Ever heard the saying "less is more"? KDE is desktop enviroment and damn good one at that. It focuses on this aspect and optimizes on that. It provides fantastic support to both developers and users. This kind of support is unrivalled by the GNOME mess which is trying to conquer the world by doing everything at once.
This is an article based on exactly the same press release as the infamous "gnome foundation" article. Why not just link to the damn press release instead of separately linking the lousy press reportings ON the press release?
This is the Easel/Nautilost mess all over again.
This is addressed to the people at KDE who are completely inept at marketing their excellent product. How did GNOME garner or appear to garner all this support from big companies? The answer is here, my friends:
http://mail.gnome.org/pipermail/foundation-list/
Read, weep and learn. With special emphasis on the learn. Note how this was all carefully crafted from the start by marketing geniuses.
Be quick, because Miguel will delete the archives soon. I have made copies but the foundation also has secret and confidential channels.
I myself have bought the Quake/Armageddon/Hip 3-in-1 Linux game pack but I never bothered to send the stupid registration card back to Macmillan.
I speak with money not with postcards.
Maybe I'm on crack, but it sounds like RedHat is building a completely new development platform based on GTK+ and compatible at the user level with GNOME. They do not actually have anything more in common than GTK! And it's totally motivated by the KDE/Qt development platform at that.
The best thing to do is to port it to KDE2's native format. You don't want any kind of emulation here. I admit, I have no idea how hard or efficient a C to C++ translator would be in this case. I doubt it's worth the trouble.
You seem to not realize that almost all the widget styles available with KDE 2 are non-pixmap. KDE 2 has quite a few of its own native styles available already and distributed with the core libs. You might be impressed.
Sure, but what's the point? There are almost no GTK theme engines to speak of. You might as well just port them directly to the native KDE/Qt C++ style engine.
You sound like that your@nus guy. Read the full announcement. The icons are themable. It's only a matter of time before someone takes the GNOME icons and makes an icon theme. It's regrettable that the KDE guys didn't think of doing this before they made their announcements.
Oh my god, you are such a comedian. I knew one day this would happen. KDE manages to look exactly like GTK, and yet the age old "butt-ugly" argument never dies.
All that trolltalk about KDE 1 supposedly being butt-ugly vs GNOME 1 when in fact it had always been TONS more slick and professional than GNOME was absolutely unbelievable. Miguel now actually admits he is ashamed of the GNOME look.
I cannot begin to comprehend how all this happened, it must have been some genius mastermind behind it all.
It's funny how no-one noticed the bit of Konqueror looking like Netscape and Internet Explorer. I guess the trolls already got their fodder with the GTK stuff.
If you have had the opportunity of using a recent KDE2 beta, you may know that KDE2 has supported widget themes for quite a while now. You may have noticed that these themes are fast. Really fast. And even those themes using pixmaps and gradients run at a decent speed, thanks mostly to [1]Qt's excellent theming-engine and our optimized pixmap storage and cache mechanism.
In addition to native KDE2 themes, we are pleased to announce that KDE now supports pixmap [2]GTK themes. However, while GTK themes are displayed faster and more efficiently than even native GTK itself, we do not recommend using this format for creating new themes. Theme developers should prefer KDE2's native widget theming which yields superior results both in terms of quality and speed. A nice HowTo and some documentation on KDE2 theming is available [3]here.
For the curious, here are some screenshots of KDE2 using GTK themes:
In KDE2, icons are themable as well. A nice application of this feature can be seen if you start KDE2 on an 8-bit color display. In this case, KDE will automatically default to a carefully crafted icon theme based on a 40-color palette: 216 extra colors are left for the more color-greedy applications. Of course, on a true color display, you would get the hi-color icon theme.
The size of the icons can also be easily changed. Just right-click on the toolbar handle, and you'll find a menu with a selection of various icon sizes. Or change the icon size in other locations or globally from the KDE Control Center. This way you can make optimal use of your desktop space and monitor:
[11]icons [12]icons
Also notable are the various icon effects. These include levels of greyscaling, highlighting, colorization, saturation/hue, semitransparency... and the ability to customize the behavior and appearance of the icons in all the various states (MouseOver, default, disabled) and locations (desktop, toolbars, menus, panel).
In fact, if you are creative enough, you can do such things as make [13]Konqueror look like Netscape. Or Internet Explorer. Or make it look like something entirely different. We tried our hand at it:
[14]Netscape [15]gtk-themes 1 [16]Else
While these are aesthetic features, they can also be quite important from a usability point of view. For example, if you are an artist or graphic designer, you may not want your icons to look too colorful. In fact, if at all possible, you'd want to work in a color-neutral environment. Well, with KDE2, you can switch all your icons to grey quite easily - and if you want a colorful desktop to impress your friends, it is just a click away!
Yeah, Viro is known for this sort of shit. You should read Him on USENET.
Anyway, my biggest beef with Him currently is that He recently broke POSIX compliance in the filesystem by CHANGING symlink behavior. It's a very annoying change too.
How do you enable high UID support? I upgraded my system to 2.4-test1 a long time ago. It's very good but I still don't have high UID support. Does anyone know how to do this?
For example, you still can't have a UID of 75000 without Linux thinking it's actually UID 9464.
KDE development does not happen on IRC. It happens on the mailing lists. There is nada on kde-devel or kde-core-devel. This is all just a publicity stunt and as far as I can see you are one of the perpetrators.
Did you know that some in the KDE project have been working on an interface for the blind? I hope you are man enough to give this interface a spin and give _feedback_ to this project.
This would _benefit_ members of the Open Source community as oppose to _harming_ people as you seem intent on doing.
Aren't we all on the same team? It's all Open Source. Would it be such a radical idea to play nice for a change?
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Ever heard the saying "less is more"? KDE is desktop enviroment and damn good one at that. It focuses on this aspect and optimizes on that. It provides fantastic support to both developers and users. This kind of support is unrivalled by the GNOME mess which is trying to conquer the world by doing everything at once.
...by the END USERS. Says it all really.
This is an article based on exactly the same press release as the infamous "gnome foundation" article. Why not just link to the damn press release instead of separately linking the lousy press reportings ON the press release? This is the Easel/Nautilost mess all over again.
This is addressed to the people at KDE who are completely inept at marketing their excellent product. How did GNOME garner or appear to garner all this support from big companies? The answer is here, my friends:
/
http://mail.gnome.org/pipermail/foundation-list
Read, weep and learn. With special emphasis on the learn. Note how this was all carefully crafted from the start by marketing geniuses.
Be quick, because Miguel will delete the archives soon. I have made copies but the foundation also has secret and confidential channels.
I myself have bought the Quake/Armageddon/Hip 3-in-1 Linux game pack but I never bothered to send the stupid registration card back to Macmillan. I speak with money not with postcards.
Maybe I'm on crack, but it sounds like RedHat is building a completely new development platform based on GTK+ and compatible at the user level with GNOME. They do not actually have anything more in common than GTK! And it's totally motivated by the KDE/Qt development platform at that.
The best thing to do is to port it to KDE2's native format. You don't want any kind of emulation here. I admit, I have no idea how hard or efficient a C to C++ translator would be in this case. I doubt it's worth the trouble.
You seem to not realize that almost all the widget styles available with KDE 2 are non-pixmap. KDE 2 has quite a few of its own native styles available already and distributed with the core libs. You might be impressed.
Sure, but what's the point? There are almost no GTK theme engines to speak of. You might as well just port them directly to the native KDE/Qt C++ style engine.
According to Miguel de Icaza, the GNOME shipped by pretty much everyone sucks.
You sound like that your@nus guy. Read the full announcement. The icons are themable. It's only a matter of time before someone takes the GNOME icons and makes an icon theme. It's regrettable that the KDE guys didn't think of doing this before they made their announcements.
I hope someone is working on it. Tackat?
Oh my god, you are such a comedian. I knew one day this would happen. KDE manages to look exactly like GTK, and yet the age old "butt-ugly" argument never dies.
All that trolltalk about KDE 1 supposedly being butt-ugly vs GNOME 1 when in fact it had always been TONS more slick and professional than GNOME was absolutely unbelievable. Miguel now actually admits he is ashamed of the GNOME look.
I cannot begin to comprehend how all this happened, it must have been some genius mastermind behind it all.
It's funny how no-one noticed the bit of Konqueror looking like Netscape and Internet Explorer. I guess the trolls already got their fodder with the GTK stuff.
On Themes and Icons
New and old clothes for KDE
If you have had the opportunity of using a recent KDE2 beta, you may
know that KDE2 has supported widget themes for quite a while now. You
may have noticed that these themes are fast. Really fast. And even
those themes using pixmaps and gradients run at a decent speed, thanks
mostly to [1]Qt's excellent theming-engine and our optimized pixmap
storage and cache mechanism.
In addition to native KDE2 themes, we are pleased to announce that KDE
now supports pixmap [2]GTK themes. However, while GTK themes are
displayed faster and more efficiently than even native GTK itself, we
do not recommend using this format for creating new themes. Theme
developers should prefer KDE2's native widget theming which yields
superior results both in terms of quality and speed. A nice HowTo and
some documentation on KDE2 theming is available [3]here.
For the curious, here are some screenshots of KDE2 using GTK themes:
[4]gtk-themes 0 [5]gtk-themes 1
[6]gtk-themes 2 [7]gtk-themes 3
[8]gtk-themes 6 [9]gtk-themes 4
[10]gtk-themes 5
I Con Do It -- Icons in KDE 2
In KDE2, icons are themable as well. A nice application of this
feature can be seen if you start KDE2 on an 8-bit color display. In
this case, KDE will automatically default to a carefully crafted icon
theme based on a 40-color palette: 216 extra colors are left for the
more color-greedy applications. Of course, on a true color display,
you would get the hi-color icon theme.
The size of the icons can also be easily changed. Just right-click on
the toolbar handle, and you'll find a menu with a selection of various
icon sizes. Or change the icon size in other locations or globally
from the KDE Control Center. This way you can make optimal use of your
desktop space and monitor:
[11]icons [12]icons
Also notable are the various icon effects. These include levels of
greyscaling, highlighting, colorization, saturation/hue,
semitransparency... and the ability to customize the behavior and
appearance of the icons in all the various states (MouseOver, default,
disabled) and locations (desktop, toolbars, menus, panel).
In fact, if you are creative enough, you can do such things as make
[13]Konqueror look like Netscape. Or Internet Explorer. Or make it
look like something entirely different. We tried our hand at it:
[14]Netscape [15]gtk-themes 1
[16]Else
While these are aesthetic features, they can also be quite important
from a usability point of view. For example, if you are an artist or
graphic designer, you may not want your icons to look too colorful. In
fact, if at all possible, you'd want to work in a color-neutral
environment. Well, with KDE2, you can switch all your icons to grey
quite easily - and if you want a colorful desktop to impress your
friends, it is just a click away!
References
1. http://www.trolltech.com/
2. http://gtk.themes.org/
3. http://www.mosfet.org/themeapi/
4. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk0.png
5. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk1.png
6. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk2.png
7. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk3.png
8. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk6.png
9. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk4.png
10. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/gtk5.png
11. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/konqEG1.png
12. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/konqEG2.png
13. http://www.konqueror.org/
14. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/konqNS4.png
15. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/konqIE3.png
16. http://www.kde.org/announcements/gfx/konqEG3.png
The article hardly gives this enough credit. The screenshots and advances are nothing short of amazing. The KDE Team have done it yet again.
The Desktop battle is far from over. Way to go on all sites.
-KS
Oh god, not YourAnus again. In case people don't recall, this is Cristian Schaller, the long time KDE hater. Sigh.
Way to go Ingo!
Thanks for the tip! You rule!
Yeah, Viro is known for this sort of shit. You should read Him on USENET.
Anyway, my biggest beef with Him currently is that He recently broke POSIX compliance in the filesystem by CHANGING symlink behavior. It's a very annoying change too.
linux:/tmp# chown 75000 file
linux:/tmp# ls -al file
-rw------- 1 9464 root 0 Jun 24 11:52 file
How do you enable high UID support? I upgraded my system to 2.4-test1 a long time ago. It's very good but I still don't have high UID support. Does anyone know how to do this?
For example, you still can't have a UID of 75000 without Linux thinking it's actually UID 9464.
> Duley is an ardent GNOME hater
Maybe you should stop talking out of your ass.
KDE development does not happen on IRC. It happens on the mailing lists. There is nada on kde-devel or kde-core-devel. This is all just a publicity stunt and as far as I can see you are one of the perpetrators.
I fail to see what your motives are, however.
It includes Kleopatra (KDE 1.91) just released a few days ago! Rewly.
Did you know that some in the KDE project have been working on an interface for the blind? I hope you are man enough to give this interface a spin and give _feedback_ to this project.
This would _benefit_ members of the Open Source community as oppose to _harming_ people as you seem intent on doing.
Aren't we all on the same team? It's all Open Source. Would it be such a radical idea to play nice for a change?
What does CmdrTaco mean by that? Sorry, English is not my forte and I would appreciate a translation.
I really wish this story was under the DEBIAN icon instead of the KDE icon.
Why oh why should this stuff be under the KDE icon when it is most obviously 100% DEBIAN crap?