That's simple. one is a action that was delibert. the uther is just a fact of life. it could coust some one thier life. you you wish to be the person that said to put it in when the lawyers come knocking with a needless death case? granted it doesn't seem all that likely but here in the US people will call a lawyer if they break into your house and hurt them selves. it will come up sooner or later.
There is a game called Enlightenment that I beleaves fits. At the start every one can advance, as some one gets ahead they must give to others inorder to advance at all. Sady I am not able to find a link for the game and the last time I saw it was about 8 or 9 years ago. it seemed that few people wanted to play a game where you had to help others rather then step on them.
Does it bother you that a number of people already know how to do exactly that? I for one can pick most home locks in the same time it takes the owner to open it with a key {not as impresive as it sounds}. I do not go around picking random locks that I find on other peoples land.. how ever I feel there is nothing wrong in picking any of the locks that are on my land. The goverment feels it is not wrong to tap any phone at any time just to see if anything is going on. Tempest is an other good example of that resoning. In England and other places they will drive by in a van and see what you are watching, it happens in the US also. If it is ok for them to decode EMF coming from your home then it must be ok for you to decode EMF being sent into your home. The diff I see is if you are hacking thier cards then you are doing something wrong.. it is not yours to change. if you hack a 3rd party card that you own or build your own... more power to ya:). Personaly I am impresed with DTVs way of dealing with it and I will be grinning for some time. They are fully with in thier rights as I see it to do what they did and all I can realy say about it is 'wow...'. I also feel that the folks finding ways around it are fully with in thier rights to do so and I am considering joining thier ranks just for the fun of it {I hate TV and watch less then 2 hours a month}.
They can be a bad thing. the company I work for tries to make every one sign them when they start. Luckly for me I questiond it and asked for clarification on a few points... then they forgot to ask me to sign it after explaining it. It has been three years now and no one has noticed the oversight:). Had they insisted that I sign I would have turned down the job. A little something to every one else that has yet to be trapped by one, question it and see if you can 'forget' to sign it. there is a good chance that it will be missed.
Yes you are, new users. sure you and most people here know all that stuff but frankly I didn't even know there/was/ such a thing as hosts.allow or a hosts.deny file untill some one started scanning my system. I wouldn't have even noticed if not for something on SlashDot talking about IPchains. I turned it on and wow.. the things I discovered. I did a full reload incase I had been cracked and reset up, I found out about the hosts.allow and deny so I tried to set it up. unless you already know what you are doing it is rather hard to find out the format the two files need to be in. lets face it alot of clueless people are getting into Linux and I was one of them. we need to put out something that covers the things people here assume every one already knows. I thought I had my system closed through the deny and allow files for a week befor I discovered that I had the wrong format and they were doing nothing. I have corected it now but thanks to this ramen problem I have discovered that I needed to do more {no I haven't been hit.. I atleast know to keep up-to-date}. How meny of you knew on your first install of Linux that you had to change the hosts.allow and the hosts.deny? how meny of you knew the format to use? how meny of you knew that you could add anonymous to ftpusers to close anonymous FTP? I know I didn't know any of this when I first started. I am learning and we need to stop bashing those that don't know and help them find out. remember even/you/ had to learn this at one time. you were not born all knowing.
There have been what? 2 viruss {or how ever you wish to say it} for Linux or it's apps.. any one out there have a count of the number of MS viruss out there? I'll take those odds even if this one formatted my system rather then just closing the holes and looking for other systems with a less then atentive admin.
Oh, now that is an interesting thought. how long do you think it will take for all those MS hating l33t h4x0rs to DDOS the MS site and totaly screw MS becouse no one will be able to activate the OS.. heh.. almost makes me want to become l33t;).
not all the chalenges are BS.. a few years back.. ok.. alot of years back when the 286 was the 'hot new system'.. a friend of ming was given the same sort of chalenge. he took the system down and was offered a job when he finished school. I know that if I was told by a teacher that he wanted us to hack or crack a system that was owned by the school I would have the strong impresion that this was something the school had intended and was part of the class. I do the same sort of thing with my systems when I am trying to teach some one about computers.
As I see it Sun is with in the law, it's not nice but is with in the law. The question I have is would giving out the GPLed source with the Sun bins, maybe even including the conversion program, corect the GPL problem?
"Excuse me, but can we expect every parent to do the job we hope they will do?"
No, nor should we. 'We' could be a Christian group wanting the children to be brought up in the 'true faith' or 'We' could be a Muslum group wanting the exact same thing or even a Satanic group. I personaly will/not/ do the job that others hope I will do. I will do the job that I feel is right for my child and I will hope that it is the corect path to take. The goverment should not be alowed to run society nor should any group that shands to benifit by serving thier own ends rather then those of society {not like it's ever been posible to set up that way}.
One other thing to consider, the event horizon is not a static line. it is dependent of the energy level of the particl. Xrays are able to escape from farther down the gravity well then visable light.
Hate to tell you this but in alot of states in the US if you leave a house or land and I deside to move in then after about 5 or 10 years depending on the state I can clame it as mine and you are S.O.L.. in other countries it can be even faster, put up 4 walls and a roof and the land enclosed is yours. Then of cource there are the other salvage laws, cars left for 6 months in some states or 1 year in others can be clamed by the owner of the property it's on {make sure you're in one of the states with these laws befor trying this}. Why should programs be any different? if you abandon something they you are showing you nolonger have an interest in it and in the case of programs you may be breaking your cotract with the people who did pay for it {not a good way to make paying customers happy}. Perhaps what is needed is not the sites to pass it out but a class action against the owners of the copy rite that nolonger follow thier contracts by refusing to reissue disks to paying customers.
You would have full rights to do what ever you wanted with it. How ever, should you sell me a copy of that book and state that if it is damaged that you will suport/replace it and then down the line deside that it's too much truble for you then we have a problem. At that point you are not honoring your contract with me. I hold the right to a RPL copy of the book, yet you refuse to alow me to have it. Am I wrong to get it someplace else? Granted if I never paid for the book I shouldn't just copy it and take it, but if I pay for it and our agrement says I am entitled to a replacement copy then what is wrong with me getting it from some one else if you refuse?
good argument, except for one thing. Remember all those advances and such that come out of the sales? guess what happens if the sales of the CD are not high enuff to cover it? Does the recording lable lose money? they may, but only after taking everything the artist has. The lable does not just forgive the debet, they try to colect every penny from the artist. If the lable said 'it didn't sell like we hoped, lets just forget about the money we gave you' rather then 'We gave you $xxx,xxx... and your sales didn't cover it. we want our money' then perhaps I would beleave that they have to charge more to cover the ones that don't sell well and I would be willing to pay the higher price.
Check with spinn.net I'm in NM and they got me set up. There are also a number of other local ISPs that have just started offering it here such as thuntek.net. As for these 'eggs'... I'm undesided about it. I don't like the idea of people going out of thier way just to piss some one else off, but I do support making a statement. All in all I say screw it, I'd rather deal with the crap that some folks will toss into the mix then set up a way to lock people or songs out. Once such a thing is in place it/will/ be abussed and you just have to look around at the world to see where that goes. Free speach for every one!... Well.. that person is just cussing so we will block them. Hmm.. they found a way around that so we will log who is who so we can keep the bad people from sidestepping the block. Ok, that person has a problem with 'ethnics' add them to the list. Hay, those people are teaching folks how to make drugs... we can't have that better block them to. It's just not worth starting the trend, even if it is stopped quickly.
And how meny times would this happen if you/didn't/ have to get it off the 'black market'? regulate them like other well known leagal drugs {any one out there haveing a nic fit or feel like a drink?} and not only do you solve that problem but you start bringing in money rather then throwing it away. Make it against the law to give info about drugs and how meny more places will blow up and people poisoned becouse some one was trying to work it out on thier own? Folks have already proven that this is what will happen, lead poisoning in mooshine and other wonderfull things. What it comes down to is you can't stop it and you can't even force it to slow down. The best you can do is help people to learn about it so that they don't feel a need to 'find out on thier own'.
{Doing my part to promote creative spelling for over 30 years}
D'oh! that was evil dude. Now I'm going to be all stressed out wanting to see the movie but not wanting to fund those bozos... maybe some one will post a link to the movie so we can all DL it {nudge, nudge, wink, wink...}.
This may be totaly redundent or totaly wrong {if I'm lucky maybe both} as I haven't looked at every post but, As I understand it to hold a name that you are not using, that some one else has a legitimet use for, then auction it off for more then it would cost to regester it in the first place falls dead on for cybersquatting. They only say what will be done with the money up to what is owed but say nothing of what happenes with the rest of the money and if it's an auction then the bidding will go well over the price for meny names {if they cut it off at the owed amount then there will be no highest bidder as every one that wants it will top it out}. Taking colection actions and deleting the name would be fine, but I see auctioning it off as nothing different then what so meny people gripe at the cybersquatters for doing.
Dyslexics of the world UNTIE!! {doing my part to promote creative spelling}
Nope. But if they make the cracker so that it will break more if I use cheese made by some one other then Nabisco {tm} then it will if I use thier cheese then I have a big problem with it. Microsoft {tm} had been shown to be operating in this way {DrDOS any one?}. That is why I suport a slapdown for them.
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Want to understand why we tend to defend owning a gun? read history right around 1776 and you will see why alot of us defend owning guns.
That's simple. one is a action that was delibert. the uther is just a fact of life. it could coust some one thier life. you you wish to be the person that said to put it in when the lawyers come knocking with a needless death case? granted it doesn't seem all that likely but here in the US people will call a lawyer if they break into your house and hurt them selves. it will come up sooner or later.
There is a game called Enlightenment that I beleaves fits. At the start every one can advance, as some one gets ahead they must give to others inorder to advance at all. Sady I am not able to find a link for the game and the last time I saw it was about 8 or 9 years ago. it seemed that few people wanted to play a game where you had to help others rather then step on them.
Does it bother you that a number of people already know how to do exactly that? I for one can pick most home locks in the same time it takes the owner to open it with a key {not as impresive as it sounds}. I do not go around picking random locks that I find on other peoples land.. how ever I feel there is nothing wrong in picking any of the locks that are on my land. The goverment feels it is not wrong to tap any phone at any time just to see if anything is going on. Tempest is an other good example of that resoning. In England and other places they will drive by in a van and see what you are watching, it happens in the US also. If it is ok for them to decode EMF coming from your home then it must be ok for you to decode EMF being sent into your home. The diff I see is if you are hacking thier cards then you are doing something wrong.. it is not yours to change. if you hack a 3rd party card that you own or build your own... more power to ya :). Personaly I am impresed with DTVs way of dealing with it and I will be grinning for some time. They are fully with in thier rights as I see it to do what they did and all I can realy say about it is 'wow...'. I also feel that the folks finding ways around it are fully with in thier rights to do so and I am considering joining thier ranks just for the fun of it {I hate TV and watch less then 2 hours a month}.
They can be a bad thing. the company I work for tries to make every one sign them when they start. Luckly for me I questiond it and asked for clarification on a few points... then they forgot to ask me to sign it after explaining it. It has been three years now and no one has noticed the oversight :). Had they insisted that I sign I would have turned down the job. A little something to every one else that has yet to be trapped by one, question it and see if you can 'forget' to sign it. there is a good chance that it will be missed.
Yes you are, new users. sure you and most people here know all that stuff but frankly I didn't even know there /was/ such a thing as hosts.allow or a hosts.deny file untill some one started scanning my system. I wouldn't have even noticed if not for something on SlashDot talking about IPchains. I turned it on and wow.. the things I discovered. I did a full reload incase I had been cracked and reset up, I found out about the hosts.allow and deny so I tried to set it up. unless you already know what you are doing it is rather hard to find out the format the two files need to be in. lets face it alot of clueless people are getting into Linux and I was one of them. we need to put out something that covers the things people here assume every one already knows. I thought I had my system closed through the deny and allow files for a week befor I discovered that I had the wrong format and they were doing nothing. I have corected it now but thanks to this ramen problem I have discovered that I needed to do more {no I haven't been hit.. I atleast know to keep up-to-date}. How meny of you knew on your first install of Linux that you had to change the hosts.allow and the hosts.deny? how meny of you knew the format to use? how meny of you knew that you could add anonymous to ftpusers to close anonymous FTP? I know I didn't know any of this when I first started. I am learning and we need to stop bashing those that don't know and help them find out. remember even /you/ had to learn this at one time. you were not born all knowing.
There have been what? 2 viruss {or how ever you wish to say it} for Linux or it's apps.. any one out there have a count of the number of MS viruss out there? I'll take those odds even if this one formatted my system rather then just closing the holes and looking for other systems with a less then atentive admin.
I know you are... doesn't make you wrong though.
Oh, now that is an interesting thought. how long do you think it will take for all those MS hating l33t h4x0rs to DDOS the MS site and totaly screw MS becouse no one will be able to activate the OS.. heh.. almost makes me want to become l33t ;).
a hidden SN isn't needed, almost all of the PC makers put thier name in the BIOS and lock programs to just the name.
not all the chalenges are BS.. a few years back.. ok.. alot of years back when the 286 was the 'hot new system'.. a friend of ming was given the same sort of chalenge. he took the system down and was offered a job when he finished school. I know that if I was told by a teacher that he wanted us to hack or crack a system that was owned by the school I would have the strong impresion that this was something the school had intended and was part of the class. I do the same sort of thing with my systems when I am trying to teach some one about computers.
Wow, I like how you put that :).
As I see it Sun is with in the law, it's not nice but is with in the law. The question I have is would giving out the GPLed source with the Sun bins, maybe even including the conversion program, corect the GPL problem?
"Excuse me, but can we expect every parent to do the job we hope they will do?"
/not/ do the job that others hope I will do. I will do the job that I feel is right for my child and I will hope that it is the corect path to take. The goverment should not be alowed to run society nor should any group that shands to benifit by serving thier own ends rather then those of society {not like it's ever been posible to set up that way}.
No, nor should we. 'We' could be a Christian group wanting the children to be brought up in the 'true faith' or 'We' could be a Muslum group wanting the exact same thing or even a Satanic group. I personaly will
One other thing to consider, the event horizon is not a static line. it is dependent of the energy level of the particl. Xrays are able to escape from farther down the gravity well then visable light.
Hate to tell you this but in alot of states in the US if you leave a house or land and I deside to move in then after about 5 or 10 years depending on the state I can clame it as mine and you are S.O.L.. in other countries it can be even faster, put up 4 walls and a roof and the land enclosed is yours. Then of cource there are the other salvage laws, cars left for 6 months in some states or 1 year in others can be clamed by the owner of the property it's on {make sure you're in one of the states with these laws befor trying this}. Why should programs be any different? if you abandon something they you are showing you nolonger have an interest in it and in the case of programs you may be breaking your cotract with the people who did pay for it {not a good way to make paying customers happy}. Perhaps what is needed is not the sites to pass it out but a class action against the owners of the copy rite that nolonger follow thier contracts by refusing to reissue disks to paying customers.
You would have full rights to do what ever you wanted with it. How ever, should you sell me a copy of that book and state that if it is damaged that you will suport/replace it and then down the line deside that it's too much truble for you then we have a problem. At that point you are not honoring your contract with me. I hold the right to a RPL copy of the book, yet you refuse to alow me to have it. Am I wrong to get it someplace else? Granted if I never paid for the book I shouldn't just copy it and take it, but if I pay for it and our agrement says I am entitled to a replacement copy then what is wrong with me getting it from some one else if you refuse?
good argument, except for one thing. Remember all those advances and such that come out of the sales? guess what happens if the sales of the CD are not high enuff to cover it? Does the recording lable lose money? they may, but only after taking everything the artist has. The lable does not just forgive the debet, they try to colect every penny from the artist. If the lable said 'it didn't sell like we hoped, lets just forget about the money we gave you' rather then 'We gave you $xxx,xxx... and your sales didn't cover it. we want our money' then perhaps I would beleave that they have to charge more to cover the ones that don't sell well and I would be willing to pay the higher price.
ViaVoice has a LINUX distro out and if you want to try VM and use Win then Dragon Naturally Speaking works rather well.
Oh yea, web surfing in the car is a fun idea. Talk about a Fatal Error...
Check with spinn.net I'm in NM and they got me set up. There are also a number of other local ISPs that have just started offering it here such as thuntek.net. As for these 'eggs'... I'm undesided about it. I don't like the idea of people going out of thier way just to piss some one else off, but I do support making a statement. All in all I say screw it, I'd rather deal with the crap that some folks will toss into the mix then set up a way to lock people or songs out. Once such a thing is in place it /will/ be abussed and you just have to look around at the world to see where that goes. Free speach for every one!... Well.. that person is just cussing so we will block them. Hmm.. they found a way around that so we will log who is who so we can keep the bad people from sidestepping the block. Ok, that person has a problem with 'ethnics' add them to the list. Hay, those people are teaching folks how to make drugs... we can't have that better block them to.
It's just not worth starting the trend, even if it is stopped quickly.
And how meny times would this happen if you /didn't/ have to get it off the 'black market'? regulate them like other well known leagal drugs {any one out there haveing a nic fit or feel like a drink?} and not only do you solve that problem but you start bringing in money rather then throwing it away. Make it against the law to give info about drugs and how meny more places will blow up and people poisoned becouse some one was trying to work it out on thier own? Folks have already proven that this is what will happen, lead poisoning in mooshine and other wonderfull things. What it comes down to is you can't stop it and you can't even force it to slow down. The best you can do is help people to learn about it so that they don't feel a need to 'find out on thier own'.
{Doing my part to promote creative spelling for over 30 years}
D'oh! that was evil dude. Now I'm going to be all stressed out wanting to see the movie but not wanting to fund those bozos... maybe some one will post a link to the movie so we can all DL it {nudge, nudge, wink, wink...}.
This may be totaly redundent or totaly wrong {if I'm lucky maybe both} as I haven't looked at every post but, As I understand it to hold a name that you are not using, that some one else has a legitimet use for, then auction it off for more then it would cost to regester it in the first place falls dead on for cybersquatting. They only say what will be done with the money up to what is owed but say nothing of what happenes with the rest of the money and if it's an auction then the bidding will go well over the price for meny names {if they cut it off at the owed amount then there will be no highest bidder as every one that wants it will top it out}. Taking colection actions and deleting the name would be fine, but I see auctioning it off as nothing different then what so meny people gripe at the cybersquatters for doing.
Dyslexics of the world UNTIE!! {doing my part to promote creative spelling}
Nope. But if they make the cracker so that it will break more if I use cheese made by some one other then Nabisco {tm} then it will if I use thier cheese then I have a big problem with it. Microsoft {tm} had been shown to be operating in this way {DrDOS any one?}. That is why I suport a slapdown for them.