Let me guess: [sarcasm]you must be a developer or coder[/sarcasm].
You just answered how things should be ideally, but you still didn't get what I said. Read it again and get it through your head. (pardon the typos, it's an unGodly hour right now where I live)
The web is RULED BY DESIGNERS.
Designers easily realize those things you said if you explain it to them, but the fact remains: not all of them can learn/are equipped to be coders and they just don't have the tools to bang out HTML5 websites/Interactive CD/DVD-ROMs in the same amount of time they can do it in Flash.
You should try interactive web design some time and have some big clients (for example, Nike, Motorola) who want whiz-bang shiny websites that have sound-enabled buttons + video (cue linux crowd/minimalist developer groans) delivered on ridiculously short timelines. No way can some of those be done in a timely manner in HTML5 right now with the tools available (text editor.)
The short answer on whether HTML5 will kill flash is summarized here: IsFlashDead.com.
re: Mouseover not working with touchscreen devices: HTML5 won't solve that problem. Both HTML5 and Flash apps need to be written with the tap=click no hover paradigm.
Steve & HTML5 pundits are presenting a false problem that their solution (HTML5) does not fix by itself. The solution to the mouseover problem is simply the same for both HTML5 and Flash.
What's more, HTML5 has no native support for multi-touch which newer touch-screen devices have (well, there's Sproutcore but it doesn't work everywhere). Flash 10.1 has support for both tmulti-touch and mouse gestures.
People fail to see one very very big factor in the silly HTML5 vs Flash debate:
The web is ruled by web DESIGNERS and not developers/coders.
Unless someone comes up with a tool that does the same dynamic websites, animations, vector image drawing etc in HTML5 with the ease that non-coder designers can do in Flash, you won't be seeing Flash dying anytime soon.
Moreover, Adobe is in the business of selling creative authoring tools and not directly with Flash itself.
What gives? Google applied for the patent in 2004, but I've been seeing IP Address-based geolocation-targeted ads since way before 2004. You'd be served different different ads depending on where you lived based on your IP address.
I love that GPS game where people broadcast to the entire web on Foursquare/Twitter that they're not home so you rob their houses blind!:D http://pleaserobme.com
There was this magnificent mathematical horse. You could teach it arithmetic, which it learned with no difficulty, algebra was a breeze, it could even prove theorems in euclidean geometry, but when you tried to teach it analytic geometry, it would rear back on its hind legs, kick ferociously neigh loudly and make violent head motions in resistance.
The moral of this story is that you can't put Descartes before de horse.
Does HTML5 allows you to play video with some advertisement in a running text over it?
Sure. Just use a CSS layer.
Not if you're embedding 3rd-party videos on stuff like blogs, forums, etc the way people embed Youtube et al right now. Flash is great because it gives you a little widget that shows you a whole lot of options like contextual links, etc when embedded in 3rd party websites, giving the viewer the ability to check out related videos,etc.
Hardcore Flash games I can see and some super heavy duty flash "applications", but so often this can be done in HTML with CSS/AJAX.
You obviously are not a game developer and are talking out of your ass. "Easy to port HARCORE Flash Games often to CSS" my ass. CSS/AJAX has no equivalent for the timeline-based animation which makes putting animated stuff in Flash games so easy. Also, Flash has an excellent multi-channel sound API, something which is very rudimentary on HTML/Javascript. Sound is an important part of many games these days for the user experience, and Flash gives developers and the user good access to this.
Also, doing stuff in Javascript/CSS bloats the hell out of downloads since the interpreted Javascript code is in plaintext, unlike Flash which compresses it down to bytecode. Moreover, games built on the Flash platform can be made in a single SWF package which you can redistribute and embed to a whole bunch of different sites, unlike a DHTML-based game. Sure, you can build arcade games with Javascript/CSS, but they will not match the richness and features of Flash games.
Other stuff HTML5 doesn't have: support for microphone, webcam, multi-touch, accurate percentage loaded (down to single bytes) of assets (for preloaders which are important to the user so they can see accurate download progress and see when they can start using the apps), or client peer-to-peer support. Flash does. Let's see you try running relatively complex animated true-3D polygon models with texture mapping *at decent framerates* in DHTML too.
Yeah? That's what I thought. Flash is NOT YET dead.
They've also got it running for Blackberry and Palm Pre. Symbian has been running Flash Lite for some time now, so you'll also see Flash 10.1 and AIR coming to it. Browser Flash has running on Maemo for some time too, so no problem there.
Yes, Adobe's reluctance to support any platform other than a PC is the main reason why I think Flash should die a horrible (but quick) death
On the contrary, Adobe has been making a major effort to provide Flash for every single device and modern OS out there (The Open Screen Project).
The fruits of this can now be seen at the Mobile World Congress where they're showing Flash 10.1 and AIR running on a whole bunch of mobile and internet devices.
Check out the list of Adobe Open Screen partners (the only one missing is Apple who refuses to have Flash run on the iPhone and iPad, so Adobe got around that by providing export to native iPhone apps with Flash CS5)
It was about Larry Masinter, Adobe's representative at W3C proposing that progress of HTML5 in W3C could be faster if the subsections on graphics and metadata could (if not now, then eventually) be moved to separate subgroups focused on those topics.
Yeah, but Chrome's HTML5 youtube video player doesn't support fullscreen and lacks a proper indicator of how much of the video has already been streamed to your browser cache. The Flash version is snappier and snazzyer.
Unless all the mobile phone makers settle on one GUI toolkit such as GTK, Qt, etc., there is no easy way for one app developer to target all the phones out there.
Interesting thing I see about rear-touchpad is that your finger won't obscure the display. That's one problem when building apps for touchscreen such as games, because your big clunky fingers will get in the way of seeing stuff like small targets onscreen.
I've had the pleasure of getting my hands on a One Laptop Per Child XO-1 laptop (which uses a Pixel Qi display).
I'm relatively sure they were shooting it in color backlit mode in that footage. When you put a Pixel Qi display in sunlight/under bright lights, it'll look like classic black and white LCD even when the backlight is on. When you move it back into the shade/low-light, you'll see the backlit pixels in color again. The nice thing about it is that even if you don't turn off the backlight, it'll still be sunlight readable.
Even nicer is that if you turn off the backlight, the display will look like those old black & white Nintendo Game & Watch or Gameboy LCDs and it consumes so little power, extending battery life tons.
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Hey bro. Good Flash developers know when *NOT* to use Flash. Cheerio!
Let me guess: [sarcasm]you must be a developer or coder[/sarcasm].
You just answered how things should be ideally, but you still didn't get what I said. Read it again and get it through your head. (pardon the typos, it's an unGodly hour right now where I live)
The web is RULED BY DESIGNERS.
Designers easily realize those things you said if you explain it to them, but the fact remains: not all of them can learn/are equipped to be coders and they just don't have the tools to bang out HTML5 websites/Interactive CD/DVD-ROMs in the same amount of time they can do it in Flash.
You should try interactive web design some time and have some big clients (for example, Nike, Motorola) who want whiz-bang shiny websites that have sound-enabled buttons + video (cue linux crowd/minimalist developer groans) delivered on ridiculously short timelines. No way can some of those be done in a timely manner in HTML5 right now with the tools available (text editor.)
The short answer on whether HTML5 will kill flash is summarized here:
IsFlashDead.com.
Cheerios and have a nice weekend!
re: Mouseover not working with touchscreen devices: HTML5 won't solve that problem. Both HTML5 and Flash apps need to be written with the tap=click no hover paradigm.
Steve & HTML5 pundits are presenting a false problem that their solution (HTML5) does not fix by itself. The solution to the mouseover problem is simply the same for both HTML5 and Flash.
What's more, HTML5 has no native support for multi-touch which newer touch-screen devices have (well, there's Sproutcore but it doesn't work everywhere). Flash 10.1 has support for both tmulti-touch and mouse gestures.
People fail to see one very very big factor in the silly HTML5 vs Flash debate:
The web is ruled by web DESIGNERS and not developers/coders.
Unless someone comes up with a tool that does the same dynamic websites, animations, vector image drawing etc in HTML5 with the ease that non-coder designers can do in Flash, you won't be seeing Flash dying anytime soon.
Moreover, Adobe is in the business of selling creative authoring tools and not directly with Flash itself.
As such, with HTML5 as an emerging standard, Adobe is now going try to make the best darn-tootin' tools for creating HTML5 content according to Adobe's CTO Kevin Lynch.
No, the most significant security hole in web browsing is people. PEBKAC.
In reality, as a soldier I could disobey my orders and go exploring around the other side. I could be cowardly and turn back to base.
In fact, I can even start shooting my own teammates when they aren't looking just for fun!
These Brit hooligans should be thankful. At least they're not being subjected to Metallica. Oh the humanity!
What gives? Google applied for the patent in 2004, but I've been seeing IP Address-based geolocation-targeted ads since way before 2004. You'd be served different different ads depending on where you lived based on your IP address.
How is this different?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geolocation_software
I love that GPS game where people broadcast to the entire web on Foursquare/Twitter that they're not home so you rob their houses blind! :D http://pleaserobme.com
There was this magnificent mathematical horse. You could teach it arithmetic, which it learned with no difficulty, algebra was a breeze, it could even prove theorems in euclidean geometry, but when you tried to teach it analytic geometry, it would rear back on its hind legs, kick ferociously neigh loudly and make violent head motions in resistance.
The moral of this story is that you can't put Descartes before de horse.
*ducks*
Hey, if you're going to make a character that you're going to be staring at for a long time, it might as well be something you can enjoy stare at!
Your complain is like signing up to a dating site and then complaining how the girls won't leave you alone.
girls? it's the men who won't leave me alone that bother me! *shudder*
Now that's what I'm tolkien about!
When will there be a final HTML 5 standard to support?
Seriously? In 2022. Read it and weep. http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/HTML_5_Won_t_Be_Ready_Until_2022DOT_Yes__2022DOT
:D
Meanwhile, you should see wider adoption of it by 2012, which is when the world ends.
Cheers!
Does HTML5 allows you to play video with some advertisement in a running text over it?
Sure. Just use a CSS layer.
Not if you're embedding 3rd-party videos on stuff like blogs, forums, etc the way people embed Youtube et al right now. Flash is great because it gives you a little widget that shows you a whole lot of options like contextual links, etc when embedded in 3rd party websites, giving the viewer the ability to check out related videos,etc.
Hardcore Flash games I can see and some super heavy duty flash "applications", but so often this can be done in HTML with CSS/AJAX.
You obviously are not a game developer and are talking out of your ass. "Easy to port HARCORE Flash Games often to CSS" my ass. CSS/AJAX has no equivalent for the timeline-based animation which makes putting animated stuff in Flash games so easy. Also, Flash has an excellent multi-channel sound API, something which is very rudimentary on HTML/Javascript. Sound is an important part of many games these days for the user experience, and Flash gives developers and the user good access to this.
Also, doing stuff in Javascript/CSS bloats the hell out of downloads since the interpreted Javascript code is in plaintext, unlike Flash which compresses it down to bytecode. Moreover, games built on the Flash platform can be made in a single SWF package which you can redistribute and embed to a whole bunch of different sites, unlike a DHTML-based game. Sure, you can build arcade games with Javascript/CSS, but they will not match the richness and features of Flash games.
Other stuff HTML5 doesn't have: support for microphone, webcam, multi-touch, accurate percentage loaded (down to single bytes) of assets (for preloaders which are important to the user so they can see accurate download progress and see when they can start using the apps), or client peer-to-peer support. Flash does. Let's see you try running relatively complex animated true-3D polygon models with texture mapping *at decent framerates* in DHTML too.
Yeah? That's what I thought. Flash is NOT YET dead.
When will Flash 10.1 be available for my Android G1 phone?
AIR and Flash Player coming for Android and Mobile Devices. Adobe has been showing demo videos of Flash running on Android phones since last year. This week at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, they showed Flash 10.1 and AIR 2.0 running on a whole number of devices. It's running on the Motorola Droid, Google Nexus One and other new Android phones like the HTC Desire & Legend.
They've also got it running for Blackberry and Palm Pre. Symbian has been running Flash Lite for some time now, so you'll also see Flash 10.1 and AIR coming to it. Browser Flash has running on Maemo for some time too, so no problem there.
Yes, Adobe's reluctance to support any platform other than a PC is the main reason why I think Flash should die a horrible (but quick) death
On the contrary, Adobe has been making a major effort to provide Flash for every single device and modern OS out there (The Open Screen Project). The fruits of this can now be seen at the Mobile World Congress where they're showing Flash 10.1 and AIR running on a whole bunch of mobile and internet devices. Check out the list of Adobe Open Screen partners (the only one missing is Apple who refuses to have Flash run on the iPhone and iPad, so Adobe got around that by providing export to native iPhone apps with Flash CS5)
Please stop spreading FUD about Adobe blocking HTML5.
Read the full story about what really happened here:
http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2010/02/adobe_is_sabotaging_html5.html
It was about Larry Masinter, Adobe's representative at W3C proposing that progress of HTML5 in W3C could be faster if the subsections on graphics and metadata could (if not now, then eventually) be moved to separate subgroups focused on those topics.
Read more at Larry Masinter's blog.
http://masinter.blogspot.com
Yeah, but Chrome's HTML5 youtube video player doesn't support fullscreen and lacks a proper indicator of how much of the video has already been streamed to your browser cache. The Flash version is snappier and snazzyer.
Unless all the mobile phone makers settle on one GUI toolkit such as GTK, Qt, etc., there is no easy way for one app developer to target all the phones out there.
Say hello to Adobe AIR 2.0 on mobile. Flash/Flex/Javascript developers will soon be able to deploy their apps everywhere
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Adobe-Unveils-AIR-on-Mobile-bw-730511059.html?x=0&.v=1
All major phone manufacturers & platforms except for Apple will be supporting it by late 2010.
http://www.openscreenproject.org/partners/current_partners.html
For iPhone and iPad, you can use Flash CS5 to build native iPhone apps, so your project can easily be published for iPhone OS too.
http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashcs5/appsfor_iphone/
Microsoft sells 'em Windows 9 of course! :D More saved lives = more customers! Get um while they're young!
Interesting thing I see about rear-touchpad is that your finger won't obscure the display. That's one problem when building apps for touchscreen such as games, because your big clunky fingers will get in the way of seeing stuff like small targets onscreen.
I've had the pleasure of getting my hands on a One Laptop Per Child XO-1 laptop (which uses a Pixel Qi display).
I'm relatively sure they were shooting it in color backlit mode in that footage. When you put a Pixel Qi display in sunlight/under bright lights, it'll look like classic black and white LCD even when the backlight is on. When you move it back into the shade/low-light, you'll see the backlit pixels in color again. The nice thing about it is that even if you don't turn off the backlight, it'll still be sunlight readable.
Even nicer is that if you turn off the backlight, the display will look like those old black & white Nintendo Game & Watch or Gameboy LCDs and it consumes so little power, extending battery life tons.
Initially, Flattr plans to take a 10% cut of any cash paid as an administration fee. But, said Mr Sunde, it hopes to push that percentage lower as people sign up.
Nice try, Mr.Sunde. 10% is a lot of cash!
looks like this could take Smart Dust closer to viability http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_dust
80085 !