"But I thought the gassing of civilians was just lies and propaganda to build a case for war? " You thought wrong, as you've done throughout this exchange bc you're too anxious to attack the messenger rather than consider the actual points being made. In this case the propaganda factor in the refrain of "Saddam gassing his own people" is deceptive in that they weren't "his people", they were Kurds within colonially drawn boundaries amidst a war, enemies of Iraq to this day. and further, the gas was supplied by the _USA_ for exactly that usage. Gassing people is very horrible indeed, but coming from the mouths of US officials, responsible for millions of innocents caught up in the US slaughter machine, it is clearly _propaganda_.
wait a minute, you cannot give a shit if human beings are gassed, but you're in a lather over some random voice on the internets pointing out that you are reciting chapter and verse from the US State Dept story of Iraq...i call bullshit! i say that you care about those fucking millions of souls we destroyed for no fucking good reason and you're pissed at me for the dissonance i've caused you. you're welcome.
Yeah, I've heard the propaganda since day one, it sounds so much like the US was just doing the right thing until you discover the rest of the story. I thought you were going to leave out the "gassing his own people" canard, good show! have two cookies.
and the continuing bombing runs into Iraq, not part of the context? If the terms of the agreement were that Iraq would agree to massive starvation and ongoing destruction in perpetuity, then such an agreement is null and void. You are telling a one-sided story of a conquest of a country, there was nothing legal, moral or just at any point, Iraq was setup like a bowling pin.
It is specious to focus on that particular parry in a vacuum...unless you are trying to maintain a worldview that the dismantling of Iraq was Just, Legal and Humane...(rather than a cold-blooded strategic move to reshape the Middle East in terms more favorable to certain needs of the Empire and their most cherished friends.) Which btw, will go down in history as one of the great crimes of all time and the beginning of the end of that Empire.
"how do we know that the public report of the commission is really the complete report? Were there parts kept under wraps, that could have embarrassed certain people in powerful positions? That there was more to blame for the attacks?"
seriously? the commission was a joke by any basic standards of investigation, AND major parts of the crippled investigation won't be released. Embarassment? it's not so much the embarrassment as it is the capital crimes and treasonous conspiracy that will never be opened to the public. Most of the premises of your post refer to stories about terrorists both prior and post 9/11, with zero basis in anything provable and much to cast doubt on it (like referring to "Al Qaeda" as an organized group). Basically the entire jihadi terrorist fable is a story to sell the wars and military/security expenditures and has done nothing more than make fabulous money for some, help Israel's expansionist agenda, create enemies in every strata of society worldwide...and very likely is the beginning of the end of the USA as the dominant world power.
OBL specifically denied involvement in 9/11, more than once. You're thinking of the fake OBL video that had him claiming involvement. and furthermore, 9/11 was never investigated in any meaningful way and the sham investigation hasnt even been released, so you can pretty much assume that every fact about 9/11 they have decided to tell you is pure bullshit, like every other thing they tell you. Pray for more wikileaks if you'd like to know the facts about what the corrupt douches are doing with your tax money.
"A clear cut situation like this should not have required 30 minutes let alone 30 days to condemn"
bwahahahaha. Your clarity is the clarity of the child. The other countries all knew it was a setup, a flimsy pretext for taking down Iraq, and they of course wanted no part of it until the price was right.
He is rooting for an anthrax attack to prove his point, so no, he won't be coming around to join the humans anytime soon. most personality disorders are not 'fixable'.
You started out with just another throwaway simplistic political analysis, but then jumped into something quite humorous with notions of the "Western leftist planned and funded Arab Spring anti-Israel worldwide chaos conspiracy theory".
"This move by Palestinian Authority it won't make any friends in Israel" this is a familiar formula in situations of oppressor vs. oppressed, it was a major stumbling block for the blacks in america, hoping that if you were "extra nice" they would stop oppressing you and/or, if you aren't extra nice, they will oppress you worse. Bicyclists of today are in the same boat as you hear car drivers openly threatening death and dismemberment for crimes of impoliteness..."not staying in their place" (off of "their" roadway). Fairness and equal rights are anathema to those enjoying domination and control. it's foolish to play that game, you must fight for your rights.
You haven't seen this much BS on one thread, so you decided to see if you could top it in one POST:) every single point in your post is raving bullshit...the claims to the land, the charter of Hamas, the 'rape'...everything! it's like you copied and pasted from some thread on Ha'aretz. to troll properly on slashdot you need to retain some amount of debatability mixed with a more measured delivery.
You like to pose in the lofty chair of an impartial judge, but your corruption is clear. The irony of condemning boycott on the grounds of it being collective punishment is simply a moral dilemma, not unlike the dilemma of whether to kill the madman who is unloading his automatic weapon at the mall. ie. killing a person to stop them from killing people. The sad thing is that this analogy also points out that boycott is much too tame a measure for the mad dog that calls itself "Israel".
Whether they avoid the grandstanding or not, obviously they're choosing which side of history to be on but more likely attempting to avoid as much of the noise and blackballing from the colonialist gangsters as possible than your explanation for everything; "they're just ignorant". and it also allows some space for those Jewish fans out there who don't necessarily want to talk about the horror.
and appearing in Israel IS a political statement at this point. Boycott is the best weapon civil society has to help end this tragic situation. any interaction with Israel as a normal state is an act of support.
Nice racist troll anonymous. Plying the old Jewish notion that Palestinians are actually sub-human which helps to excuse the ongoing campaign of oppression to the world, (and to themselves).
The real difficulty is that the Palestinians are prevented from fashioning a functioning economy by their oppressors.
it's ironic how _every_ non-official narrative is automatically labelled a "conspiracy theory" when the official narrative, especially in matters of war is, as a rule, a conspiracy. anyway, it's been many years, but there's enough stuff, plenty of motive and means, that it is hard to deny. I mean, do you really think the USA would run a 15 year campaign, full of arbitrary destruction and malice, to "save" a bunch of brown-skinned people from their own CIA asset? (an asset who actually started working FOR his own people, setting very bad 'socialist' examples in the region). try google.com, "kuwait slant drilling" or maybe "kuwait iraq setup" or similar.
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The name is not the thing named, but respect is still worthwhile.
"But I thought the gassing of civilians was just lies and propaganda to build a case for war? "
You thought wrong, as you've done throughout this exchange bc you're too anxious to attack the messenger rather than consider the actual points being made. In this case the propaganda factor in the refrain of "Saddam gassing his own people" is deceptive in that they weren't "his people", they were Kurds within colonially drawn boundaries amidst a war, enemies of Iraq to this day. and further, the gas was supplied by the _USA_ for exactly that usage.
Gassing people is very horrible indeed, but coming from the mouths of US officials, responsible for millions of innocents caught up in the US slaughter machine, it is clearly _propaganda_.
wait a minute, you cannot give a shit if human beings are gassed, but you're in a lather over some random voice on the internets pointing out that you are reciting chapter and verse from the US State Dept story of Iraq...i call bullshit! i say that you care about those fucking millions of souls we destroyed for no fucking good reason and you're pissed at me for the dissonance i've caused you.
you're welcome.
Yeah, I've heard the propaganda since day one, it sounds so much like the US was just doing the right thing until you discover the rest of the story. I thought you were going to leave out the "gassing his own people" canard, good show! have two cookies.
and the continuing bombing runs into Iraq, not part of the context? If the terms of the agreement were that Iraq would agree to massive starvation and ongoing destruction in perpetuity, then such an agreement is null and void. You are telling a one-sided story of a conquest of a country, there was nothing legal, moral or just at any point, Iraq was setup like a bowling pin.
It is specious to focus on that particular parry in a vacuum...unless you are trying to maintain a worldview that the dismantling of Iraq was Just, Legal and Humane...(rather than a cold-blooded strategic move to reshape the Middle East in terms more favorable to certain needs of the Empire and their most cherished friends.) Which btw, will go down in history as one of the great crimes of all time and the beginning of the end of that Empire.
"how do we know that the public report of the commission is really the complete report? Were there parts kept under wraps, that could have embarrassed certain people in powerful positions? That there was more to blame for the attacks?"
seriously? the commission was a joke by any basic standards of investigation, AND major parts of the crippled investigation won't be released. Embarassment? it's not so much the embarrassment as it is the capital crimes and treasonous conspiracy that will never be opened to the public. Most of the premises of your post refer to stories about terrorists both prior and post 9/11, with zero basis in anything provable and much to cast doubt on it (like referring to "Al Qaeda" as an organized group). Basically the entire jihadi terrorist fable is a story to sell the wars and military/security expenditures and has done nothing more than make fabulous money for some, help Israel's expansionist agenda, create enemies in every strata of society worldwide...and very likely is the beginning of the end of the USA as the dominant world power.
OBL specifically denied involvement in 9/11, more than once. You're thinking of the fake OBL video that had him claiming involvement.
and furthermore, 9/11 was never investigated in any meaningful way and the sham investigation hasnt even been released, so you can pretty much assume that every fact about 9/11 they have decided to tell you is pure bullshit, like every other thing they tell you. Pray for more wikileaks if you'd like to know the facts about what the corrupt douches are doing with your tax money.
"A clear cut situation like this should not have required 30 minutes let alone 30 days to condemn"
bwahahahaha. Your clarity is the clarity of the child. The other countries all knew it was a setup, a flimsy pretext for taking down Iraq, and they of course wanted no part of it until the price was right.
what a good boy, you ate all your propaganda, now you can have a cookie.
He is rooting for an anthrax attack to prove his point, so no, he won't be coming around to join the humans anytime soon. most personality disorders are not 'fixable'.
these days?
it's (is not) "[sic.]" [sic].
and it's's normative.
it would form it's simple past
ohhh, so close.
and who says that their sense of humor is not?
but considering the mixup of the colors and how crooked it was placed, i'm thinking it couldnt have been Germans at all.
You started out with just another throwaway simplistic political analysis, but then jumped into something quite humorous with notions of the "Western leftist planned and funded Arab Spring anti-Israel worldwide chaos conspiracy theory".
"This move by Palestinian Authority it won't make any friends in Israel"
this is a familiar formula in situations of oppressor vs. oppressed, it was a major stumbling block for the blacks in america, hoping that if you were "extra nice" they would stop oppressing you and/or, if you aren't extra nice, they will oppress you worse. Bicyclists of today are in the same boat as you hear car drivers openly threatening death and dismemberment for crimes of impoliteness..."not staying in their place" (off of "their" roadway). Fairness and equal rights are anathema to those enjoying domination and control. it's foolish to play that game, you must fight for your rights.
You haven't seen this much BS on one thread, so you decided to see if you could top it in one POST:)
every single point in your post is raving bullshit...the claims to the land, the charter of Hamas, the 'rape'...everything! it's like you copied and pasted from some thread on Ha'aretz.
to troll properly on slashdot you need to retain some amount of debatability mixed with a more measured delivery.
You like to pose in the lofty chair of an impartial judge, but your corruption is clear. The irony of condemning boycott on the grounds of it being collective punishment is simply a moral dilemma, not unlike the dilemma of whether to kill the madman who is unloading his automatic weapon at the mall. ie. killing a person to stop them from killing people. The sad thing is that this analogy also points out that boycott is much too tame a measure for the mad dog that calls itself "Israel".
Whether they avoid the grandstanding or not, obviously they're choosing which side of history to be on but more likely attempting to avoid as much of the noise and blackballing from the colonialist gangsters as possible than your explanation for everything; "they're just ignorant". and it also allows some space for those Jewish fans out there who don't necessarily want to talk about the horror.
and appearing in Israel IS a political statement at this point. Boycott is the best weapon civil society has to help end this tragic situation. any interaction with Israel as a normal state is an act of support.
Jeez the defense of Israel requires some tortured logic doesn't it?
Boycotting Israel is a definite political statement and more and more artists are making that statement loud and clear.
Nice racist troll anonymous. Plying the old Jewish notion that Palestinians are actually sub-human which helps to excuse the ongoing campaign of oppression to the world, (and to themselves).
The real difficulty is that the Palestinians are prevented from fashioning a functioning economy by their oppressors.
Interesting
it's ironic how _every_ non-official narrative is automatically labelled a "conspiracy theory" when the official narrative, especially in matters of war is, as a rule, a conspiracy.
anyway, it's been many years, but there's enough stuff, plenty of motive and means, that it is hard to deny. I mean, do you really think the USA would run a 15 year campaign, full of arbitrary destruction and malice, to "save" a bunch of brown-skinned people from their own CIA asset? (an asset who actually started working FOR his own people, setting very bad 'socialist' examples in the region). try google.com, "kuwait slant drilling" or maybe "kuwait iraq setup" or similar.