You have to be an idiot to think that what I meant was to completely give up all of the things we use day to day --- blindly --- and not coming up with feasible functioning alternatives.
No, I did not mean going completely that way, living off acorn-meal and game animals.
I know you already know this, and because you purposefully misrepresented my concept as a means of trying to 'deface' the argument, I'll just assume you're not worth my time. Bye, jerk. If you want to have a real discussion about things like normal people without deliberate distortions and b.s., maybe try again next time.
If i can't ask them to do right by me, what am I paying my government for?
You and I both know that big industry has their hands so far up our politicians' asses that we will never see an effort against blatant collusion. Let me guess, you don't see it...:rolleyes:
yes.. keep pretending capitalism remains ideal all the time... (sarcasm).. i'm sure your ideals and your imaginary impression of their function keep you happy ---- but then there's that big reality thing going on...
If you don't like socialism, shut down medicare, quit driving on public roads, and please never call the fire department or the police, and also please go move out of the country that our military serves to protect.
But what if none of those multiple providers actually compete (as we see in most industries in the US)? What if none are still around to provide what we/you/me currently take for granted (meaning nearly everything)?
If you can get the diamond, oil, and food industries to actually compete I'd maybe start to think I can trust 'free market' idealism.
I would rather live like native americans did than to forgo the health of the environment my life (and yours), and my childrens lives depend on.
In asking us to 'trust you', I'd really like to see how well credentialed you are to tell us all that the planet will be completely fine. I doubt you carry anything substantial because those of us who are educated in biological sciences see the obvious glaring importance of this argument.
It is stupid and impossible to think that we can keep fucking our environment harder and harder and expect everything to stay completely fine.
Ironically, you trust the products of the scientific method thousands of times per day as you take pills, drive cars, use technology... But its inconvenient on this one, huh?
Evolution is backed by loads of observable and reproducible evidence. The contrary arguments are not.
Fyi.
If you don't believe the evidence and want to contend that it is 'still debated today' (aka ignorami argue with informed people) -- go get an education and see it all for yourself. Please don't be lazy and echo falsehoods simply because you don't know enough and won't trust those who do. Those who do have a habit of integrity in that they review each other and ensure that anyone can achieve/produce the same results....lol... still debated... lol.
Its still under debate as to whether you owe me 10 million dollars, too....
What they are _trying_ to do is to make sure that we don't fuck over future generations even harder than we already have with our deficit spending.
Future generations will already be growing up with rapid environmental changes and thus unpredictable ecosystem changes.
If you don't believe the facts/evidence, you should get the education necessary to reproduce the experiments and believe it for yourself. Thats the great thing about science -- you can do it for yourself if you're a doubter. (I bet you'll be lazy and keep promoting 'doubt' to preserve profit, instead).
In a nutshell -- the fishbowl we live in is more important than the profits lost by the companies in it.
This man has blind (said 'ignorant') faith in corporatism/capitalism. I hope he understands what you've said, but I don't think he will. Knowledge and facts are for open ears...
Interesting. I can give you an example where my argument finds a parallel that you (unless completely insane) might understand.
In this country the majority of our roads are public. I do not forsee our local, state, and federal governments allowing corporate interests to purchase and control every one of these roads. But if they did, I'm sure you would be quite apalled to see how private/capitalist influences affect your life.
I see net neutrality as a prevention of corporate interests limiting your abilities and access while (and as we see in most oligopolies) forming unwritten agreements amongst 'competitors' in such a way that they operate quite the same and never truly compete. Oil companies don't compete. Telecoms don't compete. Sure, it looks like a free market, but in reality they're all looking at each other and grinning. You have to be a complete idiot not to see that.
And while the majority of major media outlets are largely owned by corporate interests, and their messages spewing the biases they want you to believe -- the internet serves to be the only place where a true variety of content and information can be accessed. I truly fear the day that the information I can access is limited to the business contracts my ISP has, and I have no other choices because all of my ISPs act just like every other player in oligopoly-run systems.
I completely recommend the book "Snow Crash" to you. It is a great book, and the theme of the book is the epitome of capitalism/free-market where large corporations actually own what we currently think of as neighborhoods and counties, jails are franchise businesses, etc etc... it truly paints an interesting and yet scary picture as to what pure capitalism does for people.
Remember, capitalism is an 'ism' for money. That means your focus is on money. When you put money over people, you've disrespected those people. Call it what you like, but I think selfishness and lack of respect are the presently greatest flaws of human cultures. When you've matured past the simple-minded capitalist views and ignorant faith for corporatism, maybe you'll realize how petty it is when your ferrari doesn't follow you to the grave.... maybe 5 starving children could have had healthier meals growing up.... bagh.. fuckem, right? The shitty thing is, the people who care about communities care about you despite how little you care about your community. And that can only be described as compassion-parasitism.
Think about what truly matters, and if it has anything to do with money--- your mind is sick.
What is the point of this confession or whatever it seems to be? Do you want my attention? Do you want me to agree with you? I don't... I've been typing and using the interwebz for about 14 years now with plenty of IRC, 1337 speak, and degenerate behavior --- and in all that I have maintained my cognitive capacity to recognize the difference between the variants and the proper.
I think your problem (if you feel there is any, such as an employer wondering why you write like a 12 year old), probably stems from the lack of regard for your variance as 'variance', and embracing that way too often, if not completely, as a way of life.
In excess, nearly anything can be problematic. Maintain a balance between work and play; in this case having a deliberate regard for maintaining both your interwebz-bs-style and your proper-for-work-and-standards style.
What I mean is... you need to actually give a shit about what you're doing. Degenerate yourself for fun, but not for habit.
I agree. It appears to be akin to the recent town hall meetings about healthcare where there are groups of people standing up and denouncing social health care --- which turns out to be plotted and funded by big med insurance companies (reported on slashdot a couple weeks ago). And with 60-70% of the population in the US consistently desiring single-payer in polls.
I use ubuntu, and fyi most the computers I've installed it on require some level of research on ubuntuforums.org to figure out all the tweaks and workarounds that are necessary for my parts to work.
It has worked perfectly on one computer so far. Now that I'm thinking about it, the 20% that the parent was talking about is pretty much spot on for the experience I've had. Of course I've gotten most of them working, but had I not done all the forum research and terminal commands, the computers would have been less-able or basically junked for inop.
From the blog "... cable set-top box will know whether three people are sitting on the sofa watching TV and how many are adults vs. children..."
I doubt it will distinguish a midget from a child, but the blog (I assume foolishly) assumes so... or maybe it was the article (I didn't RTFA, i'm slashdot fo life mofo)
I"m surprised that the truth you've spoken is tagged 'flamebait' at this moment.
I'm guessing slashdot readers in the middle class are not immune to aristocratic influence...
I mean... hell... we've politicized science in the US! people actually think global warming is a conspiracy among science! thats how easily manipulated people are here... what the fuck!
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You have to be an idiot to think that what I meant was to completely give up all of the things we use day to day --- blindly --- and not coming up with feasible functioning alternatives.
No, I did not mean going completely that way, living off acorn-meal and game animals.
I know you already know this, and because you purposefully misrepresented my concept as a means of trying to 'deface' the argument, I'll just assume you're not worth my time. Bye, jerk. If you want to have a real discussion about things like normal people without deliberate distortions and b.s., maybe try again next time.
By now, the internet, as gasoline, has become essential to regular function in todays society.
If i can't ask them to do right by me, what am I paying my government for?
You and I both know that big industry has their hands so far up our politicians' asses that we will never see an effort against blatant collusion. Let me guess, you don't see it... :rolleyes:
yes.. keep pretending capitalism remains ideal all the time... (sarcasm).. i'm sure your ideals and your imaginary impression of their function keep you happy ---- but then there's that big reality thing going on...
You completely ignored my point about oligopolies not competing, huh?
I haven't seen Shell and Exxon and Texaco competing at all...
Flamebait. Ignorant, stupid, flamebait.
Enough said.
If you don't like socialism, shut down medicare, quit driving on public roads, and please never call the fire department or the police, and also please go move out of the country that our military serves to protect.
But what if none of those multiple providers actually compete (as we see in most industries in the US)? What if none are still around to provide what we/you/me currently take for granted (meaning nearly everything)?
If you can get the diamond, oil, and food industries to actually compete I'd maybe start to think I can trust 'free market' idealism.
I think it is quite obvious that what I said is true. There is a difference between disagreement and one person being blatantly ignorant.
I would rather live like native americans did than to forgo the health of the environment my life (and yours), and my childrens lives depend on.
In asking us to 'trust you', I'd really like to see how well credentialed you are to tell us all that the planet will be completely fine. I doubt you carry anything substantial because those of us who are educated in biological sciences see the obvious glaring importance of this argument.
It is stupid and impossible to think that we can keep fucking our environment harder and harder and expect everything to stay completely fine.
Ironically, you trust the products of the scientific method thousands of times per day as you take pills, drive cars, use technology... But its inconvenient on this one, huh?
Evolution is backed by loads of observable and reproducible evidence. The contrary arguments are not.
Fyi.
If you don't believe the evidence and want to contend that it is 'still debated today' (aka ignorami argue with informed people) -- go get an education and see it all for yourself. Please don't be lazy and echo falsehoods simply because you don't know enough and won't trust those who do. Those who do have a habit of integrity in that they review each other and ensure that anyone can achieve/produce the same results. ...lol... still debated... lol.
Its still under debate as to whether you owe me 10 million dollars, too....
What they are _trying_ to do is to make sure that we don't fuck over future generations even harder than we already have with our deficit spending.
Future generations will already be growing up with rapid environmental changes and thus unpredictable ecosystem changes.
If you don't believe the facts/evidence, you should get the education necessary to reproduce the experiments and believe it for yourself. Thats the great thing about science -- you can do it for yourself if you're a doubter. (I bet you'll be lazy and keep promoting 'doubt' to preserve profit, instead).
In a nutshell -- the fishbowl we live in is more important than the profits lost by the companies in it.
When in doubt, lie, cheat, and steal. Strong ethics and morales will get you nowhere in this world kids.
This world is focused on capitalism. Lying, cheating, and stealing are definitely a byproduct of putting money over community and people as a whole.
Yes.. they work. I see it every day when I turn on cspan.
This man has blind (said 'ignorant') faith in corporatism/capitalism. I hope he understands what you've said, but I don't think he will. Knowledge and facts are for open ears...
Interesting. I can give you an example where my argument finds a parallel that you (unless completely insane) might understand.
In this country the majority of our roads are public. I do not forsee our local, state, and federal governments allowing corporate interests to purchase and control every one of these roads. But if they did, I'm sure you would be quite apalled to see how private/capitalist influences affect your life.
I see net neutrality as a prevention of corporate interests limiting your abilities and access while (and as we see in most oligopolies) forming unwritten agreements amongst 'competitors' in such a way that they operate quite the same and never truly compete. Oil companies don't compete. Telecoms don't compete. Sure, it looks like a free market, but in reality they're all looking at each other and grinning. You have to be a complete idiot not to see that.
And while the majority of major media outlets are largely owned by corporate interests, and their messages spewing the biases they want you to believe -- the internet serves to be the only place where a true variety of content and information can be accessed. I truly fear the day that the information I can access is limited to the business contracts my ISP has, and I have no other choices because all of my ISPs act just like every other player in oligopoly-run systems.
I completely recommend the book "Snow Crash" to you. It is a great book, and the theme of the book is the epitome of capitalism/free-market where large corporations actually own what we currently think of as neighborhoods and counties, jails are franchise businesses, etc etc... it truly paints an interesting and yet scary picture as to what pure capitalism does for people.
Remember, capitalism is an 'ism' for money. That means your focus is on money. When you put money over people, you've disrespected those people. Call it what you like, but I think selfishness and lack of respect are the presently greatest flaws of human cultures. When you've matured past the simple-minded capitalist views and ignorant faith for corporatism, maybe you'll realize how petty it is when your ferrari doesn't follow you to the grave .... maybe 5 starving children could have had healthier meals growing up.... bagh.. fuckem, right? The shitty thing is, the people who care about communities care about you despite how little you care about your community. And that can only be described as compassion-parasitism.
Think about what truly matters, and if it has anything to do with money--- your mind is sick.
I did not see this one coming....
Me either, but I got a big one right now! :D Yay for people>$$$.
The world is always a better place when money is less important than people and freedom.
Sure. Lets throw way more money at it and hope it works.
Great idea.
Meanwhile, criminals are reading your post and laughing their asses off. Like they give a shit about HD...
What is the point of this confession or whatever it seems to be? Do you want my attention? Do you want me to agree with you? I don't... I've been typing and using the interwebz for about 14 years now with plenty of IRC, 1337 speak, and degenerate behavior --- and in all that I have maintained my cognitive capacity to recognize the difference between the variants and the proper.
I think your problem (if you feel there is any, such as an employer wondering why you write like a 12 year old), probably stems from the lack of regard for your variance as 'variance', and embracing that way too often, if not completely, as a way of life.
In excess, nearly anything can be problematic. Maintain a balance between work and play; in this case having a deliberate regard for maintaining both your interwebz-bs-style and your proper-for-work-and-standards style.
What I mean is... you need to actually give a shit about what you're doing. Degenerate yourself for fun, but not for habit.
thanks for the elaboration.
I agree. It appears to be akin to the recent town hall meetings about healthcare where there are groups of people standing up and denouncing social health care --- which turns out to be plotted and funded by big med insurance companies (reported on slashdot a couple weeks ago). And with 60-70% of the population in the US consistently desiring single-payer in polls.
The townhall meetings are not representative.
You mom hit the jackpot, that's what that means.
I use ubuntu, and fyi most the computers I've installed it on require some level of research on ubuntuforums.org to figure out all the tweaks and workarounds that are necessary for my parts to work.
It has worked perfectly on one computer so far. Now that I'm thinking about it, the 20% that the parent was talking about is pretty much spot on for the experience I've had. Of course I've gotten most of them working, but had I not done all the forum research and terminal commands, the computers would have been less-able or basically junked for inop.
Yes, that is an easy way to be an evil person (and likely not even know it).
Was there a point to your example?
All they have to be is a child molester, too, but that's hardly a reason to post about it.
If it was really a worry, why outsource it in the first place?
This is much like I was thinking.... if you hired him, you should trust him. If you don't trust him, hire someone you think you can trust.
Problem solved.
From the blog "... cable set-top box will know whether three people are sitting on the sofa watching TV and how many are adults vs. children..."
I doubt it will distinguish a midget from a child, but the blog (I assume foolishly) assumes so... or maybe it was the article (I didn't RTFA, i'm slashdot fo life mofo)
all 3 steps to your question have substantial evidence from experimental data...
its all been published in peer reviewed journals.
check it out.
I"m surprised that the truth you've spoken is tagged 'flamebait' at this moment.
I'm guessing slashdot readers in the middle class are not immune to aristocratic influence...
I mean... hell... we've politicized science in the US! people actually think global warming is a conspiracy among science! thats how easily manipulated people are here... what the fuck!