Listen, what ever the slashdot crew does, they have to stick to their guns at all times no matter what.
If they decide to keep the comments up, any other company, person, thing complaining about slashdot posts, the crew has to say "We don't remove posts"
If they decided to delete the comments, any other company, person, thing complaining about slashdot posts, the crew has to say "We will delete posts with just cause"
When the crew decides what to do, they got to stick with it always no matter how tough it is going to be. If the say remove posts from the Microsofts post and Apple comes to them and says "You have our IP on your forums, delete it", the crew has to say "done and done Mr. Apple"
And if they don't delete Microsofts posts when Apple comes up with a simplair complaint the crew has to say "We don't remove posts, we didn't take down MS's IP and we sure as hell ain't doing it for you"
Seriously (I am talking to the crew) you must decide your policy and stick with it, no matter what the policy is and no matter how difficult it may be. When you decide on this M$ case, you are setting it in stone, so make a wise choice.
The FTC estimates that U.S. consumers may have paid as much as $480 million more than they should have for CDs and other music because of these policies over the last three years.
No wonder the RIAA hates.mp3 so much, $480 Million
actucally there where "pour hot grits in my pants" shirt, but they where took off the market when people started getting seriouly injured and thrid degree burns on their legs...
I don't understand this, if they are (rumored to)having hardware problems why are they selling them in Japan?
Second if 2 mill sold in Japan already, don't you think 1 mil for USA is going to be pushing it? Right around Christmas time too.
The company said the new system also supports the existing PlayStation software catalog of more than 800 titles now on the market.
That is extremely cool, I hadn't heard that before. That is a good idea, remeber Ninetdo, Super Ninetdo, N64, game boy? All there games where incompatiable. i remeber back to the days of the Turbo GX 16, which used flash cards for the console, and the cards where so small they even worked in it's portable device, it was amazing to me at the time.
And if Linux users are honest, they'll admit it is entirely possible to write a mail program for Linux that is as dangerous as Outlook.
Riiiiggght
It is possiable, but no has yet written one. Why? Ok, first you must write a mail client, sure they aren't that hard to write and the mail protocol is well documenated, but after you spent weeks/months/years getting your mail client out. For people to use it, it has to be good. So you have to write a dam good mail client, better than pine, mutt, kmail, elm and all the other combined.
So what do you have, a really nice mail client, that is being used by say %50 of the linux users (mail clients are like editors, people don't change them much). So what this take, 1 year of your time?
Also all the souce must be under the GPL or opensouce or the GNU/Linux Zealots of the world will ban you from slashdot and beat you with sticks
OK, now the source is open for anyone to look at (and also find your bug) and Unix users would go "Hrmm that is really strange it automatically executed the bash script my freind sent me......... I have see this somewhere before, like a dream, more like a nightmare of hellishOUTLOOK EXPRESS!! DAM YOU!" and within minutes Cert, Distro Inc, Slashdot, Securtiy Focus would all post this "fearture". Then on or two things would happen, either they take it out of the source or no one will ever use your program again... and how many people did you infect? 2-3?
One year of your time to do something malice? Come one, lets review the script kiddies hand book, would this really give them the most BANG for the buck?
Why don't they just code a 30 minute visual basic worm, pop it on their schools WinXX network and watch 100 users start screaming?
I agree you COULD write a email client that is dangerous as outlook express, but no one that has an IQ over 20 is going to do this... and err uh ummm Microsoft
Even if you had outlook running on linux (though maybe Wine?) what is the MOST harm you could cause to the Linux system running as normaluser?
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I still have my hotmail account, I use it as my "spam bucket". You know those free website that offer free accounts (like the new york times), but you have to give them you email address? Also when registor with search engines, sign up FREE to win crap out there, just use a hotmail account and see how long it takes to fill completly full with spam (it took mine 3 days!)...
A neat treat though, just put a filter in to filter out anything with 'A' in the subject, they allow like 5-10 filters, so delete everything that has a vowel in the subject line!
Do you have anything to hide? Let me dig though your house without permission? Do you have anything to hide, let me follow you around for 24x7 for 2 months watching EVERYTHING you do.
Even if you are a %100 pure saint and never have or never will commit a sin, it is still creepy having people watch you when you don't want to
Care if I stand over you and watch you while you sleep? Creepy? Yes. I like to remain anonymous while I sleep and also when I take a shower, I don't have anything to hide, but I don't want people to have access to that information...
I like paying the middleman, Bob from accounting is one cool dude, also I have all of Ricks marketing progranda (commericals, posters) etc, rick is the marketing God! Go Rick and Bob, they make a super middleman team.
uh I paid $2 for a debian cd and someone in my lugi gave me a staroffice for free... I put them in my cd-rom drive, and what do you know, they had content on them, good content to, it tasted like melted butter
But you have a good point, ANYONE ANYWHERE could signup on this "legally binding document" and there is really no way to tell who really behind IP 209.272.218.128, they should atleast require a pgp signature (even though this would still have problems) or even better yet, print it out, sign it and have 2 witnesses sign it, and fax it in with 2 forms of photo ID.
I remeber like 2-3 years ago, the Internet has just one big ass "Hoax" no one took anything serious on the Internet, it was more of a "play toy" for geeks and porn haven for preverts and that was it, now we are passing around credit card numbers and "legally binding documents" on the web and just expect it to work on in the real world. I view the real world and the Internet a whole lot differant. These world are just that, too differant and unrelated worlds.
This is one of the times where people would need to be tracked on the Internet, to tell how the really are, but at the same time certain things we do or don't do on the Internet should remain private.
Would pgp keys work in this sisuation? I think the Internet should remain %100 anonymous, unless the user wants to be known (and can also prove that they say who they really are), but when a user does want to prove that they are really who they say there are, there needs to be a sure %100 method of doing this. Maybe goverment issused PGP or simlair? (Sorry I don't know much about pgp, so this probably sounds really fsck stupid)
True, look at Gnome, KDE and the 100 other "easy to use" windows managers. Most of these windows managers had little or no suits involved in the process of creating them. But remarkly, they are simple to use, look good, and have good qualities (has ANY EVERY had a non-alpha windows manager crash on them?)
But without the "suits" involved, the developers/coders know that they should "hard code" their windows manager into X and know that X shouldn't be hard coded into the (linux, *bsd, other) kernel.
IceWM looks just like Windows95, but you know what, IceWM is FAST and there is no way IceWM can crash the entire OS
IceWM is also very easy to use and could target a large number of users, for example I am willing to bet that it would take an average user 5 minutes or less to learn IceWM if they are famlair with the windows shell
True, you make a lot of good boys (gb cheap, durable, better display (in some ways)).
Sure the palm costs more than the gb, but if people already have them, why not? The concept works well for PC owns, why buy a psx when you already have a computer (even though it is for boring stuff like work) sitting on your desk with more cpu?
Durable, yea, this would really be bad in the little kids market, wonder how they do in "I am a grown up and take care of my stuff, but still am immature and play video games" (I would fall into this category)
Grey scale lousy refresh lcd has got to suck (haven't even looked at the palm, so I will take your word on it (after all it was said on slashdot so it has to be true))
But for the 20-26 year old "kids", most of us could justifice buying a palm "Yea, it is for business purposes only, uh huh it will be used for purely proffesinal reasons only" then we turn around and load quake, final fanasty and zelda on it as we walk away and say "sucker"
If my freinds walked in on me with my pants down and a game boy in my hands, they would get a little freaked out. but sitting naked with a palm is understandable, because it looks more like an adult computer than a kids game machine.
Uh Riiiigggght, I think that is a bad example...
Ok, in a business meeting, you can either take your palm or gb, which would it be? Ok that is a better example, but after the meeting, on your lunch break, who should care if you get some head counts in quake?
You know the stock market crash everyone has been hyping about, it is coming, and this is going to be a big part of it. Think about, all the tech stocks are over rated, now we call all these people in the tech market playing quake say "Yea, I will get right on it, first though I must FRAG some people in my address book, I mean call some people in my address book about venture captial... yea that's the ticket"
Seriously though, quake on the palm, this is cool and all, but seriously do you have a Quake tic-tac-toe game in your paper address book?
If I had a palm though, I would be so totally on this man.
It would be cool to fit the palm into the Game Boy market, it is small, portable and can do a lot more than the gb, just wondering which one has the most cpu crunching power, palm? How are the displays on the palms?
True, but developing a "web site" in an open source fashion is a little bit tricker. If you start building a web site from the ground up with flexiable in mind, it can work out well. But if you have a current web site that is "hand fitted" to the companies goals (news for nerds, open source develop) and try to release this, it can and is most offen a huge mess.
Look at it this way, slashcode is a lot like sourceforge, they are an open source project, but they are also a LIVE web site. Being that this code has to be used NOW AND FOR THIS, it is hard to push in new feartures.
It is difficult to put in new feartures in a live web site, because
1) the site can't go down because of a programming error.
2) The site has to do what it was meant for.
3) the site has to be tested first
4) sometimes the interface it "attached" to the code, and it is extremely difficult to pull apart
5) ussually, speed is more of a concern (with a large site like/. or sourceforge) then portablity/flexablilty
I think it would be a better idea to have 2 version in this case. Have the slashcode or source forge that ran the site (put under the GPL of course) and also have a developers version that focuses on a more portable design (under the GPL also), which developers where encouraged to work on the developers version, and "pull" all of the goodies out of the version that ran on the live sites.
This way the open source developers could work on their version for their own purposes, and the paid employees at VA Linux or slashdot could work on their version for the live site. Have both version avaiable under the GPL, and if an open source developer wants to "pick" out of all good stuff from the live site, then so be it. and if the paid employees want to "pick" out the good stuff from the developers version, so be it.
This way, the site will still run and the developers could add feartures/test without having to worry if Rob needs fewer SQL transactions or not... and Rob could worry about cutting down on SQL transactions while the developers "split" the interface into a more portable way...
One thing I thought would be cool is to make slashdot into a bunch of modules (not my idea, seen it posted on slashcode.org first), which is cool from a "fun thing to do if I get bored looking at portman pics" sort of thing. But Rob on the other hand, needs the site to server 1 million or so geeks a day, and it would be in more of his intrest to make the site super fast and not bother with "fixing something that isn't broken" type of thing. So from the "Senior Developers" point of view, it would be better to tweak out the site, rather than waste time making a nice neat little package, I think VA Linux might be the same way in some respects.
Forking is ussually a bad thing, but this would have it's benifits, the people that wanted to package every thing up and make a nice, neat, easy to configure, multi-platform version with portablilty in mind could do this. The other version would be of the people employeed full time on it, developing it to fit the task at hand (ie. there web site)
there would have to be a good communication between the two groups, and they both should try and stick with some of the same concepts so that each other group can share code, and if group a has a really neat hack, group b can implenet it into their version of the code.
Having 20 thousand people working on one live web site, could get REALLY MESSY REALLY QUICK. So there has to be some type of separtion between the people devloping the "live" site, and the people devloping the "portable multi-funcational" site. Both will come up with good ideas that the other group can use, both will come up with bad ideas that the other group SHOULDN'T use.
I would like to put a "percentage of hot grits currently in pants" meter on slashdot, but it won't work with the live site, it would be better to fork off and build my own "grits meter slash box" out of the slashcode...
My vote (if I get a vote) is to fork into two projects, both release under the GPL and code/release/develop as they see fit, while both groups are free to take code from the other project.
Do you know how many freaking vi clones are out there? why can't there be more than one "source forge" project?
I don't remeber the Atari's, but the group of geeks I ran with all had Commdore64s, my freind got the "pimped out" Commodore128 also about the same time a new VCR with the non-cable (2 plugs, 1 video, 1 audio) and she tweaked it out to push though her TV, it was really sweet. TV was good for computer back then though, because even the LASTEST HOTTEST AND GREASTEST games couldn't do over 256 color at 320x200, so it worked out nice. I have doubts if they could do 16 colors now that I think about it
On of the cool things about her commondore going though the VCR like that, is you could record what she did, I remember watching about 2 hours of her write a small BASIC program, I remember thinking that I should have borrowed a BASIC book:)
BASIC was 1337 when it was also your OS!
Can I get an ASM, C++ or JAVA shell please? (there is actucally a Perl shell btw, seriously)
the scary part about this, is that alt.binaries.nospam.teenfem really exists, and I just thought it was a joke. I was actucally looking for the alt.binaries.spam.teenfem, portman covered in raw can meat Mmmmm
that is alright, on the fun side of things, this newsgroup is now wondering why they have 600X the request for portman pics, and the "normals" are getting confused on if "Hot grits in the pants" is a viable option that really shoul be acted out and not just expessed.
Since this is the #17 post, hopefully most trolls have left us already in search of naked portman pics, that reminds me.... uh I mean
One of the cool things I was thinking this printer could be used for (besides p0rn) would be playstation/dream cast games. Take a snap shot of beating Metal Gear Solid on "Super freaking tough" mode without dying once and only using the "Neck Snap Move" (Weapons are for wimps, real men break necks with their bare hands).
But the suck thing is, why not just get a video capture card, pull in the pic into the computer and print it out on your printer? This way you could also forge, I mean clean up any defects in the pic.
Also, this is my idea to make millions, so no one steal it, it is copyrighted, well it will be, but I will post the idea first, I will get the copyright in a couple day;)
Have the ALL TEXT ALL THE TIME CHANNEL for people that own these printer. Just spew books across the TV screen, then the user can print them out!
Seriously though, it is a neat geek idea, but really how usefull? I remeber when I was a kid (about 2 hours ago, I became I man once I checked out alt.binaries.nospam.teenfem) I just took a camera and took a picture of the screen and developed the film. It worked and I still have pictures of pictures on the TV of some guy hold a picture of close up's of saturn... and it looks dam good to!
I bet webTV owns would dig these though. If my grandparents surfed the web though webTV, this would make a nice gift.
Yea sourceforge is part of VA linux, but freenet is an open source (GPL IIRC) program that is not affilated with VA Linux (that I know of), VA Linux is cool enough to host open source projects on their servers (ie. sourceforge.org). sourceforge.net gives up server space/bandwidth/maintaince to open source developers, which IMHO is really cool of them (no I don't work for them).
Sorry I posted the wrong URL last time, the correct address is:
Slashdot Mirror
Listen, what ever the slashdot crew does, they have to stick to their guns at all times no matter what.
If they decide to keep the comments up, any other company, person, thing complaining about slashdot posts, the crew has to say "We don't remove posts"
If they decided to delete the comments, any other company, person, thing complaining about slashdot posts, the crew has to say "We will delete posts with just cause"
When the crew decides what to do, they got to stick with it always no matter how tough it is going to be. If the say remove posts from the Microsofts post and Apple comes to them and says "You have our IP on your forums, delete it", the crew has to say "done and done Mr. Apple"
And if they don't delete Microsofts posts when Apple comes up with a simplair complaint the crew has to say "We don't remove posts, we didn't take down MS's IP and we sure as hell ain't doing it for you"
Seriously (I am talking to the crew) you must decide your policy and stick with it, no matter what the policy is and no matter how difficult it may be. When you decide on this M$ case, you are setting it in stone, so make a wise choice.
The FTC estimates that U.S. consumers may have paid as much as $480 million more than they should have for CDs and other music because of these policies over the last three years.
No wonder the RIAA hates
That is a huge rip off man..
actucally there where "pour hot grits in my pants" shirt, but they where took off the market when people started getting seriouly injured and thrid degree burns on their legs...
To date 1.8 million units have been sold in Japan
I don't understand this, if they are (rumored to)having hardware problems why are they selling them in Japan?
Second if 2 mill sold in Japan already, don't you think 1 mil for USA is going to be pushing it? Right around Christmas time too.
The company said the new system also supports the existing PlayStation software catalog of more than 800 titles now on the market.
That is extremely cool, I hadn't heard that before. That is a good idea, remeber Ninetdo, Super Ninetdo, N64, game boy? All there games where incompatiable. i remeber back to the days of the Turbo GX 16, which used flash cards for the console, and the cards where so small they even worked in it's portable device, it was amazing to me at the time.
maybe outlook should FORCE the user to first save the exe to disk (with a virus warning message), then force the user to execute it him self...
It would still get a lot of users anyways.
Maybe Microsoft should require people to learn about their $5000 home PC before they even start using it in the real world (for home or work)
And if Linux users are honest, they'll admit it is entirely possible to write a mail program for Linux that is as dangerous as Outlook.
Riiiiggght
It is possiable, but no has yet written one. Why? Ok, first you must write a mail client, sure they aren't that hard to write and the mail protocol is well documenated, but after you spent weeks/months/years getting your mail client out. For people to use it, it has to be good. So you have to write a dam good mail client, better than pine, mutt, kmail, elm and all the other combined.
So what do you have, a really nice mail client, that is being used by say %50 of the linux users (mail clients are like editors, people don't change them much). So what this take, 1 year of your time?
Also all the souce must be under the GPL or opensouce or the GNU/Linux Zealots of the world will ban you from slashdot and beat you with sticks
OK, now the source is open for anyone to look at (and also find your bug) and Unix users would go "Hrmm that is really strange it automatically executed the bash script my freind sent me
One year of your time to do something malice? Come one, lets review the script kiddies hand book, would this really give them the most BANG for the buck?
Why don't they just code a 30 minute visual basic worm, pop it on their schools WinXX network and watch 100 users start screaming?
I agree you COULD write a email client that is dangerous as outlook express, but no one that has an IQ over 20 is going to do this... and err uh ummm Microsoft
Even if you had outlook running on linux (though maybe Wine?) what is the MOST harm you could cause to the Linux system running as normaluser?
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I still have my hotmail account, I use it as my "spam bucket". You know those free website that offer free accounts (like the new york times), but you have to give them you email address? Also when registor with search engines, sign up FREE to win crap out there, just use a hotmail account and see how long it takes to fill completly full with spam (it took mine 3 days!)...
A neat treat though, just put a filter in to filter out anything with 'A' in the subject, they allow like 5-10 filters, so delete everything that has a vowel in the subject line!
It would take a LOT of bandwidth to download roughly 3megs from each of the 300,000 users
Do you have anything to hide? Let me dig though your house without permission? Do you have anything to hide, let me follow you around for 24x7 for 2 months watching EVERYTHING you do.
Even if you are a %100 pure saint and never have or never will commit a sin, it is still creepy having people watch you when you don't want to
Care if I stand over you and watch you while you sleep? Creepy? Yes. I like to remain anonymous while I sleep and also when I take a shower, I don't have anything to hide, but I don't want people to have access to that information...
Under the law, you should be able to rip them to mp3s, but under the law you can not give/trade these
Just because YOU own the CD, doesn't mean that the person downloading your songs owns the CD...
I like paying the middleman, Bob from accounting is one cool dude, also I have all of Ricks marketing progranda (commericals, posters) etc, rick is the marketing God! Go Rick and Bob, they make a super middleman team.
uh I paid $2 for a debian cd and someone in my lugi gave me a staroffice for free... I put them in my cd-rom drive, and what do you know, they had content on them, good content to, it tasted like melted butter
no, where can I get there mp3?
I signed up Lars, Jon Katz, Miss Portman, AL Gore and CmdrTaco. (this is a joke, I did not sign up these people)
But you have a good point, ANYONE ANYWHERE could signup on this "legally binding document" and there is really no way to tell who really behind IP 209.272.218.128, they should atleast require a pgp signature (even though this would still have problems) or even better yet, print it out, sign it and have 2 witnesses sign it, and fax it in with 2 forms of photo ID.
I remeber like 2-3 years ago, the Internet has just one big ass "Hoax" no one took anything serious on the Internet, it was more of a "play toy" for geeks and porn haven for preverts and that was it, now we are passing around credit card numbers and "legally binding documents" on the web and just expect it to work on in the real world. I view the real world and the Internet a whole lot differant. These world are just that, too differant and unrelated worlds.
This is one of the times where people would need to be tracked on the Internet, to tell how the really are, but at the same time certain things we do or don't do on the Internet should remain private.
Would pgp keys work in this sisuation? I think the Internet should remain %100 anonymous, unless the user wants to be known (and can also prove that they say who they really are), but when a user does want to prove that they are really who they say there are, there needs to be a sure %100 method of doing this. Maybe goverment issused PGP or simlair? (Sorry I don't know much about pgp, so this probably sounds really fsck stupid)
True, look at Gnome, KDE and the 100 other "easy to use" windows managers. Most of these windows managers had little or no suits involved in the process of creating them. But remarkly, they are simple to use, look good, and have good qualities (has ANY EVERY had a non-alpha windows manager crash on them?)
But without the "suits" involved, the developers/coders know that they should "hard code" their windows manager into X and know that X shouldn't be hard coded into the (linux, *bsd, other) kernel.
IceWM looks just like Windows95, but you know what, IceWM is FAST and there is no way IceWM can crash the entire OS
IceWM is also very easy to use and could target a large number of users, for example I am willing to bet that it would take an average user 5 minutes or less to learn IceWM if they are famlair with the windows shell
It is like a train, people only notice it, when it is late or uh de-railed.
Shouts to the slashdot crew they are doing a killer job.
True, you make a lot of good boys (gb cheap, durable, better display (in some ways)).
Sure the palm costs more than the gb, but if people already have them, why not? The concept works well for PC owns, why buy a psx when you already have a computer (even though it is for boring stuff like work) sitting on your desk with more cpu?
Durable, yea, this would really be bad in the little kids market, wonder how they do in "I am a grown up and take care of my stuff, but still am immature and play video games" (I would fall into this category)
Grey scale lousy refresh lcd has got to suck (haven't even looked at the palm, so I will take your word on it (after all it was said on slashdot so it has to be true))
But for the 20-26 year old "kids", most of us could justifice buying a palm "Yea, it is for business purposes only, uh huh it will be used for purely proffesinal reasons only" then we turn around and load quake, final fanasty and zelda on it as we walk away and say "sucker"
If my freinds walked in on me with my pants down and a game boy in my hands, they would get a little freaked out. but sitting naked with a palm is understandable, because it looks more like an adult computer than a kids game machine.
Uh Riiiigggght, I think that is a bad example...
Ok, in a business meeting, you can either take your palm or gb, which would it be? Ok that is a better example, but after the meeting, on your lunch break, who should care if you get some head counts in quake?
You know the stock market crash everyone has been hyping about, it is coming, and this is going to be a big part of it. Think about, all the tech stocks are over rated, now we call all these people in the tech market playing quake say "Yea, I will get right on it, first though I must FRAG some people in my address book, I mean call some people in my address book about venture captial... yea that's the ticket"
Seriously though, quake on the palm, this is cool and all, but seriously do you have a Quake tic-tac-toe game in your paper address book?
If I had a palm though, I would be so totally on this man.
It would be cool to fit the palm into the Game Boy market, it is small, portable and can do a lot more than the gb, just wondering which one has the most cpu crunching power, palm? How are the displays on the palms?
True, but developing a "web site" in an open source fashion is a little bit tricker. If you start building a web site from the ground up with flexiable in mind, it can work out well. But if you have a current web site that is "hand fitted" to the companies goals (news for nerds, open source develop) and try to release this, it can and is most offen a huge mess.
Look at it this way, slashcode is a lot like sourceforge, they are an open source project, but they are also a LIVE web site. Being that this code has to be used NOW AND FOR THIS, it is hard to push in new feartures.
It is difficult to put in new feartures in a live web site, because
1) the site can't go down because of a programming error.
2) The site has to do what it was meant for.
3) the site has to be tested first
4) sometimes the interface it "attached" to the code, and it is extremely difficult to pull apart
5) ussually, speed is more of a concern (with a large site like
I think it would be a better idea to have 2 version in this case. Have the slashcode or source forge that ran the site (put under the GPL of course) and also have a developers version that focuses on a more portable design (under the GPL also), which developers where encouraged to work on the developers version, and "pull" all of the goodies out of the version that ran on the live sites.
This way the open source developers could work on their version for their own purposes, and the paid employees at VA Linux or slashdot could work on their version for the live site. Have both version avaiable under the GPL, and if an open source developer wants to "pick" out of all good stuff from the live site, then so be it. and if the paid employees want to "pick" out the good stuff from the developers version, so be it.
This way, the site will still run and the developers could add feartures/test without having to worry if Rob needs fewer SQL transactions or not... and Rob could worry about cutting down on SQL transactions while the developers "split" the interface into a more portable way...
One thing I thought would be cool is to make slashdot into a bunch of modules (not my idea, seen it posted on slashcode.org first), which is cool from a "fun thing to do if I get bored looking at portman pics" sort of thing. But Rob on the other hand, needs the site to server 1 million or so geeks a day, and it would be in more of his intrest to make the site super fast and not bother with "fixing something that isn't broken" type of thing. So from the "Senior Developers" point of view, it would be better to tweak out the site, rather than waste time making a nice neat little package, I think VA Linux might be the same way in some respects.
Forking is ussually a bad thing, but this would have it's benifits, the people that wanted to package every thing up and make a nice, neat, easy to configure, multi-platform version with portablilty in mind could do this. The other version would be of the people employeed full time on it, developing it to fit the task at hand (ie. there web site)
there would have to be a good communication between the two groups, and they both should try and stick with some of the same concepts so that each other group can share code, and if group a has a really neat hack, group b can implenet it into their version of the code.
Having 20 thousand people working on one live web site, could get REALLY MESSY REALLY QUICK. So there has to be some type of separtion between the people devloping the "live" site, and the people devloping the "portable multi-funcational" site. Both will come up with good ideas that the other group can use, both will come up with bad ideas that the other group SHOULDN'T use.
I would like to put a "percentage of hot grits currently in pants" meter on slashdot, but it won't work with the live site, it would be better to fork off and build my own "grits meter slash box" out of the slashcode...
My vote (if I get a vote) is to fork into two projects, both release under the GPL and code/release/develop as they see fit, while both groups are free to take code from the other project.
Do you know how many freaking vi clones are out there? why can't there be more than one "source forge" project?
J(ust)MHO
I don't remeber the Atari's, but the group of geeks I ran with all had Commdore64s, my freind got the "pimped out" Commodore128 also about the same time a new VCR with the non-cable (2 plugs, 1 video, 1 audio) and she tweaked it out to push though her TV, it was really sweet. TV was good for computer back then though, because even the LASTEST HOTTEST AND GREASTEST games couldn't do over 256 color at 320x200, so it worked out nice. I have doubts if they could do 16 colors now that I think about it
On of the cool things about her commondore going though the VCR like that, is you could record what she did, I remember watching about 2 hours of her write a small BASIC program, I remember thinking that I should have borrowed a BASIC book
BASIC was 1337 when it was also your OS!
Can I get an ASM, C++ or JAVA shell please? (there is actucally a Perl shell btw, seriously)
NetPD now has your name. They came up with some software that "acts like 5000 people scanning peoples printers for Metallica images"
the scary part about this, is that alt.binaries.nospam.teenfem really exists, and I just thought it was a joke. I was actucally looking for the alt.binaries.spam.teenfem, portman covered in raw can meat Mmmmm
that is alright, on the fun side of things, this newsgroup is now wondering why they have 600X the request for portman pics, and the "normals" are getting confused on if "Hot grits in the pants" is a viable option that really shoul be acted out and not just expessed.
Since this is the #17 post, hopefully most trolls have left us already in search of naked portman pics, that reminds me.... uh I mean
One of the cool things I was thinking this printer could be used for (besides p0rn) would be playstation/dream cast games. Take a snap shot of beating Metal Gear Solid on "Super freaking tough" mode without dying once and only using the "Neck Snap Move" (Weapons are for wimps, real men break necks with their bare hands).
But the suck thing is, why not just get a video capture card, pull in the pic into the computer and print it out on your printer? This way you could also forge, I mean clean up any defects in the pic.
Also, this is my idea to make millions, so no one steal it, it is copyrighted, well it will be, but I will post the idea first, I will get the copyright in a couple day
Have the ALL TEXT ALL THE TIME CHANNEL for people that own these printer. Just spew books across the TV screen, then the user can print them out!
Seriously though, it is a neat geek idea, but really how usefull? I remeber when I was a kid (about 2 hours ago, I became I man once I checked out alt.binaries.nospam.teenfem) I just took a camera and took a picture of the screen and developed the film. It worked and I still have pictures of pictures on the TV of some guy hold a picture of close up's of saturn... and it looks dam good to!
I bet webTV owns would dig these though. If my grandparents surfed the web though webTV, this would make a nice gift.
Yea sourceforge is part of VA linux, but freenet is an open source (GPL IIRC) program that is not affilated with VA Linux (that I know of), VA Linux is cool enough to host open source projects on their servers (ie. sourceforge.org). sourceforge.net gives up server space/bandwidth/maintaince to open source developers, which IMHO is really cool of them (no I don't work for them).
Sorry I posted the wrong URL last time, the correct address is:
http://freenet.sourceforge.net/
you also forgot slander! Nothing says loving like getting gang raped in prison for being a loyal fan and supporting a band!