While the source may be available, that won't mean it can't contain DRM. After all, any good secure system should be secure wether or not the source is visible or not.
But no implementation of DRM can be considered a "good secure system". The whole concept is to take PKI and try to keep the private key away from the owner so he/she cannot use it for anything except what the content owner wants you to use it for. This is why MS is trying to stick private keys in hardware. This is why the iTMS DRM removal tool needs to be able to get your key out of either the iTunes software or your iPod.
Trying to do DRM in something completely open source will NEVER work. DRM is security by obscurity, plain and simple.
If Lexmark's ink cartridges are protected by a security system (and thus, the DMCA) how long do you think it will be before your car's diagnostic system is? Or radio, filters, and tires for that matter? Can't have you using unauthorized third party equipment on that car when the dealership can sell you the same thing for twice the price...
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. I have a lot of respect for the kernel team but they know absolutely nothing when it comes to security. LKML can be a very eye opening and frightening list if you are a security geek.
The word you are missing is MARGINAL. Marginal cost, which is certainly 0, or as close to 0 as to make it effectivly 0, I know electrons technically cost something, so does the iron oxide you are using to save to magnatic media.
There are certainly up front costs, but absolutly no cost to reproduce the product once it has been designed (unlike, say, a car).
Over time, the price of most goods approches the margial cost, we are beginning to see this with software.
Not if my loved ones are in it. Not worth risking their injury, rape, or death on the chance that the person who broke into my home is only interested in material things and has no interest in hurting anyone. (girlfriend and her two kids assuming I am at her place)
Having said that, I have the fortune of living in a place where the bedrooms are on the second floor. So if someone were to break in and was downstairs making off with my TV, game systems, and SGI O2, I would call 911 from the upstrairs and wait (as you said, my material positions are not worth someone's life, and it is never a good idea to confront someone who is likely dangerous and running on a LOT of adrenaline ). However if he/she ended up coming up the stairs, their life is forfit.
RH 7.0 wasn't THAT bad (much better, security wise, than ANY of the 6.x series). Redhat has always had a couple of bad releases, but never a string of bad ones as long as this last stretch (8, 9, FC1, FC2)
(1) Your gun is not a toy (2) Only reach for your gun as a last resort (3) Only shoot if absolutely necessary (4) If you have to shoot, shoot to kill. "Your word against his" is a lot easier when "he" is dead.
Seriously, though, in this country (US), it is easier to deal with an "excessive force" charge as a victim than the civil suit for "lost wages and mental anguish" from your now-wounded attacker.
This probably will get modded down, but whether you agree with it or not, he is right.
Please don't. Nothing like pissing off the guy who might very well have a gun or knife. Or is just large enough to get it from you and use it against you.
I've been using Redhat nearly exclusivly since 4.2 (switched from Slackware). Redhat 7.3 was the best, hands down. I gladly used it for desktops, servers, everything. Then RH 8 was released. Suddenly RPM would randomly corrupt itself, sometimes unrecoverably. Other random stability problems cropped up. RH 9 was "slightly" better, but not anywhere as good as 7.3. Fedora Core 1 was worse, Fedora Core 2 is a nightmare. I hate to call it quits but frankly Redhat has been nothing but a disappointment since 7.3. I'm looking at Debian (gentoo is really nice, but I need stability and quality control is something that is severly lacking there), SuSE (nice, but priced almost worse than Windows), and *BSD (not as much third party software, but that doesn't effect me much)
Redhat sadly is going to have to go. I do have two Enterprise Linux boxes which are performing admirably, but little glitches are still sometimes showing up with updates. How did redhat fall so far since 7.3?
Just because you get paid to write OSS code does not mean that you are, coloquially, a "pro".
Of course not, but just because you write OSS code doesn't mean you do not also write code "professionally". Some of us code professionally and write OSS code either in our spare time or as part of our job. Are there more inept amateur open source coders than inept professional coders? Almost certainly, since anyone can do the former. However they are of little consequence. The real question is are the "cream of the crop" programmers in OSS better than the purely professional coders? The question actually could be phrased as "what is the better motivator for quality? money or doing something you love?. The music industry has clearly answered this question in my opinion, but the market still has to answer it for the coders. Right now there is no clear answer, looking at the top programs out there sometimes OSS is a clear winner, sometimes something proprietary is. It all depends on what your specific needs are.
It also depends on the goals of the program, I don't think anyone would consider AOL's IM to be the best AIM client. It's goals are to display ads to you. Gaim does the instant messaging thing much better (so do most client, open or not). One clear advantage of OSS is that it is designed only to meet the needs to the users, not anything ulterior. Mozilla blocks pop up ads, IE and Netscape didn't not because their users didn't want this, but because it was politically a problem for them to do. OSS also generally has better interoperability with other programs because it is not part of the model to attempt to lock people into using only a specific author's stuff.
I didn't read it that way at all. It sounds like he is saying "We know corporations legally use open source software, but is there any way to know that they don't also illegally use it?" And the answer really is 'no'. Unlike open source projects, (which are quite easy to audit the source of) we really have no idea if corporations are illegally copying open source code or not.
So what about email? Some people use that as their primary means of communication. Or Instant messaging? As technology moves forward and new methods of communication come out will all of them be forced to deal with emergency services? Some of them? Who decides and on what criteria?
Actually, soldiers who abuse prisoners can receive a lot more than a year in prison. The first guy got one year because he wasn't directly involved; he just took the pictures. Look for stiffer sentences in the future.
Yes, look for many "grunts" to take the fall for this. I'm sure of of their superiors were completly unaware of any of this and certainly did not condone it. (not that the grunts doing this don't deserve strong punishments, but you know it will never go higher than that)
Yes, because the trademarked it. Googel was never trademarked. That would be like whoever came up with the word "bling" trying to sue rappers for using it. (which I for one would welcome, but that is beside the point)
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Remember, those "target weight for a given height" charts assume an "average" body. If you have a small frame and no muscle then they will read high. If you are perfectly healthy and have a muscular physique, you will appear to be "obese" on one of these charts.
Let me make a suggestion, exercise. Bodybuild, whatever. Eventually you are going to be bald, but create a kick ass body and nobody is going to care at all.
Really? Did you read what was removed? (hint: it is in the article). So under the Patriot Act the government can get screen name, email addy, etc. from ISPs. How can that knowledge affect a pending case? It is spelled out in the Patroit Act for crying out loud??!!
Wait, there is a theory that with $200 of equipment, you can get 80% accuracy on this. Is there any reason why this is still just a theory? Can anyone scrap together the $200 to test this theory?
If only science weren't so expensive. Imagine how many other theories we could test if we could somehow get our hands on $500!
Yes, because Java applications only run on Macs. I'll never understand why Sun made it that way, you would think a cross platform runtime environment would have been a better idea.
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While the source may be available, that won't mean it can't contain DRM. After all, any good secure system should be secure wether or not the source is visible or not.
But no implementation of DRM can be considered a "good secure system". The whole concept is to take PKI and try to keep the private key away from the owner so he/she cannot use it for anything except what the content owner wants you to use it for. This is why MS is trying to stick private keys in hardware. This is why the iTMS DRM removal tool needs to be able to get your key out of either the iTunes software or your iPod.
Trying to do DRM in something completely open source will NEVER work. DRM is security by obscurity, plain and simple.
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If Lexmark's ink cartridges are protected by a security system (and thus, the DMCA) how long do you think it will be before your car's diagnostic system is? Or radio, filters, and tires for that matter? Can't have you using unauthorized third party equipment on that car when the dealership can sell you the same thing for twice the price...
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I don't know about "nothing tangible", notice that you don't die every night that temperature drops below 20 :)
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Why won't the kernel team commit it?
Unfortunately the answer is pretty simple. I have a lot of respect for the kernel team but they know absolutely nothing when it comes to security. LKML can be a very eye opening and frightening list if you are a security geek.
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The word you are missing is MARGINAL. Marginal cost, which is certainly 0, or as close to 0 as to make it effectivly 0, I know electrons technically cost something, so does the iron oxide you are using to save to magnatic media.
There are certainly up front costs, but absolutly no cost to reproduce the product once it has been designed (unlike, say, a car).
Over time, the price of most goods approches the margial cost, we are beginning to see this with software.
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Works when your home is burglarized, too.
Not if my loved ones are in it. Not worth risking their injury, rape, or death on the chance that the person who broke into my home is only interested in material things and has no interest in hurting anyone. (girlfriend and her two kids assuming I am at her place)
Having said that, I have the fortune of living in a place where the bedrooms are on the second floor. So if someone were to break in and was downstairs making off with my TV, game systems, and SGI O2, I would call 911 from the upstrairs and wait (as you said, my material positions are not worth someone's life, and it is never a good idea to confront someone who is likely dangerous and running on a LOT of adrenaline ). However if he/she ended up coming up the stairs, their life is forfit.
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RH 7.0 wasn't THAT bad (much better, security wise, than ANY of the 6.x series). Redhat has always had a couple of bad releases, but never a string of bad ones as long as this last stretch (8, 9, FC1, FC2)
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(1) Your gun is not a toy
(2) Only reach for your gun as a last resort
(3) Only shoot if absolutely necessary
(4) If you have to shoot, shoot to kill. "Your word against his" is a lot easier when "he" is dead.
Seriously, though, in this country (US), it is easier to deal with an "excessive force" charge as a victim than the civil suit for "lost wages and mental anguish" from your now-wounded attacker.
This probably will get modded down, but whether you agree with it or not, he is right.
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Consider carrying a tazer.
Please don't. Nothing like pissing off the guy who might very well have a gun or knife. Or is just large enough to get it from you and use it against you.
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By third party I was thinking more of commercial software packages and hardware.
OpenBSD would be ideal if not for it's inability to support more than one processor (dual proc systems being most of what I have).
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I've been using Redhat nearly exclusivly since 4.2 (switched from Slackware). Redhat 7.3 was the best, hands down. I gladly used it for desktops, servers, everything. Then RH 8 was released. Suddenly RPM would randomly corrupt itself, sometimes unrecoverably. Other random stability problems cropped up. RH 9 was "slightly" better, but not anywhere as good as 7.3. Fedora Core 1 was worse, Fedora Core 2 is a nightmare. I hate to call it quits but frankly Redhat has been nothing but a disappointment since 7.3. I'm looking at Debian (gentoo is really nice, but I need stability and quality control is something that is severly lacking there), SuSE (nice, but priced almost worse than Windows), and *BSD (not as much third party software, but that doesn't effect me much)
Redhat sadly is going to have to go. I do have two Enterprise Linux boxes which are performing admirably, but little glitches are still sometimes showing up with updates. How did redhat fall so far since 7.3?
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Just because you get paid to write OSS code does not mean that you are, coloquially, a "pro".
Of course not, but just because you write OSS code doesn't mean you do not also write code "professionally". Some of us code professionally and write OSS code either in our spare time or as part of our job. Are there more inept amateur open source coders than inept professional coders? Almost certainly, since anyone can do the former. However they are of little consequence. The real question is are the "cream of the crop" programmers in OSS better than the purely professional coders? The question actually could be phrased as "what is the better motivator for quality? money or doing something you love?. The music industry has clearly answered this question in my opinion, but the market still has to answer it for the coders. Right now there is no clear answer, looking at the top programs out there sometimes OSS is a clear winner, sometimes something proprietary is. It all depends on what your specific needs are.
It also depends on the goals of the program, I don't think anyone would consider AOL's IM to be the best AIM client. It's goals are to display ads to you. Gaim does the instant messaging thing much better (so do most client, open or not). One clear advantage of OSS is that it is designed only to meet the needs to the users, not anything ulterior. Mozilla blocks pop up ads, IE and Netscape didn't not because their users didn't want this, but because it was politically a problem for them to do. OSS also generally has better interoperability with other programs because it is not part of the model to attempt to lock people into using only a specific author's stuff.
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I didn't read it that way at all. It sounds like he is saying "We know corporations legally use open source software, but is there any way to know that they don't also illegally use it?" And the answer really is 'no'. Unlike open source projects, (which are quite easy to audit the source of) we really have no idea if corporations are illegally copying open source code or not.
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So what about email? Some people use that as their primary means of communication. Or Instant messaging? As technology moves forward and new methods of communication come out will all of them be forced to deal with emergency services? Some of them? Who decides and on what criteria?
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it isn't the website, it is the wma9 drm format. It only plays on windows media player 9 on windows.
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Way offtopic, but here we go
Actually, soldiers who abuse prisoners can receive a lot more than a year in prison. The first guy got one year because he wasn't directly involved; he just took the pictures. Look for stiffer sentences in the future.
Yes, look for many "grunts" to take the fall for this. I'm sure of of their superiors were completly unaware of any of this and certainly did not condone it. (not that the grunts doing this don't deserve strong punishments, but you know it will never go higher than that)
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Looking at the Java Desktop System, I think that this is Sun's endgame as well.
Looking at the Java Desktop System, I think that it is GNOME with a custom theme. Nothing more.
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Insightful? Huh? Can you provide me with a link that shows that Google derived its name from googol?
Certainly
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Yes, because the trademarked it. Googel was never trademarked. That would be like whoever came up with the word "bling" trying to sue rappers for using it. (which I for one would welcome, but that is beside the point)
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Remember, those "target weight for a given height" charts assume an "average" body. If you have a small frame and no muscle then they will read high. If you are perfectly healthy and have a muscular physique, you will appear to be "obese" on one of these charts.
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Let me make a suggestion, exercise. Bodybuild, whatever. Eventually you are going to be bald, but create a kick ass body and nobody is going to care at all.
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Really? Did you read what was removed? (hint: it is in the article). So under the Patriot Act the government can get screen name, email addy, etc. from ISPs. How can that knowledge affect a pending case? It is spelled out in the Patroit Act for crying out loud??!!
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That sounds about right, IN THEORY :)
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Wait, there is a theory that with $200 of equipment, you can get 80% accuracy on this. Is there any reason why this is still just a theory? Can anyone scrap together the $200 to test this theory?
If only science weren't so expensive. Imagine how many other theories we could test if we could somehow get our hands on $500!
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Because most people are not using Macintoshes.
Yes, because Java applications only run on Macs.
I'll never understand why Sun made it that way, you would think a cross platform runtime environment would have been a better idea.
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