Why did you expect ESR to reply? I specifically asked for Bruce's input since I have known him to read and post on slashdot, and since this story directly mentioned him.
Bruce, I know you read./ and post from time to time. I would be interested in your take on this comment. If this turns out true, what are the possible implications from this?
While I agree with much of what you just said, I am a selfish person. I have a family and a somewhat normal life, and I do not want anyone messing that up. If someone is a killer, or rapist, or whathaveyou, I want them out of society. I could care less what their reason for being this way is (mom drank, mental illness, was picked on as a kid, previous generations were slaves, etc.), I will protect myself from them.
I believe we have an obligation as a society to find out why these people are like this to prevent others from turning to a life of crime. However, once someone kills someone else, I have no intrest in rehibilitating them. They may become a normal productive member of society, they may go out an kill someone else again. Is another innocent life worth the risk? No.
Case in point, someone breaks into my house while I am there, they will die. I'm not interested in how to "save" the person who is threatening me, I'm interested in protecting my life. Like I said, I'm selfish, my and my family's safety comes first.
Am I politically incorrect? probably. But there are many like me.
Bottom line, Severe punishment (capital or life sentence) DOES deter crime. That people is not going to threaten a member of society again.
Finkployd
(Good thing the moderators don't look this high, we are WAY off topic:)
That was not their origional intent, somewhere along the line we decided to remove the "punishment" aspect of it. (not due to ineffectiveness, crime was not THIS bad when we weren't so preoccupied with the criminal's rights over everyone elses)
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning that a poor state of a prision will increase the crime rate of the area around it, please explain.
We have been attmeption rehabilitation for years in this country and statistically, IT DOES NOT WORK. All it does is put a criminal back on the street (often with more knowlege of how to break the law). Look at the actual rate of criminals who are let out after being "rehabilitated" who end up right back in jail. Is it any wonder that "3 strike" laws have such public support?
True, but when your plan is to "assimilate" the entire world (or at least Europe), you imagine that will supply you with money to recoup those losses (which it would have)
If you don't think the FDA requires a hell of a lot of testing and qualification of any system that comes near a patient.
That is a good point. The scope of resposibility would include the authors of the software, and also probably the group that performs testing and certification for said programs. Any "bad" open source programs should be weeded out by the testing and approval phase, one would think.
We should also keep in mind that the Nazis' medical advances were not nearly as large in scope as their atrocities.
I agree. In fact, that was my point. And economic advances, while great, aren't going to make up for slaughtering innocent people. I'm not knocking what he has done in the economic department, I'm just saying he probably isn't going to make Time's "man of the year":)
I'm not saying all prisons have inhumane conditions, just that some do, and prison abuse (by both guard and other inmates) is a definite problem and there are many documented cases
I agree in a sense, my point was that prision (even ones with inhuman conditions) is not the first problem we should fix. There are plenty of documented cases where our government is violating human rights of people who DIDN'T break any laws. Any there is no shortage of human rights violation in the US that the government isn't causing.
I guess I would just rather see steps being taken to protect people outside of jail before we worry about the inmates.
If you think conditions in American prisons are so nice, go live in one for a couple months
No thanks, I've chosen not to. Prisions are PUNISHMENT, not apartments, they are not supposed to be nice, they are not supposed to be places you want to go.
The nazis made many useful findings that helped advance medicine (granted in an inhuman way), but nobody remembers them for that.
While not as severe, the example of this man is sort of parallel. You can do good things, but if you massacre people, don't expect to be remembered for your "positive" contrabutions.:)
every country we've bombed without U.N. permission
We are a soverign nation, we do not need UN permission. Nobody in the US voted for the UN or their leaders, therefor, they hold no "power" over us. That said, I agree that we should not have bombed many of the countries we did, but for different reasons. I'm sick of Clinton killing innocent people every time another scandal pops up to divert the news away from him. I know it sounds crazy, but the timing has been perfect for years.
inhumane prison conditions
Yes, Why I've even heard that some of our prisons only have BASIC cable!!! How do they live like that. Seriously, I don't think THAT is one of our problems, I'm way more concerned with conditions in our schools and cities.
Seriously, do you think MS is going to going to get sued if NT crashes while running some "MD Critical" program? Most closed source programs I've seen come with the same disclaimers.
Why the first post? I mean, you have to be aware that just about everyone here think it's stupid and childish. I'm not attacking in anyway, I just have ask you why you (and others) insist on doing this?
It's ok. It goes to the other extream though. I want a small fast broswer, but I still would like navigation buttons, bookmarks, etc:)
A nice idea would be to create Mozilla in a modular style, with features being loaded and unloaded as needed.....now where have I seen a program like that before?:)
It could be faster, it doesn't need all the crap that it has, just simple program that can render pages from HTML would be nice, but no. Both browsers have to layer garbage that no one actually uses into the progam.
I agree, IE is faster, but since it will be a cold day in hell before we see Linux IE, that doesn't do me much good. I'm not going to switch to a slow, unstable OS to get a fast, semi-stable browser:)
I don't think that because Microsoft's browser has a higher number it is going to be better. Now will the ignorant masses percieve it as better because of this? Probably. Kind of makes one wonder why MS didn't start IE on version 7.0 to really kick Netscape's ass.
I personally am unhappy with both browsers. They are slow, non standards complient, loaded with crap I do not need in a web browser, and crash all the time. I like the concept of Opera but I HATE MDA windows.
Oh well, time to shut up or start my own GPL'd browser project...
Fast, Faster, Fastest, Stable and Standards compliant. These other things that will return Netscape back to prominence on the desktop.
I agree, however, I do not see this in the milestone releases. I see slower, more buttons, crashing, etc.
Now I understand that Netscape has been picked on way too much lately, and that I should really complain until the actual release of 5.0, but my problem is I've used EVERY milestone, and each time I'm disappointed. The trend has been bigger, more features, and ignore current bugs until we get all our "bells and whistles" in. Even when they get all the bugs fixed, that is one huge program that has a lot of crap that a web browser does not need. I have seperate web authoring, e-mail, and newsgroup clients, thank you.
I like using patterns on the numeric keypad. Only problem, Linux likes to turn off num lock every chance it gets (you hear that Linus, forget about USB for a second and FIX THIS!:)
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I can't tell if this is offtopic or flambait. Help me out.
Finkployd
Why did you expect ESR to reply? I specifically asked for Bruce's input since I have known him to read and post on slashdot, and since this story directly mentioned him.
Finkployd
Bruce, I know you read ./ and post from time to time. I would be interested in your take on this comment. If this turns out true, what are the possible implications from this?
Finkployd
I always thought that was a pretty good movie.
"I WILL kill you" - Sting
Finkployd
Who else clicked on CyberLegs and expected to find something naughty?
...anyone?
...just me?
...nevermind
Finkployd
And in the end, punishment just doesnt matter.
:)
While I agree with much of what you just said, I am a selfish person. I have a family and a somewhat normal life, and I do not want anyone messing that up. If someone is a killer, or rapist, or whathaveyou, I want them out of society. I could care less what their reason for being this way is (mom drank, mental illness, was picked on as a kid, previous generations were slaves, etc.), I will protect myself from them.
I believe we have an obligation as a society to find out why these people are like this to prevent others from turning to a life of crime. However, once someone kills someone else, I have no intrest in rehibilitating them. They may become a normal productive member of society, they may go out an kill someone else again. Is another innocent life worth the risk? No.
Case in point, someone breaks into my house while I am there, they will die. I'm not interested in how to "save" the person who is threatening me, I'm interested in protecting my life. Like I said, I'm selfish, my and my family's safety comes first.
Am I politically incorrect? probably. But there are many like me.
Bottom line, Severe punishment (capital or life sentence) DOES deter crime. That people is not going to threaten a member of society again.
Finkployd
(Good thing the moderators don't look this high, we are WAY off topic
That was not their origional intent, somewhere along the line we decided to remove the "punishment" aspect of it. (not due to ineffectiveness, crime was not THIS bad when we weren't so preoccupied with the criminal's rights over everyone elses)
I'm not sure I follow the reasoning that a poor state of a prision will increase the crime rate of the area around it, please explain.
We have been attmeption rehabilitation for years in this country and statistically, IT DOES NOT WORK. All it does is put a criminal back on the street (often with more knowlege of how to break the law). Look at the actual rate of criminals who are let out after being "rehabilitated" who end up right back in jail. Is it any wonder that "3 strike" laws have such public support?
Finkployd
I was wondering when someone was going to realise that :)
Finkployd
True, but when your plan is to "assimilate" the entire world (or at least Europe), you imagine that will supply you with money to recoup those losses (which it would have)
Finkployd
If you don't think the FDA requires a hell of a lot of testing and qualification of any system that comes near a patient.
That is a good point.
The scope of resposibility would include the authors of the software, and also probably the group that performs testing and certification for said programs.
Any "bad" open source programs should be weeded out by the testing and approval phase, one would think.
Finkployd
We should also keep in mind that the Nazis' medical advances were not nearly as large in scope as their atrocities.
:)
I agree. In fact, that was my point.
And economic advances, while great, aren't going to make up for slaughtering innocent people. I'm not knocking what he has done in the economic department, I'm just saying he probably isn't going to make Time's "man of the year"
I'm not saying all prisons have inhumane conditions, just that some do, and prison abuse (by both guard and other inmates) is a definite problem and there are many documented cases
I agree in a sense, my point was that prision (even ones with inhuman conditions) is not the first problem we should fix. There are plenty of documented cases where our government is violating human rights of people who DIDN'T break any laws. Any there is no shortage of human rights violation in the US that the government isn't causing.
I guess I would just rather see steps being taken to protect people outside of jail before we worry about the inmates.
Finkployd
If you think conditions in American prisons are so nice, go live in one for a couple months
No thanks, I've chosen not to. Prisions are PUNISHMENT, not apartments, they are not supposed to be nice, they are not supposed to be places you want to go.
Finkployd
The nazis made many useful findings that helped advance medicine (granted in an inhuman way), but nobody remembers them for that.
:)
While not as severe, the example of this man is sort of parallel. You can do good things, but if you massacre people, don't expect to be remembered for your "positive" contrabutions.
Finkployd
every country we've bombed without U.N. permission
We are a soverign nation, we do not need UN permission. Nobody in the US voted for the UN or their leaders, therefor, they hold no "power" over us.
That said, I agree that we should not have bombed many of the countries we did, but for different reasons. I'm sick of Clinton killing innocent people every time another scandal pops up to divert the news away from him. I know it sounds crazy, but the timing has been perfect for years.
inhumane prison conditions
Yes, Why I've even heard that some of our prisons only have BASIC cable!!! How do they live like that.
Seriously, I don't think THAT is one of our problems, I'm way more concerned with conditions in our schools and cities.
Finkployd
BadlandZ, you are having a bad day aren't you?
:)
Finkployd
Seriously, do you think MS is going to going to get sued if NT crashes while running some "MD Critical" program?
Most closed source programs I've seen come with the same disclaimers.
Finkployd
Why the first post? I mean, you have to be aware that just about everyone here think it's stupid and childish. I'm not attacking in anyway, I just have ask you why you (and others) insist on doing this?
Finkployd
It's ok. :)
:)
It goes to the other extream though. I want a small fast broswer, but I still would like navigation buttons, bookmarks, etc
A nice idea would be to create Mozilla in a modular style, with features being loaded and unloaded as needed.....now where have I seen a program like that before?
Finkployd
I'm with you. That actually sounds like a great idea. Contribute to the improvment of a program without adding any code :)
Seriously, that is probably going to happen, I'll be the first to download it. Heck, I might even try my hand at doing that myself.
I still would like to see a browser from the ground up be designed to do one thing: Browse the web....and do it very fast.
Finkployd
P200 Actually
:)
It could be faster, it doesn't need all the crap that it has, just simple program that can render pages from HTML would be nice, but no. Both browsers have to layer garbage that no one actually uses into the progam.
I agree, IE is faster, but since it will be a cold day in hell before we see Linux IE, that doesn't do me much good. I'm not going to switch to a slow, unstable OS to get a fast, semi-stable browser
Finkployd
I don't think that because Microsoft's browser has a higher number it is going to be better. Now will the ignorant masses percieve it as better because of this? Probably. Kind of makes one wonder why MS didn't start IE on version 7.0 to really kick Netscape's ass.
I personally am unhappy with both browsers. They are slow, non standards complient, loaded with crap I do not need in a web browser, and crash all the time. I like the concept of Opera but I HATE MDA windows.
Oh well, time to shut up or start my own GPL'd browser project...
Finkployd
Fast, Faster, Fastest, Stable and Standards compliant. These other things that will return Netscape back to prominence on the desktop.
I agree, however, I do not see this in the milestone releases. I see slower, more buttons, crashing, etc.
Now I understand that Netscape has been picked on way too much lately, and that I should really complain until the actual release of 5.0, but my problem is I've used EVERY milestone, and each time I'm disappointed. The trend has been bigger, more features, and ignore current bugs until we get all our "bells and whistles" in.
Even when they get all the bugs fixed, that is one huge program that has a lot of crap that a web browser does not need. I have seperate web authoring, e-mail, and newsgroup clients, thank you.
Finkployd
I like using patterns on the numeric keypad. Only problem, Linux likes to turn off num lock every chance it gets (you hear that Linus, forget about USB for a second and FIX THIS! :)
Finkployd
That's incredible, I have the same combination on my luggage!
Finkployd