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Man Ordered At Gunpoint To Hand Over Phone For Recording Cops
HungryHobo writes with this excerpt from a story at Pixiq:
"Miami Beach police did their best to destroy a citizen video that shows them shooting a man to death in a hail of bullets on Memorial Day. First, police pointed their guns at the man who shot the video, according to a Miami Herald interview with the videographer. Then they ordered the man and his girlfriend out of the car and threw them down to the ground, yelling, 'you want to be f****** paparazzi?' Then they snatched the cell phone from his hand and slammed it to the ground before stomping on it. Then they placed the smashed phone in the videographer's back pocket as he was laying down on the ground."
the cops could have avoided all that trouble, and then it would just be a he-said/she-said scenario. Neat. Clean.
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Theft, destruction of private property, destruction of evidence, assault, and I'm probably missing a few.
I mean, I'm not from the USA, but surely even that is illegal there?
By the time our porcine "protectors" figure out that smashing up the instrument rarely destroys the recording, we'll all have real-time internet-connected video cameras.
..after a lengthy court battle it'll probably become completely legal to video record police officers. Thanks you bastards
Yet another example of a government agent stomping on the Constitution. What type of country has this become? One where the government can track, monitor, record, and harass citizens, yet citizens can't even record a public event without being treated as terrorists. Just disgusting.
Now they should sue and we can all pay for it with an ever increasing tax burden.
The U.S. is much better than China. We are free.
...and cops wonder why we hate them?
sounds like those police need to be taught a lesson.
The HTC EVO is a Sprint phone, it doesn't use SIM cards.
Also, video isn't stored on the SIM card.
Maybe he means the memory card?
Removing the memory card requires removing the battery first on an HTC EVO. It's somewhat unlikely he did that discreetly.
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Fucking pigs.
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Shoot cops, not dope!
If there's enough of the phone to recover images, then the cops have made their situation worse. It looks like that's the case, but it's from an SD card, not a SIM card - given how Sprint's phones work.
Another point - how about apps that instantly stream to an offsite location? The cops would still be thwarted, and still have to pay.
Hopefully the cops end up paying tons of cash to replace the phones, along with whatever criminal penalties come from their actions.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Record it online, not on your phone. Although I suppose it won't be long before cops carry cell jammers as a regular thing.
What we need is a Federal law with two components:
1. Establish that it's perfectly legal to film the police doing their job in a public place.
2. Make it a crime, punishable with serious jail time, for a police officer to intimidate a photographer, confiscate their camera, or return the camera without the images.
This law should have no exception for "accidents" like phones being smashed or evidence being lost --- any more than we tolerate "accidents" involving children being lost or killed. Police should know that the minute they confiscate a private individual's camera they are putting their careers and their freedom in the balance should anything go wrong.
Of course none of this would be workable; if Congress actually passed any kind of law it would almost certainly protect the police and not the citizenry; and half of Slashdot would probably object to this being a Federal law rather than a state law or would propose that we adopt a technological/market solution instead.
get Dexter to take care of thees bad cops
I thought this too. Looking into it though, how do we actually do it? The only way I can think of that's convenient on a Symbian phone is stickam, then viewing it on a computer already running somewhere... which isn't great. You want the whole thing to be as quick as pressing one button
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Our cops don't carry guns.
...can be found here. Rather chilling.
I wonder if those jerk-off cops know there is a good chance the video is recoverable.
"It's fun to obey the machine" - Ralph Wiggum
Just as every phone should have an easy way to summon emergency services without looking at the screen, every phone should also have an easy way to initiate a "live recording" option: record+immediate streaming upload
Unless the video's already posted at YouTube or LiveLeak.
When it says he removed the SD card, you know it's not an iPhone.
It's not illegal to film them, so you don't need a law explicitly making it legal. What you need is for these thugs to be charged with assault and more.
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Qik does this quite well.
http://qik.com/
redneck alert?
Perhaps I'm trolling, perhaps I'm not.
Seriously, who cares if this is leaked. The officer responsible will probably get a suspension (they deserve a prison sentence like any regular civilian in my opinion) and the cops will just say it was an isolated incident. It is not like anyone can loose any more faith in the police anyway.
If you are an on duty police officer you can get away with murder and at most you will be fired. There is a completely different standard of law for these corrupt bastards.
Since I was born in this country I have never seen so much lawlessness by financial institutions, politicians and law enforcement.
If this continues the USA will break up. If the USA becomes politically unstable we could see civil war.
There are already indications of this as state legislatures ignore their constituents and yield to the criminals in Washington.
We have states desperate to save the currency Washington is destroying, by declaring new issues of monetary and economic rules in their own states.
Meanwhile you have Federal powers trying to make it illegal to put anything other than Federal Reserve notes and arresting anyone who dares try.
A confrontation is coming between those who have looted and stole everything in this country and those who have been stolen from.
Be sure you pick the correct side when the crap hits the fan, because it is going to get very very ugly.
-Hack
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Dropbox?
Have you ever been in a high adrenaline situation that ended in you shooting and killing someone? Have you ever voluntarily ended someones life? Have you had someone film you whilst you do this? Unless the answer to all of the above is "yes", how about you keep your damning judgements to yourself.
If the police officer can't handle these situations, I highly suggest they go for an alternate career. Maybe as a garbageman or something that shouldn't involve weapons. Seriously, it might be an extremely stressfull situation when he's shooting at the alleged drug dealer, who allegedly shot back at them. But when this innocent bystander, only being guilty of having a camera, gets guns shoved up in his face, then you aren't fit to take care of justice. If your job as a public servant can't take the scrutiny of someone video taping you as you perform your job, then you have no business being in the line of duty. Please, let the people be able to weed out the bad cops. We need the good ones. So your arguments are basically not relevant, as criticism isn't dependant of having to be in the persons shoes.
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Get used to it. Either that or, you know, actually get up off your obese asses and do something, instead of whining on Slashdot.
Yes, stomping the phone will easily destroy the recording, which is stored on a very fragile medium. The act of giving the broken phone back, accompanied by some choice threats, really complements the boot-stomping nicely! There is absolutely no need to do difficult technical stuff in order to erase the recording, or to "confiscate" the phone. Breaking the screen of the phone is all it takes. Giving it back adds insult to injury so nicely! You deserve a sprinkle-encrusted donut for this brave and ironic act! Don't listen to those trolls talking about memory cards and other stuff, they're just trying to make you waste your precious time.
I suffer from attention surplus disorder.
"serious news post"?
is this /. or nytimes.com?
Yah it will end up like the case of the guy who used his phone to record a police officers voice who was braking the law just to have the court throw it out and arrest him for illegal wire tapping. Dosnt matter what you say or do.. cops will do what they want and get away with it no matter what.
It is in all cases of Police Misconduct a matter of proving that the Officer is in fact Innocent Of All Charges (and furthermore any cameras under control of the state are EXCLUDED from use as evidence). So if you get accused as an officer your DashCam(TM) can not be used to settle things with IA and if nobody else can be found with video (or is otherwise a Witness) then you go down.
(this will also cut down on the need for everybody to have to risk filming an Officer)
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Police are officers of the state, i.e. they are government agents.
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3 anything can be made to fly given enough force
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Strange, I don't see anyone being a dick to the cops in that story.
A guy RECORDING cops ON DUTY during an action ON A PUBLIC STREET ends up with a cop smashing his phone and pointing a gun at him.
Yeah, blame other people for being dicks to the cops. That makes a lot of sense.
I can understand where you're coming from. None of us have been in that type of situation. There is something to be said for that. Closest I've come to combat is paintball or video games. I do not claim, in any way, to be an expert on police activity or combat in general.
However, I need not be a great artist to judge art, I need not be a great musician to judge music, and I need not be a police officer to judge a police action. Shooting someone, fine, I can understand that in many situations that is necessary and justified. Haven't seen the details on this particular shooting, so I won't judge that. But if your first reaction to noticing that someone has filmed you is "point a gun at them, smash their shit and try to destroy the evidence", I would say that's a sign of a guilty conscience. I can understand having a slightly guilty conscience after shooting someone, even if fully justified, but going so far about it seems to say that the officer knew (or at least felt) that he had done something seriously wrong.
And further, it is entirely my place to pass judgement. I pay my taxes, I vote. The police, in a very real sense, work for me. I may not understand the technical details about what they're doing, but it is fitting and just that I pass judgement upon them.
Being the good guy 99% of the time does not excuse you from the 1% when it is of this magnitude. If it were just being an asshole, yelling at some guy he's writing a ticket for or something, yeah, I can let that slide. But when your stress breakdown involves deliberate destruction of personal property and two ounts of obstruction of justice (even if the shooting was justified, destroying evidence of it is obstruction of justice; witness retaliation is also classified as felony obstruction of justice), I would hesitate to let it slide.
What is truly disappointing to me is that this even happened. Police shooting someone is common and expected. It's part of the job description - there's a certain class of criminals that need to be shot. But this incident, along with the countless others seen over the past few years, shows that there is a serious gap between the people and those chosen to defend the people. I do not think we are at the point that the US is a police state - the police themselves are not our enemy, and the police do not consider the civilians as a whole to be an enemy. However, there are worrying signs that we are headed that way. I fear that we may not heed those signs until too late.
a court ruled it was legal, then Chicago mayor Daley got the legislature to pass and the gov to sign a bill outlawing it.
There are a couple other states where it is also illegal.
DERP police are agents of the government. DERP
Or in the trunk of a police car. Get caught with a pistol and you just might be let off with a warning and confiscation. There's a reason for that.
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It seems to me the US is moving to a 2 standards system. One that applies to the government and another that applies to it's people. That is soo not good!
Only 'flamers' flame!
As long as the police officers in question are appropriately punished, it's not the government but agents of the government acting contrary to their intended purpose. If the government does nothing, then the actions of their agents are condoned and the government becomes responsible. We can't expect our government to be perfect anymore than we can expect those that are a part of government to be perfect. We're all human, and the people in government are just as prone to misbehavior as those outside of government (more so, if you believe the "power corrupts..." theory.) What we can expect from our government is that it will hold those that do misbehave accountable for their actions. Until it fails in that duty, it isn't truly corrupt.
Note that the punishment may be no punishment at all as long as that is determined by a jury of civilians in a court of law.
I didn't want the FBI knocking at my door with a warrant for trying incite violence against the government.
My only defense would be; "This pussy population incited to violence? Are you fucking kidding me?"
Take the Red Pill.
I didn't ask them to protect me. They took it upon themselves. They coerce their keep from my paycheck. They can damn well be held to the highest standards of conduct in those circumstances.
"It took police two-and-a-half days to find the gun in the Hyundai..."
Those damn guns, always getting lost in the seat cushions or under the floor mats.
Yet more signs America is going down.
You sir, are a lemming traitor piece of shit. Its fuckheads like you that empower fuckheads like that.
Take the Red Pill.
Welcome to the police state. Please check your liberties at the door.
So are repo-men. So are PMCs. Affiliation =/= representation
I will be very impressed if you can elucidate the "privacy laws" he violated.
My sister opened a computer store in Hawaii. She sells C shells by the seashore.
The vast majority of the posts seem to take the citizen at his word with no thought that his story has any imbellishments. That's the normal /. rush to judgement. Think folks.
Now go ahead and mod down the truth.
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So I guess now, when some criminal shoots up an innocent bystander in the middle of the street, the cops aren't allowed to arrest him, because anything they saw is private?
WTF?
No expectation of privacy in a public street. Even at 4 AM.
Don't be a douche.
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
Police Chief Carlos Noriega said ... “I was there during the second shooting and it was quite a chaotic scene,” he said. “We were trying to figure out who was who and it was a difficult process. Not once did I see cameras being taken or smashed.”
Right, not once did he see this. Nor twice. He saw it many times. He thinks he can talk like a politician
In the state of Illinois it is illegal to photograph or video ANY policeman. It is a felony to do so. Just wanted to warn people what is coming.
The police live in their own world and the scales of justice are very different there. They have no friends, other than those also in law enforcement, they trust no one but their circle of other law enforcement buddies. You are scum, beneath their high school educated badge. There is absolutely nothing you can do if they want to harass, assault, or even murder you. Think you get justice? wrong, what you get is justice depending on who called first, or if they "care" to respond. Thats life in the big city. I DO HAVE SOME EXPERIENCE that backs up my points. Fuck cops.
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In their ads at least.
Supposedly The HTC EVO 4G can do it if you have a 4G or wi-fi connection.
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why do you even answer to AC?
Don't think he was.
"Non-electronic", and on a public way.
From http://www.rcfp.org/taping/states/florida.html.
I didn't ask them to protect me. They took it upon themselves. They coerce their keep from my paycheck.
And in most countries they also disarm you so you can't protect yourself, thereby justifying their continued existence.
The officer was acting as a public servant on public property...how can recording him be a violation of privacy, when there is no reasonable expectation of privacy?
If the allegations are true, these are not common crimes committed by common criminals, neither in reality nor before the eyes of the law; these are criminal acts carried out "under color of law" by the uniformed agents of the state, and therefore are much more corrosive to a free society than the acts of ordinary hooligans.
Furthermore, there are a variety of constitutional concerns arising from the alleged facts of this case: for starters the acts of the involved police officers are likely to be direct violations of the first and fourteenth amendments. Furthermore, while it is not actionable, these crimes by agents of the state violate the overall spirit of the entire document, which starts out with something about "secur(ing) the blessings of liberty upon us and our posterity."
That is why every American has to bring up the Constitution in cases like this.
Affiliation =/= representation
Sure it is. You're always expected to act responsibly regardless of the organization that you're representing.
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
Its events like this that are the reason I have Qik on my phone. I've never used it, but give me 15 seconds to get started and I'll be uploading live video to a remote server. Go ahead and take my phone. Its already in the cloud.
The USA has become a police state.
From TFA:
"Police say the chase Benoit and Davis saw began around 16th Street after Herisse hit a Hialeah officer with his car during a traffic stop and then peeled off down Collins Avenue, hitting or nearly hitting four other officers before skidding to a stop amid gunfire near 13th Street.
Police say they received reports that Herisse was shooting from his car, and on Wednesday they found a black Berretta 92-F semiautomatic pistol in his Hyundai.
Police also learned Thursday that he is believed to be the gunman in a November armed robbery at a BP gas station in which a clerk was shot in the face. Police say the clerk identified Herisse in a photo lineup after detectives recognized the slain 22-year-old in The Miami Herald."
It's not the police force's job to hand out flowers and good will. They're here to deal with society's scum 24/7 and in that type of high stress job environment, mistakes will be made. They're just people. Imagine for a moment your job is to stop the "bad guys". Bad guys tend to associate with and befriend other bad guys. I don't know why, they just do. How would you feel knowing video of you being forced to make the decision to take the life of one of these bad guys was about to hit youtube for all of that person's bad guy friends/family and every bleeding heart nutjob to see, thus enabling them to seek out revenge on you and your family? A huge neon lit bull's eye has now been placed on your head and your immediate family's heads to compliment the the one already there on a daily basis just owing to your career choice. Does that make you feel all warm & fuzzy inside or what? I'm all for liberty and freedom and all that shit but there are also reasons why the public release of video of events like this will not benefit criminal justice or the pool of public servants in any way. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess the above concerns were racing through the officer's heads if/when they attempted to destroy the cellphones.
jail time (hopefully)
then you wouldn't mind if we took a look, now, would you?
Works both ways, remember that.
Please, I'm genuinely interested
Our culture doesn't get smarter, it just finds new ways of being retarded.
"and all the cops are criminals, and all the sinners' saints" - The Rolling Stones
fucking pigs, no wonder so many people hate them...
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This is a prime example when only the police have weapons you risk a police state, In this case a citizen had a cell phone and the police officer thought he could shout and yell out flagrant lies about the law. He takes his issued weapon and points it at the citizen who was filming the incident and threatens to shoot him. What would have happened if the officer discharged his weapon at the cell phone videographer?
Oh we are sorry, the officer mistook the cell phone as a weapon. Case closed and an innocent citizen is killed.
I know being a police officer is a tough job and since we live in a society where violence is entertainment, nobody respects the police. Even a simple traffic stop turns into a hommicide where the stopped vehicle's occupant ends up killing the officer on the scene.
In low income areas the police break down doors at 3:00am and terrorize the occupants. Ever see them break down a door at 3:00am in an affluent neighborhood?
They walk up, ring the door bell and present thier warrant. Otherwise there is a good chance the owner of that 1.5 million dollar home has the means to hire the all star law team to bankrupt the city.
Hell the enire L.A police Dept ended up in Michael Jacksons home to issue out a warrant. did they need the entire L.A. police Dept to arrest him? Nosy ass police officers.
Chances are the video is still there.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
held to a much higher standard than the average citizen. They are supposed to know the law, so when they violate the constitution they are doing so with full knowledge of what they are doing. And what they are doing is being traitors to the constitution of the United States.
Obstruction of justice by those in charge of justice should be the worst crime possible in a Democracy.
Try them for breaking the camera and if found guilty, give them the death penalty.
Not reading any further.
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One cop being stupid doesn't make all police stupid, any more than a black mugger makes all black people muggers.
Generalisations are just the outward symptom of inner prejudice.
There was supposedly a new Flip that would do this, but Cisco killed it at the last minute.
Sounds just like every run-in I've ever had with police. I've even videotaped the cops beating the shit out of my friends. The only thing that ever amounted to was my friends not being convicted of Obstruction of Justice, Disobeying a Police Officer, Resisting Arrest, Interfering with an Investigation. And, maybe a couple cops quit the force.
It was funny when they played the video in court and the Judge looks over at the prosecutor and said, "Don't you hate when that happens? Case dismissed."
But the cops were never convicted of anything. Not even the local lawyers in my town want to take on the cops.
p.s. I remember the time a cop, with his foot stuck in my door over a noise complaint, grabbed my arm and said, "That's it, you're under arrest." I yanked my hand back and said, "Fuck you, get off my property, you're trespassing." Oh there was also the time that same cop just busted into my house (also a noise complaint) with his arm extended pointing a can of pepper spray at me... I ran into the kitchen where there was like 20 people. The cop eventually put away the pepper spray and walked away... knowing he would have sprayed everyone. Oh there's also the time a cop said I did a 360 on my motorcycle going 50mph, and when I stopped put my hands on my head, and sat down Indian-style, he beat me repeatedly with his baton.. so obviously I got a resisting arrest charge... dismissed, thankfully. Oh and a few months ago when I got a ticket for driving on a learner's permit with no licensed driver... though there was a licensed driver in the car, and I haven't had a learners permit for 15 years... I appealed that and.... inexplicably, lost. I could go on and on.
How many more years will slashdot have an off-by-one error on your Score in your profile?
Even though my family has been in this country since before the French-Indian Wars, sh*t like this makes me want to move to Canada. Cops wonder why we hate them and wonder why they get called pigs, jack-booted thugs, stormtroopers and NAZIS. When newbie cops go through law-enforcement training, are they not taught about a piece of paper called THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION and especially the BILL of RIGHTS!!!!?? It is getting to the point I am beginning to wonder if the last line of the movie The Hunt for Red October might make a good battle cry (A revolution now and then is a good thing, don't you think)? Hopefully the victim gets a GOOD Constitutional lawyer and sues and cops lose their jobs. And Lawlessness you have a point, I hope you are wrong, but I have a bad feeling we may end up falling apart politically.
As posted above, Qik or ustream.tv
Just tried out the Youtube app on Android, and it does not seem to have any option to upload video via streaming, only after you've hit done.
Presumably by that point the cops have already smashed your phone.
The largest SIM cards today cannot hold even the smallest video. The authors of these articles surely meant an SD card or MicroSD card, but definitely *not* a SIM card.
Kriston
New technology is needed to permit a phone user to with a single touch of a button send a live video stream to a 911-like number that is independent of an police department, but which is turned over to several law enforcement agencies simultaneously as well as to citizen watch-dog councils. The level of police corruption and usurpation of authority is reaching epidemic proportions in the US. Average citizens need a means of making it impossible for police to destroy evidence of their crimes and over-zealous enforcement.
This shouldn't be too much of a technical hurdled and would be a great safety feature (for society as a whole).
We need a citizen's push to get this kind of technology on all cell-phones as quickly as possible, including laws that require it.
Even CIA agents or commando squads trying to keep their missions secret? I think there are already laws about that.
I dunno. Karma whore, maybe?
"City hall" in German is "Rathaus" Kinda explains a few things......
He was driving one.
I'm not trying to justify anything, just pointing out why I think it might have made sense to shoot him after he tried to run people down.
As for the other bit which is quite depressing, journalists and photographers are frequently getting killed by military and law enforcement. It's not the sort of behaviour you expect in the USA but since in the past it was condoned from the very top it's not just going to happen in Iraq any more but also at home. There's the attitude throughout the community that a Reuters guy deserved death for being in a war zone (among dozens of other recent cases) and when you've got that in the head of a busy scared policeman in the middle of a firefight it's no surprise that he's going to point a gun at a bystander with a camera. He might just think the bystander deserves whatever they get for impeding a police operation, and if nothing else the images would complicate things and possibly threaten his job.
Since I was born in this country I have never seen so much lawlessness by financial institutions, politicians and law enforcement.
Or so much hyperbole apparently... Just like my grandparents declaring how wonderful things were in the good old days. Everything is always going to hell
I doubt it. You'll just get the military government that Bush and Kerry pretended was a good thing when they campaigned on their military credentials. You can look at a few countries in Africa for examples, or Argentina a few decades back. I can't see it happening for a long long though because it requires just about everybody to lose any respect for central authority before as loyal a military as the US military decides they have to step in and take control to save the country.
I think things are going to get a lot worse no matter what is done by anybody from the sheer inertia of more than a decade of Enron style management in public and private spheres. But still it's a very long way down from there to civil war or military coup.
I really feel sorry for American civilians... They are oppressed by a tyrannical government and its corrupt 'police'.
And sadly, as in most tyrannies, the American people are kept uneducated about the fact that such things are not supposed to happen in a free and civilized country. Unsurprisingly their government makes sure the people do not know that what the government and the authorities do is wrong and unnecessary.
I really hope they will find the courage to stand up to this oppression like many people have done in the past in countries like Tunisia and Libya.
I would gladly ask my government to help them by offering military support, weapons or anything else that might be useful if the American people wish to receive outside help. This is the 21st century, dictators and police who make their own laws have no place on this planet.
Google, they can take and break the phone but not the video.
That's the important question. Gumbel 2 Gumbel: Beach Justice is my favorite TV show within a TV show right after Wormhole X-Treme.
"Don't taze me, bro!" ring a bell?
So, he won't post the video... and please just read the article and admit that it's TERRIBLY one sided.
If you were a cop and God forbid had to kill another human being would you want video out there? Or would you do anything to destroy such video?
It doesn't make what they did legally right, but cops are people, and no one wants a video out there of them killing another human being (only the real bad guys do).
--but I know, intellectual honesty is too much to understand, I must be a hypocrite--
The point is, it's very easy to kick back and bad mouth them, or solve all of the police forces moral issues in 2 sentences from the comfort of your living room.
For the record the Nazi card has been completely overplayed, anyone who uses the term to describe someone who isn't REALLY a Nazi should return their diploma, it's defective.
PS I'm really bothered that I have to defend these police officers whom I know nothing about and MAY be awful people, but guess what? They MAY be just as good as you.
(Oh yeah, everyone's the same and there are no "good" and "bad" people, how silly of me... I guess I'm wrong after all)
Activities by public employees in public areas or viewable from said areas while in the performance of their jobs can not be considered private.
IANAL, but several judges have made the above statements several times over the past decade.
(That is a paraphrase, not an exact quote.)
"Who will video the video makers?
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
This is how I do it.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ustream-live-broadcaster/id319362690?mt=8
You must be European. In Europe, pictures of police officers are considered "private" even on duty.
The US is more reasonable.
the thin blue line - cops showing an immense loyalty to their fellow cops, which comes off as misguided loyalty when the "fellow cop" was involved in something like this.
I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
"It took police two-and-a-half days to find the gun in the Hyundai but they still havenâ(TM)t determined if it was discharged that night.
For all we know, it could have been locked away in the trunk of the car."
Actually for all we know, the fucking pigs put it there after the fact.
Things like this are why I'm glad anytime someone shoots back.
nothing to see here, just move along
Look there are the REAL terrorists !
On a phone running a UNIX-like OS (like Maemo, Meego, or WebOS, distinct from a UNIX/Linux kernel), you'd just pipe gstreamer (or your platform's equivalent) into nc or ssh. The "hard" part is having a remote server to record it -- but with VPSes available for less than $10/mo. these days, that's not hard either.
Of course, I'm not sure what needs done to prove it wasn't modified when you go to use it in court; that bears some consideration...
Simple: have a look at bambuser.com.
This is used extensively for documenting police action against protesters in Stuttgart (Germany), Spain etc.
In a case like this, best solution would be to file a complaint directly with FL Dept of Law Enforcement. They punch a case number and there is no "losing" the complaint as FLDE will make sure the investigation is done properly and then move forward if any findings substantiate the complaint. It's one thing for Metro Dade to do it's on investigation and justify the out come with FDLE, it's another if FDLE is involved at the beginning if not conducting their own investigation.
Tfa says he recovered the video, wheres the video all i see is the overhead view from the building
That's right. All I want to say.
You can make whatever you want with whatever penalty : it is nigh useless if the other people doing the inquiry are cop too, with friend in the same departement. What you need is a federal force which look at such a case, and even make random check, and make sure the member of that force have no friend in any departement.
I have a lot of colleague (software engineer) which comes from the US, Australia and england (even one Irish) and many of them do not even speak *one* word of german and come by very well. The reason for that is that there is a close knit community of them which can help each other with administrative stuff, and the average german knows enough of english to come by. There are also itnernational school which etach kids in english (although I am not sure if they use the program from german school, or english/US schools).
;).
THerefore you do not need to speak english and the few words you can say are likely enough.
That said, germany (or should I say EU?) has its fault too when it comes to certain stuff, like keeping record and logs for a long time. And if you like to carry your weapon you are likely to get disappointed as it is forbidden except for rare circumstance which are unlikely to apply to you.
A word of warning : their desert *sucks* , the stuff in the bakery is difficult to disgest and is heavy as hell in the stomach. I recommend french bakery if you really go to germany
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'you want to be f****** paparazzi?'
What exactly is the point of replacing only part of the word with stars? We all know what the word is, and it pops into our heads when we read it (at least it does for me, anyway). If you don't like swearing, then either fill the whole word with stars, or replace it with '[expletive]', or something. Filling out most of the word might prevent a young child from adding the word to his vocabulary, but I doubt anyone that young will be reading slashdot anyway.
If there's a purpose for doing it this way, then please, somebody, enlighten me.
Anybody want a peanut?
Ustream.tv is one option, or another one: http://bambuser.com/ ; both stream and store directly from mobiles, provided you have an internet connection onsite.
Its easy enough these days to record video without making it obvious what you are doing. For example there are sun glasses with integrated cameras, and cameras in the form of a key fob. So if you want to record the cops don't do it by holding up your phone.
http://michaelsmith.id.au
It is evident that police officers are not our brightest citizens
Wow... they walk up to the car that already stopped, wait for quite a while and then they just all start shooting at it. They better have some video evidence the guy in the car started shooting at them, or they'll all be facing murder charges.
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
small correction: I think the first article meant he removed the micro SD card, not the SIM card
Screw you liberal idiots! Ok, the DEAD GUY, had a proven history of violence, was ARMED with a hand gun, was shooting it, had assaulted officers in the past. They get him cornered, and they just execute him? Is that it? YEAH RIGHT! The idiot was given multiple verbal warnings to raise his hands, and most likely made a sudden movement, or made a statement he was going out in a blaze of glory. You'll notice that it wasn't one officer that fired, then the others joined in. They all shot at the same time. As for the idiot woman in the story that said "they unloaded on him". Officers are trained to unload the entire magazine to put the threat down. Not only that, you ask any officer who's had to pull the trigger, and they will say they heard bang, then click click after they ran out of ammo. Stupid civilians...why not take a ride along with an officer, on a night shift, and when they pull someone over with tinted windows, who has a history of violence, we'll let YOU walk up to the window and say let me see your drivers license. Let's see how you react! Many an officer is dead because some idiot wanted to brandish a gun, and many kids today don't have fathers because some thug wanted to break the law. I hope the dead guy rots in h*ll! Kuddos officers, you did your profession proud!
Welcome to the United States of No Freedom! But seriously it seems because of works like "Cyber Crime" and "Terrorism". It seems many countries have rushed in laws that removes the freedoms of the people living there. We used to look at other countries like China and laugh at their laws like their Internet filtering, but now UK does it, Australia I believe does it. We are losing freedoms in what we used to think democratic counties upheld.
I personally do not welcome the overlords......
... then nobody will know you are filming them. I can't believe the number of citizens who foolishly don't do this, when they think they might want to film cops breaking the law. A pen cam is completely unnoticeable, and you can film whatever cops you want and they will never have a clue.
Doesn't anybody on Slashdot know that these things exist? They will only improve in resolution and battery life with each passing year, until we are all able to record 24 hours a day at 1920 x 1200 pixels resolution.
>Four innocent bystanders were shot during that shooting, most likely from police bullets.
This seems over the top.
These types of incidents should result in the firing and loss of any pension of the police involved, with the addition of an appropriate amount of jail time. When those who are presented to us as our protectors become our attackers they should be made examples of what society is unwilling to accept in a way that make others think twice before acting in the same ways.
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No they're not. In many countries you're free to record anyone in public, police officer or not.
it looks like justin.tv allows you to watch a recording later, and upload it to youtube.
I just noticed that NOBODY on the board thinks this is funny.
I suppose that's the first step in realizing that there is a problem with the law enforcement in this country. Government agencies can piggy-back just about anything on your car, house, or person. But have a cell phone or home-security cam and guess what? You're now "part of the problem" from the .GOVs perspective.
Disturbing trend if you ask me.
Criminals at least have a brain, they wont attack innocents like this.
Only psychopath meth addicts with mental illness would should a random citizen.
If im no threat to a crim, he wouldnt waste his effort to harm me, or risk getting caught.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
And I hope you went after the fascists for this. Police abusing powers no longer have a right to be called Police.
generally, the societies that offer the fewest social services to their citizenry are often the ones with the highest corruption, while social democratic governments in Europe seem to have a lot less of this kind of thing.
You are mixing cause and effect here.
The governments in Western Europe have generally low levels of corruption so they can afford to offer high levels of social services. This does not mean that a government that offers high levels of social protection automatically gets low levels of corruption.
Case in point: I live in Brazil, where a Scandinavian-like social protection system is mandated by the constitution. However the corruption in the government is so high that all these social services barely work. For instance, I have a private health care insurance, although the Brazilian constitution says government-provided health care is a basic right of every citizen.
You use a service like ustream.tv
but you won't beat the ride.
I'll have the fries, please....
Simply judging from "incidents" like in Guantanomo or even Abu Graib I'm more and more inclined to think that this is all "by design".
Preach "freedom" and other strong words long enough for everyone to believe it while on the other hand you're doing totally opposite things. The real challenge is of course to make sure no one finds out.
And if one does (Wikileaks anyone?) you simply try to get them extradited and locked up.
"Land of the free" my ass.
I wish I had mod points for you. Well said, sir.
That's just another version of "might makes right". I'm not sure why it's considered acceptable for cops and their supporters to say stuff like that, when they'd be aghast if some cop-killer at sentencing were to laugh and say "Yeah, you got me, but that pig is still DEAD."
This is not a place where cops have to worry about the law.
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Having worked in a cop station before I can say that they were mostly good people there... and then there were the couple of serious assholes who ruined it for everyone else. We need better personality tests for police academy graduates or something.
I do not respond to cowards. Especially anonymous ones.
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
The above link contains a PDF that explains your rights.
Basically it comes down to this: your images/video is your property, which is protected by the court system. Anyone wanting your property needs to file a case against you (be it criminal or civil) in order to compel you to release/destroy/stop sharing, etc. your images.
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
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The real trick is to post everything directly to "The Cloud". ... Destroying the device doesn't destroy the data, and you also have a record of the destruction.
This is what happened at the Democratic Convention protests in Chicago in 1968.
Chicago was a machine-run city and the police were able to keep pictures of their misdeeds out of the newspapers by seizing and/or smashing the photographers' cameras. In preparation for the convention (and the pre-announced protests) the machine's unions had prevented the stringing of video cabling to likely protest sites.
But this was the first serious deployment of the "minicam" by the three networks' news operations. It was a massive shoulder-mounted camera, feeding a backpack full of electronics and batteries, radio-linked to a truck full of equipment within a block or two that relayed it to the studio. But it worked. And Chicago was a main switching/mixing/studio center for all three networks' transcontinental feeds.
So the police, with orders to keep things out of the media, did their standard smash-the-camera number (like they did when the local newsies got ouf-of-line and tried to report on them). And when the police batons smashed a camera lens the image, from the lens' viewpoint, was already out of the camera and into living rooms nationwide.
With the improvements in video camera technology - first the personal portable video camera, then the inclusion of cameras and video-record functionaltiy in most modern cellphones - the bulk of the population has been in a position to play Chicago News Cameraman. "Who watches the watchmen?" can now be answered "All of us!" Since the Rodney King incident the police have been hunting for ways to suppress this coverage. And this bunch seems to have settled on the pre-minicam Chicago Police approach. In this case the camara man managed to extract and protect the "film". But the real solution is the same as it was in '68: Real time upload to external archive and/or live publication. You hit it dead-on.
Fortunately the pieces of that are now available as stock products (minor assembly required). Smartphone plus applet for live streaming to archive and/or social-network/video publication. The readers' letters attached to TFA name at least two such applets: QIK (and QIK Plus) and Ustream.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
If agents of the state (i.e., anyone doing things at the request of the government) do something wrong and are not punished in the same way you'd expect anyone else to be punished, that's wrong.
If I pointed a gun at someone, threatened him, stole his phone and destroyed it, I'd expect a little visit from the law and my due time sat in front of a judge (and beyond). These police officers should expect the same thing. If they don't, just because they're paid by the government, then that's a bad thing.
Surveillance is fine, because you're not doing anything wrong, right?
the photoshop.com application. It can be set to upload pictures as you take them. I have been using the Android version for a while now. I understand there is an IOS version too.
By the time the criminals or police notice you, the pictures are online.
Alternatively, send it straight to Facebook or Twitter.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
You could have written "post everything directly to off-device storage" but you chose to emphasize a specific subset of that, by saying "the cloud." I'm not saying you wrong but your post didn't follow up and explain why a server not directly under the control of the user is a superior choice, preferable to the user's own server. So.. what's the angle? Why "the cloud?"
I see this as just another problem in todays government. ....period.
We know there are those that abuse their position, and those that dont, not all cops are bad, but not all bad cops get punished.
Bad cop does bad, he should get punished, especially with this case, as not only does he give a bad rap to all other cops...but
he also has no respect for the law he is supposed to represent and enforce. He should lose his badge
As for getting proper monitoring over the cops....if we could have live streaming built into the phones for emergencies such as 911.... .....
so that now we would be sending this in real time to a repository that will keep it as evidence...but we get charged for...to make it
possible to maintain (takes money)....atleast if you see the cop coming towards you after he killed someone, ready to do what this cop did....well its all being documented real time, so even if he breaks the phone, he will have proof
Also, the phone holder could have told him, that it does not matter what he does, the 911 center already has the uploaded video, and that now the cop is really just making it worse for himself...maybe this would avoided them going after his girlfriend and him after the fact.
The guy they shot just hit like 8 cars on his way to where he stopped. Watch the damn video then complain. Tomorrow it'll be your car rammed, your computer stolen and your sister raped. So whine and complain a little more about the cops. You really reveal your true ignorance making up conspiracy theories and prophesying civil war from a headline.
You sir, are a lemming traitor piece of shit. Its fuckheads like you that empower fuckheads like that.
So, my opinion gets slammed as being a troll, but this one somehow gets a score of 2? Oh, what an upside down world /. is
I wonder if there's a FOSS version of Qik or something similar. How many incidents will it take where someone records the cops doing something wrong - they take the phone & assault the user - get sued & video appears in court - cops get screwed - before the government figures out some way to step on Qik's toes?
If there was an open-source version, and it was all over the Github, then any threat against the company could be answered with "You want to shut us down? Go ahead. Ever heard of the Streisand Effect? Thousands of people will compile versions of Qik and mass-distribute it. And you'll have to put out 1,000 wildfires instead of 1. So yeah, go ahead, shut us down." or something along these lines.
They do on occasion but as stated earlier, it is rare. Not long ago I read of a story where five or more sheriff deputies tortured a guy in his home but before doing so, the deputies ordered his wife and toddler son out of the house. As the wife was leaving, she switched on a tape recorder that was hidden from the officers. The whole torture session was recorded and later used against the officers in court. All of them, I believe, were fired and a few of them were sentenced to five years in prison. The guy that was tortured was one short a six pack mentally and was a known drug dealer (supposedly). and the deputies illegally entered his home without warrant or orders from superiors and a few of yhem were off duty. They hooked electrodes up to the guys balls and shocked him over and over in hopes of coercing him into signing a confession that he was a drug dealer. He held out and never did sign the confession. Other than the officers being sent to prison, I do not know what, if any, civil action was taken against the officers and/or the county that employed them. When I read the story, I was actually surprised that the officer(s) that led the torture session only got five years. What would happen if I walked into some cops house, kicked out his wife and kid and started electrocuting his balls in order to make him sign a confession saying that he was a corrupt peace officer? I can imagine a little more than five years. That's one thing that eats me up is the unfairness of our judicial system and how it protects corrupt officials.
They are waaay below thugs.
These cops are just down right batshit insane.
That would be true if it weren't for the fact that these sorts of cops are defended by the other cops. What's that crime, the one where you aren't actually doing it, you're just helping the crime go ahead?
Ah, yes, aiding and abetting.
Until "the good cops" start BEING good cops they'll remain part of the bad cops.
PS Nazis loved their mothers too, they were mostly people who were good and kind but got into a group where you vs them was the only metric available.
So, actually, the cops ARE JUST LIKE those Nazis.
Either that or the Nazis weren't the Nazis you proclaim them to be.
Schizophrenia.
Remember to maintain your supply of
Very very corrupt, with a strong tendency to violence with little or no reason.Lived in south beach for three years and let me just be the first to say stick with the criminals because the MIA cops are not there for you.
my post from another story (assault by door knob):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1696818&cid=32677456
"(I) have this unfortunate condition that causes me not to believe a single thing any politician says when a mic's on.
are a cowardly man wannabe who needs a hunk of steel to reinforce that spot where your spine belongs.
Still looking for a punchline. I got the fnord.
Just letting you embarass yourself, even more, starting here:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34343366
(where you blew it hugely on a simple concept in computing)
Then, after you trolled that ac later, here, where he exposed you for your outright fuckup above:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36293398
and then here even more where your "high IQ" you stated you have, certainly didn't show itself after your "foaming @ the mouth raging replies" troll:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36334446
and
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36350694
AND LASTLY where you show you're a WASTE of education time in academia (and somebody's money) MORESO STILL, here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36358880
and here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36359382
You're a laughable joke, and undoubtedly a liar as well about your actually having done any academia after highschool period.
I am going to have a field day with you, troll. Embarassing a loudmouthed, profane, lying, & trolling scumbag likes of you? Well worth doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpMzT5yGp8
seems legit to me? O.o
as you are at computing: 20 yrs. and still only a techie? Please!
Please, lol, see subject line, and wake up. It also seems RobertM the troll can "dish it out" but certainly cannot take it (especially when truth's used).
Ha!
I see the mod-bombing proceeds apace.
Great! Thanks! It means I've touched on truths you don't want anyone to see, and which totally destroys your agenda if it becomes common knowledge. Gotta stoke that hatred, class-warfare, & bigotry against those Jews and Western Capitalism, right?
It just proves everything I've stated, including the Left's penchant for suppressing any opposing viewpoints however they can.
Thanks again for proving everything I've said to be true.
Strat
Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
Are you mentally stable? The reason I ask him this, is simple (see these 2 posts of Pseudonym Authorities' folks, and then decide for yourselves):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36370168
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2206226&cid=36370194
WTF! Are you sick in the head, or what??
We know you suck at computing already, based on your screwup on a simple principle in it here:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34343366
But we had NO idea you needed mental help too!
Are you mentally stable? The reason I ask him this, is simple (see these 2 posts of Pseudonym Authorities' folks, and then decide for yourselves):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2198230&cid=36370168
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2206226&cid=36370194
WTF! Are you sick in the head, or what??
We know you suck at computing already, based on your screwup on a simple principle in it here:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1881444&cid=34343366
But we had NO idea you needed mental help too!
i have to tell someone about this and i think doing it as anonymous is probably the best way. i've burned enough bridges already. last march i got a girl pregnant, first time i ever came in her i think. everyone was leaning on me to get married, including threats of statutory rape persecution (we were both 17 at the time), but she wanted it to be after the baby was born. last thursday was the big day and we all went to the hospital and i was in the delivery room with her parents for hours with her mom and dad giving me stern looks every time i peeked at her VAGINA (shit was so cash, i got a boner every time someone touched it). after forever the baby was born - dead, still born, but born dead. as i comprehended what just happened i got an instant feeling of freedom and strength flowing into me and before i knew what i was doing i yelled "YES!" and pumped my fist and did a little dance. my now ex-fiancee and her mom were both in tears and her dad's jaw literally dropped in astonishment. i got out of there so fucking fast and as i drove away i realized that i just made some very angry enemies. should i go to the funeral?