Not so, and he didn't say that none of the adds sold anything, he somply said that the spammer doesn't care if they do or not. Just as there are large numbers of people that do reply to spam, there is also a large enough group of people willing to pay spammers to spam for them. You get $10,000 from one guy and it cost you next to nothing. How long would you be willing to wait for the next sucker to ask you to spam for them? So the first guy got nothing and went broak, a little sweet talking and waving of numbers and you have a new person willing to pay you. Do that 10 times in 1 year and that's a nice $100,000 in your pocket for doing less then a days worth of work all year. In time, people will stopp falling for it, but by then the nest generation of idiots is jumping to pony up the cash. Some times I hate having ethics... I could really use that money my self.
How? That should be self evident. If or wills can change reality even to a small extent, then why would a skeptic not have the same ability? If I claim I can open doors, and you claim that I can not, and hold the door closed or lock it, have you disproved my ability to open doors? The will of the skeptic is not weaker by definition then the will of the believer, and could well be an other force that needs to be overcome. Add enough forces to over come and you can stop anything. I knew a guy that did dowsing for a living, out of 20 wells he picked while I lived there he missed 1, he was also correct to with in 10 feet on depth. No, all the wells were not the same. They ranged from 50 feet to nearly 400 feet. How did he do it? No idea. But I know that he didn't have any geo-maps of the place, I know there were no geo-maps made of that part of Colorado as I long tried to find some. But for the real proof of how skeptics can prevent the results they are skeptical about just look at sports, or school. Who tends to do better, the people that are believed in or the ones that are doubted?. Certainly there are many stories of people overcoming the doubters, but they are hardly the norm. When questioning what the will can and can not do, you need to take in to account both sides.
You are making an error. You are confusing the medium with the message. If your statement was correct then the mass of a film in a can could be correctly calculated by measuring the the mass pressing on a movie screen. I do not think this is what you are intending to claim. Your statement would also give more mas to the words of Steven Hawking then to those of a preschooler. Now, while we do consider Mr Hawkings words to carry more 'weight', it is figurative and not literal. Thought does not have mass nor does it have speed. The/medium/ that it propagates in can have those restrictions, but the thought it self does not. From this is it a rather short step to the 'spooky effect' where by things do seem to effect each other despite the distance. It has also been shown in a number of stories posted here and in scientific journals that we have managed to not only send information faster then light, but even to propagate it backwards in time. The back in time I'm still not convinced of, but the results do seem to show it even if I am suspecting a wrong interpretation of those results. Now granted, most of this has been on a micro scale, but quantum encryption has been used successfully over many kilometers and is an example of this sort of data transfer on a macro scale. Also keep in mind the lessens of history. Far too many times in history people have stated what is and is not possible and gone on to 'prove' it with the science and accepted wisdom of the time, only to be laughed at by later generations that have taken the science farther and found new wisdom.
Looking at this I have to laugh a bit, in a sad way. I'm all for Microsoft protecting them selves, though considering I despise the company I'm more happy when they shoot them selves in the foot. This is likely to do that. How many hackers do you think will be searching for that disable code now so they can be the next thing on CNN? My bet, quite a few. One of them hits it and corps get totally shut down, that will go over real well. Then there's the other issue. How many places that requite security will want this thing around when they are told by Microsoft that it will have to be able to send data out, and you will not know what is being sent, you just have to trust us. Heh, trust, right. Any one care to make a wager on how trusting the folks at the Pentagon are with systems sending data in and out? Or even better, knowing that with one command some one could shut all of their systems down? They will sh*t enough bricks to build a new pentagon. Any one who needs security will have no choice but to drop Microsoft across the board and/fast/. Think any one in the government will like the idea of a remote kill switch in their system? Not a chance. Naw, this is one of those things that stands to be a good boost to open source. So get out there and let people know what can and will be happening, and let them know there is an other choice.
Um, maybe it's just me, but I think I see a simple way to end the use of 'standby'. It seems that if the game looses connect to all the other players it would be able to detect that. Oh certainly not instantly, but with in a short time. If that happens it could freeze that player as well. If the standby-er freezes right along with every one else, then there is no advantage to it and one tool goes away. Certainly it doesn't fix everything, but it does help to make the cheat less useful.
One of the big reasons for no levitation is the cities. Each city is it's own cell or group of cells apart from the rest of the world, what you see from outside is a place holder and not the real city. Fly into a city and you are in a low res graphic that does nothing. You can conferm that by looking down into some of the cities from above on a hill or such. Tha layout is totaly different and most of the buildings aren't even there. An other reason is it would let you bypass a lot of the things they want you to have to encounter.
>>Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
Clearly you have spent more time with firefox then with a woman. A woman can quite effectively block pop-ups. There is the cold water trick, long lectures about toilet seats and the ever popular 'point and laugh' method. And unlike with a woman, with firefox you can get a virus just by looking.
Ya know, in a way that/is/ what they are doing. Oh, they don't give you a free computer, but they do talk your bosses into requiring windows. Then they make all the windows certs look real impressive when they really mean next to nothing. When I worked for Gateway we had a person with an MCSE that had to be shown how to drag and drop a file. She was totally incompetent on computers, yet she moved up to a higher paying job because of that cert. I my self got an MCP because Microsoft told Gateway that we had to have a certain number of people on staff with an MCP. I looked over the intro of the book, ran through the Transcender tests a few times then passes the test with no problem. I am not saying this to brag about my skills, I am saying this to point out that you hardly need to know anything about the product to pass the tests, and then they went and dropped the passing score to 55. Any one out there ever found a non-Microsoft test where a passing score is just over half right? The net result is a lot of poorly trained Microsoft-centric people in the controlling positions of IT. The people that know better are required to spout the company line of Microsoft or they get replaced with some one else that will. Few of the people that hire for IT departments realize that a computer is supposed to run for years with out a crash or reboot, and all they know is that Microsoft tells them they have to have people with certain certs that they have to pay Microsoft to get. And if you wonder why we on/. tend to MS bash a lot, it's because they are such a simple target and put in so much effort in bashing us. They are not a software company, they are a marketing company that happens to sell software. In that light they excel at what they do, but they keep claiming to be an honest software company, and in that they are sadly lacking.
But honestly officer, it's not a meth lab, I'm just working on my online chemistry class.
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No, they don't. They take it and run, use it how ever they like and hire any one they wish to make it for them. There is a case right now where that happened with some underwater cable connections. The guy is totaly SOL as being clasifide, he can't even show the evidence to a judge so it can't even go to court.
The RIAA, MPAA and malware folks everywhere thank you for your stance. A point you seem to have over looked is that it is not just for blocking in P2P situations, the lists are also simple to use to block bad sites for other applications. The though of 'I don't need protection because I am doing nothing wrong' is rather shortsighted and is the reason for so many compromised systems on the net today. Also, carry the thought over into other things and you can see how silly the idea is. I can pick a deadbolt lock nearly as fast as most people can use a key, yet I still use locks on my door. If you will only use something that is 100% perfect then I think you will have a hard time ever finding anything in the world that you can use.
You are not entitled to make your FOO harm some one else because it was stolen, that will put you behind BARs. I have daydreamed about security that can terminate vandals or folks ripping it off. I have had some delightful thought, but it's still against the law. If you make it and some one takes it and blows them selves up[, that's one thing. But if you make it and add in the undocumented feture that it will deliberatly do harm to some one, then you are in alot of leagal truble. Same goes for trashing some one elses data. When it hits the courts you will be in far more truble then the swashbucker with the eye patch.
Being an adult, I personaly don't care for some one else desiding what is good for me and forcing it on me. That sort of mentality quickly becomes self serving and can never be trusted. It's made worce by the fact that AOL could have offered it as a service to it's users, who then could have clicked a link to alow AOL to disable this. Had they put out word and offered a way to fix it I would have found my self in the uncomfortable position of having to prase AOL. How ever, as they chose to force there will on others rather then offering, I find my self in the more tipical position of condeming them. They broke the law, perhaps with the best of intent, but they still chose to crack thier own users systems and make changes with out the users permition. They should face charges for this. Don't like it, don't use ot? Good thought, but it still doesn't justify breaking into some one's system.
You would rather they waited weeks or months to fix a problem they were told about? The idea, as I see it, is to fix problems as soon as they can be fixed. It seems a bit unreasonable to falt them for fixing it quickly when we gripe at others for fixing problems so slowly. They could have put it there with bad intent, or it could be exactly what they clame, a poorly made auto-upgrader. Lord knows they wouldn't be the first to let out a program with less then perfect code. BTW, if it is what they clame, then all they would have to do is recompile it with out the source code for the auto-updater, hardly a time consuming fix.
Not nearly as bad as it first sounded. Yes, it is a first step and can be a proof of consept, but so long as it is restricted to people on probation as stated, then it's not so bad. With probation you are not free, you are simply watched outside of jail. Perhaps a slipery slope but it also provides protection for the person as well. Cops picking people up and 'leaning on them' is more tipical in movies then in real life, but it does happen. This would give the person the proof they need to show it realy did happen. If it works as clamed then it should only be a few years till it's used with all people on probation and could help both sides quite a bit.
I get 6 to 8 hours on the 2nd set I got from them. They put out word that the had some bad batteries and to call them for an RPL, took all of about 5 mins total, then a few days for them to get here. and if you don't like the life the get some better batteries, use some 1800 maH NIMs, they realy bring up the life and will charge fine in the unit.
It can get better. I have the 6000 jukebox and found that a 30 gig drive fits quite nicely in it and works as well as the 6 gig it comes with, and at $150 it makes a nice upgrade and only drops battery life by about an hour. Using the Monster 1800 ma NIMs corects that quickly as the bats it comes with are only 1500 ma NIMs. They also have 48 gig drives that are the same size over on pricewatch.com, havent tried one of those in my jukebox, but I bet it would be real nice in this player.
So far as I have been able to tell, ZoneAlarm blocks it all. The it asks you if you want to let the program though. as for other firwalls, I know the one on my router logs everything and I do look over the logs and would notice connections to my email server that I didn't do. I also notice when things go out on odd ports. Perhaps the people they are spying on wouldn't notice, but I know I would, and I don't have any reason to be paranoid. I would expect those with reason, like terrorists, to be even more paranoid then I am.
Is it just me, or would any one else start to wonder about the aplication trying to get out through ZoneAlarm? any simple firewall would catch that trying to send data to the FBI and alert the person to the spying. Just watch how fast the system gets scrubbed when the 'crook' sees something like that. once again they forget that the people who are a real danger will have no truble getting around thier snooping, and worce, this one will alert them to the fact that they are being checked out.
A better question is, what if they find something that looks like their song, maybe it is, maybe it isn't? They jam up your file sharing and prevent any one from downloading the songs that/you/ made at the same time. Now they are illegally blocking access to songs that you own the copyright to, bet that would look lovely in the papers.
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Not so, and he didn't say that none of the adds sold anything, he somply said that the spammer doesn't care if they do or not. Just as there are large numbers of people that do reply to spam, there is also a large enough group of people willing to pay spammers to spam for them. You get $10,000 from one guy and it cost you next to nothing. How long would you be willing to wait for the next sucker to ask you to spam for them? So the first guy got nothing and went broak, a little sweet talking and waving of numbers and you have a new person willing to pay you. Do that 10 times in 1 year and that's a nice $100,000 in your pocket for doing less then a days worth of work all year. In time, people will stopp falling for it, but by then the nest generation of idiots is jumping to pony up the cash. Some times I hate having ethics... I could really use that money my self.
How? That should be self evident. If or wills can change reality even to a small extent, then why would a skeptic not have the same ability? If I claim I can open doors, and you claim that I can not, and hold the door closed or lock it, have you disproved my ability to open doors? The will of the skeptic is not weaker by definition then the will of the believer, and could well be an other force that needs to be overcome. Add enough forces to over come and you can stop anything. I knew a guy that did dowsing for a living, out of 20 wells he picked while I lived there he missed 1, he was also correct to with in 10 feet on depth. No, all the wells were not the same. They ranged from 50 feet to nearly 400 feet. How did he do it? No idea. But I know that he didn't have any geo-maps of the place, I know there were no geo-maps made of that part of Colorado as I long tried to find some. But for the real proof of how skeptics can prevent the results they are skeptical about just look at sports, or school. Who tends to do better, the people that are believed in or the ones that are doubted?. Certainly there are many stories of people overcoming the doubters, but they are hardly the norm. When questioning what the will can and can not do, you need to take in to account both sides.
You are making an error. You are confusing the medium with the message. If your statement was correct then the mass of a film in a can could be correctly calculated by measuring the the mass pressing on a movie screen. I do not think this is what you are intending to claim. Your statement would also give more mas to the words of Steven Hawking then to those of a preschooler. Now, while we do consider Mr Hawkings words to carry more 'weight', it is figurative and not literal. Thought does not have mass nor does it have speed. The /medium/ that it propagates in can have those restrictions, but the thought it self does not. From this is it a rather short step to the 'spooky effect' where by things do seem to effect each other despite the distance. It has also been shown in a number of stories posted here and in scientific journals that we have managed to not only send information faster then light, but even to propagate it backwards in time. The back in time I'm still not convinced of, but the results do seem to show it even if I am suspecting a wrong interpretation of those results. Now granted, most of this has been on a micro scale, but quantum encryption has been used successfully over many kilometers and is an example of this sort of data transfer on a macro scale. Also keep in mind the lessens of history. Far too many times in history people have stated what is and is not possible and gone on to 'prove' it with the science and accepted wisdom of the time, only to be laughed at by later generations that have taken the science farther and found new wisdom.
Looking at this I have to laugh a bit, in a sad way. I'm all for Microsoft protecting them selves, though considering I despise the company I'm more happy when they shoot them selves in the foot. This is likely to do that. How many hackers do you think will be searching for that disable code now so they can be the next thing on CNN? My bet, quite a few. One of them hits it and corps get totally shut down, that will go over real well. Then there's the other issue. How many places that requite security will want this thing around when they are told by Microsoft that it will have to be able to send data out, and you will not know what is being sent, you just have to trust us. Heh, trust, right. Any one care to make a wager on how trusting the folks at the Pentagon are with systems sending data in and out? Or even better, knowing that with one command some one could shut all of their systems down? They will sh*t enough bricks to build a new pentagon. Any one who needs security will have no choice but to drop Microsoft across the board and /fast/. Think any one in the government will like the idea of a remote kill switch in their system? Not a chance. Naw, this is one of those things that stands to be a good boost to open source. So get out there and let people know what can and will be happening, and let them know there is an other choice.
Um, maybe it's just me, but I think I see a simple way to end the use of 'standby'. It seems that if the game looses connect to all the other players it would be able to detect that. Oh certainly not instantly, but with in a short time. If that happens it could freeze that player as well. If the standby-er freezes right along with every one else, then there is no advantage to it and one tool goes away. Certainly it doesn't fix everything, but it does help to make the cheat less useful.
One of the big reasons for no levitation is the cities. Each city is it's own cell or group of cells apart from the rest of the world, what you see from outside is a place holder and not the real city. Fly into a city and you are in a low res graphic that does nothing. You can conferm that by looking down into some of the cities from above on a hill or such. Tha layout is totaly different and most of the buildings aren't even there. An other reason is it would let you bypass a lot of the things they want you to have to encounter.
>>Yes, firefox is indeed greater than women. Can women block pops up for you? No. Can Firefox show you naked women? Yes.'
Clearly you have spent more time with firefox then with a woman. A woman can quite effectively block pop-ups. There is the cold water trick, long lectures about toilet seats and the ever popular 'point and laugh' method. And unlike with a woman, with firefox you can get a virus just by looking.
Ya know, in a way that /is/ what they are doing. Oh, they don't give you a free computer, but they do talk your bosses into requiring windows. Then they make all the windows certs look real impressive when they really mean next to nothing. When I worked for Gateway we had a person with an MCSE that had to be shown how to drag and drop a file. She was totally incompetent on computers, yet she moved up to a higher paying job because of that cert. I my self got an MCP because Microsoft told Gateway that we had to have a certain number of people on staff with an MCP. I looked over the intro of the book, ran through the Transcender tests a few times then passes the test with no problem. I am not saying this to brag about my skills, I am saying this to point out that you hardly need to know anything about the product to pass the tests, and then they went and dropped the passing score to 55. Any one out there ever found a non-Microsoft test where a passing score is just over half right? The net result is a lot of poorly trained Microsoft-centric people in the controlling positions of IT. The people that know better are required to spout the company line of Microsoft or they get replaced with some one else that will. Few of the people that hire for IT departments realize that a computer is supposed to run for years with out a crash or reboot, and all they know is that Microsoft tells them they have to have people with certain certs that they have to pay Microsoft to get. And if you wonder why we on /. tend to MS bash a lot, it's because they are such a simple target and put in so much effort in bashing us. They are not a software company, they are a marketing company that happens to sell software. In that light they excel at what they do, but they keep claiming to be an honest software company, and in that they are sadly lacking.
But honestly officer, it's not a meth lab, I'm just working on my online chemistry class.
No, they don't. They take it and run, use it how ever they like and hire any one they wish to make it for them. There is a case right now where that happened with some underwater cable connections. The guy is totaly SOL as being clasifide, he can't even show the evidence to a judge so it can't even go to court.
The RIAA, MPAA and malware folks everywhere thank you for your stance. A point you seem to have over looked is that it is not just for blocking in P2P situations, the lists are also simple to use to block bad sites for other applications. The though of 'I don't need protection because I am doing nothing wrong' is rather shortsighted and is the reason for so many compromised systems on the net today. Also, carry the thought over into other things and you can see how silly the idea is. I can pick a deadbolt lock nearly as fast as most people can use a key, yet I still use locks on my door. If you will only use something that is 100% perfect then I think you will have a hard time ever finding anything in the world that you can use.
After trying to DL it since the article was posted, I think they are using a different deff for 'available'.
Cool, I'd love to install one of those on my system.
Would that be Chernobyl certen? Shit happens, tends to be a good idea not to be the one to enable the next levle of shit happening.
You are not entitled to make your FOO harm some one else because it was stolen, that will put you behind BARs. I have daydreamed about security that can terminate vandals or folks ripping it off. I have had some delightful thought, but it's still against the law. If you make it and some one takes it and blows them selves up[, that's one thing. But if you make it and add in the undocumented feture that it will deliberatly do harm to some one, then you are in alot of leagal truble. Same goes for trashing some one elses data. When it hits the courts you will be in far more truble then the swashbucker with the eye patch.
Being an adult, I personaly don't care for some one else desiding what is good for me and forcing it on me. That sort of mentality quickly becomes self serving and can never be trusted. It's made worce by the fact that AOL could have offered it as a service to it's users, who then could have clicked a link to alow AOL to disable this. Had they put out word and offered a way to fix it I would have found my self in the uncomfortable position of having to prase AOL. How ever, as they chose to force there will on others rather then offering, I find my self in the more tipical position of condeming them. They broke the law, perhaps with the best of intent, but they still chose to crack thier own users systems and make changes with out the users permition. They should face charges for this. Don't like it, don't use ot? Good thought, but it still doesn't justify breaking into some one's system.
You would rather they waited weeks or months to fix a problem they were told about? The idea, as I see it, is to fix problems as soon as they can be fixed. It seems a bit unreasonable to falt them for fixing it quickly when we gripe at others for fixing problems so slowly. They could have put it there with bad intent, or it could be exactly what they clame, a poorly made auto-upgrader. Lord knows they wouldn't be the first to let out a program with less then perfect code. BTW, if it is what they clame, then all they would have to do is recompile it with out the source code for the auto-updater, hardly a time consuming fix.
Not nearly as bad as it first sounded. Yes, it is a first step and can be a proof of consept, but so long as it is restricted to people on probation as stated, then it's not so bad. With probation you are not free, you are simply watched outside of jail. Perhaps a slipery slope but it also provides protection for the person as well. Cops picking people up and 'leaning on them' is more tipical in movies then in real life, but it does happen. This would give the person the proof they need to show it realy did happen. If it works as clamed then it should only be a few years till it's used with all people on probation and could help both sides quite a bit.
I get 6 to 8 hours on the 2nd set I got from them. They put out word that the had some bad batteries and to call them for an RPL, took all of about 5 mins total, then a few days for them to get here. and if you don't like the life the get some better batteries, use some 1800 maH NIMs, they realy bring up the life and will charge fine in the unit.
It can get better. I have the 6000 jukebox and found that a 30 gig drive fits quite nicely in it and works as well as the 6 gig it comes with, and at $150 it makes a nice upgrade and only drops battery life by about an hour. Using the Monster 1800 ma NIMs corects that quickly as the bats it comes with are only 1500 ma NIMs. They also have 48 gig drives that are the same size over on pricewatch.com, havent tried one of those in my jukebox, but I bet it would be real nice in this player.
So far as I have been able to tell, ZoneAlarm blocks it all. The it asks you if you want to let the program though. as for other firwalls, I know the one on my router logs everything and I do look over the logs and would notice connections to my email server that I didn't do. I also notice when things go out on odd ports. Perhaps the people they are spying on wouldn't notice, but I know I would, and I don't have any reason to be paranoid. I would expect those with reason, like terrorists, to be even more paranoid then I am.
Is it just me, or would any one else start to wonder about the aplication trying to get out through ZoneAlarm? any simple firewall would catch that trying to send data to the FBI and alert the person to the spying. Just watch how fast the system gets scrubbed when the 'crook' sees something like that. once again they forget that the people who are a real danger will have no truble getting around thier snooping, and worce, this one will alert them to the fact that they are being checked out.
A better question is, what if they find something that looks like their song, maybe it is, maybe it isn't? They jam up your file sharing and prevent any one from downloading the songs that /you/ made at the same time. Now they are illegally blocking access to songs that you own the copyright to, bet that would look lovely in the papers.
no, but then neither are most of the users.
This sort of thing has been out for a while. The Nintendo Powerglove works quit well and you can still find the specs for hooking it up to a PC :)