And why not, have you seen the earning reports? Apple is on the ropes. Record losses, losing market share, constant layoffs, etc. They clearly cannot support their current business model, hell at this rate they will be bankrupt in a year or two.
I would go even further, obviously they are losing money hand over fist on hardware, but I don't think that OSX thing is doing them any good either. And lets face it, the iPod does not have wireless and is pretty lame. Chuck it all and go with the business that has a REAL future. I of course speak of iTunes music store. Look at Napster, they are racking the money faster than they can handle with just an online music store. That is the wave of the future my friends. I only hope Apple has the good sense to listen to reason on this one, and not delude themselves that they are a successful company. The numbers clearly show otherwise.
THEY might forget about these things, but we certainly won't. Our time has come.
Yeah, but who is this "we"? People who understand basic security concepts? People who understand that 99% of what the government does in the name of "homeland security" is a useless theater designed to make people feel safer and that the government is doing something?
"We" are a tiny minority, most people are one more terrorist attack away from accepting implanted RFID tags and polygraph tests to get on airplanes. This administration has convinced people that security and privacy are inversely related. We have not had an attack in a long time so people are starting to complain about liberty and civil rights, but all that goes out the door in a second with one successful shoe bombing.
Our time has not come, this country is more spineless and ready to trade safety for pretend security than ever. If we were like this in 1776 we would be begging England to tax the crap out of us, quarter troops in our homes and do whatever else they wanted if they would PLEASE keep us safe from indian raids.
I agree, but you have to admit that it is sad when the best possible outcome for government is gridlock. Both parties are just going to screw it up, we can only hope they will be distracted fighting each other and forget about us.
I don't think the vile Cardinal had to convince a jury of his peers, and answer endless appeals through several levels of appeals courts.
No, he probably just could detain them without trials, access to an attorney, letting them know what they are accused of, or any evidence against them. Maybe he labeled them "enemy conbatents" or something.
I'm sorry, the same party that pushed Clipper? If you think this stuff is going to change one bit under the Democrats you are delusional. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of reasons for vote for anyone but Republicians these days, but this is not one of them. When it comes to spying on citizens, the party in power wants it bad, and the minority party becomes the voice of privacy and government restraint. It was not that long ago that Ashcroft was the pro-privacy, anti-clipper chip crusader. I fully expect that everything the Democrats are saying about government oversight and privacy will be completely forgotten when they get into power.
This is not new (at least the concept) at all. We have been talking about this for years now. What do you think trusted computing (palladium) is? This has always been the "good" side of the TCPA coin, media DRM being the "bad" side.
The DARPA funded companies did not have the same motivation as the other one. It is in their best interest to keep making slow progress and asking for more money everytime they have a little breakthrough. The successful company had no such money train. It was in their best interest to actually PRODUCE RESULTS in order to patent, market, and sell the technolohy. Funny how that works huh?
The Daily Show ignores any event that they can not easily use to support democrats or spread FUD but the president with.
The problem is (and this is coming from someone who is probably more to the right on many issues than most/.ers), there are not many events these days that cannot be easily used to support Democrats and make Bush look bad. They do not have to really reach much to find their stuff. Clinton's antics ushered in the rise of talk radio, Bush's antics are ushering in the rise of the Daily Show.
It is possible to create systems where no part of the system but some silicon in your display device ever sees unencrypted digital data. You have no effective rebuttal to this.
Sure I do, you tap into the display. Unless the code to decrypt the signal is within the LCD itself (impossible) then it will be decrypted and in digital format before that. Same with speakers.
Remember, all it takes is ONE person doing this, and the DRM is defeated. The un-DRMed media can be distributed far and wide, with everyone benefiting from the work of one geek with a soldering iron and too much time. Sure it will keep joe average from ripping his own DVDs, but he does not do that anyway. He downloads DVD that other people ripped. Same with music.
DRM is real, and people should not be misled into thinking that it's always going to be as toothless as it is now.
The desire for it is real, and they will keep trying. I never contested that. However it is a very VERY difficult problem (if you have a real solution I know people who will throw millions at you). Right now, all they have is increasing complex ways of hiding a key. The fatal flaw in that model is that the computer needs the key, and I have physical access to the computer, I will eventually get the key. Until someone comes up with a completely different model, all DRM can be is security only by obscurity.
Funny that you should mention the Foley story. The GOP has known about it for 5 years and did nothing.
Oh no, they did something, they made him co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.
The timing and origin of the story seem suspicious. Certainly the Democrats are justified in using this for maximum political gain, but did they sit on it (and potentially endanger others) or did they come forward just as soon as they found out? Mere speculation, and certainly not speculation that affects how creepy this guy is and the somewhat obvious Republican coverup, but it shows that "everyone" plays the Karl Rove (get them anyway possible) game on the hill. The posturing on both sides is getting a little silly.
So, when you make the argument that Dems "just hate Bush and the have no plan" when there are alternative directions expressed and people have at least rational reasons for hating Bush, well then I say you're getting most of your info from right-wing sources.
That does seem to be the prevailing perception. No, not on Free Republic, but with many hardline, life long liberal Democrats as well. You would have to REALLY have to head in the sand to not see that the Democrat part has some serious image and message issues. I'm not talking about individuals, there are many with clear, concise, and consistent messages. But as a party there is really nothing. Now unfortunately that is how many people vote (straight party ticket). Partly because they are lazy but also because it is quite difficult to truely educate yourself oftentimes on a candidates position. You cannot really look at what measures he did or did not vote on becasue we see time and again, the titles and primary purpose of a bill often has nothing to do with what is inside it. For example, I don't know about you but I certainly think "online gambling" when I think "port security";)
Sad as it is, people vote parties, and the Republican's have been significantly more successful at (1) having a somewhat unified party message and (2) convincing the growing number within the party who disagree with Rove and that message to shut up.
As for the "they just hate Bush" argument, there's a reason people hate Bush. It's not because of his accent or the (R) after his name.
Unfortunately hating Bush has become cliche. The reasons to do so as you mention are quite numberous, but the solutions to get out of the mess he created are not so numberous. I am not saying that there are none, or that alternatives to his "I'm an idiot when it comes to both economics and forign policy" actions are not being proposed by Democrats, just that those solutions are all different. Nobody quite agrees on what is the best way out of Iraq. Nobody (on either side) has stepped up and admited that most (of not all) of the homeland security initiatives have been insane wastes of money which do nothing for actual security. Where is the national ad campaign showcasing the criminal porkbarrel spending that Republicans have engaged in? (Bridge to nowhere anyone?)
Opposition to Iraq can only get them so far, I want to see some comprehensive talking points being repeated showcasing the idiocy of the last few years and solutions or alternatives. I see some of it on Daily Kos and NPR, but often is seems lost in the "Bush is evil, Bush will kill us all" discussion.
You don't know the direction the Democratics want to move in because you haven't been listening to Democrats. You've been listening to the O'Reillys, Limbaughs and Savages of the world tell you that.
Wow, that was helpful, thank you. What do I want for dinner tonight and where is my little baggie with my guitar picks in it? I'm hoping you can help me with this as you obviously have me well staked out.
Back you reality, where remain are completely ignorant and clueless regarding my media habits, Rove's tactics (while despicable) are pretty commonplace among both parties. I'm sure the timing of Foley story was just coincidental right? Despite Rove's tactics, Bush should have been easy to beat. Despite the voting fraud which likely occured on both sides (although with electronic voting it most certainly shifted to the right), SOMEONE should have been able to beat him. Unfortunately Gore and Kerry had the personalities of sticks, and whiny ones at that.
You claim it is intentional that I do not know the direction the Democrats want to go in, but it is really because there is no defined direction. The Democrat party has become a magnet in the last 8 years for everyone who hates Bush, but little else. I ask again? Where is the unified message? The GOP pulled a coup with the "Contract with America" (A really good document, try re-reading in context with today's government, it would have been nice if they even tried to follow through with any of it), why can't the Democrats try something similar?
Part of the problem is that the Democrat party is so diverse that it would be hard to get a unified voice from them. The is also somewhat true with the GOP, where a significant percentage dislike Bush (who is less conservative than Clinton on many issues - Read: economics) but shut up about because they feel a Democrat would be worse. We really need to ditch this stupid system of trying herd people into one of two thought camps and just vote on candidates based on their own beliefs. It would also help if they were allowed to HAVE thier own beliefs without being attacked by "their" party - Read: McCain.
FYI, I do occationally listen to Savage, and I don't think anyone can accuse him of being a Bush supporter. I probably listen to NPR more so you were a bit off on your guessing, but points for trying.
Johansen could end up selling a lot of hardware for Apple.
I'm sure Apple will see it that way.
This is yet another example of why DRM is nothing more than a snakeoil-based totally flawed concept. You CANNOT turn the concept of public key cryptography upside down like that. All DRM does is have you create a keypair (or create one for you and send you the private key), then it encrypts media using your public key before it gets to you. Great, except they have to (1) keep the private key accessable to their programs/devices that need to decrypt it and (2) keep it completely away from you (the "owner" of the key) and any other programs that could use it to decrypt media without following their silly restrictions.
Keep trying to hide it in software, keep trying to hide it in hardware, as long as debuggers, logic probes, and soldering irons are available to the general public, someone will always get it. And it only takes one to make it completely pointless. After that there will be a software or hardware solution available to anyone to do the same thing. Or more to the point, the un-drmed media will be in the wild.
Close the analog hole? Trying to force everyone to upgrade to monitors, sound cards (and speakers), TVs, etc. just to restrict what they can do will backfire as well. Eventually people will figure out that there is no benefit to upgrading all this stuff. And let's be honest with outselves, most of the really cool features of Vista have been canceled, it is nothing more than XP + DRM with some OSX eye candy thrown in to make it seem different. OSX is not much better, try loading a debugger while the DVD player app is running. Or even taking a screenshot.
Nobody is waking up going "geeze, my PC, Tivo, DVD burner, and VCR can do way too much, I really wish I could pay a lot more for devices that prevent a lot of the use that is available to me now".
Wow, I guess I really needed to go off on a DRM rant. I feel better.
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And why not, have you seen the earning reports? Apple is on the ropes. Record losses, losing market share, constant layoffs, etc. They clearly cannot support their current business model, hell at this rate they will be bankrupt in a year or two.
I would go even further, obviously they are losing money hand over fist on hardware, but I don't think that OSX thing is doing them any good either. And lets face it, the iPod does not have wireless and is pretty lame. Chuck it all and go with the business that has a REAL future. I of course speak of iTunes music store. Look at Napster, they are racking the money faster than they can handle with just an online music store. That is the wave of the future my friends. I only hope Apple has the good sense to listen to reason on this one, and not delude themselves that they are a successful company. The numbers clearly show otherwise.
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"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." -- Scotty.
This is all wrong, that is an old Texas saying (I believe they have it in Tennessee as well).
"Fool me once, shame on....shame on you....fool me you can't get fooled again"
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You've got it totally backwards. The citizens are so distracted fighting with each other that they forget about the government!
Touche
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THEY might forget about these things, but we certainly won't. Our time has come.
Yeah, but who is this "we"? People who understand basic security concepts? People who understand that 99% of what the government does in the name of "homeland security" is a useless theater designed to make people feel safer and that the government is doing something?
"We" are a tiny minority, most people are one more terrorist attack away from accepting implanted RFID tags and polygraph tests to get on airplanes. This administration has convinced people that security and privacy are inversely related. We have not had an attack in a long time so people are starting to complain about liberty and civil rights, but all that goes out the door in a second with one successful shoe bombing.
Our time has not come, this country is more spineless and ready to trade safety for pretend security than ever. If we were like this in 1776 we would be begging England to tax the crap out of us, quarter troops in our homes and do whatever else they wanted if they would PLEASE keep us safe from indian raids.
Finkployd
I agree, but you have to admit that it is sad when the best possible outcome for government is gridlock. Both parties are just going to screw it up, we can only hope they will be distracted fighting each other and forget about us.
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I don't think the vile Cardinal had to convince a jury of his peers, and answer endless appeals through several levels of appeals courts.
No, he probably just could detain them without trials, access to an attorney, letting them know what they are accused of, or any evidence against them. Maybe he labeled them "enemy conbatents" or something.
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I'm sorry, the same party that pushed Clipper? If you think this stuff is going to change one bit under the Democrats you are delusional. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of reasons for vote for anyone but Republicians these days, but this is not one of them. When it comes to spying on citizens, the party in power wants it bad, and the minority party becomes the voice of privacy and government restraint. It was not that long ago that Ashcroft was the pro-privacy, anti-clipper chip crusader. I fully expect that everything the Democrats are saying about government oversight and privacy will be completely forgotten when they get into power.
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It would have been easier to just type "I do not know what a monopoly is, I should have taken more economics classes"
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Have you figured out the moral yet?
/. I am only kidding (and wondering what on earth you are doing reading /.)
I....should....spy on my wife and make sure she does not meet any guys?
Hon, if you are reading
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TCPA lets you load and OS you want, it is ultimately up to the OS to decide if a driver is allowed to be loaded.
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Take your time, Slashdot, don't need to rush the news out .
On the flip side, this is the quickest response to a comment I have ever received.
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This is not new (at least the concept) at all. We have been talking about this for years now. What do you think trusted computing (palladium) is? This has always been the "good" side of the TCPA coin, media DRM being the "bad" side.
Finkployd
The DARPA funded companies did not have the same motivation as the other one. It is in their best interest to keep making slow progress and asking for more money everytime they have a little breakthrough. The successful company had no such money train. It was in their best interest to actually PRODUCE RESULTS in order to patent, market, and sell the technolohy. Funny how that works huh?
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He intends to devote his time fully toward releasing new versions of the original Star Wars. Wait until you see who shoots first THIS time.
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The Daily Show ignores any event that they can not easily use to support democrats or spread FUD but the president with.
/.ers), there are not many events these days that cannot be easily used to support Democrats and make Bush look bad. They do not have to really reach much to find their stuff. Clinton's antics ushered in the rise of talk radio, Bush's antics are ushering in the rise of the Daily Show.
The problem is (and this is coming from someone who is probably more to the right on many issues than most
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I just really hope they call it arsenal gear. This world needs more bipedal mechs as well for that matter.
(yes I played through the whole game, no I have no idea WTF happened at the end)
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Does not matter. All it takes is one person decrypting it and posting the digital, decrypted file onto a p2p network. Once it is out, it is out.
Because parallels requires you run a complete copy of Windows, where as wine doesn't.
It is possible to create systems where no part of the system but some silicon in your display device ever sees unencrypted digital data. You have no effective rebuttal to this.
Sure I do, you tap into the display. Unless the code to decrypt the signal is within the LCD itself (impossible) then it will be decrypted and in digital format before that. Same with speakers.
Remember, all it takes is ONE person doing this, and the DRM is defeated. The un-DRMed media can be distributed far and wide, with everyone benefiting from the work of one geek with a soldering iron and too much time. Sure it will keep joe average from ripping his own DVDs, but he does not do that anyway. He downloads DVD that other people ripped. Same with music.
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Yes. I don't know if anyone is pursuing HDCP-like technology for sound interfaces.
As someone else mentioned, make all the DRM speakers you want, I'll crack them open and tap into the wires going to the cones.
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DRM is real, and people should not be misled into thinking that it's always going to be as toothless as it is now.
The desire for it is real, and they will keep trying. I never contested that. However it is a very VERY difficult problem (if you have a real solution I know people who will throw millions at you). Right now, all they have is increasing complex ways of hiding a key. The fatal flaw in that model is that the computer needs the key, and I have physical access to the computer, I will eventually get the key. Until someone comes up with a completely different model, all DRM can be is security only by obscurity.
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Funny that you should mention the Foley story. The GOP has known about it for 5 years and did nothing.
;)
Oh no, they did something, they made him co-chairman of the Congressional Missing and Exploited Children's Caucus.
The timing and origin of the story seem suspicious. Certainly the Democrats are justified in using this for maximum political gain, but did they sit on it (and potentially endanger others) or did they come forward just as soon as they found out? Mere speculation, and certainly not speculation that affects how creepy this guy is and the somewhat obvious Republican coverup, but it shows that "everyone" plays the Karl Rove (get them anyway possible) game on the hill. The posturing on both sides is getting a little silly.
So, when you make the argument that Dems "just hate Bush and the have no plan" when there are alternative directions expressed and people have at least rational reasons for hating Bush, well then I say you're getting most of your info from right-wing sources.
That does seem to be the prevailing perception. No, not on Free Republic, but with many hardline, life long liberal Democrats as well. You would have to REALLY have to head in the sand to not see that the Democrat part has some serious image and message issues. I'm not talking about individuals, there are many with clear, concise, and consistent messages. But as a party there is really nothing. Now unfortunately that is how many people vote (straight party ticket). Partly because they are lazy but also because it is quite difficult to truely educate yourself oftentimes on a candidates position. You cannot really look at what measures he did or did not vote on becasue we see time and again, the titles and primary purpose of a bill often has nothing to do with what is inside it. For example, I don't know about you but I certainly think "online gambling" when I think "port security"
Sad as it is, people vote parties, and the Republican's have been significantly more successful at (1) having a somewhat unified party message and (2) convincing the growing number within the party who disagree with Rove and that message to shut up.
As for the "they just hate Bush" argument, there's a reason people hate Bush. It's not because of his accent or the (R) after his name.
Unfortunately hating Bush has become cliche. The reasons to do so as you mention are quite numberous, but the solutions to get out of the mess he created are not so numberous. I am not saying that there are none, or that alternatives to his "I'm an idiot when it comes to both economics and forign policy" actions are not being proposed by Democrats, just that those solutions are all different. Nobody quite agrees on what is the best way out of Iraq. Nobody (on either side) has stepped up and admited that most (of not all) of the homeland security initiatives have been insane wastes of money which do nothing for actual security. Where is the national ad campaign showcasing the criminal porkbarrel spending that Republicans have engaged in? (Bridge to nowhere anyone?)
Opposition to Iraq can only get them so far, I want to see some comprehensive talking points being repeated showcasing the idiocy of the last few years and solutions or alternatives. I see some of it on Daily Kos and NPR, but often is seems lost in the "Bush is evil, Bush will kill us all" discussion.
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You don't know the direction the Democratics want to move in because you haven't been listening to Democrats. You've been listening to the O'Reillys, Limbaughs and Savages of the world tell you that.
Wow, that was helpful, thank you. What do I want for dinner tonight and where is my little baggie with my guitar picks in it? I'm hoping you can help me with this as you obviously have me well staked out.
Back you reality, where remain are completely ignorant and clueless regarding my media habits, Rove's tactics (while despicable) are pretty commonplace among both parties. I'm sure the timing of Foley story was just coincidental right? Despite Rove's tactics, Bush should have been easy to beat. Despite the voting fraud which likely occured on both sides (although with electronic voting it most certainly shifted to the right), SOMEONE should have been able to beat him. Unfortunately Gore and Kerry had the personalities of sticks, and whiny ones at that.
You claim it is intentional that I do not know the direction the Democrats want to go in, but it is really because there is no defined direction. The Democrat party has become a magnet in the last 8 years for everyone who hates Bush, but little else. I ask again? Where is the unified message? The GOP pulled a coup with the "Contract with America" (A really good document, try re-reading in context with today's government, it would have been nice if they even tried to follow through with any of it), why can't the Democrats try something similar?
Part of the problem is that the Democrat party is so diverse that it would be hard to get a unified voice from them. The is also somewhat true with the GOP, where a significant percentage dislike Bush (who is less conservative than Clinton on many issues - Read: economics) but shut up about because they feel a Democrat would be worse. We really need to ditch this stupid system of trying herd people into one of two thought camps and just vote on candidates based on their own beliefs. It would also help if they were allowed to HAVE thier own beliefs without being attacked by "their" party - Read: McCain.
FYI, I do occationally listen to Savage, and I don't think anyone can accuse him of being a Bush supporter. I probably listen to NPR more so you were a bit off on your guessing, but points for trying.
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Johansen could end up selling a lot of hardware for Apple.
I'm sure Apple will see it that way.
This is yet another example of why DRM is nothing more than a snakeoil-based totally flawed concept. You CANNOT turn the concept of public key cryptography upside down like that. All DRM does is have you create a keypair (or create one for you and send you the private key), then it encrypts media using your public key before it gets to you. Great, except they have to (1) keep the private key accessable to their programs/devices that need to decrypt it and (2) keep it completely away from you (the "owner" of the key) and any other programs that could use it to decrypt media without following their silly restrictions.
Keep trying to hide it in software, keep trying to hide it in hardware, as long as debuggers, logic probes, and soldering irons are available to the general public, someone will always get it. And it only takes one to make it completely pointless. After that there will be a software or hardware solution available to anyone to do the same thing. Or more to the point, the un-drmed media will be in the wild.
Close the analog hole? Trying to force everyone to upgrade to monitors, sound cards (and speakers), TVs, etc. just to restrict what they can do will backfire as well. Eventually people will figure out that there is no benefit to upgrading all this stuff. And let's be honest with outselves, most of the really cool features of Vista have been canceled, it is nothing more than XP + DRM with some OSX eye candy thrown in to make it seem different. OSX is not much better, try loading a debugger while the DVD player app is running. Or even taking a screenshot.
Nobody is waking up going "geeze, my PC, Tivo, DVD burner, and VCR can do way too much, I really wish I could pay a lot more for devices that prevent a lot of the use that is available to me now".
Wow, I guess I really needed to go off on a DRM rant. I feel better.
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On behalf of civilized /.-posting Overlords, I'd just like to say "screw you". Why? Because one thing we love is a paradox.