I was not intending to comment on this particular case. I was commenting on the flip-flop. Ray corrected that thought in saying the RIAA/MPAA lawyers we recused for 2 years, so there is no flip-flop.
And also, it's not so much a wish to punish, as much as a wish to understand how they get to do that in the first place. I do see your point, and agree in large part with the sentiment.
These guys argued the other side forever, they *should* know how to tear that apart now.
If they knew how to tear it apart, and they did by my understanding of the brief, then they knew the original case was flawed. If the case was flawed, a reasonable person or persons would not attempt such a case in the first place with the intent on 'winning'. If they are not trying to win, then is it a fair and reasonable use of the courts for these ulterior motive shenanigans? Are there penalties for such behavior?
I guess I'm also wondering if this suddenoutbreakofcommonsense has implications in current or future litigation where the RIAA/MPAA or other content redistributors are the plaintiff.
one free one riddled with many annoying ads and pop-ups
We have ways around pop-ups and ads.
Not that it matters, newspapers are dead anyways. Let them die with thanks for many years of service and fulfilling a societal need. Unfortunately, we don't need newspapers as a content medium anymore
If newspapers remain a for-profit business, the business model is dead. Even if newspapers were solely bare-bones, fact gathering, unbiased reporters of the news, and non-profit, they still have a tough business model to break even. They are inconvenient, oft 'old news' by the time they reach my door, and a hassle to dispose of.
If they want to glom together and create 1 paywall for all, fine. I'm in, as long as they take note of what happens to content providers (cough-RIAA-cough-cough) who look for ways to get rich really fast, instead of just get rich. Give us your reasonable paywall without DRM, without format or device constraints, and without trying to screw us. Give us your news, if thats the intent. If your intent is solely to your bottom line (see: RIAA), then goodluckwiththat.
You want everything available on system A to be on system B.
Yes. You don't buy a car with 2 wheels and intend to use it for your daily commute do you?
And don't split hairs; the "shortcoming of Linux", in the context presented clearly means the shortcomings of switching to to Linux. Nobody should be blaming the OS because the applications aren't there. But the fact that the apps aren't there, in some interpretations of the topic, "Why Linux is not ready for the desktop", is 100% why the title is correct.
Remember bashing on Macs in the 80's because there was no integration with token ring, office apps, and most prominently, games? Should sound like a familiar story, key component being games.
If by desktop you mean work productivity, then I would argue that Linux is there. I use it almost exclusively for work. Mail is still a hassle (at times), but tfor the most part I have separated my work life from Windows.
If by desktop you mean everything else I can do with Windows, then Linux is not there. I cannot run "my games" in a VM, nor will I run Windows in a VM under Linux to play my games. My father will not install a VM to use the Ham radio software he's been using since Windows 95. My mother will not install a VM on her new laptop to review the tax records.
I may be brick-headed about this, but it makes no sense to me to use a VM as a compatibility mode when the VM is just as useful (arguably more so, since the VM is a superset) of the host.
Have you used Windows much this last decade? Crashes are rare nowadays - in fact, in the past five years, my Windows servers have turned out to be more reliable than my Linux servers (I and my collegues administer hundreds of each).
Yes.
We reboot the windows servers weekly because of various problems (and they basically only run IIS). In addition we seem to have to apply patches often to keep them running. There is plenty of automation around those tasks.
I didn't have to build that kind of automation into rebooting linux/sun boxes, because there is no need. Our shop is 3 admins for 400+ Unix servers and 10 guys for 400+ Windows servers. Do the math.
Hint: I'm writing on/., they are on the phone with Dell.
And how is a computer any better than putting it on a smaller, simpler USB drive to pull from later when you need it?
I have a PNY 32GB USB drive. It may not be good forever, but with a little software maintenance like backups and syncing, I don't expect to run out of space anytime soon.
I am not convinced web based document and file services provide me a level of security, and accessibility for the trade-off of convenience I can live with.
VMs on the desktop are a hack to make up for the shortcomings of Linux, not a solution.
It's extremely silly to even think that VMs are a viable long term solution, not just because the the topic is "Linux is not ready for the Desktop", but probably more because Mom and Pop will not install and configure a VM when Windows 'just works'.
It boggles my mind why every apple-cheeked teenager on the planet zOMG-NEEDS a digital copy of some of the shit they buy/torrent/share. Album covers were cool in my day (disclaimer: Eddie. 'nuff said), now, most times, you don't even get that with a DL. You get the song, which is overplayed on the radio, and wears itself out in 3 weeks.
The bottom line here is that it is relatively simple to make very it difficult for the local crimin^H^H^H^H^H^Hcops to determine who printed what, where, and who the 'who' is. I don't believe it would ever be "impossible" for the police to find out, however.
The practical effect of this will be nil; anyone who wants to advertise prostitution will just find another web site, probably one located outside the USA.
Don't underestimate the ability for current CL users to 'create' their own language when posting ads.
My guess; not much changes in the 'services', just what they are called.
- Time waiting for the damned thing to arrive - Time waiting for the really-really important cargo train to have the right-of-way on the track you're on - Time traveling to or from train/bus stations - Time spent traveling really slowly on inclement weather days
I find it amusing an ironic that this report comes from 'Boston; where the notorious MBTA (Most Broken Trains Anywhere) is so horribly ineffective, it's not even funny. I guess if they compare it to rush hour on the Mass Pike, they may have a case.
Yes, I was addicted to EFNET and I had tired of the 'winnukes' (port139 Windows NETBIOS DoS), ping floods, and all the other Windows based problems that caused "error 42: connection reset by peer".
I tried BSD 4.2(??), and RedHat 4 (again, ??) Those memories are pretty slim, though.
Ironically, the second thing I did was compile coke.c, and pepsi.c. Heh.
Thanks for the links. I was looking on a Fedora system with yum search, which is why I hadn't seen it. Seems specific to ubuntu, which I'm looking at now.
I thought it was clear that I can do every aspect of my work and home computing on Linux (for that matter I could use Solaris SPARc or X86, except for one aspect. Mail. It's pretty important to be able to collaborate with people who are not as willing to discard Windows at my job. I support Linux/OSS with both my participation and cash.
The new Evolution, included in Ubuntu 9.04, uses MAPI to interact with Exchange, it no longer needs OWA.
MAPI still needs to be enabled on the Exchange server. AFAIK, it's "off" by default. Also, the security/e-mail folks are somewhat particular about following audit requirements, and enabling services "not required". Not that I blame them, but it only leaves me the VM option.
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I was not intending to comment on this particular case. I was commenting on the flip-flop. Ray corrected that thought in saying the RIAA/MPAA lawyers we recused for 2 years, so there is no flip-flop. And also, it's not so much a wish to punish, as much as a wish to understand how they get to do that in the first place. I do see your point, and agree in large part with the sentiment.
These guys argued the other side forever, they *should* know how to tear that apart now.
If they knew how to tear it apart, and they did by my understanding of the brief, then they knew the original case was flawed. If the case was flawed, a reasonable person or persons would not attempt such a case in the first place with the intent on 'winning'. If they are not trying to win, then is it a fair and reasonable use of the courts for these ulterior motive shenanigans? Are there penalties for such behavior?
I guess I'm also wondering if this suddenoutbreakofcommonsense has implications in current or future litigation where the RIAA/MPAA or other content redistributors are the plaintiff.
one free one riddled with many annoying ads and pop-ups
We have ways around pop-ups and ads.
Not that it matters, newspapers are dead anyways. Let them die with thanks for many years of service and fulfilling a societal need. Unfortunately, we don't need newspapers as a content medium anymore
If newspapers remain a for-profit business, the business model is dead. Even if newspapers were solely bare-bones, fact gathering, unbiased reporters of the news, and non-profit, they still have a tough business model to break even. They are inconvenient, oft 'old news' by the time they reach my door, and a hassle to dispose of.
If they want to glom together and create 1 paywall for all, fine. I'm in, as long as they take note of what happens to content providers (cough-RIAA-cough-cough) who look for ways to get rich really fast, instead of just get rich. Give us your reasonable paywall without DRM, without format or device constraints, and without trying to screw us. Give us your news, if thats the intent. If your intent is solely to your bottom line (see: RIAA), then goodluckwiththat.
We want this device to be in your TV, your stereo system, your DVD player.'"
Stay out.
I don't want your DRM, behavior/preference capturing, profiling, or any other implementation of your nitwit schemes on my gear.
You cannot just throw DLC at me, and expect that I don't know what you're really trying to do.
whoosh
but they didn't ruin the place like most recent outgoing group did.
Pelosi ... still there ... still there ... still there ... still there ... got promoted ... still there
Dodd
Frank
Kennedy
Obama
I don't get it. Were you making a joke?
You want everything available on system A to be on system B.
Yes. You don't buy a car with 2 wheels and intend to use it for your daily commute do you?
And don't split hairs; the "shortcoming of Linux", in the context presented clearly means the shortcomings of switching to to Linux. Nobody should be blaming the OS because the applications aren't there. But the fact that the apps aren't there, in some interpretations of the topic, "Why Linux is not ready for the desktop", is 100% why the title is correct.
Remember bashing on Macs in the 80's because there was no integration with token ring, office apps, and most prominently, games? Should sound like a familiar story, key component being games.
Let's also not forget that virtual machines have been the main selling point of mainframe systems since the 1960's.
For desktops? No.
I make no bones about running VMs in the server space. That's common sense.
The definition of "desktop" needs clarity.
If by desktop you mean work productivity, then I would argue that Linux is there. I use it almost exclusively for work. Mail is still a hassle (at times), but tfor the most part I have separated my work life from Windows.
If by desktop you mean everything else I can do with Windows, then Linux is not there. I cannot run "my games" in a VM, nor will I run Windows in a VM under Linux to play my games. My father will not install a VM to use the Ham radio software he's been using since Windows 95. My mother will not install a VM on her new laptop to review the tax records.
I may be brick-headed about this, but it makes no sense to me to use a VM as a compatibility mode when the VM is just as useful (arguably more so, since the VM is a superset) of the host.
Have you used Windows much this last decade? Crashes are rare nowadays - in fact, in the past five years, my Windows servers have turned out to be more reliable than my Linux servers (I and my collegues administer hundreds of each).
Yes.
We reboot the windows servers weekly because of various problems (and they basically only run IIS). In addition we seem to have to apply patches often to keep them running. There is plenty of automation around those tasks.
I didn't have to build that kind of automation into rebooting linux/sun boxes, because there is no need. Our shop is 3 admins for 400+ Unix servers and 10 guys for 400+ Windows servers. Do the math.
Hint: I'm writing on /., they are on the phone with Dell.
And how is a computer any better than putting it on a smaller, simpler USB drive to pull from later when you need it?
I have a PNY 32GB USB drive. It may not be good forever, but with a little software maintenance like backups and syncing, I don't expect to run out of space anytime soon.
I am not convinced web based document and file services provide me a level of security, and accessibility for the trade-off of convenience I can live with.
VMs on the desktop are a hack to make up for the shortcomings of Linux, not a solution.
It's extremely silly to even think that VMs are a viable long term solution, not just because the the topic is "Linux is not ready for the Desktop", but probably more because Mom and Pop will not install and configure a VM when Windows 'just works'.
^^ +1
It boggles my mind why every apple-cheeked teenager on the planet zOMG-NEEDS a digital copy of some of the shit they buy/torrent/share. Album covers were cool in my day (disclaimer: Eddie. 'nuff said), now, most times, you don't even get that with a DL. You get the song, which is overplayed on the radio, and wears itself out in 3 weeks.
ZOMG. I'm old.
My library doesn't have cameras on the copier.
The bottom line here is that it is relatively simple to make very it difficult for the local crimin^H^H^H^H^H^Hcops to determine who printed what, where, and who the 'who' is. I don't believe it would ever be "impossible" for the police to find out, however.
Print it at the UPS store, Staples, or the local document copier. Geez, simple problem, simple answer, guys.
The practical effect of this will be nil; anyone who wants to advertise prostitution will just find another web site, probably one located outside the USA.
Don't underestimate the ability for current CL users to 'create' their own language when posting ads.
My guess; not much changes in the 'services', just what they are called.
Geez....how are they gonna convince someone to let them load this crap on their computer?
Sony.
what about the time the trains/busses waste?
- Time waiting for the damned thing to arrive
- Time waiting for the really-really important cargo train to have the right-of-way on the track you're on
- Time traveling to or from train/bus stations
- Time spent traveling really slowly on inclement weather days
I find it amusing an ironic that this report comes from 'Boston; where the notorious MBTA (Most Broken Trains Anywhere) is so horribly ineffective, it's not even funny. I guess if they compare it to rush hour on the Mass Pike, they may have a case.
Yes, I was addicted to EFNET and I had tired of the 'winnukes' (port139 Windows NETBIOS DoS), ping floods, and all the other Windows based problems that caused "error 42: connection reset by peer".
I tried BSD 4.2(??), and RedHat 4 (again, ??) Those memories are pretty slim, though.
Ironically, the second thing I did was compile coke.c, and pepsi.c. Heh.
Thank you. I found good stuff in the other links posted as well.
Thanks for the links. I was looking on a Fedora system with yum search, which is why I hadn't seen it. Seems specific to ubuntu, which I'm looking at now.
Thanks again.
Good stuff. It's not in the Fedora release yet. I'm looking at the ubuntu stuff now, I won't be able to really check until Monday though.
Thanks.
Err, maybe it's IMAP that needs to be enabled. Heh. I've been wrong before.
Unless I'm reading your comment wrong...
I thought it was clear that I can do every aspect of my work and home computing on Linux (for that matter I could use Solaris SPARc or X86, except for one aspect. Mail. It's pretty important to be able to collaborate with people who are not as willing to discard Windows at my job. I support Linux/OSS with both my participation and cash.
If I misunderstood, please explain.
The new Evolution, included in Ubuntu 9.04, uses MAPI to interact with Exchange, it no longer needs OWA.
MAPI still needs to be enabled on the Exchange server. AFAIK, it's "off" by default. Also, the security/e-mail folks are somewhat particular about following audit requirements, and enabling services "not required". Not that I blame them, but it only leaves me the VM option.