grains and brown rice. 2. Minimize, but don't eliminate, fat intake. Obviously this means staying away from fried foods, but you can get healthy fats from sources like fish, nuts, olive oil, and vinaigrette salad dressing. 3. Make sure you eat a good amount of protein (the exact amount will differ according to how much activity you can actually do), but protein builds muscle and will help you to feel full longer. 4. Don't let more than 3 hours pass without eating something. This usually means you'll eat 5-6 meals in a day. 5. ALWAYS have a substantial breakfast. This will jump start your metabolism for the day and actually reduce the likelihood you'll overeat later in the day. Of course, if you can find time to exercise when you can, you'll have the best results. Otherwise, following these guidelines should make a pretty big impact by itself.

  313. make your commute your exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1.5 hr commute?
    consider moving closer
    or get a crashpad closer to work
    ride your bicycle

  314. You forgot the obvious alternative! by nloop · · Score: 1

    Crack cocaine! I'm guessing you work in a fairly urban environment, shouldn't be too hard to find. Look for the guy on the corner looking around nervously. You'll find it's cheap, greatly increases your metabolism, eliminates the desire (dare I say need?) to eat, and has the added benefit of eliminating the need for that morning coffee! Those 12 hour night shifts have you feeling drained? No problem, try crack! You'll be lean and mean in no time!

  315. Your life sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sleep on your days off. After a year or so you'll adjust to having 2-3 hours of sleep on workdays.

  316. Eat this, not that by El_Oscuro · · Score: 1

    Get the book. A Whopper has 200 more calories than a Big Mac. There is a whole lot of shit that is supposed to be healthy that isn't. That "lightly sweetened" "strong heart" Smart Start cereal? 10 different kinds of sugar and so many chemicals that it might explode if mixed improperly with other foods.

    Lose the carbs. I agree 100% with the parent (I am diabetic). All of it is shit. How much sugar do you think is in a small 12 oz can of soda? 2 teaspoons, 4? Try 10, almost a 1/4 cup of sugar in one can of soda . For carbs, get whole grain bread, pasta, etc. The fiber will help prevent insulin spikes.

    Get a bike. $100 will buy you a lot of bike at K-Mart and nothing says "don't steal me" like Huffy. Or got to a flea market at the end of the day when you might be able to pick up one for $5. Use it for all of those short trips that are a few miles or less. You can probably keep it at work too. You will also save a shitload of gas money in addition to getting the exercise.

    Aerobic exercise is great, but you need anaerobic as well. And there is no better way to get that than free weights. You need nothing more than a barbell and weights, which you can get at the same K-Mart or swap meet that you got your bike at. All of the fancy, expensive computer controlled machines are shit.

    And there is no better weightlifting exercise than parallel squats. They are are a royal PITA, and you have to make sure you do them right. Get Starting Strength and Super Squats. Combine Super Squats with your bike rides and you are golden.

    --
    "Be grateful for what you have. You may never know when you may lose it."
    1. Re:Eat this, not that by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      I like that book a lot too. There's also a sequel to it out now that deals just with foods you shop for at the grocery store.

      I also have a really handy iPhone app called (simply enough) Restaurant Nutrition. It has most of the major chains, and is kept fairly up to date with menu changes. Because... let's face it... sometimes the choice is to either eat at a chain or just not eat. So you may as well be informed. And there are some absolute shockers in there. My jaw damn near hit the floor when I found out that what I thought was a reasonable and modest sandwich at Quiznos was actually 870 calories, with half of them from fat. Turns out it's actually a better choice (Still not a very good choice, mind you, but better.) to go to Taco Bell and chow down.. fewer calories and less fat.

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      Imagine all the people...
  317. Re: Mod parent up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "(or just run 3.5 miles/week)"

    35. Not Even Michael Phelps would burn 1000 kCal / mile of running.

  318. Hawaii Chair by musakko · · Score: 1
  319. Your not alone, I work in surveillance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a private investigator I work for insurance companies 5-6 days a week, typical 10 hour work day, not counting driving to job and back home through Washington DC and Baltimore. Company vehicle and gas, so I'm not paid to drive to and from home, typically drive 2 hours each way.

    Oh I make 12.00 an hour.

  320. Walk walk walk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Walk your way to office and back. Climb stairs and do walk as often as possible during work.

  321. Ladder-rack pullups by itomato · · Score: 1

    Get in 5 sets during a 12-hour shift.

    Increase by as many as possible each day.

    Also, some cow-orkers may react unfavorably, but grab a carpeted corner somewhere, and do some basic yoga.

    Worked for me!

  322. A solid solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You must do Kegels while you work!

  323. Weighted Vest by Gigahurt · · Score: 1

    Get a weighted vest to wear under your clothes. I got one from Hyperwear. It's the thinnest one I could find.

  324. That's the nature of the high tech world by ElectricRook · · Score: 1

    Welcome to the real world...

    Try to manage the whole work-life balance. At least until you can change your career to something where moving around a lot is part of the job. I spent three years in agriculture, and lost about 50 pounds. I'm currently taking classes for a career change to geology.

    --
    - High Tech workers, please say NO to Union Carpenters, their Union sees fit to control our compensation.
  325. Isometrics? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isometrics? This is when you tense muscles against each other, like if you locked your hands together and try to pull with both arms and the like. I don't know much about it, but it effectively allows for exercise while sitting still in a chair.

  326. starting points for fellow nerds by prolifix · · Score: 1

    It is really not hard to live a healthy life style, but you have to accept the fact that you have been trained on what âoetheyâ told you long ago. Here are some Google research points for you nerds to dive into. Ill start with the most important: Insulin sensitivity Glycemic Index Paleolithic diets health benefits of sunlight crossfit primal workouts warrior diet naturally boost testosterone It is just the simple fact that humans are animals too, and we have animal instincts and genetically coded systems that are running fucked for a long time. If we have DNA, and the selfish gene theory is true, then it also means we are programmed with some pretty fuckin powerful survival mechanisms. From the very small processes of removing free-radicals that make us age to ATP survival mechanisms that make our minds and body capable of super-human feats, we have it all. USE IT. Men WILL actually fear you and women will love you. Itâ(TM)s all so very primal.

  327. Two Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably already suggested, but cut out lazy behaviours: Take the stairs instead of the elevator. Get off the bus a few blocks away/park the car further away and walk a greater distance into the office. If you can just walk to work, or bike to work. Take more 10-20 minute breaks and do push ups/handstands/pull ups on the server rack/walks around the compound/campus/park/block. Carry heavy things instead of using the wheeled cart/dolly. Stop eating sugar-based junk food/sodas and pack sandwiches instead. Use a rice cooker to make rice/bean stews and various dishes (You can cook quite a variety of things in a rice cooker). And the least best advice: Take up a cocaine habit. You'll get tons done, be able to work long hours, and lose your appetite. It'll work, but it's a terrible idea of course.

  328. Can you get fit on six minutes a week? by wisebabo · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think you'll find this article in the NYTimes to be of interest:

    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/24/can-you-get-fit-in-six-minutes-a-week/

    1. Re:Can you get fit on six minutes a week? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or this

      January 2009 Runners world (British edition) article about Billat

      Half-decent bicycle & Kurt Kinetic indoor trainer.

      Add 3-4 hour enjoyable outdoor ride on weekend. Keep it enjoyable, range 60-70% of max HR

      Just substitute power for pace calculations, but subtract about 2% e.g. 8 min pace / 10 min pace = 80% use 78% power effort

  329. crossfit.com by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

    Just do the workouts on crossfit.com

    They take at MAX 20 minutes 3 to 4 days a week and they work. They are hard as fuck but scalable. You can do them in your home with a little bit of cash and some creativity.

    We train fighters with these workouts, it will train you.

  330. Ride to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ride to work (and home) everyday - then exercise is part of your routine and you'll never have to think about it again. And it save time - your exercise time overlaps the period you would have otherwise have spent sitting in a car/bus/train etc.

    If your commute really is 1.5 hours, then ride to/from a train station somewhere between. Or park your car at some intermediate point and ride the other part.

    Active transport is the best exercise: it's meaningful in that it actually achieves something (gets you to/from work) unlike repeatedly lifting some weights; it saves you time (overlaps commuting and workout time); and you don't have to think about it (you'll look back on the year and you've done a few thousand miles just as part of your daily routine). Plus you'll feel much better emotionally in my experience.

  331. Don't just fall on top of your wife - jump. by eloquent_loser · · Score: 1

    Reduce carbohydrate intake perhaps :-) If you are conscious of the way you are moving then you can find lots of ways to expend more energy and not lose muscle to attrition. Instead of bouncing up stairs, walk up them slowly as if you were doing an exercise in the gym. You can do various exercise while on the phone, when you're lifting objects, while you are waiting for things, on public transport - look for these moments and make sure you don't just stand/sit around. A lot of our daily movement is done in the most efficient way - walking slowly, bounding up the stairs, lounging in the chair. Do it in the least efficient way. A short course of gym would be good, though, to build muscle which itself burns more energy than fat - it's easier to keep it later than to build it in the first place ;-) Of course there are the freeform exercises which can be done on the desk, kitchen benches and floors - always pleasurable.

    --
    The man of virtuous soul commands not, nor obeys. -- Percy Bysshe Shelley
  332. Quit your job, seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked designing and deploying NOCs for a very large telecom - among other can-never-break-system-designs. In the 10 years doing that I went from 180lbs to 300lbs. 18 months ago, I walked away. In the first 6 months, I lost 60lbs by watching what I ate and exercising **just a little**.

    Your job is killing you.

    Quit.

    Find a job closer to your home or move so you don't **waste** so much time commuting.

    Your job is killing you. I'm serious.

  333. Move your body whenever you can. by infosinger · · Score: 1

    If you can't do any of the other suggestions (such as getting a new job or moving closer) then I have the following suggestion.

    If you are on the phone or waiting for a system to boot, start marching or do knee bends. Wave your arms around. If you look at what you do all day you will find that there are many short times when you are waiting for something. Use these moments to exercise. My wife and I went to a medically sponsored weight loss class and one thing they emphasized is that you don't have to have long workout sessions, rather the total exercise time, even if it is done in small bites, is what matters.

  334. Fortunately i have a high metabolism rate by freedom_india · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, i have a high metabolism rate. The kind that burns fat first.
    As several of doctors in Singapore, Australia, USA and India confirmed, my metabolism is slightly off balance. Meaning it is hyper.
    So the more i eat, the faster it metabolizes it.
    And the more fat i eat, the more it metabolizes the same first.
    My doctor said my weight will always be around 57-60 Kgs. Never will go up even if i eat a pound of butter every day.
    And no, my heart is not affected. Heck, the fat never even reaches it. Took ECGs regularly every month and i still climb four floors of stairs to go my office cabin.
    The side-effect is, i can't exist without eating fatty foods. I can't subsist on cereals, juices and salads. Those make me awfully hungry and weak.
    My wife hates me for eating lathering up my dinner with butter and the way i inhale cakes and pastries. She hates me for eating a quarter-pounder every week without getting fat ever.
    And no, i don't do special exercises.
    All i do is to walk 4 floors up, down 4 times a day (one in morn, one in even and two times in between for lunch)
    I tried to get fat once by eating a double-cheese burger for one month at McDonalds and Pizzas at Dominoes.
    All i got for all that trouble was a taste killing effort.
    My taste buds lost their taste for everything else.
    It took me 3 months to regain taste buds.
    Now i stick to my regular meals:
    Breakfast: one huge bowl of Kellogs and a glass of Orange juice, double-egg omletes.
    Lunch: Anything with lots of cheese and butter in it. And no juices. Egg again.
    Evening: Butter cookies and Corn puffs for snacks: 500 Gms
    Dinner: Mashed potatoes with butter, Rice with butter and other stuff.
    Chocolate Milk shake.
    Anything less and i start to feel weak.
    My women friends at office are extremely jealous and wonder whether it is hereditary. They always say they would kill for my Gene.
    Any advice?

    --
    "Doing what i can, with what i have." ~ Burt Gummer
  335. Obvious but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if you have X hours of work and Y hours for sleep then
    X + Y = 24

    You need to make it less than 24 so you can have time to do some other things...
    Personally I work 12 hours a day, but I sleep about 6... take out an hour for transportation and that leaves 5.5. There's time if you find it. People always ask me how I do an MBA while working. Stop reading slashdot at home. Stop watching TV.. you will find there is plenty of time.

    Also.. you don't have to excercise formally every day start walking more and don'T drive, then on the days you have off you can do proper excercise. I find it boring and tedious to sit in my room and do push-ups or something, but I joined a volleyball team, so every saturday I am burning my muscles that way :)

  336. Calories in Calories burned works great!!! by itsybitsy · · Score: 1

    Burn more calories than you consume! Exercise to burn calories. Eat less to avoid needing to burn those calories. My doctor ordered me to do whatever I need to to lose 1 lb per day, the safe medical limit.

    Get a treadmill at your desk and walk on it all day while working.

    Work less hours and exercise.

    Or say heck with it all and enjoy life as a hedonist and embrace being fat, everyone else is so join the club!

  337. work out at the office by juanhf · · Score: 1

    there is no reason for why you can't introduce a work out into your every day routine. for example, we installed a metal pipe (2" diameter) between two shelving units / racks at the office and resort to doing chin-ups and dropping to the floor for sit-ups, push-ups and for cardio one of the guys has resorted to walking up the stairs rather than taking the elevator.

    surely you can find a way to introduce exercise into your routine.

    just remember to stay hydrated ... by drinking lots of water you will find that your metabolism will speed up and the frequent trips to the bathroom will give you a good excuse to get up and off of your computer and take a much needed break which a lot of us often forget to do. hope you don't have any bladder problems :-D

    stay fit and have fun!

  338. Climbing by lauraglu · · Score: 1

    Climbing! I do it 1-3 times a week and it counters the eating I do (not overeating), helps with metabolism as well as strengthening those hand/wrist/arm muscles used daily.

  339. Move out of mom's basement by Ingolfke · · Score: 1

    Moving out of mom's basement would allow you to cut your commute time and would give you the opportunity to work out regularly. A move would also allow you to control your diet. Mom's breast milk is realy high in fat content.

  340. You can't by dewatf · · Score: 1

    Shift workers suffer higher rates of obesity, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, gastric problems, mental health problems and substance abuse problems. After 5-10 years the amount of cortisol you need to produce to work shifts destroys you physically and mentally, no matter how well you think your are coping with it.

    Work it while you need the money and experience then get a job with reasonable hours.

  341. Tabata by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not that hard. Google Tabata or read about it on wikipedia.

    Basically, do 30 seconds of push-up or situps or whatever, then rest 30 seconds. Repeat 7 more times for a total of 8 sets. It takes 4 minutes and you'll need a shower afterwards. Do it before you go to work and after you get home.

    Do a different exercise everyday.
    Monday: 8 sets of pushups.
    Tuesday: 8 sets of squats
    Wednesday: 8 sets of situps
    Thursday: 8 sets of jumping jacks.

    By the 4th set, you'll start to hurt. In the 7th or 8th set your muscles will begin to fail. Strength gain is pretty rapid for a body weight exercise.

    You can substitute gynastics planches for exercises if you want. Bruce Lee is a good example of someone who used planches.

    If you exercise smart, the only food you have to watch out for is sugar.

    Take the stairs while you're at work. Get up every 30 minutes and walk around like just to make a visual inspection. As a sysadmin you'll "discover" more problems if you get up and leave your desk.

  342. Have Sex 3 times a day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And not just laying down stand up and lift your girl up high every time. If you still are out of shape after the first week find a fatter girl.

  343. Bike to work by Phantasmagoria · · Score: 1

    Or jog.

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    Loban Amaan Rahman ==> Anagram of ==> Aha! An Abnormal Man!
  344. Eh by Koftu · · Score: 1

    I didn't go through all of the above, so somebody may have already said what I am about to, but besides being smart about diet: Burpees. Bonus points for installing a pullup bar somewhere to add a pullup in the middle of the jump. Great for cardio, chest, abs, legs, triceps (and back if you add in the pullup). Good luck.

  345. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a decent job that respects your work/life balance.

    Next!

  346. Get into hardware support work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to work with IS/IT (including user and hardware support), this meant that I had to walk over to the user and show them how to darn reboot there machines (ok, more advanced then that). Sometimes I had to move switches and carry big packages with new equipment. I do like Unix more, and every server we had was Unix, the downside of that was that you didn't have to run around to reboot them.. like the windows machines :-)

    Anyhow, I changed task as work, I'm actually a developer, and was a developer before I was forced to work in IS/IT.. so I went back to being a developer.. Sitting on my ass 8 hours a day (not including the 1.5 hour travel time). So 9.5 hours ass sitting every day has actually crippled my stamina. I been forced to include some long walks and such in my normal day. Before I didn't have to.

    So down the my two cents. If you work with user and hardware support, and use make use of the stairs you do not really need any additional workout.

  347. Monica Bing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Butt clenches. Do that for the 14-15 hours you're sitting still, and you'll become the real nuttcracker

  348. Choices by jandersen · · Score: 1

    You have a choice to make: do you work to live or live to work? Working like that and staying healthy is just not realistic.

    I have always thought myself that life should be worth living - why bother, otherwise? I would expect any reasonable employer to accept that they get the best out of their employees if they are thriving and in good health, so they ought to be willing to adjust your workload. But maybe you just aren't ready to make the adjustments in your life that are necessary? Anyway, it's your call.

  349. Excuses are like ass holes.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a soldier 12 hour days, outside the wire, six days a week are common. Plus an hour or two of prep time, plus dealing with my subordinates makes it a good 15-16 hour day. I still made time to hit the gym and run everyday. I am also a full time student. It sucks, I don't get to lay around and watch TV or play guitar hero. If it is important enough you will make time for it, not excuses about why you didn't.

  350. Resistance Training and Protein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Resistance training and a high protein diet builds muscle. Muscle burns fat. More muscle burns more fat.

  351. squats by DrunkenRoach · · Score: 0

    Try doing squats, situps and push ups at work, there are good plans on the internet.

  352. When to work-out by NotNormal · · Score: 1

    I've found that if there is something I need to do I need to do it before I get home from work or as soon as I get home and before I settle down to unwind. Lately I've been getting home changing and going for a run as soon as I get home to avoid losing my motivation. FYI I work a full-time and a part-time job and I'm renovating my new house. So yeah, I understand being busy. I also bought a new pair of running shoes, iPod nano and the Nike+ (if you invest money then you better do it). Plus the metrics and the social aspects of the Nike+ system should help keep me motivated.

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  353. Eat like a cave-man, man! by Spinlock_1977 · · Score: 1

    This is based on my own personal experience and resulting opinions, so please accept it as such - I'm not a doctor or nutritionist. First, if you have to work out to maintain a decent weight/shape, you're eating the wrong foods. I dropped my weight from 230 lbs to 185 (I'm 6'1) in six months by adhering to one simple rule: Don't eat processed foods. Fruits & veggies, nuts & berries, home-cooked bread, meat & fish - all good. Anything that comes in a box, can or jar - bad. The food supply has changed radically in the last 30 years, and we're simply not biologically adapted to tolerate it that well. The result is weight gain and sickness - high blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, etc. etc. Eat like a cave man, man! If we weren't eating it 5000 years ago, we probably shouldn't be eating it today.

    Full disclosure: That was 3 years ago. I've added back into my diet small amounts of cheese, eggs, and some staples that do come in bottles - soy sauce, ketchup, mayonnaise, and the like, but I try to choose products containing the fewest possible chem-lab ingredients. I now maintain a weight of 190-195. Oh, and all my health problems from 3 years ago have disappeared, including that sometimes-painful bump on my wrist.

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  354. lots of small workouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since you don't have time to work out at home, squeeze in some workouts at work.

    Every time you get up to go to the bathroom do X pushups.
    Get a yoga ball and use that as your chair after lunch.
    At home get a pullup bar that attaches to your doorway and do a few pullups each time you walk through that doorway.
    Do 100 jumps on a jump rope as soon as you get home.

  355. Bike it by Lproven · · Score: 1

    I worked a 7pm - 7am shift for 9 months last year, too. I lived 10 miles from my work, which was in the centre of London, one of the largest cities with some of the most congested traffic in the world.

    I got on my bike.

    With a month or so of practice, I could equal the time spent on the train - about 45min each way. If you get reasonably skilled, a bicycle can make better time in urban traffic than a car. It burns a thousand plus calories a day, and not only gets you fit, it saves money, as well.

    If you're particularly overweight or unfit, try a recumbent. They are massively more ergonomic as well as vastly more aerodynamic to ride.

    A daily commute of 15-20 miles each way is perfectly doable and it will transform your life.

    It's also a great way to wake up at the start of the day. Beats the hell out of caffeine.

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    1. Re:Bike it by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      Okay, so what do you do when you arrive at your office drenched in sweat?

      What about on one of London's famous rainy days? How about when it's snowing? How about if you feel ill that day?

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    2. Re:Bike it by Lproven · · Score: 1

      It's not some royal proclamation that can never be violated.

      If you get sweaty, shower. (If you don't get sweaty, you're not doing it right.) If it starts to rain or whatever after you leave, shower. If there is no shower in the office, find a nearby health club or something and shower there. Probably still cheaper than the costs of motor transport.

      If the weather is really inclement or dangerous, *then* you use a vehicle. There's nothing that says that normally doing one prevents the other.

      And if you feel ill, then you probably aren't going to work anyway.

      These are red herrings.

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  356. Kettlebells by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a pair of kettlebells, they don't take much space and last practically forever. And I mean real kettlebells, 16kg or heavier, not any hollow piece of crap or any adjustable piece of crap. But the real thing made of iron or steel. The kind of equipment used in competitions is always best. You can make a decent workout in fairly short time (20 minutes or so). Even at work (on break or after work) if you have a chance to shower at work. Good for cardio, good for overall muscle strength. You can even break your program to contain multiple short exercises per day.

    And when it comes to metabolism, getting in shape will actually slow down your metabolism as your body starts to work more efficiently.

    Recent studies have also shown that exercise doesn't have to be long to be effective, even short bursts make you tons of good, so don't worry if you don't have much time. Short is always way better than nothing, even if it's just 10-15 minutes or so.

    And if you can't take 30 minutes out of your day to take care of your health (what could possibly be more important?), then there is something very seriously wrong with your life, be it priorities (e.g. you can always watch less tv or youtube, or whatever is your most waste of time) or something else.

    Everyday moving is also important, get used to running the stairs up and take a habit of not driving absolutely everywhere. You'll find spots of getting some exercise, even if it's just carrying your groceries.

  357. Exercise you enjoy (DDR for me!) by vorpal22 · · Score: 1

    The most important thing, I think, is definitely to increase exercise, as even if you don't immediately make dietary changes, you will feel healthier and probably compelled to over time.

    That being said, unless you find a form of exercise that you actually enjoy, the likelihood of keeping it up is probably pretty low - this is true for everyone. No one wants to do something they hate, and it requires a big push in terms of motivation to get started, even if you know it will make you feel better.

    For me, Dance Dance Revolution is the perfect form of exercise. I can do it at home, at school, in a hotel room, etc simply by hooking up a cheap USB pad to my laptop and running the open source StepMania clone. If I'm home, I'll use my good, high quality Cobalt Flux pads. No need to travel to an intimidating gym that's out of my way and to wait for machines, etc. Furthermore, it's tons of fun - something that I really look forward to - and playing on the style and difficulty level that I play (expert doubles - meaning using two pads together, which makes you move your centre of gravity much more), I can burn well over 500 kcal / hour. I have trouble prying myself away even after an hour or two of play.

  358. 10 minute trainer by idahodba · · Score: 1

    I have a similar busy schedule plus family life, and finding time to go to the gym is difficult at best. So I've started to use the 10 minute trainer disks. They are 10 minute work outs you do up to 3 times a day + a eating guide. Working pretty well so far and I can fit in the workouts easy. You can check them out on beachbody.com or if your creative you can find them "elsewhere".

  359. Talk to a personal trainer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My brother is a personal trainer and you can get a customized diet and workout plan that will fit your situation if you hire a good one. A lot of the advice on here is bunk. Simply cutting your calories will help but if you cut too drastically your body will think that you are starving and will slow your metabolism and store whatever it can. The key is to keep your body thinking that there is a regular supply of food around- eat frequent but low calorie, healthy meals. Like a salad in the middle of the morning, a ham sandwich with mustard and lettuce/tomatoe for lunch, and a light calorie granola bar / or a piece of fruit for a snack. Keep crackers and fresh veggies for snacks during the day. Eat a healthy breakfast too. Drink water, and 100% unsweetened juice.

    The suggestions for little workouts during the day is a good idea. You can also do things while sitting like put weights on your ankles etc. Taking the stairs when you can is good too.

  360. Commute via bicycle by jif · · Score: 1

    Get a bicycle. Drive to within 10 miles or so of work, park the car and bike the rest of the way. Increase the distance as you become more fit.

  361. Re: Mod parent up by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    3500E3? What is wrong with 3.5e6??

    My soul is bleeding...

  362. Yoga by Karl+Capek · · Score: 1

    There isn't much room in your life for exercise but you will feel really tired after cardio and weight training. You may want to get in shape but it is more important that you feel good. You need to find the right activity that you can combine with work. I follow an AM yoga routine every day and every second day I follow it with a power yoga session that provides a reasonable cardio/strength/stamina workout. It won't give you chiselled abs but you'll feel great and prevent a lot of stress related illnesses. Yoga is the perfect antidote to sitting at a desk all the time where your lower back in under strain for long periods of time, your hip region becomes tight and your shoulders are hunched forward typing at a keyboard. There isn't a lot of equipment required, just a mat and even that's optional. You can do it in the office, preferably in a free meeting room. Pull down the blinds of course. Do the AM yoga session during your morning break. You can do the power yoga session during lunch but I prefer to do it just before going to sleep. Trust me, you'll feel great after doing it once. Cycle to work to get an additional workout But when all this is said and done 4-5 12 hour days a week is not sustainable.

  363. WTF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Screw that. 1.5 hour commute for a 12 hour day? Are you freakin crazy? I'd rather be poor.

  364. move closer and cycle to work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i have the similar problem and even if it only 10 miles a day it will help.

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  366. This is what worked for me by joecasanova · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what your workout routine looked like before you started this job but here is what worked for me when I was working 60+ hours a week and getting physically prepared to join the United States Army.

    I did these three programs, all three, three days a week. (Mon, Weds, Fri)
    http://twohundredsitups.com/
    http://www.hundredpushups.com/
    http://twentypullups.com/

    Then, I did this program coupled with a 2-mile run three days a week (Tues, Thurs, Sat)
    http://www.twohundredsquats.com/

    I found it worked quite well. If you are already partially in shape you should be able to run the 2 miles in less than 16 minutes. The squat program takes another 15 minutes. The upper body workout took me about 30 minutes to perform all three phases.

    It had me sweating and working out each morning and left me feeling like I had done a thorough workout (I was getting up at 0500). It helped me build and tone muscle and take the weight off. Additionally, the only thing I needed to buy was a decent pair of running shoes and a pull-up bar, the rest of the exercises used my body weight as resistance.

  367. Do what real men do: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Join the Army.

    Me and my crew work five twelve hour days/week, and then we conduct PT (physical training)

    Now, i'm not in perfect shape or anything...

    but I'd like to think I'm getting there. :)

  368. Re: Mod parent up by Sobrique · · Score: 1

    Literally speaking, you are correct - energy in vs. energy out are what determines whether you gain weight. But unfortunately that's not the whole story - your body is really good at keeping you alive, so if you eat too little, it will start to conserve energy - you'll be tired, lethargic and unable to concentrate ... and will end up not using very much energy when you do work out, because you are tired.
    Sames true of gaining weight - you'll lay down energy surplus as fat, but you can also gain weight in the form of muscle - one's bad, the other's ... less so.
    Exercise patterns are similar - I've found just recently that I was exercising too hard - I was basically running myself to 'exhausted' really quickly, but not actually using up that much energy in the process - despite feeling like I had had a good workout.
    You also get that 'energy conservation' mechanism occuring when your nutrion is poor - 2500 kcal/day of butter is about the right amount, but ... well, you'll end up with a nicely screwed metabolism, and may well end up no better off.
    *shrug*. I've been trying for ages trying a 'calories counting in + exercising' routine (honest) but it didn't work very well. What has worked dramatically shifting _what_ I eat, maintaining 'about' maintenance levels for my age/build, and then working out aerobically at _medium_ intensity. (using a heart rate monitor)
    Actual numbers look pretty similar - they really do. But I'm bouncing around during the day, because I'm not totally shattered, and I'm sleeping much better - and the weight is dropping steadily.

  369. Re: Mod parent up by Sobrique · · Score: 1

    I was so disappointed the first day I figured out that one:
    http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-ice-creams-vanilla-i19095 - vanilla icecream is 145 "calories" per 72g.
    If we assume it's mostly water, and it's at zero degrees - then the definition of a 'calorie' is the amount of energy needed to raise one gram of water by 1 degree. So... zero degrees to 37, 72 grams of 'water' - 2664 calories needed! Ice cream is NEGATIVE energy food.
    This of course, ends up way less attractive when you add in the 'k' :)

  370. More important question? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How are you planning to reproduce? 16 hours of work (including getting ready and travel) plus 8 hours of sleep equals 24 hours. No time for hanky-panky.

  371. Too late? by Sobrique · · Score: 1

    Maybe I'm too late to the party, but as someone who has ... pretty much this situation, I'm currently doing something about it.
    The think that I've found particularly useful is fitbug - http://www.fitbug.com/ - they send you a pedometer, USB cable and set a daily aerobic/non aerobic exercise target. And they also let you record what you're eating, and give you feedback on the nutritional balance of it - less just a number of calories, and more paying attention to fat/protein/carbohydrate, and working on a 'good' level of each. That brought me a few shocks, as some food has _way_ more than I thought - the pizzas I ate being a prime example.
    It's really quite easy, and also appeals to my inner geek - so much so that I've altered my routine to get my 'daily steps' in (actually, I 'cheat' and go to the gym, because it's more time efficient - and that's a good motivator for me) and am eating ... I think it's mostly fruit/nuts and a generally lower food intake.
    Seems to be working too, although I've started from 'extremely lardy' and am aiming for 'a bit lardy' as my long term goal.
    And it's not 'starving myself' either - my calorie target is something like 2800/day, to do with the 12,400 steps (I do about 6000 steps/hour, and cover 3 miles, so that's about 2 hours of walking during the day).
    Feeling fit and well has been a godsend - as has being able to 'fit in' 10 minutes here and there through the day.

  372. GET A NEW JOB! by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 1

    Dude, your lifestyle is killing you. Literally. STOP NOW. Hit monster on your "free time" and find a job closer to home, or move closer to work. Your life expectancy is allready shredded by working night shift. Working those hours combined w/ night shift has you on the fast path to the light at the end of the tunnel. It'll be a train wreck. You'll die suddenly. It's going to be a heart attack or a stroke or fall asleep at the wheel. Probably on the job or on the way home. Hopefuly @ work so you don't kill anyone else. Your family won't understand why it is that you passed so suddenly and so soon. Your friends and colleagues are sad, but you don't see them anyway so most won't attend your funeral. You're close family will remember your graduation, and that one year you had chrsitmas off. A girl you knew in highschool will cry for you, but it was so long ago, that she'll mention it as a sidebar conversation when she see's other classmates.

    If this sounds like I'm trying to scare you, its because I am, and It's also a very real scenario.

    Life is too short to play these kind of games for long. Fix your work life, and the rest will probably just "flow." Theres so much scientific evidence against these kind of conditions I can't imagine anyone working this way on purpose.

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  373. microwave frozen dinners by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    I've noticed that microwaveable frozen dinners generally have decent food, but small quantities. The small portion size is frustrating at the tiem, but I suppose it works if I manage to not throw other stuff on top of it. :P

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  374. I have a similar problem... by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    ...I don't have obnoxious work sessions like that, but I admit to spending way too much time surfing the 'Net and whatnot.

    My preferred form of exercise is bicycle-riding
    I've noticed that it's a bit harder to get the motivation to go out and ride around just for the hell of it; I find it a bit easier to get out there if I have something specific to go out and do, even if the thing's just a small mundane errand...Sometimes, when I get out there, I stay out evne after whatever task is taken care of.

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  375. Master Cleanse by pixelite · · Score: 1

    try the master cleanse. its not a diet, rather a detox regimen. helps tremendously with energy levels. just remember the first 4-5 days are the toughest, try to do 10 days every 4-6 months but never more than 30 at a time. oh , quick tip, the salt water wash is nasty but i found that if you boil water then take 2 ounces and mix in the salt til it dissolves. You drink that and follow it with 30 ounces of water, its much easier than drinking 32 ouces of salt water. of course you should let the water cool a bit, lest it burn you. Also, I generally make a gallon at a time, and take some with me in a thermos, since the caps are usually about a cup(8oz) cheers.

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  376. You don't need much exercise to stay in shape! by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),x · · Score: 1
    Are you worried about weight or health?

    For your heart, you need aerobic exercise 20 min/day 5+ days/week. So for lunch, run 20 minutes and eat while working. Or bike. Or climb lots of stairs. Sweat. Give yourself a sponge bath in the handicapped washroom if you have no shower available

    For strength, you need to stress your muscles to the max 3x/week. Look up "body weight exercises" or join a gym or buy some elastic bands you can attach to stationary objects and stuff in your backpack or briefcase for portability.

    But for weight, you just have to eat fewer calories. Switch to more fibre and less fat foods. Eat fruit for snacks, not pop or chips. Eat more vegetables, nuts, and seeds. Trim all fat/skin off your meats. Make eat smaller portions. Stay hungry until your weight is what you want.

    Ideally, do both.

    tOM

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  377. Try cycling by leozh · · Score: 1

    This might not work for the OP, but for those of you living within 15 miles of your work, try cycling to work. I cycle 8 miles each way to my work and I have gotten in shape just by commuting to and from work.

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  378. ways to exercise while you work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of the articles at shrinkgeek.com would pertain to this. Some of them are about injecting exercise as a gamer but those equally could apply to a 5 minute break while working.

  379. planned accordingly by OrangeMonkey11 · · Score: 1

    I have a pretty hectic schedule myself I'm pretty much on call all the time, due to I have facility that i managed that operates 24-7. I make a point to spend at least an hour at the gym or at the park doing something active and I also manage my weight by eliminating a lot of junk food in take, fast food; soda. As well as taking my breaks and spending that time walking around. You do not necessarily have to spend a huge amount if time working out or starve yourself. Just eat 4-5 small meals rather then starve yourself and eat one or two large meals; by starving you are slowing your metabolism which cause you to retain and stored body fat. So eating several small meals through out the day you speed up your metabolism and you burn body fat. BTW I used to weight between 210-220 lbs I'm now at 135-140 lbs with a 5-7 % body fat.

  380. This is a classic case of everything wrong w/ IT by Money+for+Nothin' · · Score: 1

    Well, one way to free-up time is to move closer to work.

    But, failing that: you're working 12 hours/day 4-5 days/week. You literally do not have free time. Why?

    Because we Americans have let employers take advantage of us. We have let insane hours like these become the expectation; the norm. For the sake of our health and sanity, it must stop.

    We need unions and/or increased labor regulation to end the long hours. Now.

    Your job is particularly-bad, because it directly-interferes with the time during which thousands of years have ingrained a Circadian rhythm in your brain that tells your body it should be sleeping... which changes your metabolism's behavior. Your job is fucking with your ability to metabolise food, and you're probably gaining weight as a result. Especially since you likely don't have time to make healthy meals, and so you're likely dependent on fast-food, which in general is high in calories and grease and low on nutritional value (if you can get a salad or make it to Subway, that helps).

    Americans need to stop this insane bullshit Puritanical work-ethic that says we must work all the time -- and often for no extra pay (how many of us are paid a salary for 40 hours/week, but work 60-80 hours/week? I do). We can thank the religious idiots -- many of whom are the laziest people in this nation -- for pushing this work ethic in churches, within families, in communities, etc..

    Stop the madness! If only Obama and his supporters had the balls...

  381. Exercise while commuting? by fugue · · Score: 1

    I'm in better shape than I've ever been because I carefully chose to live and work in locations with a good bike route between them. Yes, sometimes it's difficult--much like most high-reward endeavours. Sometimes it's an uphill battle against the fat, lazy slobs who for some inexplicable reason don't want you biking to work. But the trouble is worth it. Trust me.

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  382. I have a plan... by danwesnor · · Score: 1

    I make the IT guys do 25 push-ups before they can touch my computer. If it's slower after they've "fixed" it, I call them back up to do 25 more. Unfortunately, my computer is still in worse shape than the IT guys. Maybe I should give them Krispy Kremes instead.

  383. HIIT High Intensity Interval Training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a spinning bike. Alternate between 30 sec interval at full speed between 4 min. intervals. Perform 6 cycles, 3X per week. Your appetite will be diminished, and you'll be in markedly better shape in just 2 weeks.

  384. Been there, done that. by anotherncbeachbum · · Score: 1

    I spent 2 years working a shift like that except I was only 1h away from work. Still, it was pretty rough. Here's what I did. 1) Spend your breaks at work doing something active. I'm not a smoker but I took "smoke breaks" and left the NOC and did laps around the building. I also picked up a book on stretching and did those too to break things up. Pushups were a time killer too and made a difference. Google "hotel room workout" for tips on working out with a minimal amount of equipment. You can store a yoga mat under your desk and an exercise ball makes a nice chair. 2) Changed my eating habits. I went on South Beach. Cut out all sodas and fast food. Started eating 6 meals per day. More protein and veggies, few carbs. I'd pack a cooler full of stuff and take it with me so I could eat on time - especially if I was driving. 3) Moved closer to work. There was a cost to this....I had to give up a month's rent. Ended up 20 minutes away, a 20 minute drive that was nice. The time I saved made a huge difference. After 2 years I left the job. Turnover was really high and after 2 years I saw 2 rotations of the staff. Kita's ideas are similar to mine...good stuff there.

  385. Work out at weekends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Work out during the weekend. Avoid drinking sugar drinks. You should also consider moving closer. That kind of working schedule will kill you in the end.

  386. Stand at work for fitness by Bropoulos · · Score: 1

    Wow! 791 bits of advice! Can't possibly get through to see if this recommendation has already been provided, but if it all possible, as your employer to provide you with a desk where you can actually stand through your shift. May sound a little crazy, but it helps a lot! The first two weeks are uncomfortable as your legs get used to the work, but thighs are big metabolic tools: by standing, you keep them engaged so your entire work session becomes a little bit of a workout. Plus, you can begin to incorporate other movement as you're standing, and your body will stay more toned overall. Keep a few hand weights nearby. You'll find it also helps you to stay alert. It's great if you can also have a tall chair, or a desk that can be raised or lowered, but you'll find that you end up standing most of the time just because it is more comfortable, and much easier on your back. Good luck!

  387. Two suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you don't have a life. That's a bad choice and unhealthy in itself. But as long as your life consists of little more than worktime and bedtime, use those.
    (1) Worktime: If there is any chance to take a train + bicycle/walk to work, do that. Driving is stressy and stress makes you consume more unhealthy food. On a train you'd even be able to do some work, and the bike/foot part is physical workout.
    (2) Bedtime: Sexercise.

  388. Work in Stand Up position ! by maitas · · Score: 1

    Even on your situaton, you do have a lot of time to excerise and keep working at the same time.

      If you get yourself a high table you can work with your notebook standing up, this is great excersie !

      Even on your conmute, you can try the 1.5 comute time to be standing up, and even doing some excersie, like walking inside the bus/train/wahtever.

  389. Cycle to work by bandmassa · · Score: 1

    Like the subject says, cycle to work.

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  390. Body by Science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Work out once a week for less than 30 minutes as hard as you can with weights. it's a little more complicated than that so buy the book. It works.

  391. Re:This is a classic case of everything wrong w/ I by /dev/trash · · Score: 1

    He doesn't need a union to a) tell him to move closer to work b) find another job.

    hell I worked in a union shop and the job sucked. So what did I do? I found another job and quit.

  392. Think about the future by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're dedicated enough to your job to drive 3 hours a day and then work 12 hour shifts...maybe you should just consider moving closer to your job. It'll save you time, gas money and you'll have time to work out...makes since in the long run (no pun intended).