"Sounds very similar to the Dock in OS X. With a good VM and inter-app communications (also in OS X), for the most part it doesn't matter if an app is currently running or not, as soon as you need it it will be. "
Hardly. The dock just seems like a graphical version of the taskbar, but with a few more features. It is not what he is talkking about.
"This is all very nice and good, but what if you wanted to use a spreadsheet instead? Not everyone wants to only use a word processor. "
You can't take everything in this artical literlary. He is giving ideas here, not an exact command on what would happen. Picking on little things like that is just irrelivent. I think he is just using the word processor as an example.
"Okay, so now I need a keyboard which has an extra 20 buttons for the apps that I want to be able to access. Great. Saving state on exit is a good idea, but that can already be done. You may have already seen it - it's the 'document changed; save?' dialog box. "
Why are you flaming an idea that you have absolutly no understanding of? SO what if the keyboard has 20 extra butons. If the UI is designed properly. The amound of buttons on the keyboards is so stupidly irrelivent in the long run. Are we seriously going to keep the same keyboard layout for the next 50 years? Thats just silly.
WRONG! It doen't already exist, unless ur talking about PalmOS. When you no longer want to use an application, you have to quit the application, and be bugged to save changes for each document.
I think what he is talking about is something around the lines that you quit. And thats all you need to do. Next time you open up that app. Eveything will be just the way you left it. the unsaved documents will still have the changes there.
"This is where I laughed the most. The OS doesn't "get in the way", it provides basic services that all applications need."
I don't think he means to get rid of the OS in the way you mean. I think he means that the user should not need to interect with the OS as much as they do now.
The only reason that people use the OS so much, is becasue the UI for the iteration between the apps has been poorly done. But is the norm. as he pointed out. You shouldn't really ever need to use the OS GUI if all the apps.. and OS are designed properly.
After all, the OS operates the system. It should not really be the interface to the computer.
I'd have to agree. Cellphones also take alot of power for transmition. If it is really, I thing it would only be for city use.
Also, the seem to have heaps of headlines in their media section, but they arn't links. Probably fake. If you had 20 people, with articals about ur new product, you would want to link to them, wouldn't you?
And a paper laptop.. for $20... Get real. Unless it's got the power and GUI of a $2 pocket game thing.
Microsoft itself has found that only 10% of users even use a right click AT ALL, EVER
Well, we all know what most win users are like anyway. I also be alot of Mac users don't know about the other modifier keys aswell.
I guess you don't know how to use a modifier key? Ctl-click for contextual menus too complex a sequence for you to remember?
But the right mouse button IS a modifier key. It's just been put on the mouse to make it easier CAN"T ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT? And don't tell me for one second that clicking one button, isn't easier than holding down a key and clicking.
I'm not supporting either side here. I'm just tring to say that adding a another button isn't that bigger deal. Once again, all this 2 mouse buttons make things more complexe argument is just BS.
Please, for f's sake, maybe you need to get over it. MacOS is just as bad when it comes to needing 3 mouse buttons, the only thing is, you have to hold down a button on the keyboard, it's the exact same thing. So do give me any of this OS whatever is not designed properly BS.
A wheel button is hardly needless, I find it way more better than using scroll bars, or using page down.
Windows can be used with one mouse button. I'm not sure what the key is, but it's there, and if it isn't, it could easly be added. There is no difference beween the functionality of MacOS and WinXX when it come to the pointing device. How many time am I going to have to say this?
Chorded mouse commands are exactly the same as chorded keyboard commands. It's just that the buttons are in a differnt place.
Also, more to the point. You can't attach a mouse to the laptop all the time. At least a scroll wheel would have been nice. Apple could have been the 1st ppl to put a scroll wheel on a laptop. And also adding one of those pointing stick type mice to the keyboard, would have been good aswell. That way, you can have the best of both worlds.
I had a look at the site, and it looks really good (I'm not on a mac at the moment). But one thing i could help noticeing was the fact that it didn't have any dort of jog/suttle/slider conrtol to navagate in songs quickly. Is there an option to have one? As I think it's pretty much a standard (and extreamy useful) thing to have one any sort of media play nowdays.
One point I'd like to make about this whole mouse button things is that it has nothing to do with how efficent either OS is. Remember, In macOS, you hold down one of the keys (usaly control) instead of using the right mouse button.
So all this talk about MacOS being more effecint, or Win is have more features is really irrelivent, cause they really have the same way of doing it, just that way you click it in a differnt way.
Still, I prefere 2 mouse buttons and a wheel button.
If people had the same way about keyboards, my argument would be more obvious. "Hey, why don't we make the keyboard more simpler, and easier to use by removing 1/2 the keys". Reducsing buttons dosen't immediatly make something more easier to use.
I believe that while (as is obvious to any Slashdot reader) USA is far from a perfect place to live as
far as your freedom is concerned, it is still the best choice out there.
Huh? I have respect for basicly evey other comment out there, except for this one. Simply becasue you said it was the best choice, which bascicly says that every other country is inferior.
I live in New Zealand, and things seems pretty fine here to me. Sure, I could name about 100 things to improve it, but if I went to the US, I could also come up with 100 things that I would like to change.
Just casue America suits you, It dosn't mean it suits everyone else. To you, it may be the best. But to other people it may not be.
So while it might happen that some concessions to the corporate world are made, i think that US
has the best chance of any country in this battle, should they chose to undertake it.
Acctually, I think NZ would be the place to be in a war... Simply becasue we aren't a target. The US might have the most fire power, but dosn't mean that you arn't a target (the cold war?). Infact, our government are considering seling off our Sky Hawks. It's not like our 10(at the most) Sky Hawks have any sort of chance against anything else anyway. The money is probably better off spent of health care, or education, which is the plane, if it goes ahead.
Ha!, wya well, We al know whats really going on now don't we.
MS had there system "brocken into", and now there's a warning saying that it could be comprimising ur security etc.. to ur computer. And MS have the perfect alibie for it.. "well, it must have happend when some of our source code was hached". Becasue if i remeber correctly, there was an artical on MS a while ago, about MS building a backdorr for the CIA or some other group with 3 letters that people get really paranoid about.
Sorry if what i just typed is unreadable, and dosn't kake any sence, but i havn't been much doing work lattely, and i thnk my brain is dissintergating. after all, ur brain is a like anyother mussle, if u don't use it, it will fade away. Or maybe i'm just lazy...
I spose i should have read the artical first, or even just read a few posts so i know what i'm talking about. But then again, that wouldn't be doing it the/. way.
Oh yeah.. it's nre year eve here in NZ, and i'm planing to (well, lack of plan really) to stay at home, hell, i might even go to bed before 12.
Well, I;m doing a multimeadia course. And we have a similar set up, except it's not called a "war room"(?).
There are 25 computers in the room, and all are in pods of 4 (5 pods... logicly). The 4 computers face inwards to the pole with all the network cables and stuff. The pods are arranges like the 5 pattern on a dice, there's plenty of space to move about beween them. I think it works out really well. Can't imagine learing anything if they had a cubical environment. So i spose the same would apply to work (you still learn stuff there).
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Companies today like Pioneer have entire fields devoted to this same practice of aggressively
cross-breeding various staples in efforts to yield more disease-resistant, larger, tastier foods. Why,
oh why, do people not get just as worked up over aggressive cross-breeding as they do over
laboratory-based genetic engineering? Is it our obsession with the whole natural = right, artificial =
wrong? If so, just keep reminding yourself that glasses are extremely unnatural, whereas the
Bubonic Plague is 100% pure Mother Earth.
Yes, the bubonic plague is 100% mother earth. But thats got nothing to do with an apple or something, we know that something like an apple is safe. Letting mother nature do most of the work is alot safter, because only very small changes happen. It's not a sudden modification. Infact we make genetic modifications when we sex/reproduce.
Cross breeding is alot differnt to what we are talking about here.
I think when we talk about GM, were talkng about directly messing with the genes. Not cross breeding 2 similar subjects. If you where to cross breed a toad with a potatoe. It wouldn't do anything. But this has been done geneticly.
Do you realize the risks with using GM crops? If something like that rice that dosn't reproduce is accidenly modifed, and as a result, fertilizes other, normal rice crops. It would be a total disaster. And there would be no way of stopping it.
Well.. look at it this way.. if those cable are that sussepable to interference. The you are all ready in deep doo-doo condidering how many other wires, especialy power cables run right next to them.
Off the top if my head, Ethernet cables would generaly be alot longer in length, which is why they might double up. I think lenght/resistance is the biggest killer, as opposed to interferance from other cables.
but the new standards are improving HTML. thats the whole point. There are new and better ways to make web pages, that are far better that HTML. But they're arn't being supported. There are all written down. They are in most HTML books. People know how to code it, how it works, but it either doesn't work, doesn't work properly.
Actually, we are already at HTML 4, CSS 2, DOM, XML. HTML was left a long time ago. If all these standards where up and working in every browser. Then web designers would be able to make better GUI interfaces for web-sites.
At the moment, alot of these new standards are just things that web-designers play around with at home in there spare time.
(1) Standards compliance is for weenies. I don't give a shit about standards compliance as long as
my browser works with the sites I visit. Standards compliance issues seem largely an excuse for the
anti-Microsoft camp to bitch about IE when they've run out of meaningful reasons. In the words of a
local talk radio program, "A non factor."
But if your browser isn't standards compliant, the sites you visit may not work.
I'm sorry if you can't see the logic in this, but I can. STANDARDS ARE IMPORTANT.
This is one of the two most important things about the browser (if not the 1st). The other being how the program runs; stability, GUI, speed, etc.
I'm not sure if you've done any web-design at all. Maybe you should if you havn't, to get an idea.
I know that I spend hours trying to get different browses to render my page properly. And I'm not the only one.
so once again, or everyones benefit.... STANDARDS ARE IMPORTANT.
Well.. I know it's there, and i'm not ashamed of using it. But the main reason I support IE and not NN is because it supports the standards better.
It's that same with alot of people I know, They use IE becasue they know it's a better browser.
And when someone who isn;t computer literate asks, I tell them to use IE,
It's got nothing to do with advertising. It's to do with that fact the people are getting sick using javascript and/or making 2 sites for differnt browsers.
I'm a web designer, stuff like CSS is very usefull to me. I get excited when new this like this come out, and want to use them on web-pages. But I usaly never do, becasue my site won't come out in a certian browser. That's the problem, not advertising.
The only time I have ever used this is when i accidently click on "open in link composer" instead of "Open in new window", then i have to wait for the whole page to downlaod before I can close it (grrrrrr). Oh well.. I hope they fix this bug (there they should be well apart, and/or have a stop button in composer).
At least when u go "open in new window", it opens it up as whatever the last window was set as (maximised in my case). IE aways insistes on opening it un-maximized... also annoying.
Funny thing is, when i make a web-site.. IE is my best friend, as NN always stuffs up my complient code. BUt when i'm browsing other sites. I use NN, casue IE to slow for me (when i do a right click, i expect a menu instantly.. not in a few seconds).
IMHO, they both need to get there act together.
Oh well.. there's my rant for the day, hope you enjoyed it.
I'm doing a multimedia course in NZ at the moment. And we had one of the guys from Weta come and talk to us about all this kinda stuff.
He went into more detail then the artical, including the AI system they are using to make the battle scenes. They apparently have differnt behaviours for the different creatures, And they give them intelligence levels, stamina, stuff like that. Also they might fight differently for each creature they fight with, limp if they are hurt, etc.
I'm not sure if there's anything on the net about it, that can explain it better than what i can. But it seems pretty interesting stuff. Maybe if i ask them nicely, they'll let me play round with there system for a while.
Well you see... the problem with OCR is that you end up going the through the whole thing anyway, to fix all the errors. Thats if they even have any OCR software.
You see, I live in New Zealand. So let me tell you a bit about it.
First of all... New Zealand is a small province off the coast of Australia. Not a seperate country as some people think.
And, there are lots of sheep. They're everywhere. Infact, most familes have a sheep as a pet (no need to go into detail here). Sheep are infact considered a native species here in NZ. And they are allowed to roam freely amongst the villages and gravel roads.
Occassionaly... we do have power outages. But this is usaly only in Auckland. And is casued by a bird or something getting sucked in to the one and only two-stroke generator.
We do have some nice skiing though... according to Bill.
We are also well knowen for our kangaroos.
Seriouly though... it does kinda piss me off that this has gone though. I was kinda hoping that our country would be last for something like this.
But then again. There arn't that many terrorists in NZ anyway. so I spose the guy is right really. Damn, all that witty sarcasim for nothing.
Question is though, which country is going to be next?
And what other new laws are going to be passed? Should I be supprisd when I see an SIS agent wandering through my house, and sitting down to use my computer like he owns the place? Will locks have to be removed from toilets? What about frosted windows in the bathroom? Won't me and my sheep have a place where we can go to be alone?
"Take a look at the "material" closeup shots on the Sony site, and I think you'll find it looks really nice."
When u setup lighting light that... making sure to get all those cool refections, and spend heaps of time in photoshop pissing around with the images -- Like sony has -- I'm sure u could even get a toilet seat to look sexy...
I personal don't think it's that bad. But I wouldn't be seen with one... Especially with V A I O molded in HUGE letters across the top.
One thing i can't understand -- which has been brought up again -- is this hatetred towards the design of the iMac... Have any of u guys ever looks at the latest macs? What geek can honestly tell me they hate a computer that lets u see all of the insides... with out even having to take the cover off. Sure the 1000's of rip-off designs look like crap, but not the macs.
...Al Gore--owner of the internet--has just been charged $800,000,000.00 for the following: Child porn, prirating software, illegal trading of MP3z........
A one pound heatsink? I don't think we'll be seeing the P4-powered laptop anytime soon. Then
again, what are you doing with your laptop that you need more than 800MHz or so?
Ray tracing/3d modeling... Thats why i'm getting a desktop for my next PC, even though I'd prefer a laptop.
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Hardly. The dock just seems like a graphical version of the taskbar, but with a few more features. It is not what he is talkking about.
"This is all very nice and good, but what if you wanted to use a spreadsheet instead? Not everyone wants to only use a word processor. "
You can't take everything in this artical literlary. He is giving ideas here, not an exact command on what would happen. Picking on little things like that is just irrelivent. I think he is just using the word processor as an example.
"Okay, so now I need a keyboard which has an extra 20 buttons for the apps that I want to be able to access. Great. Saving state on exit is a good idea, but that can already be done. You may have already seen it - it's the 'document changed; save?' dialog box. "
Why are you flaming an idea that you have absolutly no understanding of? SO what if the keyboard has 20 extra butons. If the UI is designed properly. The amound of buttons on the keyboards is so stupidly irrelivent in the long run. Are we seriously going to keep the same keyboard layout for the next 50 years? Thats just silly.
WRONG! It doen't already exist, unless ur talking about PalmOS. When you no longer want to use an application, you have to quit the application, and be bugged to save changes for each document.
I think what he is talking about is something around the lines that you quit. And thats all you need to do. Next time you open up that app. Eveything will be just the way you left it. the unsaved documents will still have the changes there.
"This is where I laughed the most. The OS doesn't "get in the way", it provides basic services that all applications need."
I don't think he means to get rid of the OS in the way you mean. I think he means that the user should not need to interect with the OS as much as they do now.
The only reason that people use the OS so much, is becasue the UI for the iteration between the apps has been poorly done. But is the norm. as he pointed out. You shouldn't really ever need to use the OS GUI if all the apps.. and OS are designed properly.
After all, the OS operates the system. It should not really be the interface to the computer.
Also, the seem to have heaps of headlines in their media section, but they arn't links. Probably fake. If you had 20 people, with articals about ur new product, you would want to link to them, wouldn't you?
And a paper laptop.. for $20... Get real. Unless it's got the power and GUI of a $2 pocket game thing.
Well, we all know what most win users are like anyway. I also be alot of Mac users don't know about the other modifier keys aswell.
I guess you don't know how to use a modifier key? Ctl-click for contextual menus too complex a sequence for you to remember?
But the right mouse button IS a modifier key. It's just been put on the mouse to make it easier CAN"T ANYONE UNDERSTAND THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT?
And don't tell me for one second that clicking one button, isn't easier than holding down a key and clicking.
I'm not supporting either side here. I'm just tring to say that adding a another button isn't that bigger deal. Once again, all this 2 mouse buttons make things more complexe argument is just BS.
A wheel button is hardly needless, I find it way more better than using scroll bars, or using page down.
Windows can be used with one mouse button. I'm not sure what the key is, but it's there, and if it isn't, it could easly be added. There is no difference beween the functionality of MacOS and WinXX when it come to the pointing device. How many time am I going to have to say this?
Chorded mouse commands are exactly the same as chorded keyboard commands. It's just that the buttons are in a differnt place.
Also, more to the point. You can't attach a mouse to the laptop all the time. At least a scroll wheel would have been nice. Apple could have been the 1st ppl to put a scroll wheel on a laptop. And also adding one of those pointing stick type mice to the keyboard, would have been good aswell. That way, you can have the best of both worlds.
So all this talk about MacOS being more effecint, or Win is have more features is really irrelivent, cause they really have the same way of doing it, just that way you click it in a differnt way.
Still, I prefere 2 mouse buttons and a wheel button.
If people had the same way about keyboards, my argument would be more obvious. "Hey, why don't we make the keyboard more simpler, and easier to use by removing 1/2 the keys". Reducsing buttons dosen't immediatly make something more easier to use.
Huh? I have respect for basicly evey other comment out there, except for this one. Simply becasue you said it was the best choice, which bascicly says that every other country is inferior.
I live in New Zealand, and things seems pretty fine here to me. Sure, I could name about 100 things to improve it, but if I went to the US, I could also come up with 100 things that I would like to change.
Just casue America suits you, It dosn't mean it suits everyone else. To you, it may be the best. But to other people it may not be.
So while it might happen that some concessions to the corporate world are made, i think that US has the best chance of any country in this battle, should they chose to undertake it.
Acctually, I think NZ would be the place to be in a war... Simply becasue we aren't a target. The US might have the most fire power, but dosn't mean that you arn't a target (the cold war?). Infact, our government are considering seling off our Sky Hawks. It's not like our 10(at the most) Sky Hawks have any sort of chance against anything else anyway. The money is probably better off spent of health care, or education, which is the plane, if it goes ahead.
Well, thats my 42% of $0.02.
MS had there system "brocken into", and now there's a warning saying that it could be comprimising ur security etc.. to ur computer. And MS have the perfect alibie for it.. "well, it must have happend when some of our source code was hached". Becasue if i remeber correctly, there was an artical on MS a while ago, about MS building a backdorr for the CIA or some other group with 3 letters that people get really paranoid about.
Sorry if what i just typed is unreadable, and dosn't kake any sence, but i havn't been much doing work lattely, and i thnk my brain is dissintergating. after all, ur brain is a like anyother mussle, if u don't use it, it will fade away. Or maybe i'm just lazy...
I spose i should have read the artical first, or even just read a few posts so i know what i'm talking about. But then again, that wouldn't be doing it the /. way.
Oh yeah.. it's nre year eve here in NZ, and i'm planing to (well, lack of plan really) to stay at home, hell, i might even go to bed before 12.
I wouldn't. Maybe you are a hypocrite, but I'm not.
As much as people may think goat.cx sucks, they still have a right to exist.
Anyone silly enough to go the link more than once deserves to see what they see anyway.
There are 25 computers in the room, and all are in pods of 4 (5 pods... logicly). The 4 computers face inwards to the pole with all the network cables and stuff. The pods are arranges like the 5 pattern on a dice, there's plenty of space to move about beween them. I think it works out really well. Can't imagine learing anything if they had a cubical environment. So i spose the same would apply to work (you still learn stuff there).
Yes, the bubonic plague is 100% mother earth. But thats got nothing to do with an apple or something, we know that something like an apple is safe. Letting mother nature do most of the work is alot safter, because only very small changes happen. It's not a sudden modification. Infact we make genetic modifications when we sex/reproduce.
Cross breeding is alot differnt to what we are talking about here.
I think when we talk about GM, were talkng about directly messing with the genes. Not cross breeding 2 similar subjects. If you where to cross breed a toad with a potatoe. It wouldn't do anything. But this has been done geneticly.
Do you realize the risks with using GM crops? If something like that rice that dosn't reproduce is accidenly modifed, and as a result, fertilizes other, normal rice crops. It would be a total disaster. And there would be no way of stopping it.
Off the top if my head, Ethernet cables would generaly be alot longer in length, which is why they might double up. I think lenght/resistance is the biggest killer, as opposed to interferance from other cables.
Actually, we are already at HTML 4, CSS 2, DOM, XML. HTML was left a long time ago. If all these standards where up and working in every browser. Then web designers would be able to make better GUI interfaces for web-sites.
At the moment, alot of these new standards are just things that web-designers play around with at home in there spare time.
But if your browser isn't standards compliant, the sites you visit may not work.
I'm sorry if you can't see the logic in this, but I can. STANDARDS ARE IMPORTANT.
This is one of the two most important things about the browser (if not the 1st). The other being how the program runs; stability, GUI, speed, etc.
I'm not sure if you've done any web-design at all. Maybe you should if you havn't, to get an idea.
I know that I spend hours trying to get different browses to render my page properly. And I'm not the only one.
so once again, or everyones benefit.... STANDARDS ARE IMPORTANT.
Well.. I know it's there, and i'm not ashamed of using it. But the main reason I support IE and not NN is because it supports the standards better.
It's that same with alot of people I know, They use IE becasue they know it's a better browser.
And when someone who isn;t computer literate asks, I tell them to use IE,
It's got nothing to do with advertising. It's to do with that fact the people are getting sick using javascript and/or making 2 sites for differnt browsers.
I'm a web designer, stuff like CSS is very usefull to me. I get excited when new this like this come out, and want to use them on web-pages. But I usaly never do, becasue my site won't come out in a certian browser. That's the problem, not advertising.
The dreaded NN HTML editor!!!!
The only time I have ever used this is when i accidently click on "open in link composer" instead of "Open in new window", then i have to wait for the whole page to downlaod before I can close it (grrrrrr). Oh well.. I hope they fix this bug (there they should be well apart, and/or have a stop button in composer).
At least when u go "open in new window", it opens it up as whatever the last window was set as (maximised in my case). IE aways insistes on opening it un-maximized... also annoying.
Funny thing is, when i make a web-site.. IE is my best friend, as NN always stuffs up my complient code. BUt when i'm browsing other sites. I use NN, casue IE to slow for me (when i do a right click, i expect a menu instantly.. not in a few seconds).
IMHO, they both need to get there act together. Oh well.. there's my rant for the day, hope you enjoyed it.
He went into more detail then the artical, including the AI system they are using to make the battle scenes. They apparently have differnt behaviours for the different creatures, And they give them intelligence levels, stamina, stuff like that. Also they might fight differently for each creature they fight with, limp if they are hurt, etc.
I'm not sure if there's anything on the net about it, that can explain it better than what i can. But it seems pretty interesting stuff. Maybe if i ask them nicely, they'll let me play round with there system for a while.
And it's only 152kbs. Honestly, get over it.
You see, I live in New Zealand. So let me tell you a bit about it.
First of all... New Zealand is a small province off the coast of Australia. Not a seperate country as some people think. And, there are lots of sheep. They're everywhere. Infact, most familes have a sheep as a pet (no need to go into detail here). Sheep are infact considered a native species here in NZ. And they are allowed to roam freely amongst the villages and gravel roads.
Occassionaly... we do have power outages. But this is usaly only in Auckland. And is casued by a bird or something getting sucked in to the one and only two-stroke generator.
We do have some nice skiing though... according to Bill.
We are also well knowen for our kangaroos.
Seriouly though... it does kinda piss me off that this has gone though. I was kinda hoping that our country would be last for something like this.
But then again. There arn't that many terrorists in NZ anyway. so I spose the guy is right really. Damn, all that witty sarcasim for nothing.
Question is though, which country is going to be next?
And what other new laws are going to be passed? Should I be supprisd when I see an SIS agent wandering through my house, and sitting down to use my computer like he owns the place? Will locks have to be removed from toilets? What about frosted windows in the bathroom? Won't me and my sheep have a place where we can go to be alone?
*sigh*
Alot of sites use a keyword to bring up an add related to the topic.
Goto yahoo and do a search on cars. You'll probably get a car add... a search on OS's you'll probably end up with an add for Win2000 etc.
When u setup lighting light that... making sure to get all those cool refections, and spend heaps of time in photoshop pissing around with the images -- Like sony has -- I'm sure u could even get a toilet seat to look sexy...
I personal don't think it's that bad. But I wouldn't be seen with one... Especially with V A I O molded in HUGE letters across the top.
One thing i can't understand -- which has been brought up again -- is this hatetred towards the design of the iMac... Have any of u guys ever looks at the latest macs? What geek can honestly tell me they hate a computer that lets u see all of the insides... with out even having to take the cover off. Sure the 1000's of rip-off designs look like crap, but not the macs.
Guess owning the net does have its downsides.
Ray tracing/3d modeling... Thats why i'm getting a desktop for my next PC, even though I'd prefer a laptop.