I'm sure they do, but appointed by who? I certinly don't remember that vote. In fact, the whole thing seems to be done so covertly, the average American (and I'll wager citizens of most other countries) have no idea what's going on or who's in charge.
In a perfect world, trust would be nice. However, we are bombarded by examples of companies and government taking advantage of us every which way. Including ways we didn't even know were possible. I think it's sad people aren't MORE paranoid, given the track record.
Washington tends to use them to pursue its own aims (privatisation of the Russian economy, credit crunches in S.E. Asia, Desert Storm and continued bombing of Iraq etc), while claiming that it's a world consensus.
Agreed, but then again it's been a long time since the US government had the best interest's of it's OWN citizens in mind.
Now, the UN/World Bank/etc. is funded by corporations. I said in a previous post that yes, these one world government orgs can rape and control a smaller country easier than the US, but I honestly think that when the time comes, our federal government will bow down and take it's marching orders from these people. Any one world government will not stand for any country to try to rule itself or have a say in it's own affairs. They know better.
BTW, since when was your government delegated by a democratic vote, anyway? In a true democracy, it doesn't cost upwards of $30 million to get elected...
We are not a true democracy, we are a Republic. And in a perfect world, Communism works too, but this world isn't perfect. Our system is very flawed, but I still feel it's better than having some group of corporations come and usurp our government to supplant one that will do their bidding.
Not what we think. Yeah, the US is a little harder to step on than a smaller country, but let's face it, the UN is in it for the UN, not any specific country. It's all about power. And not wanting you little countries to get any or have any.
Corporations pretty much control it, so when the time comes to usurp power from the US, I don't imagine we will have the backbone to stand up for ourselves, And we'll be in the same boat as you.
But hey, don't complain too loudly, or a peacekeeping operating may be directed toward your neck of the woods.
Fact remains, this is nothing more than the unsurping of hundreds of national governments by what amounts to a group of big business leaders who have only their best interest in mind.
Your point is taken, but you forget that in this "new" government we have NO say. No representatives, no elections, no recourse. At least in the US's admitedly imperfect system, we have SOME say.
And to a point, I still say the same thing about the federal government. It is way too big, and has lost touch with the people it is supposed to be the government for. It now seems to only look out for its interests, and if it's people get in the way of those interests, then some "corrective actions" are taken to fix the problem.
Three stories in a row about big business screwing over little people in a globalist setting. Very interesting. Throw in the Co$ story, and./ is becoming a dangerous, subvertive site that needs to have some government agency shut it down before it causes some civil unrest. Hear that FBI/BATF/CIA/WTO/etc? Something needs to be done about this site! Think about the children!
Ohhh, thank you WTO, that was generous of you. I'm glad that a governing body that has no right at all to tell ANY of us what to do (and was not voted in by us) has decided to be nice for a little while. I mean they could decide to charge a %50 tax on E-commerce and what could we do about it? Nothing, we are just little serfs.
I'd like to see the US just say "fuck off" to the UN, WTO, and any other pseudo-government that decides it knows how to run a country better than said country's government. None of these orgs have the US's best interest in mind, nor were they delegated by a democratic vote, so why the hell would we take these idiots seriously?
I have a feeling these riots are just the tip of the iceberg. Soverign countries are not going to take kindly to some "world government" telling them what to do.
I think it was anti-globalist. This is just one spoke in the globalist wheel. Those in power (read: big business) don't want seperate countries out there each having their own identity and making their own rules, they want a one world government (yeah, I know conspiricy theory sounding, but accurate) where coorporation run the world. Let's face it, they pretty much own the US government and many others, why not band them all together and make the rules for them. Of course, this brave new world will be very benifical to the companies that own it.
And of course, we little "citizen units" will ha happy with the life assigned to us, or else they will find us (since we will be totally monitered, and you KNOW encryption will be outlawed) and subject us to the government approved punishment.
The sad part is, I'm started writing this as a joke, but I'm not so sure I'm kidding anymore, this sounds possible. It certinly sounds like the direction we are heading.
It also sounds like I stole it from the script of the classic 70's B movie, Rollerball:)
I'd really like to know if Andover.net gets any death threats or lawyer threats over this one. The Co$ is a pretty well known cult/terrorist org and has fscked up some people I know (it doesn't pay to try to leave the Co$, kind of like the mafia)
As for Germany, good for them. If the WTO doesn't like it, fsck them! Germany is a soverign nation and they can do what they want. Sometimes in this messed up world, it's kind of nice to see a country stand up for it's ideals. It's a shame more countries don't take a stand against this money scamming cult.
I'm with you. I used to be a staunch Republician, but they don't seem to care about our rights any more than the Dems do. I look at it this way: A vote for a Republician is a vote for the second amendment. A vote for a Democrat is a vote for the first amendment. A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for all the amendments:)
Like I said, that would be up to the owners of the site. I cannot imagine them wanting to give up control of the news that gets posted on their site. How would you like it I suggested I have control over your homepage, and remove and change any links or info I fond boring.
Slashdot material is whatever Rob, Jeff, etc. want to post.
Seems all the new people forget that when Slashdot displays stuff, people who are interested in the same sort of thing come here, not the other way around.
Let's say you work at a software company, and you know something that could be benificial to the community that you want to share. However, you do not want what you say getting back to your employers (for whatever reason). This happens alot, and has happend with me in the past.
Slashdot has always had AC's and they haven't been a problem (that much) until Slashdot REALLY grew in size. Then, like an large community that welcomes all, there are bound to be idiots.
Banning AC's will not stop anything. All people will do is create accounts, still act like idiots and create new accouts if Rob deletes them (if he even does that).
Any company that is delivering any kind of service to the public has taken all the precautions that are needed
We hope. I mean, I don't predict anything dire (unless it's people's reaction to it or the govenrment's reaction to it), but why the sudden blind faith in companies?
It seems the same people who view big companies as evil and technologicaly clueless, are the first in line to attempt to persuade others that they will or have fixed the y2k problem for us.
How on earth did they clear away all the radiation?! I thought that area would deadly for many many years. I mean, the decay would take decades (centuries?) right? Is my feeble grasp of physics missing something here?
Not only that, but I thought they pretty much just built walls of cement around the reactor. Did they tunnel their way back in and switich it on?
Help me out here, if they wasn't on MSNBC, I'd swear it was some kind of prank (or at the very least, another devious plot for Bruce Perens to somehow get more Karma:)
I agree with this, I know that in the previous story about the 18 year old restriction there were many people trying to rationalize it or say it was a good way to prevent lawsuits.
The fact remains, it is a violation of a license, and this kind of stuff cannot go unchecked. Granted, it's minor, but we do not want to send the message that these open source licenses (especially GPL) can be violated in ANY way.
As more clueless companies (I honestly had hope for Corel) get into open source, we need to be really be on guard to make sure they do it correctly. This kind of thing can only get worse if left alone.
Evidently it's requires high security like Hillary Clinton's health care reform plan..."
If I recall correctly, that whole mess was declared by a judge to be illegal, and a lot of money was paid to medical doctor's groups because of it. Of course, more money was wasted on the whole thing. Have fun with her, New York:)
Protect yourself from the government with guns? Give me a break. Peasants with guns versus tanks and armies? I don't think so.
I do, perhaps you need a history lesson.
I'm going to submit some words, see if you can find the revelance in them.
Revolutionary War Vietnam Pakistan
History has shown that people fighting for their lives and freedom on their home turf with inferior weapons CAN defeat superior armies.
Your view on gun control is irrevelant, I own several guns and will not give them up no matter what ANYONE says. And I'm not alone.
Finkployd
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And MANY college campuses are NT only nowadays, though this is changing now..
Here at Penn State, this is EXACTALLY the reason that many people I know are looking harder at Linux. NT in every lab is NOT having the effect I'm sure MS intended:)
as for linux closely related to unix.. well.. c'mon.. the only reason we don't call it unix is because that would possibly be trademark infringement.
Yeah, that and there is not ONE line of Unix code in it. Just cause it looks like Unix doesn't mean it IS.
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maybe its time to give up on bsd if your a desktop user and switch to linux or either stop crying cause nobody wants to support 20 different os's
No No No No....1,000 times No
That is the way to lose the battle. I don't want to see Linux beat MS and become the only OS out there, I (and many others) want a varity of OS's to chose from. Pick the best tool for the job, as they say. Good code can be ported without much difficulty, as many "wiget" sets are being ported as well.
As for hardware, just make the specs open, and drivers can be written for ANY OS. They will be anyway, so make it easier on those doing the coding.
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Flame you? I want to shake your hand:)
You are exactally right, I use linux every day at work and home (it's the only OS I have at home) and it DOES need work. What seperates it from Windows in my mind, it that it's GETTING worked on. It's advancing faster than Windows CAN, considering the difficulty of writing drivers for hardware that may or may not have specs available.
It needs to be made more user friendly, but NOT at the expense of it's power and stability. That is the hard part.
Alternative OS's are not going to go away, no matter what vendors want.
Sure, the vendors are going to be ticked when a bunch of people start asking for something they didn't plan on making and supporting, and for a while they may just brush requests off. However, current trends withstanding, large companies (software and hardware) will realize that they cannot blindly develop only for Windows anymore. This COMDEX was probably an eye opener for many, and even though they were annoyed, the smarter ones are going to ponder the meaning of it all.
The danger of course, is that in our zeal to get more support for alternative OSes, we annoy a little too much. Polite requests will most likely generate the best results, while angry demands will simply make matters worse (this is nothing new, but it bears repeting) *note* I'm not in any way saying the author of this story did this.
It's going to be a long road though, just as firmly entrenched as the MS monolopy is in everyone's mind, that is how hard we will have to work to them to open their eyes to the alternatives.
Not all was funny, but the science facts page was by far the funniest thing I've read in a while. I'm going to get alot of.sigs out of that one (GPLed.sigs of course)
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I'm sure they do, but appointed by who? I certinly don't remember that vote. In fact, the whole thing seems to be done so covertly, the average American (and I'll wager citizens of most other countries) have no idea what's going on or who's in charge.
Finkployd
In a perfect world, trust would be nice.
However, we are bombarded by examples of companies and government taking advantage of us every which way. Including ways we didn't even know were possible. I think it's sad people aren't MORE paranoid, given the track record.
Finkployd
Washington tends to use them to pursue its own aims (privatisation of the Russian economy, credit crunches in S.E. Asia, Desert Storm and continued bombing of Iraq etc), while claiming that it's a world consensus.
Agreed, but then again it's been a long time since the US government had the best interest's of it's OWN citizens in mind.
Now, the UN/World Bank/etc. is funded by corporations. I said in a previous post that yes, these one world government orgs can rape and control a smaller country easier than the US, but I honestly think that when the time comes, our federal government will bow down and take it's marching orders from these people. Any one world government will not stand for any country to try to rule itself or have a say in it's own affairs. They know better.
BTW, since when was your government delegated by a democratic vote, anyway? In a true democracy, it doesn't cost upwards of $30 million to get elected...
We are not a true democracy, we are a Republic. And in a perfect world, Communism works too, but this world isn't perfect. Our system is very flawed, but I still feel it's better than having some group of corporations come and usurp our government to supplant one that will do their bidding.
Finkployd
Not what we think. Yeah, the US is a little harder to step on than a smaller country, but let's face it, the UN is in it for the UN, not any specific country. It's all about power. And not wanting you little countries to get any or have any.
Corporations pretty much control it, so when the time comes to usurp power from the US, I don't imagine we will have the backbone to stand up for ourselves, And we'll be in the same boat as you.
But hey, don't complain too loudly, or a peacekeeping operating may be directed toward your neck of the woods.
Fact remains, this is nothing more than the unsurping of hundreds of national governments by what amounts to a group of big business leaders who have only their best interest in mind.
Your point is taken, but you forget that in this "new" government we have NO say. No representatives, no elections, no recourse.
At least in the US's admitedly imperfect system, we have SOME say.
And to a point, I still say the same thing about the federal government. It is way too big, and has lost touch with the people it is supposed to be the government for. It now seems to only look out for its interests, and if it's people get in the way of those interests, then some "corrective actions" are taken to fix the problem.
Finkployd
Three stories in a row about big business screwing over little people in a globalist setting. Very interesting. Throw in the Co$ story, and ./ is becoming a dangerous, subvertive site that needs to have some government agency shut it down before it causes some civil unrest.
Hear that FBI/BATF/CIA/WTO/etc? Something needs to be done about this site! Think about the children!
Finkployd
Ohhh, thank you WTO, that was generous of you.
I'm glad that a governing body that has no right at all to tell ANY of us what to do (and was not voted in by us) has decided to be nice for a little while. I mean they could decide to charge a %50 tax on E-commerce and what could we do about it? Nothing, we are just little serfs.
I'd like to see the US just say "fuck off" to the UN, WTO, and any other pseudo-government that decides it knows how to run a country better than said country's government. None of these orgs have the US's best interest in mind, nor were they delegated by a democratic vote, so why the hell would we take these idiots seriously?
I have a feeling these riots are just the tip of the iceberg. Soverign countries are not going to take kindly to some "world government" telling them what to do.
Finkployd
I think it was anti-globalist. This is just one spoke in the globalist wheel. Those in power (read: big business) don't want seperate countries out there each having their own identity and making their own rules, they want a one world government (yeah, I know conspiricy theory sounding, but accurate) where coorporation run the world. Let's face it, they pretty much own the US government and many others, why not band them all together and make the rules for them. Of course, this brave new world will be very benifical to the companies that own it.
:)
And of course, we little "citizen units" will ha happy with the life assigned to us, or else they will find us (since we will be totally monitered, and you KNOW encryption will be outlawed) and subject us to the government approved punishment.
The sad part is, I'm started writing this as a joke, but I'm not so sure I'm kidding anymore, this sounds possible. It certinly sounds like the direction we are heading.
It also sounds like I stole it from the script of the classic 70's B movie, Rollerball
Finkployd
I'd really like to know if Andover.net gets any death threats or lawyer threats over this one. The Co$ is a pretty well known cult/terrorist org and has fscked up some people I know (it doesn't pay to try to leave the Co$, kind of like the mafia)
As for Germany, good for them. If the WTO doesn't like it, fsck them! Germany is a soverign nation and they can do what they want. Sometimes in this messed up world, it's kind of nice to see a country stand up for it's ideals. It's a shame more countries don't take a stand against this money scamming cult.
Finkployd
Beware clams, I'm Xenu!
hehe
I'm voting Libertarian from now on.
:)
I'm with you. I used to be a staunch Republician, but they don't seem to care about our rights any more than the Dems do. I look at it this way:
A vote for a Republician is a vote for the second amendment.
A vote for a Democrat is a vote for the first amendment.
A vote for a Libertarian is a vote for all the amendments
Finkployd
Like I said, that would be up to the owners of the site. I cannot imagine them wanting to give up control of the news that gets posted on their site. How would you like it I suggested I have control over your homepage, and remove and change any links or info I fond boring.
Finkployd
Slashdot material is whatever Rob, Jeff, etc. want to post.
Seems all the new people forget that when Slashdot displays stuff, people who are interested in the same sort of thing come here, not the other way around.
Finkployd
Let's say you work at a software company, and you know something that could be benificial to the community that you want to share. However, you do not want what you say getting back to your employers (for whatever reason).
This happens alot, and has happend with me in the past.
Slashdot has always had AC's and they haven't been a problem (that much) until Slashdot REALLY grew in size. Then, like an large community that welcomes all, there are bound to be idiots.
Banning AC's will not stop anything. All people will do is create accounts, still act like idiots and create new accouts if Rob deletes them (if he even does that).
Finkployd
Any company that is delivering any kind of service to the public has taken all the precautions that are needed
We hope. I mean, I don't predict anything dire (unless it's people's reaction to it or the govenrment's reaction to it), but why the sudden blind faith in companies?
It seems the same people who view big companies as evil and technologicaly clueless, are the first in line to attempt to persuade others that they will or have fixed the y2k problem for us.
Finkployd
*oops*
Upon closer examination of the article, it's the #4 reactor that was encased in carbonite, they were talking about #3
Finkployd
How on earth did they clear away all the radiation?! I thought that area would deadly for many many years. I mean, the decay would take decades (centuries?) right? Is my feeble grasp of physics missing something here?
:)
Not only that, but I thought they pretty much just built walls of cement around the reactor. Did they tunnel their way back in and switich it on?
Help me out here, if they wasn't on MSNBC, I'd swear it was some kind of prank (or at the very least, another devious plot for Bruce Perens to somehow get more Karma
Finkployd
I agree with this, I know that in the previous story about the 18 year old restriction there were many people trying to rationalize it or say it was a good way to prevent lawsuits.
The fact remains, it is a violation of a license, and this kind of stuff cannot go unchecked. Granted, it's minor, but we do not want to send the message that these open source licenses (especially GPL) can be violated in ANY way.
As more clueless companies (I honestly had hope for Corel) get into open source, we need to be really be on guard to make sure they do it correctly. This kind of thing can only get worse if left alone.
Finkployd
Evidently it's requires high security like Hillary Clinton's health care reform plan..."
:)
If I recall correctly, that whole mess was declared by a judge to be illegal, and a lot of money was paid to medical doctor's groups because of it.
Of course, more money was wasted on the whole thing. Have fun with her, New York
FinkPloyd
Protect yourself from the government with guns? Give me a break. Peasants with guns versus tanks and armies? I don't think so.
I do, perhaps you need a history lesson.
I'm going to submit some words, see if you can find the revelance in them.
Revolutionary War
Vietnam
Pakistan
History has shown that people fighting for their lives and freedom on their home turf with inferior weapons CAN defeat superior armies.
Your view on gun control is irrevelant, I own several guns and will not give them up no matter what ANYONE says. And I'm not alone.
Finkployd
And MANY college campuses are NT only nowadays, though this is changing now..
:)
Here at Penn State, this is EXACTALLY the reason that many people I know are looking harder at Linux. NT in every lab is NOT having the effect I'm sure MS intended
as for linux closely related to unix.. well.. c'mon.. the only reason we don't call it unix is because that would possibly be trademark infringement.
Yeah, that and there is not ONE line of Unix code in it. Just cause it looks like Unix doesn't mean it IS.
Finkployd
maybe its time to give up on bsd if your a desktop user and switch to linux or either stop crying cause nobody wants to support 20 different os's
No No No No....1,000 times No
That is the way to lose the battle. I don't want to see Linux beat MS and become the only OS out there, I (and many others) want a varity of OS's to chose from. Pick the best tool for the job, as they say.
Good code can be ported without much difficulty, as many "wiget" sets are being ported as well.
As for hardware, just make the specs open, and drivers can be written for ANY OS. They will be anyway, so make it easier on those doing the coding.
Finkployd
Flame you? I want to shake your hand :)
You are exactally right, I use linux every day at work and home (it's the only OS I have at home) and it DOES need work.
What seperates it from Windows in my mind, it that it's GETTING worked on. It's advancing faster than Windows CAN, considering the difficulty of writing drivers for hardware that may or may not have specs available.
It needs to be made more user friendly, but NOT at the expense of it's power and stability. That is the hard part.
Finkployd
Everytime I see that I have to think:
"Mr. Hankey, the Emacs poo"
Now that I look at it, he seems pissed too.
Finkployd
Alternative OS's are not going to go away, no matter what vendors want.
Sure, the vendors are going to be ticked when a bunch of people start asking for something they didn't plan on making and supporting, and for a while they may just brush requests off. However, current trends withstanding, large companies (software and hardware) will realize that they cannot blindly develop only for Windows anymore.
This COMDEX was probably an eye opener for many, and even though they were annoyed, the smarter ones are going to ponder the meaning of it all.
The danger of course, is that in our zeal to get more support for alternative OSes, we annoy a little too much. Polite requests will most likely generate the best results, while angry demands will simply make matters worse (this is nothing new, but it bears repeting)
*note* I'm not in any way saying the author of this story did this.
It's going to be a long road though, just as firmly entrenched as the MS monolopy is in everyone's mind, that is how hard we will have to work to them to open their eyes to the alternatives.
Finkployd
Not all was funny, but the science facts page was by far the funniest thing I've read in a while. I'm going to get alot of .sigs out of that one (GPLed .sigs of course)
Finkployd