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Just for the record I am not a small man, nor is my uptime.
Re:The importance (or lack thereof) of uptime
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It is not the amount of uptime you have, it is how you use it. If you have an internal system that maintains a db that is used by the billing department between 8-6, it is alright if the system goes down after 6 oclock or upgrade/repairs.
Hell you could have a really bad percent of uptime, reboot at 6 and bring the system back up at 8 in the morning, the majority of the time, the system is down.
But when the system needs to be acessed (8-6) it is up running and fully funcational and secure due to the patches/upgrades that was done at 9 at night. When the system needs to do billing transactions, it is up and running great.
It is not the amount of uptime you have, but when and how you use the uptime. At least that is what my gf tells me.
1)those you wish to learn 2)those who have to learn
Those that wish to learn, trully and utterly enjoy learn about differant aspects of a computer, inside and out. The people in group 1 their goals are to
learn computers. have fun with computers. create things with computers (programs, networks, etc)
When these people in group 1 can't firgure out a problem, or takes an extended amount of time to firgure out a problem, they rarley get mad, if ever. They think about the problem in a logical manner, if that doesn't work, they try viewing the problem in an abstract way.
The second group of people, think the computer is something they have to use. Either because they are forced to on the job or some other reason where they can't 'wiggle' out of not using the machine. The people in group 2 goals are:
avoid computers. find a "freind" that knows allot about computers. use the computer to get XYZ task done. put 'computer skills' in their resume.
When people in group 2 have a problem with a computer, they ussually react to their envoirment in this matter.
Find someone who knows about computers and ask them to fix it.
Find someone who knows about computer and DEMAND them to fix it.
Get highly irrate with the computer and extremely mad (ussually removing themselves from the envoirment).
Start going into a panic fit, thinking that they did something wrong (even if it is a program bug, or even a normal operation, like a window opening).
This types of users don't sit down and calmly and logically thing about the real problem they are having.
These users secertly HATE computers and wish NOTHING to do with them. They HATE computers and EXPECT the people in group 1 to slove ALL their problems without ANY effort on their part what so ever.
When people in group 1 make fun of these computer users, they are not making fun of the newbie that are willing to learn. NEVER has a newbie been flamed for reading a how-to. NEVER has ANYONE been made fun of for reading books, trying on their own and for putting an effort into their learning. The people be made fun of are the people that want everything done for them, the ones how don't do anything for themsevles, the ones that can't or won't even try. Those are the ones being mocked, and I see nothing wrong with that.
But if you EVER flame a newbie for reading a doc or for honestly tring, I will be on you faster than stink on a monkey! that is just not cool man
I heard there was a slashdot code mailing list, but alast I can not find it. Also some guy from lilthfair.org claimed to have hacked up.3 enough for an actucally release, but he suddenly disappeared without ever being heard of again, and lilthfair.org is down.
I think Rob "The Commandor" Taco broke his knee caps, and rightfully so.
I once thought about starting a GPL generic news based engine to render sites like slashdot, but rewrite the whole thing from the ground up. Sorry Rob, no disrepect, but you licenese agreement freaks me out a little. Once you went and sold to a bigger company (with lawyers) it makes me even more nervous.
Oh, sorry, supose to be asking a question.
Where is the code Rob?
(no disrespect meant)
Hell, he doesn't even have to release it as far as I am concerned.
After the new year I reslove to crack down and find out what the deal is with this whole Y2K thing. What does it stand for and why does only a couple of elite people know about it? I wish their was some panic attacks about it so I could firgure out what is going on. Y2K; anyone know what this is/does/means?
Secondly I am going to get some high karma. Oh yea, HEY moderator, yea you, jack me up a couple points will ya? Come on Mr. Moderator, it is new years, spead some points this way will ya?
Everything is burning, my servers are all crashed and there are thousands of the undead on my door step. The HORROR the HORROR of it all. Please God save me from this world. There is massive amounts of radation leaking in though the vents, and the smell of Death is all around me. Most of my fellow brothers are dead, and those still living are praying and begging for the sweet grip of death to choke out their last breaths. Please death save me from this. Pleaes death, take it all away. The End is Here
Oh, wait. Dam, sorry false alarm. I forgot I am in Central time zone and it is only 8:02AM on Dec 31/99 still. Sorry my bad. I still got 15-16 hours left.
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This is what I got from Netscape® Communicator 4.7 under Solaris 7 haven't tried Linux yet, but more than likely it will get the same error.
I have been recently think of moving around somewhere in a 50 mile radius or less or my current job. The things I look for is bandwidth and how cheap.
The first city I can get an ISDN line for roughly $400 a month, and the second city it will cost $100 per month. I have been scoping out apartments, and they are more or less the same in both cities. I am pulling towards the town with the cheap bandwidth, because modems suck, and if you are a geek, you understand WHY they suck so bad compared with ISDN,cable,xDSL or a 62 gigabit/second tube of loving. Oh yea, let me get some of that sweet gigabit loving, I want to tongue it's bits and fondel the output connections, twist the little pointy megabits between my fingers, O yea.
Allot of cheap bandwidth will get the geeks moving into the town. If that doesn't work try massive amounts of strip bars and pizza places. Oh, and make sure you have a Radio Shack, book store (Borders, B&N) and mom& pop computer shop where everyone knows you name, truthly best buy kinda sucks when you need some rare part for a Sun workstation at 2:00 in the morning...
So what is the deal with this whole Y2K thing I keep hearing about? It sounds like geek speak for something... I need to re-read the jargon-file again. Is there a howto or FAQ on it some where? I searched http://linuxdoc.org but didn't find anything useful.
2 days? I have had more uptime on my coffee pot! : ) 2 days is the AVERAGE, that means a decent amount of the machines had to have lower uptimes then 2 days to bring the average down.
If these Win98 users downloaded the uptime program, that means that they are concerned about their uptimes. Most users shut there PC off when they are done with it, but if you download a program to keep track of your uptime, that means you are TRYING to get a decent uptime on your machine, this is just sad.
So are my tax dollars still paying for goverment offices to use Windows in their workplace?...sigh...
... was hit twice in the head, in his chest and in his eye, forcing him to seek medical attention -- at which time him learned that the glue he used to attach his beard had burned his skin...
Oh, so Santa likes it like that does he? That is just distrubing.
I am warning you right now this is offtopic, but related.
What methods are avaiable to stopping to slowing down this type of attack towards a Unix server? Would a firewall help, or could it be blocked at the router?
This type of attack has been avaiable to crackers for awhile now, but I haven't seen a decent method of preventing, stopping, or even slowing down this type of attack? Any ideas?
Could this be addressed in a ask Slash? It also burns when I take a piss, could this be addressed also?
3 - The SB 128 might not work well, I'd actually try to find an old SB16 ISA card seeing as you're not doing sound processing, and it'll more then suffice for any other audio requirements you may have.
Do you mean the SB 128 doesn't work well in Linux, or do you mean it doesn't make sense to use in on a data processing machine?
To address and clear up any confusion in communication:
On SuSE Linux 6.3 Kernel 2.2.13 the SB 128 PCI sound card works great, sounds great and there is no problem with it. The drivers used are the ones that shipped with the kernel.
Under SuSE Linux 5.3 Kernel 2.0.34(35/36) the SB 128 PCI sound card also works great under this. It sounds great and there is no problem with it. The drivers used are the ones from the OSS (Open Sound System).
This card should work with any distro based off of Kernel 2.0.34 or later with the OSS drivers. If you are using the 2.2.13 Kernel or later, the drivers should be the ones included in the Kernel.
Still, the SB 128 PCI sound card is a nice sound system, but I would have to question the reason for putting it in a data processing machine. If you are just going to sit this computer into a server room and execute remote commands for it to process mass amounts of data without user interaction, a sound card could be consider a waste of funds. Leave out the sound card and keep the extra $50 in your pocket.
I am assuming this is going to be a pure number crunching machine that sorts though massive amounts of data and not a typical users workstation. If it is to be used as a users workstation, then the above statements might not apply.
"On May 19, 1998, Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) of the Senate Government Affairs Committee asked L0pht members, "I'm informed that you think that within 30 minutes the seven of you could make the Internet unusable for the entire nation. Is that correct?"
"That's correct," one L0pht member responded. "It would definitely take a few days for people to figure out what was going on."
How and why (would it work)? The second question would have to be, if you could do it, what measures could be set in place to stop or slow down this type of attack on the nations Network?
IceWM is extremely fast and easy to use, it can be run on a 486 with 20 megs without major trashing on the hard drive.
If you use IceWM I would reccommened you tried out DFM (Desk Top File manager), basically a desktop where you can place icons, but don't need Gnome or KDE for it to work though!
http://dfm.linuxbox.com/
IceWM + DFM is just as nice as both KDE or GNOME, but ALLOT faster in all aspects. DFM is about to hit the big Version 1.0 also. They are both extremely fast and stable, and have been true for about the last year even when they where still in "development"
Well, yes to Windows maybe. But I have never seen any Linux users talk bad of BSD, Solaris, IRIX or AIX. Every Linux users I meet as liked a differant Unix, open source or not, just for the fact it is something new. Something differant then the penguin is good for the soul once in awhile.
"In terms of sophistication, the BSD operating system is better than Linux. Its original kernel is highly advanced. It has always been popular with people doing their masters and doctorates in computer science research. The reason why it is not as popular as Linux is the lack of commercial support,"
Does anyone else think the BSD community is subtly spreading FUD towards the Linux community. I use both Linux and FreeBSD and they both have their advantages and disadvatages, but I think the BSD community likes to display and bring up Linux disadvantages or the advantages BSD has over Linux whenever they can.
They are both FREE and STABLE Unix systems for the lowend to highend hardware, but these hardcore BSD users need to stop thinking their OS is BETTER then Linux. In some ways, it is, in some it is not, we don't need both the Linux and BSD communities pited at each other. Both communities need to brag about what they do best and fix anything that is broken.
Neither BSD or Linux will benfit from bashing and FUD-ing each other, they will benfit from advocating each other though.
One (of the very many) benifits of Open source and Free software (as in speech) is a choice.
You are free to choice. If you dislike something, you can either 1) change it, or 2) find a differnat OSS project that will fit your needs/wants. There is the opinion to FUD anything that you don't like, but this ONLY applies to closed source software.
Everywhere I go:
"see I am SSH-ed into this openBSD from my Linux workstation and th..."
"Get rid of Linux, that is your problem, use FreeBSD as your workstation man, it is BETTER and doesn't crash as much"
"Uh Linux has never crashed on me, and the problem is I had a surge on my Ethernet wired and it physically fired my ethernet card. My question was, can I fix a burnt PCI slot or do I have to replace the motherboard?"
"uh, surge, a? Still FreeBSD is Better in alot of ways, for example, let me start back in 1972..."
sigh... and this is a TRUE story, talking to some hardcore Free BSD user at college about a burnt PCI slot on my freind's motherboard. To this day he is still conviced that Linux physically burnt out some of my freind's hardware, even after the IT director admitted that there was some surges in the school network wiring... sigh
I know this sounds REAL cheese, but "can't we just all get along?"
He works free for a Silicon Valley chip-design startup called Transmeta.
Since when? So basically Mr. Linus works for free, and then lives off stocks that CEO gave him? Nothing wrong with that, I would like some sweet Linux tech stocks.
IIRC he got paid a crap load of money for developing a new generation CPU. I though he was still getting paid, maybe not.
I would work for free if I got a crap load of differant Linux stocks and didn't have to worry about money and paying the bills.
#!/usr/bin/perl -w use Joke() or die ("You can't take a joke!\n");
But I think this is wrong. We need to take a stand and say "NO MORE SLAVE LINUZ LABOR! SET HIM FREE! NO MORE SLAVE LINUZ LABOR! SET HIM FREE!"
I got this sick fanasty, I would like to see openBSD and Linux pited against each other in a Internet "crack this box" contest. Put them up against each other and have all the script kiddies bash and beat the hell out of them. It would be a long and painfull fight, but it is alike a car wreck, for some sick reason I can't look away...
Watch them get tore up and watch them start to bleed from all this script kiddies doing
while (1) do ping $linuxbox ping $openbsdbox done
It might be fun to throw a couple of Windows 95/98 boxes and maybe an NT box so that the crackers could get the "smell of blood" into there brains. : ) give them a little taste of blood to get them a little crazy before they are turned loose on the Linux and openBSD boxes...
Is Leonardo a common name? He was a great artist if I remeber correctly. But think about this, how many "Benny"/"Antoneo"/"Leondardo" Pizza Places do you know of? I am going to start a company called "Benny's Pizza Place" and SUE every small mom&pop pizza place from here to NYC!
I will make millions, my plan for world domination is falling quickly into place. BAHAHHAHAHA. By this time next year I will be your world ruler.
Oh, and this, you know what. I have the copyright on the name "Rob", if anyone uses this name, in any way shape or form for commerical use, this include adverstiments, plugs, contract agrements and anything post to a commerical site, I will SUE for millions of dollars.
I also have the copyright on the word "DOT", if any company or person uses the word "DOT" when referering to their email or web site, I will SUE each one of you personally. You will have to use the GPL word "period". The next time you say the URL of a web site you have to say
www "PERIOD" yahoo "PERIOD" com
instead of the commonly used
www "DOT" yahoo "DOT" com
Claim to fame, ain't it a bitch. So you funny little insects, I will be ruler of the world within months of collect massive sums of money from you cowards abuse-ing my copyrights I have on seemily meaningless words!! HAHAHAHA worship me.
Just kinding. On a site note, there is a group of rebels that are working on a %100 GPL english launage rewrite. ALL words can be used, changed and sold in any way fit, as along as the source code to the word is included. Since this being a spoken launge, there is an extenstion to the GPL, in that you can not SUE for a GPL word, unless it voliates the GPL.
Some words that are currently being developed are
GLeonardo GNULeonardo GNUGNU GNU G GNUword GNUwords Getoys Getoy GNUetoy GNUetoys GET GGET GNUGET GPL GGPL GNUGPL GROB GNUROB GNUCMDTACO
The problem this GPL project is having, is first money, please make donations if you use these words and these words are usefull to your spoken launage.
The second problem, is alot of converation gets "FLOODED" with alot of 'G' sounding words. Currently this GPL project is working towards including maybe more 'L' or 'B' into their words. If you have alot of experience speaking and writing words that include execsive use of the letter 'L' or 'B' please donate your time to this GPL project if possiable.
Also there seems to be a bug in the english launage, people like to use verbs. The GPL project knows of this bug, and we are working hard to come up with a logically sentance that does NOT use any verbs what so ever. If you have or heard someone say a sentance without the use of verbs please contact
What about running the DOS emulator under Linux? My dad, whom is (was) an accountent, runs ALOT of DOS based Tax software.
Also what about vmware? I heard that it is ALOT more stable then Wine. Truefully I think even the Wine developers consider Wine alpha or beta quality. No disrespect to the Wine community, I totally support, respect and honor their efforts in this project. The fact reminds, they still need to work a couple things out with it, and I think that they would even admit that, so it's not like I am bad mouthing of FUDing them, I am just saying...
Anyway, what is the deal, you guys can do a little book keeping without a computer. Do your taxes like a man, a peice of paper and a pen. No dam calucators either, get a bit of scrap papper, you dam lazy wusses : ) just ripping on ya... I get a discount for getting my taxes do. Have someone else do em dammit : )
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Just for the record I am not a small man, nor is my uptime.
It is not the amount of uptime you have, it is how you use it. If you have an internal system that maintains a db that is used by the billing department between 8-6, it is alright if the system goes down after 6 oclock or upgrade/repairs.
Hell you could have a really bad percent of uptime, reboot at 6 and bring the system back up at 8 in the morning, the majority of the time, the system is down.
But when the system needs to be acessed (8-6) it is up running and fully funcational and secure due to the patches/upgrades that was done at 9 at night. When the system needs to do billing transactions, it is up and running great.
It is not the amount of uptime you have, but when and how you use the uptime. At least that is what my gf tells me.
There is 2 types of computer users:
1) those you wish to learn
2) those who have to learn
Those that wish to learn, trully and utterly enjoy learn about differant aspects of a computer, inside and out. The people in group 1 their goals are to
learn computers.
have fun with computers.
create things with computers (programs, networks, etc)
When these people in group 1 can't firgure out a problem, or takes an extended amount of time to firgure out a problem, they rarley get mad, if ever. They think about the problem in a logical manner, if that doesn't work, they try viewing the problem in an abstract way.
The second group of people, think the computer is something they have to use. Either because they are forced to on the job or some other reason where they can't 'wiggle' out of not using the machine. The people in group 2 goals are:
avoid computers.
find a "freind" that knows allot about computers.
use the computer to get XYZ task done.
put 'computer skills' in their resume.
When people in group 2 have a problem with a computer, they ussually react to their envoirment in this matter.
Find someone who knows about computers and ask them to fix it.
Find someone who knows about computer and DEMAND them to fix it.
Get highly irrate with the computer and extremely mad (ussually removing themselves from the envoirment).
Start going into a panic fit, thinking that they did something wrong (even if it is a program bug, or even a normal operation, like a window opening).
This types of users don't sit down and calmly and logically thing about the real problem they are having.
These users secertly HATE computers and wish NOTHING to do with them. They HATE computers and EXPECT the people in group 1 to slove ALL their problems without ANY effort on their part what so ever.
When people in group 1 make fun of these computer users, they are not making fun of the newbie that are willing to learn. NEVER has a newbie been flamed for reading a how-to. NEVER has ANYONE been made fun of for reading books, trying on their own and for putting an effort into their learning. The people be made fun of are the people that want everything done for them, the ones how don't do anything for themsevles, the ones that can't or won't even try. Those are the ones being mocked, and I see nothing wrong with that.
But if you EVER flame a newbie for reading a doc or for honestly tring, I will be on you faster than stink on a monkey! that is just not cool man
How did slashdot start out? Before you where getting the thousands of hits per day, what was it like?
How likly do you think the Joe-average would be able to start a web site that could provide enough revenue for cost of life?
Is there ever going to a be a slash movie?
I heard there was a slashdot code mailing list, but alast I can not find it. Also some guy from lilthfair.org claimed to have hacked up .3 enough for an actucally release, but he suddenly disappeared without ever being heard of again, and lilthfair.org is down.
I think Rob "The Commandor" Taco broke his knee caps, and rightfully so.
I once thought about starting a GPL generic news based engine to render sites like slashdot, but rewrite the whole thing from the ground up. Sorry Rob, no disrepect, but you licenese agreement freaks me out a little. Once you went and sold to a bigger company (with lawyers) it makes me even more nervous.
Oh, sorry, supose to be asking a question.
Where is the code Rob?
(no disrespect meant)
Hell, he doesn't even have to release it as far as I am concerned.
After the new year I reslove to crack down and find out what the deal is with this whole Y2K thing. What does it stand for and why does only a couple of elite people know about it? I wish their was some panic attacks about it so I could firgure out what is going on. Y2K; anyone know what this is/does/means?
Secondly I am going to get some high karma. Oh yea, HEY moderator, yea you, jack me up a couple points will ya? Come on Mr. Moderator, it is new years, spead some points this way will ya?
OH MY GOD
Everything is burning, my servers are all crashed and there are thousands of the undead on my door step. The HORROR the HORROR of it all. Please God save me from this world. There is massive amounts of radation leaking in though the vents, and the smell of Death is all around me. Most of my fellow brothers are dead, and those still living are praying and begging for the sweet grip of death to choke out their last breaths. Please death save me from this. Pleaes death, take it all away. The End is Here
Oh, wait. Dam, sorry false alarm. I forgot I am in Central time zone and it is only 8:02AM on Dec 31/99 still. Sorry my bad. I still got 15-16 hours left.
I will keep your posted.
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This is what I got from Netscape® Communicator 4.7 under Solaris 7 haven't tried Linux yet, but more than likely it will get the same error.
I have been recently think of moving around somewhere in a 50 mile radius or less or my current job. The things I look for is bandwidth and how cheap.
The first city I can get an ISDN line for roughly $400 a month, and the second city it will cost $100 per month. I have been scoping out apartments, and they are more or less the same in both cities. I am pulling towards the town with the cheap bandwidth, because modems suck, and if you are a geek, you understand WHY they suck so bad compared with ISDN,cable,xDSL or a 62 gigabit/second tube of loving. Oh yea, let me get some of that sweet gigabit loving, I want to tongue it's bits and fondel the output connections, twist the little pointy megabits between my fingers, O yea.
Allot of cheap bandwidth will get the geeks moving into the town. If that doesn't work try massive amounts of strip bars and pizza places. Oh, and make sure you have a Radio Shack, book store (Borders, B&N) and mom& pop computer shop where everyone knows you name, truthly best buy kinda sucks when you need some rare part for a Sun workstation at 2:00 in the morning...
but then again, this is just me
So what is the deal with this whole Y2K thing I keep hearing about? It sounds like geek speak for something... I need to re-read the jargon-file again. Is there a howto or FAQ on it some where? I searched http://linuxdoc.org but didn't find anything useful.
Windows 98 2 days, 21:15m 61 days, 13:52m
...sigh...
2 days? I have had more uptime on my coffee pot! : ) 2 days is the AVERAGE, that means a decent amount of the machines had to have lower uptimes then 2 days to bring the average down.
If these Win98 users downloaded the uptime program, that means that they are concerned about their uptimes. Most users shut there PC off when they are done with it, but if you download a program to keep track of your uptime, that means you are TRYING to get a decent uptime on your machine, this is just sad.
So are my tax dollars still paying for goverment offices to use Windows in their workplace?
... was hit twice in the head, in his chest and in his eye, forcing him to seek medical attention -- at which time him learned that the glue he used to attach his beard had burned his skin ...
Oh, so Santa likes it like that does he? That is just distrubing.
Pointing out the value of restoring service to millions of Microsoft customers and the preservation of advertising revenues
So he not only paid their domain registor fee, but ALSO fixed some bugs in the "Channel Bar" of Internet Explorer?
Sorry, it was cheap, but I couldn't fight it.
I am warning you right now this is offtopic, but related.
What methods are avaiable to stopping to slowing down this type of attack towards a Unix server? Would a firewall help, or could it be blocked at the router?
This type of attack has been avaiable to crackers for awhile now, but I haven't seen a decent method of preventing, stopping, or even slowing down this type of attack? Any ideas?
Could this be addressed in a ask Slash? It also burns when I take a piss, could this be addressed also?
some of this is a joke, can you guess which?
3 - The SB 128 might not work well, I'd actually try to find an old SB16 ISA card seeing as you're not doing sound processing, and it'll more then suffice for any other audio requirements you may have.
Do you mean the SB 128 doesn't work well in Linux, or do you mean it doesn't make sense to use in on a data processing machine?
To address and clear up any confusion in communication:
On SuSE Linux 6.3 Kernel 2.2.13 the SB 128 PCI sound card works great, sounds great and there is no problem with it. The drivers used are the ones that shipped with the kernel.
Under SuSE Linux 5.3 Kernel 2.0.34(35/36) the SB 128 PCI sound card also works great under this. It sounds great and there is no problem with it. The drivers used are the ones from the OSS (Open Sound System).
This card should work with any distro based off of Kernel 2.0.34 or later with the OSS drivers. If you are using the 2.2.13 Kernel or later, the drivers should be the ones included in the Kernel.
Still, the SB 128 PCI sound card is a nice sound system, but I would have to question the reason for putting it in a data processing machine. If you are just going to sit this computer into a server room and execute remote commands for it to process mass amounts of data without user interaction, a sound card could be consider a waste of funds. Leave out the sound card and keep the extra $50 in your pocket.
I am assuming this is going to be a pure number crunching machine that sorts though massive amounts of data and not a typical users workstation. If it is to be used as a users workstation, then the above statements might not apply.
"On May 19, 1998, Sen. Fred Thompson (R-Tenn.) of the Senate Government Affairs Committee asked L0pht members, "I'm informed that you think that within 30 minutes the seven of you could make the Internet unusable for the entire nation. Is that correct?"
"That's correct," one L0pht member responded. "It would definitely take a few days for people to figure out what was going on."
How and why (would it work)? The second question would have to be, if you could do it, what measures could be set in place to stop or slow down this type of attack on the nations Network?
IceWM is extremely fast and easy to use, it can be run on a 486 with 20 megs without major trashing on the hard drive.
If you use IceWM I would reccommened you tried out DFM (Desk Top File manager), basically a desktop where you can place icons, but don't need Gnome or KDE for it to work though!
http://dfm.linuxbox.com/
IceWM + DFM is just as nice as both KDE or GNOME, but ALLOT faster in all aspects. DFM is about to hit the big Version 1.0 also. They are both extremely fast and stable, and have been true for about the last year even when they where still in "development"
Well, yes to Windows maybe. But I have never seen any Linux users talk bad of BSD, Solaris, IRIX or AIX. Every Linux users I meet as liked a differant Unix, open source or not, just for the fact it is something new. Something differant then the penguin is good for the soul once in awhile.
"In terms of sophistication, the BSD operating system is better than Linux. Its original kernel is highly advanced. It has always been popular with people doing their masters and doctorates in computer science research. The reason why it is not as popular as Linux is the lack of commercial support,"
Does anyone else think the BSD community is subtly spreading FUD towards the Linux community. I use both Linux and FreeBSD and they both have their advantages and disadvatages, but I think the BSD community likes to display and bring up Linux disadvantages or the advantages BSD has over Linux whenever they can.
They are both FREE and STABLE Unix systems for the lowend to highend hardware, but these hardcore BSD users need to stop thinking their OS is BETTER then Linux. In some ways, it is, in some it is not, we don't need both the Linux and BSD communities pited at each other. Both communities need to brag about what they do best and fix anything that is broken.
Neither BSD or Linux will benfit from bashing and FUD-ing each other, they will benfit from advocating each other though.
One (of the very many) benifits of Open source and Free software (as in speech) is a choice.
You are free to choice. If you dislike something, you can either 1) change it, or 2) find a differnat OSS project that will fit your needs/wants. There is the opinion to FUD anything that you don't like, but this ONLY applies to closed source software.
Everywhere I go:
"see I am SSH-ed into this openBSD from my Linux workstation and th..."
"Get rid of Linux, that is your problem, use FreeBSD as your workstation man, it is BETTER and doesn't crash as much"
"Uh Linux has never crashed on me, and the problem is I had a surge on my Ethernet wired and it physically fired my ethernet card. My question was, can I fix a burnt PCI slot or do I have to replace the motherboard?"
"uh, surge, a? Still FreeBSD is Better in alot of ways, for example, let me start back in 1972..."
sigh... and this is a TRUE story, talking to some hardcore Free BSD user at college about a burnt PCI slot on my freind's motherboard. To this day he is still conviced that Linux physically burnt out some of my freind's hardware, even after the IT director admitted that there was some surges in the school network wiring... sigh
I know this sounds REAL cheese, but "can't we just all get along?"
He works free for a Silicon Valley chip-design startup called Transmeta.
Since when? So basically Mr. Linus works for free, and then lives off stocks that CEO gave him? Nothing wrong with that, I would like some sweet Linux tech stocks.
IIRC he got paid a crap load of money for developing a new generation CPU. I though he was still getting paid, maybe not.
I would work for free if I got a crap load of differant Linux stocks and didn't have to worry about money and paying the bills.
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use Joke()
or die ("You can't take a joke!\n");
But I think this is wrong. We need to take a stand and say "NO MORE SLAVE LINUZ LABOR! SET HIM FREE! NO MORE SLAVE LINUZ LABOR! SET HIM FREE!"
Free Linuz
Free your source
Free your mind!
I got this sick fanasty, I would like to see openBSD and Linux pited against each other in a Internet "crack this box" contest. Put them up against each other and have all the script kiddies bash and beat the hell out of them. It would be a long and painfull fight, but it is alike a car wreck, for some sick reason I can't look away...
Watch them get tore up and watch them start to bleed from all this script kiddies doing
while (1)
do
ping $linuxbox
ping $openbsdbox
done
It might be fun to throw a couple of Windows 95/98 boxes and maybe an NT box so that the crackers could get the "smell of blood" into there brains. : ) give them a little taste of blood to get them a little crazy before they are turned loose on the Linux and openBSD boxes...
Is Leonardo a common name? He was a great artist if I remeber correctly. But think about this, how many "Benny"/"Antoneo"/"Leondardo" Pizza Places do you know of? I am going to start a company called "Benny's Pizza Place" and SUE every small mom&pop pizza place from here to NYC!
I will make millions, my plan for world domination is falling quickly into place. BAHAHHAHAHA. By this time next year I will be your world ruler.
Oh, and this, you know what. I have the copyright on the name "Rob", if anyone uses this name, in any way shape or form for commerical use, this include adverstiments, plugs, contract agrements and anything post to a commerical site, I will SUE for millions of dollars.
I also have the copyright on the word "DOT", if any company or person uses the word "DOT" when referering to their email or web site, I will SUE each one of you personally. You will have to use the GPL word "period". The next time you say the URL of a web site you have to say
www "PERIOD" yahoo "PERIOD" com
instead of the commonly used
www "DOT" yahoo "DOT" com
Claim to fame, ain't it a bitch. So you funny little insects, I will be ruler of the world within months of collect massive sums of money from you cowards abuse-ing my copyrights I have on seemily meaningless words!! HAHAHAHA worship me.
Just kinding. On a site note, there is a group of rebels that are working on a %100 GPL english launage rewrite. ALL words can be used, changed and sold in any way fit, as along as the source code to the word is included. Since this being a spoken launge, there is an extenstion to the GPL, in that you can not SUE for a GPL word, unless it voliates the GPL.
Some words that are currently being developed are
GLeonardo
GNULeonardo
GNUGNU
GNU
G
GNUword
GNUwords
Getoys
Getoy
GNUetoy
GNUetoys
GET
GGET
GNUGET
GPL
GGPL
GNUGPL
GROB
GNUROB
GNUCMDTACO
The problem this GPL project is having, is first money, please make donations if you use these words and these words are usefull to your spoken launage.
The second problem, is alot of converation gets "FLOODED" with alot of 'G' sounding words. Currently this GPL project is working towards including maybe more 'L' or 'B' into their words. If you have alot of experience speaking and writing words that include execsive use of the letter 'L' or 'B' please donate your time to this GPL project if possiable.
Also there seems to be a bug in the english launage, people like to use verbs. The GPL project knows of this bug, and we are working hard to come up with a logically sentance that does NOT use any verbs what so ever. If you have or heard someone say a sentance without the use of verbs please contact
GNUwebmaster@GNUgplproject.GNUcom
GNUyou GNUhave GNUa GNUnice GNUday!
GJack GBarnett
What about running the DOS emulator under Linux? My dad, whom is (was) an accountent, runs ALOT of DOS based Tax software.
Also what about vmware? I heard that it is ALOT more stable then Wine. Truefully I think even the Wine developers consider Wine alpha or beta quality. No disrespect to the Wine community, I totally support, respect and honor their efforts in this project. The fact reminds, they still need to work a couple things out with it, and I think that they would even admit that, so it's not like I am bad mouthing of FUDing them, I am just saying...
Anyway, what is the deal, you guys can do a little book keeping without a computer. Do your taxes like a man, a peice of paper and a pen. No dam calucators either, get a bit of scrap papper, you dam lazy wusses : ) just ripping on ya... I get a discount for getting my taxes do. Have someone else do em dammit : )