I wonder Google does not have some simple way for those of us who are savvy enough to recognise span or malware sites to indicate so in the search results. Those results so indicated could be have their page ranking reduced or be hidden until they were checked.
I realize this could be abused and have no idea what the signal to noise ratio would be but it would be interesting to see how this worked..
Interestingly enough the original complaint mentions the infringing web site by the right url - see section 8, but then goes on to accuse the other website !
If you come up with an identical work independently, it's yours. Copyrights govern the actual act of copying, not the nature of the work as such.
So if I write a program to produce every possible combination of words in the English language with a total number of words in each between say 30,000 and 600,000 , I will have my own copyright free version of every English language novel ever written including all the Harry Potter series? Come to think of it I will have the copyright on every English novel yet to be written.
Better get started on that plan now, shame the number of possible combinations is probably more that the total number of atoms in the universe but I'm sure we'll find a work round for that.
"Not a big surprise. During the integration meetings between Sun and Oracle where we were being grilled about the patent situation between Sun and Google, we could see the Oracle lawyer's eyes sparkle"
And yet more money get syphoned out of the IT industry into the lawyers pockets. Sigh
But sometimes those who make big mistakes are less likely to make big mistakes in the future........
But that does rather rely on there being some downside to making the mistake. The current corporate culture of " we need someone to blame for this. You are the sacrificial goat. But here is $200 mil so you don't sue us and bring the real culprit out in court" is hardly likely to prove much of a deterrent.
Ah I hadn't realized that either - I'd missed the attribution and the end of the Wired article, though I was puzzled by the difference in styles between the two shots.
We still don't know whether Wired had any arrangement to use the first shot. Much as it's an interesting shot it's not the sort photo I'd expect to have to pay good money to use - It's got at least three major faults that would probably prevent it being accepted by a stock photo agency.
But the point is the original AC has shot himself in the foot, after getting the crowd whipped up into a frenzy and lusting for blood they've all wondered off home now there is no witch to burn.
If he's protecting his copyrights as diligently as he did his research here I'm not surprised he's not getting paid.
Yes OK he did not actually say it was his, but it was implied that was why he was getting all uppity about it and most people on here have assumed it was his photo.
But if a man who knows all about licensing can't work out whether a picture is displayed on a website using a valid licence or not what chance have has you average less savvy website owner?
As a photographer myself who has a few photos on stock image sites, though not one who depends on it for his livelihood, I would consider a site like Boing Boing to be within the non-commercial provisions of the CC NC licence. Even though it may make money from advertising I would suspect it's not a huge amount.
My take on it is, if the owner of the website feels he is making enough money from it to be able to afford to pay me then he should. I know that's relying on the good side of human nature but that's rather implied in the whole CC licensing idea.
Boing Boing put it back because they had The photographer's permission to use it outside of it's normal licence. The original poster is a troll trying to make them look bad.
Just go's to show you shouldn't believe everything you read, even (especially ?) if it's on/.
Yes I realize this, but I was just using it as an excuse to post a link to a video of a really cute girl - something for all those Slashdoters in their proverbial mum's basement - sadly I'm old enough to have my own basement now.......
Now I am contracting at one because I can't win a bid against these pirates as their overhead is much lower than mine because of this.
But if we carry this to it's logical conclusion does' that mean that eventually all businesses who license things legitimately will be unable to compete, therefore get no work and go bust. So the only people left are the Pirates so the software companies all go bust too.
Or maybe just the whole of the US will go bust and all the work will flow to those counties with a laxer attitude to copyrights.
I hope things will get a little more organized once we have a clear idea whether the original data is going to be available to us
I too have a website we could use , I'm currently putting up versions of some of the things that have been suggested here. It's at http://pc-cafe.co.uk/mr
The TM application is written in "C", and is based on an ISAM/Network database manager I wrote in the late 1980's. The code is highly portable, and versions exist for MS-DOS, Windows NT and several flavors of UNIX. I also run it on my HP Palmtop. The version running on this site is a Win32 console application.
Which just goes to show I should not trust either my memory or what people tell me. Sadly it also indicates the data is in an unknown and probably unique implantation of ISAM.
If you could scape the site, I would have done it years ago. Unfortunately the programmer built in anti-scraping technology to the program to "protect his data". If you issue too many sequential requests it locks your IP out - Permanently ! I discovered this about 8 years ago when I was doing some manual scraping and it did it to me.
if you look at the site ( http://index.mrmag.com/ ) on the wayback machine you can see the strange error you get - it locked that out too!
We are putting pressure on the current owners to make it available, as they have suffered a certain amount of bad publicity over this, but so far to no avail. They did purchase the program for real money 10 years ago, but the fact that they are unable to run it should indicate to them it has little or no value now.
My thoughts have been on the lines of running it on some old PC hanging off some ADSL line with dynamic DNS but virtualization may be a better idea. Does anyone offer virtual private servers that run Dos?
OK the hobby is model railroading and the index was at http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe but was removed , without warning, last week so there is not a lot to see.
We do not have the full text of the article online , all we have is its title, author and some manually created keywords. It's necessary to have access to the physical magazine to read the content of the article, but this is a hobby(model railroading) where many clubs and individuals have vast libraries often spanning 5 or 6 decades of monthly magazines.
All the solutions I could find seemed to be based, like those two, on indexing the text of the articles.
It would be much better if we did have the text as well, but as I said there is the minor problem of copyright. The fact that the index has been run for the last 10 years by the major (dead tree) publisher is this field has also discouraged development in this direction.
But does it scare pirates? If , just for a change I might use a car analogy, it's rather like speeding. Most people who do it know if they get caught they will be fined. But they also know there are so many people doing it that the authorities can't possibly catch any significant percentage of the people doing this and so they keep doing it as there is every chance the will get away with it. Those that do it more may take precautions, buy a radar gun or a VPN connection to further reduce the chances of being caught.
I also think that for all for publicity this campaign has generated, for every filesharer that said " Shit, I can get a humongous fine , I'm going to stop doing this" there are five non filesharers that have said " Wow man, you mean I could get all that music for free". RIAA, let me introduce you to Ms. Streisand.
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It's a shame you posted that as an AC - it would be a waste of my mod points to mod it "funny but all too true".
That is if I had any mod points.....
But then that's another truism of the web - lots of people promising things the can't deliver.
I wonder Google does not have some simple way for those of us who are savvy enough to recognise span or malware sites to indicate so in the search results. Those results so indicated could be have their page ranking reduced or be hidden until they were checked.
I realize this could be abused and have no idea what the signal to noise ratio would be but it would be interesting to see how this worked..
Interestingly enough the original complaint mentions the infringing web site by the right url - see section 8, but then goes on to accuse the other website !
Doesn't matter.
If you come up with an identical work independently, it's yours. Copyrights govern the actual act of copying, not the nature of the work as such.
So if I write a program to produce every possible combination of words in the English language with a total number of words in each between say 30,000 and 600,000 , I will have my own copyright free version of every English language novel ever written including all the Harry Potter series? Come to think of it I will have the copyright on every English novel yet to be written.
Better get started on that plan now, shame the number of possible combinations is probably more that the total number of atoms in the universe but I'm sure we'll find a work round for that.
I wonder if this could be as big and as interesting(for the geek community) a fight as SCO v Novell
There's an interesting comment on James Gosling's blog http://nighthacks.com/roller/jag/entry/the_shit_finally_hits_the
"Not a big surprise. During the integration meetings between Sun and Oracle where we were being grilled about the patent situation between Sun and Google, we could see the Oracle lawyer's eyes sparkle"
And yet more money get syphoned out of the IT industry into the lawyers pockets. Sigh
But sometimes those who make big mistakes are less likely to make big mistakes in the future........
But that does rather rely on there being some downside to making the mistake. The current corporate culture of " we need someone to blame for this. You are the sacrificial goat. But here is $200 mil so you don't sue us and bring the real culprit out in court" is hardly likely to prove much of a deterrent.
Ah I hadn't realized that either - I'd missed the attribution and the end of the Wired article, though I was puzzled by the difference in styles between the two shots.
We still don't know whether Wired had any arrangement to use the first shot. Much as it's an interesting shot it's not the sort photo I'd expect to have to pay good money to use - It's got at least three major faults that would probably prevent it being accepted by a stock photo agency.
But the point is the original AC has shot himself in the foot, after getting the crowd whipped up into a frenzy and lusting for blood they've all wondered off home now there is no witch to burn.
If he's protecting his copyrights as diligently as he did his research here I'm not surprised he's not getting paid.
Yes OK he did not actually say it was his, but it was implied that was why he was getting all uppity about it and most people on here have assumed it was his photo.
But if a man who knows all about licensing can't work out whether a picture is displayed on a website using a valid licence or not what chance have has you average less savvy website owner?
As a photographer myself who has a few photos on stock image sites, though not one who depends on it for his livelihood, I would consider a site like Boing Boing to be within the non-commercial provisions of the CC NC licence. Even though it may make money from advertising I would suspect it's not a huge amount.
My take on it is, if the owner of the website feels he is making enough money from it to be able to afford to pay me then he should. I know that's relying on the good side of human nature but that's rather implied in the whole CC licensing idea.
Boing Boing put it back because they had The photographer's permission to use it outside of it's normal licence. The original poster is a troll trying to make them look bad.
Just go's to show you shouldn't believe everything you read, even (especially ?) if it's on /.
not if you buy a second hand car
Yes I realize this, but I was just using it as an excuse to post a link to a video of a really cute girl - something for all those Slashdoters in their proverbial mum's basement - sadly I'm old enough to have my own basement now.......
No he doesn't, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFyY2mK8pxk - and as an added bonus you get a very nice piece of thinking man's crumpet as well.
Maybe this will help other under-represented sections of society to consider joining the open source developer community.
The vast majority of developers are still white and male, women in particular are still in short supply see - http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/58218
Now I am contracting at one because I can't win a bid against these pirates as their overhead is much lower than mine because of this.
But if we carry this to it's logical conclusion does' that mean that eventually all businesses who license things legitimately will be unable to compete, therefore get no work and go bust. So the only people left are the Pirates so the software companies all go bust too.
Or maybe just the whole of the US will go bust and all the work will flow to those counties with a laxer attitude to copyrights.
At the moment things are a little fragmented but we seem to be congregating on this thread http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/discountinued_mag_index
I hope things will get a little more organized once we have a clear idea whether the original data is going to be available to us
I too have a website we could use , I'm currently putting up versions of some of the things that have been suggested here. It's at http://pc-cafe.co.uk/mr
Your right it is. A visit to the wayback machine found this page- http://web.archive.org/web/20070626092758/www.index.mrmag.com/tm.exe?tmpl=tm_info
Nn which is written -
The TM application is written in "C", and is based on an ISAM/Network database manager I wrote in the late 1980's. The code is highly portable, and versions exist for MS-DOS, Windows NT and several flavors of UNIX. I also run it on my HP Palmtop. The version running on this site is a Win32 console application.
Which just goes to show I should not trust either my memory or what people tell me. Sadly it also indicates the data is in an unknown and probably unique implantation of ISAM.
If you could scape the site, I would have done it years ago. Unfortunately the programmer built in anti-scraping technology to the program to "protect his data". If you issue too many sequential requests it locks your IP out - Permanently ! I discovered this about 8 years ago when I was doing some manual scraping and it did it to me.
if you look at the site ( http://index.mrmag.com/ ) on the wayback machine you can see the strange error you get - it locked that out too!
It's a DOS program that runs on the server, rather like a CGI script. It's output is a web page.
It is bit of a throw back to the dawn of the web when people thought up innovative ways to do things.
As of now it is not available.
We are putting pressure on the current owners to make it available, as they have suffered a certain amount of bad publicity over this, but so far to no avail. They did purchase the program for real money 10 years ago, but the fact that they are unable to run it should indicate to them it has little or no value now.
My thoughts have been on the lines of running it on some old PC hanging off some ADSL line with dynamic DNS but virtualization may be a better idea. Does anyone offer virtual private servers that run Dos?
OK the hobby is model railroading and the index was at http://index.mrmag.com/tm.exe but was removed , without warning, last week so there is not a lot to see.
Yes, you did misunderstand.
We do not have the full text of the article online , all we have is its title, author and some manually created keywords. It's necessary to have access to the physical magazine to read the content of the article, but this is a hobby(model railroading) where many clubs and individuals have vast libraries often spanning 5 or 6 decades of monthly magazines.
All the solutions I could find seemed to be based, like those two, on indexing the text of the articles.
It would be much better if we did have the text as well, but as I said there is the minor problem of copyright. The fact that the index has been run for the last 10 years by the major (dead tree) publisher is this field has also discouraged development in this direction.
I also think that for all for publicity this campaign has generated, for every filesharer that said " Shit, I can get a humongous fine , I'm going to stop doing this" there are five non filesharers that have said " Wow man, you mean I could get all that music for free". RIAA, let me introduce you to Ms. Streisand.
This is just a wild thought, but could the court have done this to protect the RIAA from their own lawyers?
I see a new business opportunity here - the rise of the Sentence troll !
No only a civil exchange, but part of it was a civil, considered reply from an AC........