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FBI Head Wants Strong Data Retention Rules
KevHead writes "Speaking at a conference of international police chiefs, FBI Director Robert Mueller called for strict data retention guidelines for US ISPs. Echoing DHS head Michael Cherthoff's assertion that the Internet was enabling terrorists to telecommute to work, Mueller went further and said that the US needs stricter data retention guidelines. '"All too often, we find that before we can catch these offenders, Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims," Mueller said. The solution? Forcing ISPs to retain data for set periods of time.' If that happens, how long before the MPAA and RIAA start asking to take a peek at the data too, as they have in Europe?"
I know of people who recieve cardboard boxes from FEDEX filled with 20 lbs of weed... I think the internet is the least of our problems.
A broken solution for a non-existent problem.
I used darkstat once on 2 T1's for a 24 hour period just the URL log was over 500MB, no packet captures, no session data.
Just imagine an OC-3, you are talking about a lot of storage space.
Ahh, ISP's are helping the t'irrists now..
So looks like we all get our packets logged.
300 million people is a lot of potential terrorists to keep track of.
This feels so strange to actually have a front row seat to the destruction of what used to be called the American Way.
btw: Who do you think will be paying for that storage? Yup, your right.. the American taxpayer!
Mueller went further and said that the US needs stricter data retention guidelines.
With the AT&Ts "collaboration" with the NSA, and CARNIVORE, one would think the government already has all the tools they need. Are they now saying that's not enough? That's kind of pathetic, don't you think?
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According to the article: Psychological Warfare: "The Internet--an uncensored medium that carries stories, pictures, threats, or messages regardless of their validity or potential impact--is peculiarly well suited to allowing even a small group to amplify its message and exaggerate its importance and the threat it poses."
Isn't what the actual US government doing, with its war on terra'? Bush and the terrorists, same combat.
There's no rule about how to store it, is there?
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, however, there is.
I think the government is broken!
Almost seems like the US and Europe are teaming up, Euro with their licensing and the US with their logging.
This is tame compared to what they have planned now that Bush has his Enabling Act signed into law.
I hope it gets worse - we deserve it for having sat on our asses doing nothing* this long.
*voting, writing congressmen, campeigning and protesting obviously don't count.
Database poisoning, ie. entering information that is not only bogus but also harmful, making previously useful lookups turn back so much garbage that real info is hard to find. In other words, some kind of proxy program on client side that loads pages from given list of addresses. That list can be composed of all sites possibly under surveillance. It randomly loads pages in the background, makes google searches with offending words, but doesn't bother user with the data it loads.
Preserve old classics: copy your collection onto all hard drives.
Add stopping this to the list of "things to do after the Democrats take over Congress".
Don't forget to vote, everybody.
And remember, as one leading Democrat has said, if Democrats control either house, there's going to be "oversight, oversight, oversight". Look how much has come out with the Republicans in charge: everything from the plan to divide up northern Iraq amongst oil companies to the CIA's torture program. There has to be more stuff we haven't heard about. Look forward to people like the FBI Director testifying under oath before Congress. Coming soon to a C-SPAN channel near you.
You might also want to volunteer to be a poll watcher, especially if you're in a state with Diebold voting machines.
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-Cardinal Richelieu (French Minister and Cardinal. 1585-1642)
if the people who make legislation actually had some idea about the problem the legislation was supposed to solve? Or, ya know, refused to vote for something they didn't understand? Just a simple "introduction to hacking" course would help so many of them recognise that data retention aint going to help you track a hacker. I hate to say it, but I honestly think the only way to "police the Internet" is to give policing powers to a police force. Those powers would include the right to enter systems without permission, install logging software, etc. Question is, who would you want to trust with that much power?
How we know is more important than what we know.
Republicans or Democrats in office will not matter. The US has started down a road that has no end (at least not a pretty one).
So if you can't change them, change yourself. Come be part of the solution.
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However, by one tiny chip of compromise after another, one infinitesimal shift to accommodate a "reasonable response" after another, a group of people can turn into "The (choose ethnic group) Problem" and suddenly it's okay to treat people as things, the only capital crime there is. You never quite know where you cross the line and suddenly you have become the enemy your grandparents fought war, bloody war to prevent from turning the future into a long night of horror.
Will you have the courage to say "NO" to the new Gestapo? They're just nice guys like you who have a job to do, y'know? Or will you draw a line somewhere and say "At long last, Mr. McCarthy, have you no shame?"
(*Title refers to the short story in The Last Whole Earth Catalog. Find it and read it. Was a school experiment designed to show how good people could turn into black, black Nazis and why there were no Nazi's in Germany after the war. Scares the tar out of me, more so as the days go by.)
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Despite all the statistical evidence that this does NOT work to PREVENT any "terrorist" acts ... they will attempt to use this to intimidate people into voluntarily restricting their actions.
... but you will not have access to their's. Asymmetrical. And because they are the government, they can release only the information they want from your records. Only the information that shows that you are really a wannabe child molesting, America hating, terrorist loving, Communistic, gay atheist.
When every search / posting / IM / etc from you is available to elected officials (and may be accidentally "leaked"), they hope that most people will self-censor their activities to only items that would be "appropriate".
Should you ever take a stand against the elected officials, they will have access to your records
It's all about maintaining power and control.
Since the terrorists will be using encrypted messages or coded messages which don't appear to be anything special (you know those -1 Slashdot comments are for something), this will help retrace the terrorist's online activities after people have died in a terrorist attack. My guess: lots of porn and a few messages to E-mail accounts which no longer exist.
It's just that there are so many disposable E-mail accounts available and the easy access to Internet cafes. If someone is using a disposable E-mail account and an Internet terminal which is paid for in loose change (usually used in airports), how are you going to track that person down one month later? What if the terminal is outside the United States?
Not to mention free Linksys brand wireless Internet access which is available in most areas.
Any government fighting terrorists needs to setup its own terrorist propaganda websites which make use of Microsoft Internet Explorer's many vulnerabilities. Spyware for the spies. Microsoft's poor security practices not only hurt you, they also hurt the terrorists. Of course terrorists using Firefox screws us all.
Here's the trick. Don't scare your population with too many moves at once. Take away their freedoms one by one, starting with the ones no-one really cares about. Let other countries take one step too far, and if their populations don't squeal, make a further step yourself.
So the EU enacted its spy state law last year, while people said, "even the states does not go that far". The EU Data Retention Directive wants (it needs to be ratified by individual countries) to track every phone call made, every email sent, every web site visited, every cell phone location, and hold this data for over a decade. The data would be available to non-governmental organisations (private firms). Anonymous internet usage would be banned. Anonymous prepaid mobile phone cards would be banned. All this, of course, to save us from terrorism and organised crime.
And the UK has constructed a surveillance system that beats anything ever built by the soviet spy states. Every public urban space is monitored, recorded, tracked. The only privacy you have is in your home, where you are safely under house arrest, unable to do anything to damage the interests of the state.
It was just a matter of time before the FBI asked for the same powers. What police force would not? It's a copper's wet dream. Every one of us stinking criminals-in-waiting tracked like cockroaches in a pen. No more crime. No more disorder. No more rebellion.
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I would hope that the UK's Data Protection Rules will basically tell the US to get lost if they come knocking. However as there is the special relationship I expect it will just be ignored
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Phone companies do it, after all...
It is nevertheless impractical for ISP's to do the same because there are several orders of magnitude more simultaneous connections than there are with phone companies because phone calls typically last on the order of minutes, while individual IP packets take less than a fraction of a second to transmit and they are done. One could track entire TCP streams, but even those can be over in less than a second, and it wouldn't be helpful for tracking things like UDP or even raw IP. It would require absolutely huge amounts of data storage to chronicle even a single hour's usage in entirety on a major ISP, let alone keeping it around for days or weeks.
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There are 2 questions, really:
If you're looking for a guess, I don't have it. All I know is that it bothers me when the government's fear of people they can't even identify is enough reason for them to start "monitoring" the 300 million people in our country that they can identify. I don't know how much liberty one has if they are aware that everything they type, or every call they make, is "monitored". Is that liberty? Does that make anyone feel safer?
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The summary does right in pointing out that retaining this stuff attracts copyright holders like flies round shit, but, thankfully for the moment, they're not allowed access to this data [in fact, it would be a criminal offence if they were granted such access]. Part of the fighting between the EU commission and the EU parliament was that the parliament wanted access locked down to ultra-specific cases (things that could be prosecuted under the European Arrest Warrant only). They didn't get it, but the compromise was that access could only be granted for serious criminal activities, defined by each member state's law.
Civil torts (ie, copyright infringement) are way outside the ballpark by anybody's measure, so it'll be a long while before they wheedle their way into this. They will try, but Big Content doesn't hold quite the same disproportionate influence in the EU that it does in the USA. So, from a US point of view, I think that you have much more to fear from data retention that EU citizens have, given that AG Gonzales explicitly mentioned copyright infringement in his reasons for pushing this turd of an idea.
Not saying that the data retention doesn't suck - just that the existing fears of abuse are more than enough the scare the bejesus out of me without imagining what *AA snooping would be like. I've yet to be convinced that it's not the usual government trick of "let's spend lots of money (better still, other people's money) on a problem, and rely on the traditional public belief that the government is tackling something because it wouldn't spend billions to accomplish nothing".
--Ng
The terrorists are broadcasting communications with steganography embedded in all those viagra and stock option emails. Please filter and retain all spam for further detailed and ongoing analysis.
thank you,
everyone
What's the government going to do with a log of my ssh tunnel routed through tor? Are they going to build a huge entropy pool for seeding their cyphers or making one time pads? Or maybe use the white noise frequencies generated by the bit patterns to jam terrorist radios? Whatever they do, it won't have anything to do with obtaining any human readible DATA about my online activity.
Aahahahahaaaa, let em log as much as they want... relakks.com :)
First, the practical:
:p
I'm sorry, but I am not going to waste my resources storing every email every one of my customers has received from now until kingdom come. Unlike Google, I don't have the spare cash sitting around for that kind of storage space. Make it a law and I bet you see a surge of ISPs basing their servers offshore to protect their investment (customer privacy mainly).
Secondly, the privacy concern
So the FBI reading my sarcastic emails to friends and family is going to help us catch a bunch of terrorists who, last I heard, had one webmaster who was stupid enough to get himself arrested in Germany? I've got news for you guys: Teenagers, CEOs, and computer enthusiasts coordinate things through the internet. I imagine terrorists prefer suicide bombing training camps or mountain hideaways for their secret conferences. Besides, we haven't heard anything of Al Qaeda declaring Jihad on Microsoft over Netmeeting or even MSN Messenger, so it is highly doubtful that they have tried to use them.
As far as 'terrorist websites' go, the FBI just needs to get some of their buds at the CIA to break into the server and plant a basic hit reporter. Figure out who is logging in and making changes, and you've got your man.
The story was actually called "The Third Wave", very much worth reading:
Info on the story
The story itself
I hope one day you post similar feedback to Google over "data kept forever, mail is never really deleted, analysed for advertising purposes"...
You know.. Gmail..
if their sysadmin lables the backup tapes is a different story. but i think the data is there.
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Oh, wait.
How many people are killed by government agents and survelliance activities each year? Or even less harmful, have their lives ruined by leaks? I can pretty much guarantee you that it's a laughably small proportion of the number killed in car crashes, and it is bizarre and frankly a result of the endemic mental illness in the American population that they react so irrationally and disproportionally to the real threat of the issue.
If they cared about securing lives and freedom you would think they would go for where the issues are biggest, but no, that's not really the main priority, the main priority has little to do with freedom and lives and a lot to do with furthering agendas.
Also, I am sorry to say it, but many who are killed by agents as a result of surveillance like this, which may include slashdotters (sorry, but it's the truth) have, in part, brought it up on themselves, either directly or by being ideological and symbolic supporters for a policy that hurts other people. Try a little bit of the so-called 'introspective technique' before you go ranting about the unfair wrongdoings other people subject you to. I don't care because 1) as said, the chance of falling victim to a shot in the head from a government agent sent to kill you over your surfing habits is extremely small, much smaller than the risk of driving to work every day, 2) I don't do what you do, so I'm not a prime target, and I can't find myself caring a lot for you.
in soviet russia of course...
The way America is going it seems that the only ones who are free will be terrorists and illegals ( ie the unknown ). You seem to be turning the whole country into an open jail with the walls at the ( formerly ) undefended borders. How sad
It is the guy from the FBIs job to demand that our freedoms be observered and monitored. It is his job to lobby politians to pass laws to make his job easier and minimize the tax burden of his department. Its the politians job to take him seriously, concider the facts and then tell him bollocks. If he fails to do this it is your job to make it very clear that this is unacceptable, and then not vote for him in the next elections. If he gets in, then thats democracy, and the freedom that you thought was important, was clearly not that important to your fellow countryman.
Its perfectly possible that, despite living in a liberal democracy at the moment what the people want is to live under the rule of a paternal dictatorship - people are stupid. If thats the case, then democracy will let that happen. All you can do then is either raise a militia or leave. I guess you could always try and educate people, but thats never worked in the past
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Because you can - or because you should?
His plan goes like:
1. make some attacks to high-profile targets in US and its allies
2. see how those people will (slowly but surely) erode their civil liberties and transform _their_ countries in the same kind of totalitarian theocracies as Taliban-Afghanistan
3. ???
4. Profit!!!
PS. too bad those intelligent, enlightened, Spanish people saw right thru our plan and threw Aznar off.
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From TFA:
The simple solution was already revealed.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Whoever owns the data has the right to do with it what they will. It is their property. Are we so terrified that we are willing to abandon our property rights?
Stuff like this makes me think that maybe someone high-up is pushing for legislation to force people to buy certain hardware (i.e. hard drives), when they might own stock in a company that sells hard drives and stand to make a huge profit.
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We are the land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE, not the FREAKING land of the SAFE and home of the FREAKING COWARDS!
Sure, you can write a law full of language that says it can only be used against terrorists etc etc etc. You can write a law that is 1000's of pages in length detailing these correct uses. ...and then 10 minutes later, somebody attaches a provision to a farm subsidy bill that says these records can be used by RIAA and MPAA to discover copyright abuse with no warrant because "users have no expectations of privacy on the internet" and POOF all those protections are gone.
You were mistaken. Which is odd, since memory shouldn't be a problem for you
If a couple was going through a messy divorce (as most are) and one side wanted to tar the other side, could they ask the court to get data like this from the ISP?
So now it's not only the FBI & the RIAA...you also have to worry about random people with a grudge?
This is about control of disaffected people not fighting real terrorism.
And what's with the comment about not needing to "speak with anybody else" - are the FBI scared of shut-ins now?
Reduce, reuse, cycle
..with your [insert legal weapon here] and resolve..
Internet service providers have unwittingly deleted the very records that would help us identify these offenders and protect future victims
So the ISPs are retaining the info, but not long enough for the Feds to do their job right, so they are asking for them to keep them longer. Well how long? Why are the Feds so slow? Will they want to extend the retention length again if the time table they recommended isn't long enough?
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Data retention is a way to catch the stupid offenders, blame innocent people and also abuse the data for other purposes.
If I was to commit a crim over the Internet, I'd encrypt any data transmission I'd use.
Then all they have is the ip/domain I talked to. It's not quite a crime to talk to someone.
Why does the government need ISPs to record data, when the government is already doing it via secret cabinets in AT&T's NOCs?
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I think PBS http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/safer.html Nova puts it best....(modified for slashdot)
"Who do you want to make the ultimate decision, a very well-trained [FBI agent] or maybe a computer programmer who's sitting home having a beer?"
i agree
Man, that is a War on Drugs issue. We're in a War on Terror right now. Try to keep up.
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
Next thing will be to make criminals of everyone with a switch/router that provides open wireless for anyone that drives by with a laptop. Red Light cameras maybe? http://www.clevelandredlightcameras.com/
I hear lots about "data retention" but few specifics about what's supposed to be retained.
/how-to-build-a-dirty-bomb.html. How is that different from asking Blockbuster what movies I've rented or a public library what books I've checked out? These are matters on which there's a lot of legal precedent and settled law.
When most of America was on dialup, law enforcement officials could request the login/logout records of an ISPs subscriber. In principle that's no different from asking for a log of phone calls made. But in both cases the content of those transactions was protected from official view. In an always-on world, what are they asking for now?
Do most major ISPs proxy web requests? If so, they certainly can identify that IP address x.x.x.x, assigned to customer Joe Blow, visited site www.terrorizeyourcountry.ir at a specific time and requested
Perhaps some folks here with real experience working in ISPs could help us out here. What have you been asked to retain? DHCP logs? Web proxy logs? What else? (Note -- posting AC about this is probably a good idea.)
The police are right to ignore you. There are violent crimes to worry about. I don't think I'll go as far as calling you an asshole, however, as I am sure living next to a crack house is far less pleasant than living next to some stoners.
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I generally consider myself a republican for various reasons. However on november 7th I will cross that line at least for congress and the house. We need the dems there to restore some order and sanity to the legislative process instead of rubber stamping every single thing that runs through congress.
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Phone companies keep track of who calls who when in a record called the "pen register". These records are readily available to government investigators; all they need to do is tell a judge they're going to look, and no justification is needed. To actually listen to your conversations, they need to justify a court order for the wiretap.
The Internet equivalent (more or less) is what web sites you visit when. So the Feds (from this point of view) just want the same kind of information they can get regarding your phone calls. The problem is that ISPs don't need to keep this information to bill you correctly, so they don't retain it. Hence, we have lawmaking so that ISPs do retain this info.
Conclusion: This is not as big a deal as many here think.
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Are we such cowards that we let the administration get away with this?
Are we such cowards that we are afraid of justice (habeus corpus)?
Are we so lazy we want to hand over our duty of vigilence to the police? We are citizens; it is not our duty to pay attention to the country and notice threats against it?
Are we so terrorized we will give up our power to a 'protector government'?
Bah!
If they can identify the offenders, surely they would prevent future victims ?
Or maybe it's a Freudian slip, because they know it won't prevent anything, but maybe, just maybe, enable them to exact retribution after the fact. And it's instilling the notion that they are there to "protect" us because we can't do it ourselves.
I am sure this is not the way to go. If you want to catch the real big fish at least. If it is your goal to catch as much communications from you common citizens and store it this might be a good solution. However it is always the excuse of, "we do this to prevent terrorism".
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Bull, the FBI and alike know that the real terrorist will not expose themselves this easy that they can be sniffed from the Internet. They will use simply very strong encryption, hide this in other documents so it is not found that easy. They will rely on the old fashion but still good working messengers.
The will have access to highly educated helpers who will provide them with the know-how and technology to communicate without any readable trace.
In my opinion the terrorist case is used much to often to get something what they otherwise never should have had.
No No we need this because of the terrorists,.. mmm ok yeah sure spy on the citizens because of the terrorists, no questions asked.
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We've seen what happens when we give the government everything it wants... abuse, lies and deceit. I don't hate the government, I just hate the corrupt, power-hungry people running it.
Now let's try something different, an actual democracy in the US..
Democracy by definition is a representative government and the majority of the citizens support laws that are in agreement with their beleifs and lifestyles. Since these kind of laws and "guidelines" aren't being passed in accordance with those beliefs, we are not in a democracy any longer, and so we should continue to fight to get our government back.
In that capacity, I think if ISPs are going to start retaining data, we'll just have to start encrypting it with some nice strong algorithms. Heck, double-encrypt the data with some non-overlapping methods.
You take, we take back. That's how a democracy works.
There's nothing law enforcement can do, no law that can be passed, that guarantees they'll always be able to listen in on bad guys. Even if they get this thing rammed through, it's not going to do any good, because smart bad guys will know what the law is and what is required to be retained. They'll work around it.
And bad guys aside, there's also the issue of innocent people. I'm not talking about just the collateral damage of people losing their privacy and saying "what a shame" or "how dare you do this to them?!" I'm saying: some of them will just plain not accept it, and they will resist it. They will make tools that protect them from the threat against the citizens that you are creating. (Where do you think PGP came from?) If you force the good guys to protect themselves from the government, then the bad guys will also obtain the same technology. So you're back to square one, except that now society has the expense of keeping all these useless logs (well, useless for anything other than malignant abuse), and there's a chance that even the dumb bad guys will start accidently using good privacy technology by default.
LE and the military got themselves in the habit of enjoying this benefits of technique, and it was a good windfall for them, but it was transient and it is going to go away. No law can change that fact. They need to start working on other ways to gather evidence and intel.
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The internet is not the least of my worries, nor is the RIAA or MPAA the most of my worries. The government enacts data retention laws under the guise of 'neccessary to catch terrorists' when in reality they will use this data for any snooping they would like to do. After this law is passed without a sunset clause, the next law will be a change in requirements to access this data such as the current circumvention of warrants for phone taps.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the progression.
When I worked for an ISP, the only interesting records kept (but not retained for long) were SMTP and DHCP logs. And what terrorist is using his/her ISPs email to transmit important terrorism related information? That leaves DHCP logs. So I guess if you know the IP of a terrorist at any given time, you can find who owns the line and their home address. If this is all we are talking about, I say "fine, whatever." The problem is that I get the impression that the FBI and DHS want more. LIke they want ISPs to actively monitor what customers are doing and keep things like packet header dumps of all traffic and shit like that... which is totally unreasonable (ethically and technically)
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I'd argue that unless the guy getting fedexed reefer is involved in crimes of violence, he's not really a threat compared to someone wanting to blow up stuff. In fact, if we would legalize his trade we'd not only make money off the various taxes (income, sales, drug, etc) but we'd pull the money out of the black market where it might actually (although with weed, not likely) be supporting terrorism or at least a violent criminal enterprise.
But it makes me wonder -- has the WoD gone by the wayside since we changed to the WoT, especially given the mashups that turned various Federal LEOs into Homeland Security?
And speaking of the war on terror and the war on drugs, why don't we just figure out how to buy the entire Afghani opium harvest? Wouldn't that more or less solve a bunch of problems at the same time? IIRC, a warlord in the Golden Triangle once offered us that very opportunity which we turned down -- better to let someone else buy it, and then spend 10x the money and manpower trying to catch them instead, I guess....
Who's going to help the ISP's pay for whats needed to do this? I know some ISP's *cough* like the large cable providers and Ameritec who is now know as SBC who is now known as AT&T are swimming in money... but there are many others out there that can't pay for the drive space to store this crap on.
BTW didn't I just see some article all about how the computer tech people need to educate the older mainly government people about computers and how the internet works?
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Time to move out or face up to your regime.
All that is going to do is put smaller ISP's out of business and further aggregate the powers that are in control of our access to free and vital information. Besides.. wasn't it the FBI that put all those Carnivore machines in place at ISPs around the country to snarf up all that data?
How much would it cost for an ISP to store ALL data that passes through their wires? At gigabytes per customer per month? Or can redundant data be efficiently compressed?
That should keep those pesky terrorists out! I re-set my logs to rotate and remove every day. Now when the terrorists come knocking at my door asking for logs so they can find more terrorists, I can say sorry sir, but I cannot self incriminate.
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I guess -- speeding tickets are easy money. That definitely plays into laziness! :)
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We don't delete log files for no reason. We delete them because they're not worth keeping. Why wash toilet paper?
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How come they get to telecommute when most of us can't? :-(
Guess they have more supportive management -and benefits! 17 virgin afterlife sure beats underwater options.
Retention of internet traffic is extremely costly, especially when you dump all multimedia content and so on. Who will pay for this?
In Latvia, a small country in north Europe, they have a policy of data retention, which doesn't work. Because nobody has money enough to support it. ISPs have no money to store even one day of internet traffic. And that's in Latvia, with total country population about 7 times less than New York city.
So the obvious question is - who will pay for this? I guess in all cases - American citizens.
Bet he cant provide one example of an internet terroist getting away for lack of data.
They cant find a open network to use ssid linksys Dumb morons running this country If this is how they expect to win a war we are dead.
Sounds like the politicians are still alive. Nobody's gonna fix that?
#1 The feds give me new equipment.
#2 The feds give me tax breaks for doing their damn job.
#3 buy me out.
#4 make me believe it will do some good.
#5 stop all spamming so I could have the space on my servers to store their crap.
Face it, it's not gonna happen. Which data would get saved anyway? You have radius logs, you have mail logs, you have ftp logs, you have irc logs, you have samba logs, and the list keeps going. There simply aren't enough hard drives to store this type of data for any lengthy period of time. Even compressed. Find another way or put me on the payroll.