I've wondered about that, too. I think the reason is that both parties want to maintain the ability to filibuster....
If they wanted to break the filibuster it would really be as simple as giving each senator an opportunity to ask his/her questions and then be done with their part --- and thus they would not be permitted to ask again or maintain more debate after they had asked.
Americans consistently poll between 60-70% to want SINGLE PAYER. Single payer strips out PROFIT from medicine. IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH MEDICINE; it simply mediates the funding of the people to the actual providers.
I appreciate some of the positive things from this health care bill, but am wary that it did not address the most highly demanded request of the people. The lawmakers played it to keep their funders in play and ignored what the people really want.
If we went single payer, even most conservatives would come to appreciate the awesome savings as compared to our current system with or without the new legislature.
US = ~$6400/person (but has people denied/screwed) Canada = ~$3600/person -- all covered, no insurance trickery.
And before you quote the misinformation about Canadian healthcare, I request you talk to a Canadian. I took it upon myself to talk to over 40 Canadians and of the 40, only one had any qualm about healthcare at all. The rest were purely satisfied.
Ask 40 Americans and you'll find many that have been screwed, many upset, and many that don't even have healthcare.
Docotors and Nurses want Single Payer. The people want Single Payer. Even Obama wanted it until he was elected.
Free markets are great. I will always enjoy the concept of the free market on many things that I interact with in life. Healthcare is *not* something that should be in the market for PROFIT. The only money that I want to pay between me and the healthcare is the small cost of administering the funding transfer. Shame on those who would attempt to profit from my unavoidable needs.
What you stated is why they incorporated FINES into the system so that you cannot try to 'work it' for your personal benefit and screw the rest of us.
You do know that if you 'work it', and there was no check on that, that you would just drive the costs higher for those of us who are truly responsible.. right?
What you are talking about is similar to those who simply avoid insurance, but use the obligated E.R. for aid when they find they need help.
... It seems we will voluntarily invoke orwellian lifestyle.
Everyone is screaming "look at me" for attention, but also complains about the government's oversight... HELLO! Did you want attention in public or did you want privacy? Not only are people's locations, relationships, and photographs posted online --- their feelings/emotions, beliefs, and personal problems are too! I'm not knocking it -- this is quite obviously what people are really going to do.
The world is getting far too small for many of our older ideas. Privacy will dissolve whether we like it or not. Privacy is an illusion.
Our lawmakers keep pandering to the big businesses/corporations/oligopolies that paid for their elections; driving the smaller businesses overseas because they can't compete when the laws are being written against them.
Recently in california a law was being promoted (for good reason) that would bar lawmakers from directly receiving SMS from lobbyists while actually voting on laws. Now I never would have assumed the connection to be so direct as this, but at least now I know what We The People are fighting against.
And now Mr. Yes We Can Obama is part of the move to give corps more ability to fund elections.... *rolleyes*. What's new.
So the judge knows the actual barring is baseless, but is doing it to protect these rich banks and their advantages for long enough for them to fix their leaks.
I thought judges were here to uphold laws, not temporally wipe their ass with the 1st amendment in favor of big banks.
Yeah, but those 20% ain't making the kind of progress you would expect to keep interacting with them.
I don't care if the elephant has lasers and homing missles strapped to its back... if the elephant keeps farting in the room when its inappropriate, eventually you won't want it in the room.
Its not like google didn't attempt a rational conversation about responsibility and propriety. They did. The chinese said they won't...
Any personal work is already backed by copyright. The government, or anyone else, making copies of that e-mail but not being the intended recipients are violating my rights to this personal work.
HOW ABOUT SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT STOPS AND THINKS IF THEY WANT THIS SHIT DONE TO THEM.
Hackers should expose government employees and leaders' personal e-mails and collect/track their data and present it online in a searchable manner. I don't think these people are going to care about THE PEOPLE until THE PEOPLE show them that they are people too.
Everything is expensive. And it gets more expensive when you want to do it more responsibly.
The issue is not how much it costs, but whether you're willing to pay it instead of afford a third HDTV and a second vacation this year.
The issue is whether we will invest in our future or indulge in today.
The issue is whether we will delay satisfaction for the better outcome or if we will live in the now and do what feels good.
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I'm pretty happy and live somewhat simply; the material things in our lives are not what makes us happy. I wish more people in my country were interested in the future and happy with what they've got --- but a quick look around me tells me that by-and-large they keep looking for happiness in consumerism.
You know your culture is selfish when its government is taking out debt on our children and grandchildren to satisfy the people of today. The majority of people who benefit from our created deficits will not be alive when its time to pay it. NOW THATS SELFISH.
2 birds, 1 very expensive stone. It would probably cost a great deal of money to build tunnels, evacuate out almost all the air, and maintain that low atmosphere. Sure, it might save some energy of running the train, but the money and resources needed to do this would greatly outweigh any benefit. We are almost certainly much better off investing in other ways of producing or saving energy.
Really? I know the original idea was not well delivered or *proven*, but your criticism has nothing legitimate to disprove it but is written in a tone that suggests that you are absolutely right.
If you're going to say THIS IS HOW IT IS, I want to see WHY.
There actually has to be a market to even talk about the market. For health insurance and telecomms there simply is none.... Too few players all in quiet agreement; and when the product is a NEED instead of a WANT there really is no 'market'.
That is not true. For most my employers I've gone above and beyond simply for the ability to improve the business. Much of the good deeds I've done go unnoticed but that doesn't matter to me.
I would agree many people don't take pride in their work and go above and beyond, but that doesn't mean it is always that way. There are people out there that are passionate about their daily doings and include their work in it.
I think you've put something is out of place. You are saying healthcare is food. Quite different. While I can grow some veggies in my back yard and buy local from people I trust, I can't get an MRI without someone standing in the middle waiting for a dollar that isn't deserved. Very different things here. There really isn't an option to provide your own healthcare.
When the product is a NEED rather than a WANT, the whole tone of business is changed. Health insurance knows you NEED them, so they really don't give a fuck about you and know your dollars will flow in their direction no matter what you think about them.
People opposed to single-payer are ignorant and/or complete liars; people who think health insurance 'markets' are competitive are simply blind to reality and echoing irrational rhetoric.
Obviously the government just raises taxes and increases funding instead of things getting 'harder' and pressuring their entities to act 'smarter'.
The thing that I get sick of seeing is the constant bickering about our government; and I admit I am just as guilty. Why am I sick of it? Our government is *OURS*. No matter how bad you want to point at corruption, lobbies, the republic, etc, the ultimate culpability for the actions of our government is on us people. If our government is out of hand, its still our fault. If our government is doing things we don't agree with, its still our fault.
When people attach blame, or decide to attack, who are they talking about? They are talking about the United States and all its people. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR GOVERNMENT AND ITS REPERCUSSIONS.
You have to consider the personal incentives for managers with budget authority. If you manage a shrinking department, there's no rewards for spending less money. Your prestige and responsibility shrink, and your career path dwindles. For better or for worse, all of the incentives for budget managers are towards bigger and bigger spending allocations.
Yes, I can consider that. And when considering it, and as you have pointed out, the motivation to spend is selfish and not in the interest of the company and is also a perversion of the intent of the concept of use it or lose it.
If you have time will you please reason your claims for me? I would like to know why you feel so confident about the reality of solar that you would say that this new discovery/invention will not surpass the current bests.
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I've wondered about that, too. I think the reason is that both parties want to maintain the ability to filibuster....
If they wanted to break the filibuster it would really be as simple as giving each senator an opportunity to ask his/her questions and then be done with their part --- and thus they would not be permitted to ask again or maintain more debate after they had asked.
So you're saying I should have gotten MW2 for $15!
(Mod it funny; anyone who owns the game knows it took 5 hours)
THIS IS WHY WE NEED SINGLE PAYER!
Americans consistently poll between 60-70% to want SINGLE PAYER. Single payer strips out PROFIT from medicine. IT DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH MEDICINE; it simply mediates the funding of the people to the actual providers.
I appreciate some of the positive things from this health care bill, but am wary that it did not address the most highly demanded request of the people. The lawmakers played it to keep their funders in play and ignored what the people really want.
If we went single payer, even most conservatives would come to appreciate the awesome savings as compared to our current system with or without the new legislature.
US = ~$6400/person (but has people denied/screwed)
Canada = ~$3600/person -- all covered, no insurance trickery.
And before you quote the misinformation about Canadian healthcare, I request you talk to a Canadian. I took it upon myself to talk to over 40 Canadians and of the 40, only one had any qualm about healthcare at all. The rest were purely satisfied.
Ask 40 Americans and you'll find many that have been screwed, many upset, and many that don't even have healthcare.
Docotors and Nurses want Single Payer. The people want Single Payer. Even Obama wanted it until he was elected.
Free markets are great. I will always enjoy the concept of the free market on many things that I interact with in life. Healthcare is *not* something that should be in the market for PROFIT. The only money that I want to pay between me and the healthcare is the small cost of administering the funding transfer. Shame on those who would attempt to profit from my unavoidable needs.
What you stated is why they incorporated FINES into the system so that you cannot try to 'work it' for your personal benefit and screw the rest of us.
You do know that if you 'work it', and there was no check on that, that you would just drive the costs higher for those of us who are truly responsible.. right?
What you are talking about is similar to those who simply avoid insurance, but use the obligated E.R. for aid when they find they need help.
... It seems we will voluntarily invoke orwellian lifestyle.
Everyone is screaming "look at me" for attention, but also complains about the government's oversight... HELLO! Did you want attention in public or did you want privacy? Not only are people's locations, relationships, and photographs posted online --- their feelings/emotions, beliefs, and personal problems are too! I'm not knocking it -- this is quite obviously what people are really going to do.
The world is getting far too small for many of our older ideas. Privacy will dissolve whether we like it or not. Privacy is an illusion.
Our lawmakers keep pandering to the big businesses/corporations/oligopolies that paid for their elections; driving the smaller businesses overseas because they can't compete when the laws are being written against them.
Recently in california a law was being promoted (for good reason) that would bar lawmakers from directly receiving SMS from lobbyists while actually voting on laws. Now I never would have assumed the connection to be so direct as this, but at least now I know what We The People are fighting against.
And now Mr. Yes We Can Obama is part of the move to give corps more ability to fund elections.... *rolleyes*. What's new.
So the judge knows the actual barring is baseless, but is doing it to protect these rich banks and their advantages for long enough for them to fix their leaks.
I thought judges were here to uphold laws, not temporally wipe their ass with the 1st amendment in favor of big banks.
I'm having a brain fart at the moment. Anyone care to explain to a noob what kind of implications this could have?
It means the first amendment doesn't matter when rich people want to maintain an advantage.
You know this discussion will degenerate into how this can be applied to growing a longer penis.
Ironically, you were the first...
Its like they do this on purpose...
Yeah, but those 20% ain't making the kind of progress you would expect to keep interacting with them.
I don't care if the elephant has lasers and homing missles strapped to its back... if the elephant keeps farting in the room when its inappropriate, eventually you won't want it in the room.
Its not like google didn't attempt a rational conversation about responsibility and propriety. They did. The chinese said they won't...
Any personal work is already backed by copyright. The government, or anyone else, making copies of that e-mail but not being the intended recipients are violating my rights to this personal work.
HOW ABOUT SOMEONE IN GOVERNMENT STOPS AND THINKS IF THEY WANT THIS SHIT DONE TO THEM.
Hackers should expose government employees and leaders' personal e-mails and collect/track their data and present it online in a searchable manner. I don't think these people are going to care about THE PEOPLE until THE PEOPLE show them that they are people too.
Actually, many people let 'Tom' own it. Then it was all sold to Rupert Turdoch.
Everything is expensive. And it gets more expensive when you want to do it more responsibly.
The issue is not how much it costs, but whether you're willing to pay it instead of afford a third HDTV and a second vacation this year.
The issue is whether we will invest in our future or indulge in today.
The issue is whether we will delay satisfaction for the better outcome or if we will live in the now and do what feels good.
--------
I'm pretty happy and live somewhat simply; the material things in our lives are not what makes us happy. I wish more people in my country were interested in the future and happy with what they've got --- but a quick look around me tells me that by-and-large they keep looking for happiness in consumerism.
You know your culture is selfish when its government is taking out debt on our children and grandchildren to satisfy the people of today. The majority of people who benefit from our created deficits will not be alive when its time to pay it. NOW THATS SELFISH.
2 birds, 1 very expensive stone. It would probably cost a great deal of money to build tunnels, evacuate out almost all the air, and maintain that low atmosphere. Sure, it might save some energy of running the train, but the money and resources needed to do this would greatly outweigh any benefit. We are almost certainly much better off investing in other ways of producing or saving energy.
Really? I know the original idea was not well delivered or *proven*, but your criticism has nothing legitimate to disprove it but is written in a tone that suggests that you are absolutely right.
If you're going to say THIS IS HOW IT IS, I want to see WHY.
Like facts would stop anyone from spouting off.
The hippies are conspiring AGW to get rich!
There actually has to be a market to even talk about the market. For health insurance and telecomms there simply is none.... Too few players all in quiet agreement; and when the product is a NEED instead of a WANT there really is no 'market'.
That is not true. For most my employers I've gone above and beyond simply for the ability to improve the business. Much of the good deeds I've done go unnoticed but that doesn't matter to me.
I would agree many people don't take pride in their work and go above and beyond, but that doesn't mean it is always that way. There are people out there that are passionate about their daily doings and include their work in it.
I think you've put something is out of place. You are saying healthcare is food. Quite different. While I can grow some veggies in my back yard and buy local from people I trust, I can't get an MRI without someone standing in the middle waiting for a dollar that isn't deserved. Very different things here. There really isn't an option to provide your own healthcare.
Healthcare has no market.
When the product is a NEED rather than a WANT, the whole tone of business is changed. Health insurance knows you NEED them, so they really don't give a fuck about you and know your dollars will flow in their direction no matter what you think about them.
People opposed to single-payer are ignorant and/or complete liars; people who think health insurance 'markets' are competitive are simply blind to reality and echoing irrational rhetoric.
I'm reminded of the common wisdom:
"Work smarter, not harder."
Obviously the government just raises taxes and increases funding instead of things getting 'harder' and pressuring their entities to act 'smarter'.
The thing that I get sick of seeing is the constant bickering about our government; and I admit I am just as guilty. Why am I sick of it? Our government is *OURS*. No matter how bad you want to point at corruption, lobbies, the republic, etc, the ultimate culpability for the actions of our government is on us people. If our government is out of hand, its still our fault. If our government is doing things we don't agree with, its still our fault.
When people attach blame, or decide to attack, who are they talking about? They are talking about the United States and all its people. WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR GOVERNMENT AND ITS REPERCUSSIONS.
wow... sadly good point
Anyone else agree or disagree?
Discuss... what kind of punishment should this yield?
You have to consider the personal incentives for managers with budget authority. If you manage a shrinking department, there's no rewards for spending less money. Your prestige and responsibility shrink, and your career path dwindles. For better or for worse, all of the incentives for budget managers are towards bigger and bigger spending allocations.
Yes, I can consider that. And when considering it, and as you have pointed out, the motivation to spend is selfish and not in the interest of the company and is also a perversion of the intent of the concept of use it or lose it.
If you have time will you please reason your claims for me? I would like to know why you feel so confident about the reality of solar that you would say that this new discovery/invention will not surpass the current bests.