I guess my real question was more along the lines of 'why not simply state the facts?" or "why loosely represent a figure that should be known?"
All too often we hear these loosely 'quantized' numbers when the actual fact is clearly known and could have been presented. Then, as quantized number is correlated to another quantized number, and another, etc, an investigative journalist or researcher may find themselves presenting false information that is significantly far off from fact.
The issue being that clarity and precision in reporting facts does not impede on the reception/understanding of the information, whereas lack of clarity and precision can lead to poor understanding and false interpretations.
If we know facts we should present them. In this case it may seem irrelevant to be precise, but in context to how the information may be sourced later, it may end up relevant. And the point being that it isn't any harder at all to be clear and precise, nor does it encumber the recipient of the information.
You don't fire politicians, you hang and eviscerate them. Ask the Italians.
Firing them would require a whole dismantling of systematic corporatism/cronyism along with a wait for them to finish their term in office. And we all know that doesn't work at all.
I'm still way too happy to feel the need to take it that far. I think we all are, which would be a good explanation as to why 'we the people' haven't done anything about the atrocities of government for a century or more. Wouldn't you agree? I don't see a stone in your hand, nor mine.
I honestly thought legislation about weapon controls would blow the 'revolution threshold' for NRA members... apparently they, too, are too happy to have cold dead hands.
Really think about it... how fucked are we? Not that bad... not bad at all, really.
Are you retarded? I hear this frequently; "Hey, there's an FOSS equivilent of that app, it just has half the features, a dogshit interface, and barely works at all because it's still being actively developed in an early beta version". An application that "sort kind of kind of barely" does the same thing isn't the same thing as an application that does the same thing. Give me Visual Studio, give me FL Studio, give me 3DSMax on natively on Linux.
It's about frikkin time! 64 bit hardware for years, 32 bit OS and applications why???
Because you're a tard running Windows.
That sound you hear is the rest of us laughing at you.
some of the applications I prefer run in windows and there is nothing in the FOSS/OS community to compete with it at all... laugh all you want, at least I can get the things I want done to be done.
And, no, emulating/VM of windows in linux doesn't work where I'm getting at, though I hope you would hold that avenue to equal 'laughability' in your scope of assumption.
GTFO my internets. I run ubuntu on my laptop because I don't need to do everything on it.
A series of replies that are coming less than an hour (and down to 13 minutes) is most definitely e-stalking; or maybe you've got nothing better to do with your time. Aren't you supposed to be workin per your fallacious rhetoric?
Ad hominem won't make your argument make any sense. Sorry, bud. It just doesn't make sense to use 'games are for children' as a supporting argument against windows as the major OS for good games on the PC.
I'm gonna go play some video games and have a blast with friends. Enjoy your lemon salad, frownboy. Get to work, hypocrite.
How is stalking me on slashdot any different? You're not doing anything but harassing me for lack of better means of entertainment. And you said that gaming is childish, lol.
Get to work, goon. Walk the walk of the talk you talk. You need to give up on the things you enjoy RIGHT NOW and get back to work. Oh wait, your fascist assumptions to how people ought allot there time do not apply to you.
By the way, my point is amazingly relevant because it relates to this whole lineage of discussion that you've been trying to take part in. The funny and ironic thing being that your counterargument to 'the good PC games are on windows' is that 'gaming is for kids'. Lol. Eat more lemons sourpuss. So caught up in your attempt to berate me you've found yourself without a relevant argument.
Hello, earth to Runway, we're talking about what OS good games are on and the petty attempts of linux-fanatics to defer to subjectivity as sufficient evidence to devalue massive public opinion. Yes, we lightly discussed the value of gaming as entertainment/recreation for people, but only because you've never had a relevant point to start with.
Your life must be pretty boring with all those lemons and pride holding you back.
At the rate this idiocy is going it won't be long until directors of failed corporations get charged with manslaughter or murder....
That won't happen thanks to the duality of corporate personhood: corporations get the rights of the person yet no 'person' exists in the corporation to be held accountable.
It is for lack of personal responsibility/accountability that corporations carry out wrongs with no regret.
Remove personhood or establish responsibility and we'll see some good come out of it. I'd like to see a few CEOs held responsible for the evils they control. In reality, nothing in the US will change unless the people who are really in control of things are taught respect. By that I mean that a revolution against government will change very little, but a revolution against those in real control could change quite a lot. Imagine the impact of dozens of CEO kidnappings and killings. As violent as it may be, the change people seek will probably not be found by other means.
Right... because all the lawyers in office (most popular profession of politicians), making laws, and doing nothing about the litigious bullshit that makes America look like an episode of Maury/Springer, and taking money from large lawyer-infested lobbies, using exploits of law to harass good people....
wait a minute what the hell am I talking about? lawyers or politicians? both?! ah shit... I just can't tell them apart anymore.
It's ok, though. I don't blame the oversupply of lawyers for the ugliness of their function; I blame the parents of the kids that became lawyers who told them to do so for lack of a better vision for their children. It seems the american dream has become GREED. Law pays, whether you do it right or you exploit it. We need a better common vision; something beyond self interest.
Oh, and back to my main point: with respect to massive public opinion as evidence, the best PC games are generally only for windows.
I'm sure i can google up a million links to support this. It's so funny to watch the linux fanatics scrape and scramble for validity in arguments where there really is none (such as this one). Go ahead, point to the improbable, defer to the 'subjective', or in this last case 'belittle the topic alltogether'. In the end I'm right and there is nothing you can do about it. The sky is blue and good PC games are on windows. Period.
That's a pretty far stretching and unfounded postulation you've made there. Gaming is a part of recreation and entertainment; something that is essential in human life at all stages. The liberal arts are here to expand our lives and give us purpose beyond survival.
And, contrary to your false generalization, there are loads of people like me that are approaching 30, have been gaming since the 80s, and still do so in place of other entertainment such as TV and/or sports events. And believe it or not, we have our own homes, meet and mate with women, and raise families. Video games were for children when children were the only people interested; but many of us have grown up now and we still like them for entertaining diversion.
It's too bad you assume facts from '...a number of people...' that do not share the same enthusiasm for recreation that most adults do. I would call them sour lemons, but for some reason the sterile halls and walls of arrogance is beholden to some (you). Am I not adult for the fun that I have? Learning to enjoy life to its fullest is also a feature of maturity; get with it.
I guess I should have said 'good games relative to widespread public opinion' as a precursor and then we wouldn't even be having this nonsense conversation.
And with that condition, then you outliers can stop pretending that 'good games' is a matter of opinion (with the implicit statement that your one outlier lemon opinion somehow trumps millions of the contrary)
>Yeh but good PC games really only work well in windows
The existence of "good PC games" is a matter of opinion.
So is everything. Hell, everything in existence is in place due to probabilities. Each subparticle of your hand could potentially be 1000 miles away, or across the universe for that matter (wave)...
but the reality is that the greatest probabilities place the things that make the universe the way they be where they are.
And I relate that to the fact that you're trying to destroy massive public opinion statistics (the high probability of a game being good if huge numbers of people's opinions say so), with a bullshit deference to the variability of opinion.
So I'll just sum this up: SHUT THE FUCK UP. Millions of opinions >>> yours. Everything is subjective, that doesn't mean you have a real argument. STFU.
Oh no you didn't. You didn't just say that people should actually pay for things they want on slashdot, did you?
That is absurd and you will be modded appropriately. ------
You want to know what I always wonder? There are probably thousands of people on slashdot that use linux/FOSS, but work for companies coding software for windows only. I always wonder why the workplace turns these big proponents into cowards and they never do anything to make real changes happen that they could *actually* be a part of.
But lets be honest here... the linux pride really only kicks in when we're not afraid to talk.
Yeh but good PC games really only work well in windows; not that I want it that way, but its reality. (I run linux, guys. Please don't tell me about the poor-ass shabby junkjob programs that resemble games on linux.. i've tried them and they generally suck).
I'm very glad to see the console market consuming gaming; it will have a noticeable impact on the number of MS OS installs in the future for sure.
Apple denied it, though. That's my point here. Somebody is frikkin lying about matters of privacy and there will be no legal recourse; that's the problem here.
Of course they are going to downplay it and diss it. It is FREE COMPETITION. That is something you definitely don't want becoming popular. Not if you're Symantec.
Don't let this obvious bias junkola skew your perception. Hell, its free. i'm gonna try it out probably and if it works it works, if not, I'll just uninstall like any other things I don't wan on my OS.
if the company states that Apple gives them the information, and that turns out to be untrue... can we get a hearing for deliberate deception or fraud here?
How about a moment of honesty here.
Let me guess, supreme court rulings support the ability of businesses to deceive people.
No way man. (bart quote, lol). Blue collar workers cannot afford 1500+ sqft homes unless they are renting. Not anymore, at least.
We used to be able to refine our work in trades or education and own a nice family home --- yet more and more we find the middle class renting and the wealthy-class as landlords.
I'd make a modest proposal, but the situation (wealth disparity) is not quite dire yet.
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And how would they do that? The TV uses a format that was stillborn. No video source exists.
Then I guess it's not a high definition TV, is it? It's a useless device. Wow.
Let me go grab a tin can and jam a light bulb in it, call it an HDTV and never have the ability to prove it. ... i'm gonna move on. laters.
They never show it in use or any actual video being displayed on it.
Buffoons! For all I know (being the internet) its just an old TV! SHOW ME THE MONEY!
I'm gonna go play uncharted 2...
I guess my real question was more along the lines of 'why not simply state the facts?" or "why loosely represent a figure that should be known?"
All too often we hear these loosely 'quantized' numbers when the actual fact is clearly known and could have been presented. Then, as quantized number is correlated to another quantized number, and another, etc, an investigative journalist or researcher may find themselves presenting false information that is significantly far off from fact.
The issue being that clarity and precision in reporting facts does not impede on the reception/understanding of the information, whereas lack of clarity and precision can lead to poor understanding and false interpretations.
If we know facts we should present them. In this case it may seem irrelevant to be precise, but in context to how the information may be sourced later, it may end up relevant. And the point being that it isn't any harder at all to be clear and precise, nor does it encumber the recipient of the information.
... a big public statement from the FCC saying that this kind of action is not to be upheld?
I hope EFF knows what to do here.
So... which is it? 12.. or 13? Thats a million person difference. Why the hell is this number not solidly reported?
You don't fire politicians, you hang and eviscerate them. Ask the Italians.
Firing them would require a whole dismantling of systematic corporatism/cronyism along with a wait for them to finish their term in office. And we all know that doesn't work at all.
I'm still way too happy to feel the need to take it that far. I think we all are, which would be a good explanation as to why 'we the people' haven't done anything about the atrocities of government for a century or more. Wouldn't you agree? I don't see a stone in your hand, nor mine.
I honestly thought legislation about weapon controls would blow the 'revolution threshold' for NRA members... apparently they, too, are too happy to have cold dead hands.
Really think about it... how fucked are we? Not that bad... not bad at all, really.
Are you retarded? I hear this frequently; "Hey, there's an FOSS equivilent of that app, it just has half the features, a dogshit interface, and barely works at all because it's still being actively developed in an early beta version". An application that "sort kind of kind of barely" does the same thing isn't the same thing as an application that does the same thing. Give me Visual Studio, give me FL Studio, give me 3DSMax on natively on Linux.
thank you for echoing my thoughts exactly.
Its called the Yamaha Steinberg Driver.
It works in windows, not linux. Cubase 5 and Kontakt 3 also.
Like I said, get off me. Quit trying to FOSS hump me. You guys are like vultures man. I use ubuntu daily on my laptop. Will you leave me alone now?
oh.. .and ya know what? there are loads of issues with running 64 bit linux.
get off my nutts. yeah, you can browse the internet and run a calculator... whooptie doo. Even flash has issues running in 64bit linux.
Because you're a tard running Windows.
That sound you hear is the rest of us laughing at you.
some of the applications I prefer run in windows and there is nothing in the FOSS/OS community to compete with it at all... laugh all you want, at least I can get the things I want done to be done.
And, no, emulating/VM of windows in linux doesn't work where I'm getting at, though I hope you would hold that avenue to equal 'laughability' in your scope of assumption.
GTFO my internets. I run ubuntu on my laptop because I don't need to do everything on it.
This will be another nail in the 32bit coffin.
It's about frikkin time! 64 bit hardware for years, 32 bit OS and applications why???
A series of replies that are coming less than an hour (and down to 13 minutes) is most definitely e-stalking; or maybe you've got nothing better to do with your time. Aren't you supposed to be workin per your fallacious rhetoric?
Ad hominem won't make your argument make any sense. Sorry, bud. It just doesn't make sense to use 'games are for children' as a supporting argument against windows as the major OS for good games on the PC.
I'm gonna go play some video games and have a blast with friends. Enjoy your lemon salad, frownboy. Get to work, hypocrite.
How is stalking me on slashdot any different? You're not doing anything but harassing me for lack of better means of entertainment. And you said that gaming is childish, lol.
Get to work, goon. Walk the walk of the talk you talk. You need to give up on the things you enjoy RIGHT NOW and get back to work. Oh wait, your fascist assumptions to how people ought allot there time do not apply to you.
By the way, my point is amazingly relevant because it relates to this whole lineage of discussion that you've been trying to take part in. The funny and ironic thing being that your counterargument to 'the good PC games are on windows' is that 'gaming is for kids'. Lol. Eat more lemons sourpuss. So caught up in your attempt to berate me you've found yourself without a relevant argument.
Hello, earth to Runway, we're talking about what OS good games are on and the petty attempts of linux-fanatics to defer to subjectivity as sufficient evidence to devalue massive public opinion. Yes, we lightly discussed the value of gaming as entertainment/recreation for people, but only because you've never had a relevant point to start with.
Your life must be pretty boring with all those lemons and pride holding you back.
At the rate this idiocy is going it won't be long until directors of failed corporations get charged with manslaughter or murder....
That won't happen thanks to the duality of corporate personhood: corporations get the rights of the person yet no 'person' exists in the corporation to be held accountable.
It is for lack of personal responsibility/accountability that corporations carry out wrongs with no regret.
Remove personhood or establish responsibility and we'll see some good come out of it. I'd like to see a few CEOs held responsible for the evils they control. In reality, nothing in the US will change unless the people who are really in control of things are taught respect. By that I mean that a revolution against government will change very little, but a revolution against those in real control could change quite a lot. Imagine the impact of dozens of CEO kidnappings and killings. As violent as it may be, the change people seek will probably not be found by other means.
Right... because all the lawyers in office (most popular profession of politicians), making laws, and doing nothing about the litigious bullshit that makes America look like an episode of Maury/Springer, and taking money from large lawyer-infested lobbies, using exploits of law to harass good people....
wait a minute what the hell am I talking about? lawyers or politicians? both?! ah shit... I just can't tell them apart anymore.
It's ok, though. I don't blame the oversupply of lawyers for the ugliness of their function; I blame the parents of the kids that became lawyers who told them to do so for lack of a better vision for their children. It seems the american dream has become GREED. Law pays, whether you do it right or you exploit it. We need a better common vision; something beyond self interest.
Oh, and back to my main point: with respect to massive public opinion as evidence, the best PC games are generally only for windows.
I'm sure i can google up a million links to support this. It's so funny to watch the linux fanatics scrape and scramble for validity in arguments where there really is none (such as this one). Go ahead, point to the improbable, defer to the 'subjective', or in this last case 'belittle the topic alltogether'. In the end I'm right and there is nothing you can do about it. The sky is blue and good PC games are on windows. Period.
That's a pretty far stretching and unfounded postulation you've made there. Gaming is a part of recreation and entertainment; something that is essential in human life at all stages. The liberal arts are here to expand our lives and give us purpose beyond survival.
And, contrary to your false generalization, there are loads of people like me that are approaching 30, have been gaming since the 80s, and still do so in place of other entertainment such as TV and/or sports events. And believe it or not, we have our own homes, meet and mate with women, and raise families. Video games were for children when children were the only people interested; but many of us have grown up now and we still like them for entertaining diversion.
It's too bad you assume facts from '...a number of people...' that do not share the same enthusiasm for recreation that most adults do. I would call them sour lemons, but for some reason the sterile halls and walls of arrogance is beholden to some (you). Am I not adult for the fun that I have? Learning to enjoy life to its fullest is also a feature of maturity; get with it.
I guess I should have said 'good games relative to widespread public opinion' as a precursor and then we wouldn't even be having this nonsense conversation.
And with that condition, then you outliers can stop pretending that 'good games' is a matter of opinion (with the implicit statement that your one outlier lemon opinion somehow trumps millions of the contrary)
You guys argue like children.
>Yeh but good PC games really only work well in windows
The existence of "good PC games" is a matter of opinion.
So is everything. Hell, everything in existence is in place due to probabilities. Each subparticle of your hand could potentially be 1000 miles away, or across the universe for that matter (wave)...
but the reality is that the greatest probabilities place the things that make the universe the way they be where they are.
And I relate that to the fact that you're trying to destroy massive public opinion statistics (the high probability of a game being good if huge numbers of people's opinions say so), with a bullshit deference to the variability of opinion.
So I'll just sum this up: SHUT THE FUCK UP. Millions of opinions >>> yours. Everything is subjective, that doesn't mean you have a real argument. STFU.
Oh no you didn't. You didn't just say that people should actually pay for things they want on slashdot, did you?
That is absurd and you will be modded appropriately.
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You want to know what I always wonder? There are probably thousands of people on slashdot that use linux/FOSS, but work for companies coding software for windows only. I always wonder why the workplace turns these big proponents into cowards and they never do anything to make real changes happen that they could *actually* be a part of.
But lets be honest here... the linux pride really only kicks in when we're not afraid to talk.
Yeh but good PC games really only work well in windows; not that I want it that way, but its reality. (I run linux, guys. Please don't tell me about the poor-ass shabby junkjob programs that resemble games on linux.. i've tried them and they generally suck).
I'm very glad to see the console market consuming gaming; it will have a noticeable impact on the number of MS OS installs in the future for sure.
Apple denied it, though. That's my point here. Somebody is frikkin lying about matters of privacy and there will be no legal recourse; that's the problem here.
Of course they are going to downplay it and diss it. It is FREE COMPETITION. That is something you definitely don't want becoming popular. Not if you're Symantec.
Don't let this obvious bias junkola skew your perception. Hell, its free. i'm gonna try it out probably and if it works it works, if not, I'll just uninstall like any other things I don't wan on my OS.
if the company states that Apple gives them the information, and that turns out to be untrue... can we get a hearing for deliberate deception or fraud here?
How about a moment of honesty here.
Let me guess, supreme court rulings support the ability of businesses to deceive people.
ugh... we need a revolution.
No way man. (bart quote, lol). Blue collar workers cannot afford 1500+ sqft homes unless they are renting. Not anymore, at least.
We used to be able to refine our work in trades or education and own a nice family home --- yet more and more we find the middle class renting and the wealthy-class as landlords.
I'd make a modest proposal, but the situation (wealth disparity) is not quite dire yet.