Power in a server farm matters, as it does for a laptop, but for a home PC it is not nearly my top concern. Crappy integrated graphics are important for a laptop, but. It for a decent gaming machine. So the top two improvements are of near zero value to me who want a good gaming machine and are frustrated by the focus on GPU and power. I want more core and clock speed without the SEVERE increase in price Intel demands for aa 6 or 8 core CPU.
Moore's law is dead. Core count is stagnant. All recent gains seem to be in incremental power savings.
In this particular case the 6500 is a fixed 3.2 GHz, while the 6600K is 3.5 GHz as shipped. The 6600K can readily be pushed to 4.2 GHz on air, which is partly why you pay the extra K tax to be able to pull those shenanigans, and you get to leave the cheaper part in th edust.
Most garages are filled up with junk other than a car. Boxes and boxes of old crap that isn't getting used, due to the season, only occasional need, or just not depreciated enough to toss.
Space is a vacuum. Having a large open area just for VR games is quite the waste for most. So unless your life revolves around your gaming, or you have more money than sense, carving out a 15'x15' space is a huge commitment to play some games. Most folks with kids are lucky to get a few hours a week to play games.
Yeah, 43 is pretty darn small compared to all the good that could be accomplished more easily with improved prenatal care, better schools, universal healthcare, and better family leave laws. I'm all for reigning in the current craziness on guns, don't get me wrong, but the outrage needs to be proportional the level of tragedy.
Same here, been doing this crap as a profession for 17 years and never heard of this guy. I started after the Radio Shack era, and have mostly been a Digikey guy for all the jelly bean level tinkering. The real stuff is all on wafers.
Autonomous cars seem to be a product that is supply driven. Of the folks I know only a couple actually dislike driving, many hate bring a passenger, especially the two who easily get road sick. The whole thing strikes be as a "because we can" proposition.
I rather expect it to be a shiny feature that most folks will quickly tire of and shut off.
What is an acceptable support life for the car's software? Can we require a minimum of 20 years of map and security/safety updates? Will Google do a better job than they have with their phone platform? Will "classic" cars be illegal to drive once their software and maps are no longer supported?
Having to sit in the driveway for a couple minutes and poke through menus to select an exact location will annoy a lot of folks. We are so used to just getting in and going that half the people are still putting on their seat belts as they pull onto the road.
The OP's point I think is that it is one thing to talk about the safety of a brand new car. It is another to ask whether you want to share the road with a 20 year old autonomous car that is long out of support life, and has not been the best maintained from a mechanical or software perspective.
It is amazing what junk is already allowed on the road, but when you start having to worry about what revision of software is hurtling down the road at you on bald tires and road grime covered LIDAR, do you feel lucky punk?
The counter argument is that these cars should all just brick themselves if they are overdue for an oil change, a tire rotation, or have not been kept up to date on software. Such limitations would really tick off a lot of folks here. Similarly let's look at google's track record of keeping their Android phones up to date on security fixes, would you accept that kind of track record when it comes to a new car who's liability waiver likely will include security update clauses and such?
Would you be OK if the liability waver is void if you buy the wrong brand of tires, or put on spinny wheels, upgrade the exhaust, etc? How about if all of a sudden your autonomous car loses liability coverage because Chrysler/Fiat finally went out of business and got to shed that liability as part of the bankruptcy?
One of their links to the the "Wikihouse", an even more barf-tastic name. Neither this things or the Wikihouse actually go into any detail as to what holds them together, despite it being the most attention grabbing part of the click-bait. Usually that means it is a gimmick. "No nails!" might mean it uses screws only, "No bolts!" might mean only nails...
90% website design, 10% house design. What could go wrong?
Your comparison is probably more apt than you think. Many foods are awful to the un-initiated, yet are beloved ethnic dishes for those who grew up on the stuff. Many economic theories are awful as well, but to the right inward looking political faction they become necessary doctrine.
Voodoo trickle down economics has had more holes shot in it than a rural stop sign, yet it is mandatory belief among the Chicago Business school crowd, and many republicans. They have a taste for it, and will never give it up. Data be damned. Meanwhile eggplant is still a thing, as is peanut butter and chocolate ice cream, lutefisk, kimchi, haggis, and the thousand year egg despite many valid data points indicating they are culinary follies.
On the whole I think that Economics, Psychology, and Sociology belong in a category other than "Science". Macro-economics suffers too much from a lack of proper experimentation, making too many important conclusions from sparsely available "natural" experiments and way too many "thought" experiments (see Russ Roberts and any number of his podcasts to see how hokey they are). Such tactics don't fly in real science. I don't want to dismiss these fields out of hand, as there is much value in studying and modeling the world around us, but they mostly cannot be built on a sturdy enough foundation to rise to the level of "science", and I think it does harm to the real sciences in the process.
Much of science itself is going through a bit of a repeatability crisis, yet still looks like it has far fewer floor sweepings going into the proverbial sausage compared to Economics, Sociology, and Psychology.
For every phone design they run a competition among vendors for key parts that need to be custom for their plan. As their success has increased it has become clear that this model has issues. Reserving half your fab capacity for Apple in case of a design win is VERY expensive, and losing has crippled a couple of their suppliers. Similarly winning comes with the need to do a MASSIVE product ramp. As a result they have had to come up with new internal tactics to keep key suppliers from going under if they miss out on a product cycle, and to balance load if one vendor wins too many slots for their fab capacity.
It sounds like for whatever reason (necessity, or luck) they ended up with 2 viable suppliers for the CPU. Odds are that if they ONLY went with TSMC that the ramp would be much slower than demand and people would be ticked off. Instead they split the orders and announced product specs that both CPUs could meet. Some people got lucky and will get battery life better than expected, but there is nothing nefarious about this, just the realities of having to make tens of millions of something over a very narrow production window.
Whine too much and they may add software to burn extra power to dumb down the more efficient CPU's in the future.
Corporations are people, except when it comes to criminal liability.
Car companies have a very poor track record when it comes to liability. They tend to fight responsibility for years. Is that what people are willing to accept if they have had their lives shattered by some badly written code that caused a car to cripple them?
Unless there is a clear and transparent translation as to what "liability" they are taking on means, we can expect that all lawsuits will get met with typical car company fervor, with stonewalling for access to technical documents and code being more likely than not. It is easier for a company with a fleet of lawyers to make these offers than for me to accept such an offer.
News Flash from the present: Deforestation has drastically reduced the wind resistance of the surface of the earth, we must replant trees ASAP to restore the natural slowing of the rotation of the earth.
News flash from the present: The moon is slowing down the rotation of the earth through tides. We must carve giant channels through the continents to better allow the seas to get around the continents.
Fossils have a plethora of subsidies, some more obvious than others.
You don't need a big military presence in the middle east, or even the threat of one to keep the wind blowing. Oil does. We end up having to maintain alliances, troops, and share military firepower with awful countries like Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, and many more. These relationships are deeply corrosive to the image we try to portray to ourselves as "freedom loving Americans". Double think becomes necessary at an early age. Good luck estimating a price tag for a corroded soul.
It gives the players involved time to setup any sort of spin, distraction, press release, leak, or other propaganda to snub the expected protests.
If you pay attention you can see it in action. Shortly before the Iran deal was announced there were a bunch of stories about amazing bunker buster bombs, which were nothing new, but magically were on the second pages of assorted news sites. Once the deal was announced it was clear to me that it was all nicely orchestrated to either pressure Iran into accepting or else, or to snub those that would argue we would be toothless on the enforcement side (likely both).
So watch the news cycle carefully for the next 30 days. Friendly "journalists" will be getting special access and you can expect a lot of stories based on that access that will paint things in a positive light. You will see a lot of selling and spinning in the affected countries. By time the full text comes out and the analysis comes out it will be fighting an uphill battle to re-ignite outrage that has already been tamped down.
I can't bring myself to buy an Apple, but it is crap like this that makes me foolish for not doing so. My last phone got a couple updates, but they brought it from slow to cripplingly slow (Galaxy Victory POS). I went higher end this time with a Nexus 6 hoping it will be supported longer, has less bloatware, and be fast enough to survive a few update cycles. Who knows...
It is very sad that a dual core 1.2 GHz processor and a gig of RAM would not be enough to keep a stupid phone fast enough to be usable. Now I have a 4 core monster in my pocket with more pixels than my PC, but no real assurance it won't turn into a paper weight in a couple years.
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Power in a server farm matters, as it does for a laptop, but for a home PC it is not nearly my top concern. Crappy integrated graphics are important for a laptop, but. It for a decent gaming machine. So the top two improvements are of near zero value to me who want a good gaming machine and are frustrated by the focus on GPU and power. I want more core and clock speed without the SEVERE increase in price Intel demands for aa 6 or 8 core CPU.
Moore's law is dead. Core count is stagnant. All recent gains seem to be in incremental power savings.
In this particular case the 6500 is a fixed 3.2 GHz, while the 6600K is 3.5 GHz as shipped. The 6600K can readily be pushed to 4.2 GHz on air, which is partly why you pay the extra K tax to be able to pull those shenanigans, and you get to leave the cheaper part in th edust.
Most garages are filled up with junk other than a car. Boxes and boxes of old crap that isn't getting used, due to the season, only occasional need, or just not depreciated enough to toss.
Space is a vacuum. Having a large open area just for VR games is quite the waste for most. So unless your life revolves around your gaming, or you have more money than sense, carving out a 15'x15' space is a huge commitment to play some games. Most folks with kids are lucky to get a few hours a week to play games.
Big data says your a cheapskate and not worth the effort.
Yeah, 43 is pretty darn small compared to all the good that could be accomplished more easily with improved prenatal care, better schools, universal healthcare, and better family leave laws. I'm all for reigning in the current craziness on guns, don't get me wrong, but the outrage needs to be proportional the level of tragedy.
That is pretty heartless.
Same here, been doing this crap as a profession for 17 years and never heard of this guy. I started after the Radio Shack era, and have mostly been a Digikey guy for all the jelly bean level tinkering. The real stuff is all on wafers.
Autonomous cars seem to be a product that is supply driven. Of the folks I know only a couple actually dislike driving, many hate bring a passenger, especially the two who easily get road sick. The whole thing strikes be as a "because we can" proposition.
I rather expect it to be a shiny feature that most folks will quickly tire of and shut off.
What is an acceptable support life for the car's software? Can we require a minimum of 20 years of map and security/safety updates? Will Google do a better job than they have with their phone platform? Will "classic" cars be illegal to drive once their software and maps are no longer supported?
Having to sit in the driveway for a couple minutes and poke through menus to select an exact location will annoy a lot of folks. We are so used to just getting in and going that half the people are still putting on their seat belts as they pull onto the road.
The OP's point I think is that it is one thing to talk about the safety of a brand new car. It is another to ask whether you want to share the road with a 20 year old autonomous car that is long out of support life, and has not been the best maintained from a mechanical or software perspective.
It is amazing what junk is already allowed on the road, but when you start having to worry about what revision of software is hurtling down the road at you on bald tires and road grime covered LIDAR, do you feel lucky punk?
The counter argument is that these cars should all just brick themselves if they are overdue for an oil change, a tire rotation, or have not been kept up to date on software. Such limitations would really tick off a lot of folks here. Similarly let's look at google's track record of keeping their Android phones up to date on security fixes, would you accept that kind of track record when it comes to a new car who's liability waiver likely will include security update clauses and such?
Would you be OK if the liability waver is void if you buy the wrong brand of tires, or put on spinny wheels, upgrade the exhaust, etc? How about if all of a sudden your autonomous car loses liability coverage because Chrysler/Fiat finally went out of business and got to shed that liability as part of the bankruptcy?
How about to grab a latte at the local coffee shack? Or maybe grab a burger from the drive in?
Or how about to slow down and pull over where I tell you so I can pick Johny up from school on the way to/from home to/from wherever.
How about to ask it to park and wait in the shade with my groceries while I run into this other store to get something else?
One of their links to the the "Wikihouse", an even more barf-tastic name. Neither this things or the Wikihouse actually go into any detail as to what holds them together, despite it being the most attention grabbing part of the click-bait. Usually that means it is a gimmick. "No nails!" might mean it uses screws only, "No bolts!" might mean only nails...
90% website design, 10% house design. What could go wrong?
No, your house plans uses nails. Nails disqualify you. Try using something simpler like a CNC next time.
Sheesh, get with the times bud.
Your comparison is probably more apt than you think. Many foods are awful to the un-initiated, yet are beloved ethnic dishes for those who grew up on the stuff. Many economic theories are awful as well, but to the right inward looking political faction they become necessary doctrine.
Voodoo trickle down economics has had more holes shot in it than a rural stop sign, yet it is mandatory belief among the Chicago Business school crowd, and many republicans. They have a taste for it, and will never give it up. Data be damned. Meanwhile eggplant is still a thing, as is peanut butter and chocolate ice cream, lutefisk, kimchi, haggis, and the thousand year egg despite many valid data points indicating they are culinary follies.
On the whole I think that Economics, Psychology, and Sociology belong in a category other than "Science". Macro-economics suffers too much from a lack of proper experimentation, making too many important conclusions from sparsely available "natural" experiments and way too many "thought" experiments (see Russ Roberts and any number of his podcasts to see how hokey they are). Such tactics don't fly in real science. I don't want to dismiss these fields out of hand, as there is much value in studying and modeling the world around us, but they mostly cannot be built on a sturdy enough foundation to rise to the level of "science", and I think it does harm to the real sciences in the process.
Much of science itself is going through a bit of a repeatability crisis, yet still looks like it has far fewer floor sweepings going into the proverbial sausage compared to Economics, Sociology, and Psychology.
For every phone design they run a competition among vendors for key parts that need to be custom for their plan. As their success has increased it has become clear that this model has issues. Reserving half your fab capacity for Apple in case of a design win is VERY expensive, and losing has crippled a couple of their suppliers. Similarly winning comes with the need to do a MASSIVE product ramp. As a result they have had to come up with new internal tactics to keep key suppliers from going under if they miss out on a product cycle, and to balance load if one vendor wins too many slots for their fab capacity.
It sounds like for whatever reason (necessity, or luck) they ended up with 2 viable suppliers for the CPU. Odds are that if they ONLY went with TSMC that the ramp would be much slower than demand and people would be ticked off. Instead they split the orders and announced product specs that both CPUs could meet. Some people got lucky and will get battery life better than expected, but there is nothing nefarious about this, just the realities of having to make tens of millions of something over a very narrow production window.
Whine too much and they may add software to burn extra power to dumb down the more efficient CPU's in the future.
Corporations are people, except when it comes to criminal liability.
Car companies have a very poor track record when it comes to liability. They tend to fight responsibility for years. Is that what people are willing to accept if they have had their lives shattered by some badly written code that caused a car to cripple them?
Unless there is a clear and transparent translation as to what "liability" they are taking on means, we can expect that all lawsuits will get met with typical car company fervor, with stonewalling for access to technical documents and code being more likely than not. It is easier for a company with a fleet of lawyers to make these offers than for me to accept such an offer.
News Flash from the present: Deforestation has drastically reduced the wind resistance of the surface of the earth, we must replant trees ASAP to restore the natural slowing of the rotation of the earth.
News flash from the present: The moon is slowing down the rotation of the earth through tides. We must carve giant channels through the continents to better allow the seas to get around the continents.
Fossils have a plethora of subsidies, some more obvious than others.
You don't need a big military presence in the middle east, or even the threat of one to keep the wind blowing. Oil does. We end up having to maintain alliances, troops, and share military firepower with awful countries like Saudia Arabia, Bahrain, Iraq, Kuwait, and many more. These relationships are deeply corrosive to the image we try to portray to ourselves as "freedom loving Americans". Double think becomes necessary at an early age. Good luck estimating a price tag for a corroded soul.
It gives the players involved time to setup any sort of spin, distraction, press release, leak, or other propaganda to snub the expected protests.
If you pay attention you can see it in action. Shortly before the Iran deal was announced there were a bunch of stories about amazing bunker buster bombs, which were nothing new, but magically were on the second pages of assorted news sites. Once the deal was announced it was clear to me that it was all nicely orchestrated to either pressure Iran into accepting or else, or to snub those that would argue we would be toothless on the enforcement side (likely both).
So watch the news cycle carefully for the next 30 days. Friendly "journalists" will be getting special access and you can expect a lot of stories based on that access that will paint things in a positive light. You will see a lot of selling and spinning in the affected countries. By time the full text comes out and the analysis comes out it will be fighting an uphill battle to re-ignite outrage that has already been tamped down.
No, we must all panic and claim Apple is doomed by Power-off-gate!
Whatever happened to Bend-gate?
I can't bring myself to buy an Apple, but it is crap like this that makes me foolish for not doing so. My last phone got a couple updates, but they brought it from slow to cripplingly slow (Galaxy Victory POS). I went higher end this time with a Nexus 6 hoping it will be supported longer, has less bloatware, and be fast enough to survive a few update cycles. Who knows...
It is very sad that a dual core 1.2 GHz processor and a gig of RAM would not be enough to keep a stupid phone fast enough to be usable. Now I have a 4 core monster in my pocket with more pixels than my PC, but no real assurance it won't turn into a paper weight in a couple years.
Quality is OK for voice. Coverage is like flipping a coin for anything under about a 20k person town, and data is often dog slow.
They also now do GSM on the t-mobile network, FYI.