I'll take that another step. For those of us with 1+GHz machines, what do you actually have to WAIT for? Very few people I know have to WAIT for their computers at all except for opening apps and browsing the web, which isn't even contingent on bus speed, it's I/O-bound. The BEST way to improve 'speed' on the desktop is to move to a lower-latency disk subsystem, one that can handle multiple concurrent I/O requests. If you've never tried slapping a nice SCSI drive into an older desktop you don't know what I mean, it's a WORLD of difference.
As for some of us, we really do notice bus speed/clock speed/cache size improvements, I do a lot of compiling on my Athlon-XP '2500+' and that's an all-around performance hog.
Ahh, the difference is between 'Usable Space' and 'Address Space'.
I might only have 52MB RAM in my system, but I can 'Address' 4GB. So can you!
The 'big idea' behind the 64-bit address space is that it's huge enough to map everything (RAM, Disk, some LAN-storage, Video RAM, etc.) 'the same' so you won't need to treat disk space different than RAM. This has far-reaching consequences. Think of the PalmPilot (older ones), it had anywhere between 512K and 16MB RAM, and NO hard disk, it just treated running apps like stored files, not running them through the CPU when they weren't needed. It's a great idea, but it's very far away from what I can tell; the people aren't ready for it, developers, schools, nobody's learning this new paradigm yet.
You won't NEED as much RAM as disk space, you'll HAVE the ability to map the entire disk as a piece of 'memory' and get to it the same way you would get to an address in RAM, just slower. Overall it seems much more sensible, to have all the 'storage' on the same playing field.
In the meantime, we'll finally be able to slap over 4GB into our machines, and certain things will be faster. And we'll have to deal with motherboard changes a few times before the field 'settles down' on reasonable designs.
And it's customers like you that lower the bar for corporate responsibility. Sure, no company is OBLIGATED to do it's customers well, but what I'm asking for is mostly in the name of housekeeping and general goodness. I try very hard to avoid companies that don't act in 'good faith' with their customers, it's a whole big market out there and I'd rather have a kinder, gentler vendor relationship than one where I get bent over and reamed.
Sure, sometimes it's unavoidable, like MS, there's no way my employer can ween some of the departments off their WinDell boxen, but Apple treats us more like 'family' than Dell, and it's very important to me that I have that sort of relationship with my vendors.
Exactly, I understand that corporate users are very picky about patches and compatability, but when you download IE6 from microsoft.com it should give you an up-to-the-latest-patch revision, if admins want tthe 'original unpatched' product they can dig a little deeper for it.
It's tough enough to get people to keep their products updated, there should be no reason for multiple reboots to get to a fully-patched state.
Seriously, when MS discontinues a product it should roll up all the updates, fixes, and upgrades to core components into one massive patch and put it out. It would save me a lot of trouble if I could just install IE6sp1, WinMedia 9, DirectX9, and all the patches all at once rather then go through a dozen reboots. It would also rock the house if you could 'slipstream' the patch into the.CAB files BEFORE installation. It would just be a good policy.
I fail to see how it's obsolete when coverage on ALL the other options is so far behind. There's federal laws requiring that all homes have a POTS line running to them, there's no such regulation for internet/IP lines. Maybe things are different on the west coast, but here in New England you can't even use cell phones at half the venues because reception is so terrible, let alone ubiquitous IP access. I can wardrive for MILES through the working-class areas and stores and not pick up a single signal. All the physical cable is also too old and dingy to properly handle DSL or other high-speed technology, the only thing that works well is cable internet.
Or we could just cut farm subsidies, buy food from Africa and let them fix themselves with the money, which is more of a thought-out 'unified' fix for the problem. Africa's only a disaster because their only feasible export is strangled out of competition by US and Euro subsidies. If we didn't let the farmers and herders squeeze our officials by the balls Africa would be the breadbasket of the world!
There would also be other wide-reaching ramifications, getting produce from there to here quickly would lead to new transport technologies (bigger/faster/cheaper planes and boats) and African governments would have enough money to secure power from constant rebellions (which cause so much damage today because governments are too poor to maintain decent security). Safer Africa means tourism increases, and you have the beginnings of full-force modernization.
Here in the west, we tend to make things worse by 'fixing' both ends of a problem. We tend to not look at things from an objective and rational standpoint and instead let our (religious) morals and short-term benefits outweigh what would inarguably be the 'best' decisions.
As for all the places you suggest we get money from 'instead', THERE IS NO MONEY, we're running a huge defecit. The war in Iraq, Halliburton, all of that is money we don't have, it's being borrowed. We need to seek the 'unified' solutions I was talking about before because they INCREASE available money rather than divert or spend it.
Thanks, We're aware that we can run DSS on a variety of systems, but we've already got an XServe with OSX server on it, we're going to have to upgrade it to 10.3 anyway for some of the better Active Directory integration features. The 'administration goodies' are vital, as I intend to give the Jazz teacher control over the QTSS aspect of the project after I get it working. As for QTExpress, it will do that stuff, but we need the catalog output to a proprietary Access DB (or a format it can input easily) that the library card catalog runs on.
Thank you for the input, BTW. All too often Slashdot is a bitchfest or senseless one-way ranting.
I've seen this too, but I use several browsers (IE, Moz, FBird, and Safari) and it happens with ALL of them. I think it has more to do with Slashdot being served dynamically from many servers all at once, and if one lags too long you get a page with all the decorations and icons, but no content, usually hitting 'refresh' will fix things. I started noticing it about a month and a half ago.
I'm setting something like this up at the school where I work. We've got a 2500+ CD 'Jazz Library' and instead of loaning CDs out to students we're digitizing all the content. We intend to make records in the library's card catalog which is accessible to all students via a web browser, the virtual cards will have 'rtsp:' URLs pointing to the streaming server. We've checked with a few labels and a lawyer and they all say it's alright as long as the students can't actually make straight copies of the data, which they can't with the QuickTime Streaming Server.
The big problem is getting all the departments to do their job, we need the Jazz department to front up all the labor and data for digitizing in a format that works with our streaming server and make records that the Library department's server can use. We also need the library department to actually integrate the records and attach the URLs that IT gives them from the streaming server. Not to mention the issue of who pays for the streaming server upgrades (OS X 10.3 unlimited server and huge hard disk space upgrades). We don't have an official 'project manager' on the payroll, so there's nobody with the job of coordinating who has to do what and how everything must be done.
Right now we have a G4 running iTunes (5 concurrent user limit) streaming to the dorms, and it's buying us time with the Jazz department.
Before you go, just test to make sure the 'Speech' extension and control panels are in order. Wouldn't want to get stuck out there in the cold with your machine not listening to you.
I too plugged mine in by accident. I got two cheap-o 1000VA UPS units a year ago, plugged them in inside a cabinet and put some six-outlet adapters coming out of them. After I plugged my printer in and blew out the whole rig when trying to print I had to run a 'special' unprotected cable to my computer area.
Well if you think about it OF really makes needing that GUI unnescessary. On an OF machine the BIOS is a lot smarter, it can 'make decisions' better than an 8-bit PC BIOS can, decisions like memory timings, disk configurations, network booting, etc. I've got both kinds of machines right here (OF Macs and PC-BIOS PCs) and I can tell you it's a LOT nicer to just trust your machine than to have to go in dicking with memory timings and FSB multipliers, etc. when you install new hardware. Also, the number one function of the BIOS GUI is to switch boot devices, which Apple has already solved on 'newworld' machines (all Macs since iMac'97) with OF, just hold the option key at boot and you get a nice GUI with all detected bootable partitions, icons showing their OS and partition name.
That's how I do it. Why bother paying bills every month? Bills generally cost very little compared to EVERYTHING ELSE, I can pay bills for three months if I don't eat out or go to bars for a month.
It feels really good to pay bills 'quarterly' rather than twelve times a year. You just have to be a bit on-the-ball about having the money when you need it.
'Fatty Foods' are the ANSWER to diabetes. The overwhelming cause is overconsumption of carbohydrates causing your body to become immune to insulin. I live with diabetics, of both varietys and they're all on low-carb diets now, it saves some of them $200/month, others only have to take their (much reduced) dose of insulin once a day, when prescribed for three.
Meanwhile we've got four pounds of bacon, steaks, some tilapia, and greens in the fridge. Everyone's losing weight quickly too, insulin is the chemical that turns carbs into fat in your body, so without all the injections everyone can burn off their fat.
Whatever, it's 2:55 AM where I am, and I just got home sloppy drunk. Happy B'day Linus! Ypu've done us ALL a great service and we're all glad to offer up a drink to you wherever you may be tonight. I know I'd hit the packie and buy Linus a few rounds if he ever showed up in my neck of the woods.
You sir, are ready for Gentoo Linux. RPMs are way lame (yes, that's a technical term) compared to Gentoo's 'portage' package management. Seriously give it a try.
Even on single-CPU systems using '-j3' or more will speed up compilation. It's even more pronounced on multi-CPU systems. The reason for this is that when the compiler needs a file to chew on it often has to wait for the disk to serve it up, if there's two jobs running one can step in and use 100% of the CPU while the other one is waiting for data.
Well, compilers generally stress the memory bus a LOT, and if you aren't multi-threading (make -j3) your compiles your CPU has to wait for your DISK to fetch files to compile.
The most important factors in compilation speed (assuming you're sticking with one compiler) are CPU, bus speed/latency, memory size (for caching), and disk latency. Dual CPUs won't do ANYTHING for you unless you multithread your compile jobs, otherwise 'make' only dispatches one job at a time, and each job can only occupy one CPU.
I've found that recompiling the compiler from source with hand-tweaking helps too. In Gentoo the GCC source builder strips a lot of the flags, I undo that and make sure to use 'safe but effective' flags for a faster GCC.
Also remember that -O2 is actually a lot easier to compile and often faster at runtime than -O3 because of modern CPU caching mechanisms. (-O3 unrolls loops, which isn't much advantage on CPUs with larger L2/L3 caches).
The problem is getting your *NIX machines to play nice with the SMB server's permissions. NFS permissions transfer smoothly (dangerously smoothly if you ask me!). I couldn't get my Linux boxen to play nice client with my SAMBA servers though, they just didn't respect the permissions like they should have.
Maybe I did something wrong, but now that I've got te *NIX boxes using NFS and the Win32 boxes getting the same data via SMB, all is well.
Anyone else have this problem? Anyone out there mounting home folders from SAMBA servers on Linux clients? Any tips on how to get the linux SMB client to behave? Should I just wait for the totally revamped SMB client in 2.6?
I actually just replaced my original RADEON (with a big chip and a fan) with the SAME card but with fewer chips and no fan. My graphics performance is the same as before, but my system uses a bit less juice, and there's one less fan to make noise or break. I'm happy, and after ebay-ing the old card it only cost me $20.
But then again, I'm the guy who underclocks his Athlon-XP 2500+ (1.8Ghz) to 1.4GHz so it draws less juice and runs cool.
It's fun to get last year's high-end chips built on this years processes, they're more reliable, cheap, draw less heat, and generally are easier to support (mature drivers anyone?).
the backup in Boston was due more to poor onramp, offramp, and merge planning. The big dig seriously revamped all that. I've been driving the northbound part for a while now and traffic is MUCH better than it was before, and this will always be MUCH better than the raised highway. Continuing to use the raised highway as well would only reintroduce all the offramps and onramps tha caused the nasty traffic in the first place, plus it's not like we can just play God here, there's very expensive sidescrapers practically TOUCHING the raised highway, and reworking it to fit into some new system would be more expensive than just scuttling it and dealing with the subterranean system.
FYI, from my experience Mass drivers will ignore the red lane signals and try to speed ahead on a closed lane in hope of getting a few cars ahead, they'll then stop all those abiding the rules to squeeze in, causing massive backup.
I suggest ceiling-mounted machine guns for these cases, wire them into your system and advertise them heavily. I guarantee that the economic benefit of everyone getting to work on-time will far outweigh the costs of sweeping up the remains of the jerks who are constanly looking to get ahead at the expense of others.
Well, you should go down to Connecticut and look around, that's what Mass would be like if Boston didn't 'count' for you out there in the 'burbs. Your towns would be dying farmland and cranberry bogs.
People working in Boston probably make up a HUGE part of the tax-base in your town; The big dig will save them TIME and MONEY, and it will boost overall efficiencey of the city by quite a bit, which will ultimately be passed down to you.
Have you driven through it yet? The construction is of the HIGHEST quality, this thing's built to last. Eventually you'd have to replace the nasty raised-highway anyway as it was severly overloaded and exposed to the elements.
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I'll take that another step. For those of us with 1+GHz machines, what do you actually have to WAIT for? Very few people I know have to WAIT for their computers at all except for opening apps and browsing the web, which isn't even contingent on bus speed, it's I/O-bound. The BEST way to improve 'speed' on the desktop is to move to a lower-latency disk subsystem, one that can handle multiple concurrent I/O requests. If you've never tried slapping a nice SCSI drive into an older desktop you don't know what I mean, it's a WORLD of difference.
As for some of us, we really do notice bus speed/clock speed/cache size improvements, I do a lot of compiling on my Athlon-XP '2500+' and that's an all-around performance hog.
Ahh, the difference is between 'Usable Space' and 'Address Space'.
I might only have 52MB RAM in my system, but I can 'Address' 4GB. So can you!
The 'big idea' behind the 64-bit address space is that it's huge enough to map everything (RAM, Disk, some LAN-storage, Video RAM, etc.) 'the same' so you won't need to treat disk space different than RAM. This has far-reaching consequences. Think of the PalmPilot (older ones), it had anywhere between 512K and 16MB RAM, and NO hard disk, it just treated running apps like stored files, not running them through the CPU when they weren't needed. It's a great idea, but it's very far away from what I can tell; the people aren't ready for it, developers, schools, nobody's learning this new paradigm yet.
You won't NEED as much RAM as disk space, you'll HAVE the ability to map the entire disk as a piece of 'memory' and get to it the same way you would get to an address in RAM, just slower. Overall it seems much more sensible, to have all the 'storage' on the same playing field.
In the meantime, we'll finally be able to slap over 4GB into our machines, and certain things will be faster. And we'll have to deal with motherboard changes a few times before the field 'settles down' on reasonable designs.
And it's customers like you that lower the bar for corporate responsibility. Sure, no company is OBLIGATED to do it's customers well, but what I'm asking for is mostly in the name of housekeeping and general goodness. I try very hard to avoid companies that don't act in 'good faith' with their customers, it's a whole big market out there and I'd rather have a kinder, gentler vendor relationship than one where I get bent over and reamed.
Sure, sometimes it's unavoidable, like MS, there's no way my employer can ween some of the departments off their WinDell boxen, but Apple treats us more like 'family' than Dell, and it's very important to me that I have that sort of relationship with my vendors.
Exactly, I understand that corporate users are very picky about patches and compatability, but when you download IE6 from microsoft.com it should give you an up-to-the-latest-patch revision, if admins want tthe 'original unpatched' product they can dig a little deeper for it.
It's tough enough to get people to keep their products updated, there should be no reason for multiple reboots to get to a fully-patched state.
Seriously, when MS discontinues a product it should roll up all the updates, fixes, and upgrades to core components into one massive patch and put it out. It would save me a lot of trouble if I could just install IE6sp1, WinMedia 9, DirectX9, and all the patches all at once rather then go through a dozen reboots. It would also rock the house if you could 'slipstream' the patch into the .CAB files BEFORE installation. It would just be a good policy.
I fail to see how it's obsolete when coverage on ALL the other options is so far behind. There's federal laws requiring that all homes have a POTS line running to them, there's no such regulation for internet/IP lines. Maybe things are different on the west coast, but here in New England you can't even use cell phones at half the venues because reception is so terrible, let alone ubiquitous IP access. I can wardrive for MILES through the working-class areas and stores and not pick up a single signal. All the physical cable is also too old and dingy to properly handle DSL or other high-speed technology, the only thing that works well is cable internet.
Or we could just cut farm subsidies, buy food from Africa and let them fix themselves with the money, which is more of a thought-out 'unified' fix for the problem. Africa's only a disaster because their only feasible export is strangled out of competition by US and Euro subsidies. If we didn't let the farmers and herders squeeze our officials by the balls Africa would be the breadbasket of the world!
There would also be other wide-reaching ramifications, getting produce from there to here quickly would lead to new transport technologies (bigger/faster/cheaper planes and boats) and African governments would have enough money to secure power from constant rebellions (which cause so much damage today because governments are too poor to maintain decent security). Safer Africa means tourism increases, and you have the beginnings of full-force modernization.
Here in the west, we tend to make things worse by 'fixing' both ends of a problem. We tend to not look at things from an objective and rational standpoint and instead let our (religious) morals and short-term benefits outweigh what would inarguably be the 'best' decisions.
As for all the places you suggest we get money from 'instead', THERE IS NO MONEY, we're running a huge defecit. The war in Iraq, Halliburton, all of that is money we don't have, it's being borrowed. We need to seek the 'unified' solutions I was talking about before because they INCREASE available money rather than divert or spend it.
Thanks, We're aware that we can run DSS on a variety of systems, but we've already got an XServe with OSX server on it, we're going to have to upgrade it to 10.3 anyway for some of the better Active Directory integration features. The 'administration goodies' are vital, as I intend to give the Jazz teacher control over the QTSS aspect of the project after I get it working. As for QTExpress, it will do that stuff, but we need the catalog output to a proprietary Access DB (or a format it can input easily) that the library card catalog runs on.
Thank you for the input, BTW. All too often Slashdot is a bitchfest or senseless one-way ranting.
I've seen this too, but I use several browsers (IE, Moz, FBird, and Safari) and it happens with ALL of them. I think it has more to do with Slashdot being served dynamically from many servers all at once, and if one lags too long you get a page with all the decorations and icons, but no content, usually hitting 'refresh' will fix things. I started noticing it about a month and a half ago.
I'm setting something like this up at the school where I work. We've got a 2500+ CD 'Jazz Library' and instead of loaning CDs out to students we're digitizing all the content. We intend to make records in the library's card catalog which is accessible to all students via a web browser, the virtual cards will have 'rtsp:' URLs pointing to the streaming server. We've checked with a few labels and a lawyer and they all say it's alright as long as the students can't actually make straight copies of the data, which they can't with the QuickTime Streaming Server.
The big problem is getting all the departments to do their job, we need the Jazz department to front up all the labor and data for digitizing in a format that works with our streaming server and make records that the Library department's server can use. We also need the library department to actually integrate the records and attach the URLs that IT gives them from the streaming server. Not to mention the issue of who pays for the streaming server upgrades (OS X 10.3 unlimited server and huge hard disk space upgrades). We don't have an official 'project manager' on the payroll, so there's nobody with the job of coordinating who has to do what and how everything must be done.
Right now we have a G4 running iTunes (5 concurrent user limit) streaming to the dorms, and it's buying us time with the Jazz department.
Before you go, just test to make sure the 'Speech' extension and control panels are in order. Wouldn't want to get stuck out there in the cold with your machine not listening to you.
I too plugged mine in by accident. I got two cheap-o 1000VA UPS units a year ago, plugged them in inside a cabinet and put some six-outlet adapters coming out of them. After I plugged my printer in and blew out the whole rig when trying to print I had to run a 'special' unprotected cable to my computer area.
Well if you think about it OF really makes needing that GUI unnescessary. On an OF machine the BIOS is a lot smarter, it can 'make decisions' better than an 8-bit PC BIOS can, decisions like memory timings, disk configurations, network booting, etc. I've got both kinds of machines right here (OF Macs and PC-BIOS PCs) and I can tell you it's a LOT nicer to just trust your machine than to have to go in dicking with memory timings and FSB multipliers, etc. when you install new hardware. Also, the number one function of the BIOS GUI is to switch boot devices, which Apple has already solved on 'newworld' machines (all Macs since iMac'97) with OF, just hold the option key at boot and you get a nice GUI with all detected bootable partitions, icons showing their OS and partition name.
Those things have NO regard for electric use, BTW. And cats will LOVE nesting in them while you're at work because they're always warm.
And NEVER plug a laser printer into any setup with a UPS invloved, they draw way too much juice while printing and can easily overload the UPS.
That's how I do it. Why bother paying bills every month? Bills generally cost very little compared to EVERYTHING ELSE, I can pay bills for three months if I don't eat out or go to bars for a month.
It feels really good to pay bills 'quarterly' rather than twelve times a year. You just have to be a bit on-the-ball about having the money when you need it.
'Fatty Foods' are the ANSWER to diabetes. The overwhelming cause is overconsumption of carbohydrates causing your body to become immune to insulin. I live with diabetics, of both varietys and they're all on low-carb diets now, it saves some of them $200/month, others only have to take their (much reduced) dose of insulin once a day, when prescribed for three.
Meanwhile we've got four pounds of bacon, steaks, some tilapia, and greens in the fridge. Everyone's losing weight quickly too, insulin is the chemical that turns carbs into fat in your body, so without all the injections everyone can burn off their fat.
Whatever, it's 2:55 AM where I am, and I just got home sloppy drunk. Happy B'day Linus! Ypu've done us ALL a great service and we're all glad to offer up a drink to you wherever you may be tonight. I know I'd hit the packie and buy Linus a few rounds if he ever showed up in my neck of the woods.
You sir, are ready for Gentoo Linux. RPMs are way lame (yes, that's a technical term) compared to Gentoo's 'portage' package management. Seriously give it a try.
Even on single-CPU systems using '-j3' or more will speed up compilation. It's even more pronounced on multi-CPU systems. The reason for this is that when the compiler needs a file to chew on it often has to wait for the disk to serve it up, if there's two jobs running one can step in and use 100% of the CPU while the other one is waiting for data.
Well, compilers generally stress the memory bus a LOT, and if you aren't multi-threading (make -j3) your compiles your CPU has to wait for your DISK to fetch files to compile.
The most important factors in compilation speed (assuming you're sticking with one compiler) are CPU, bus speed/latency, memory size (for caching), and disk latency. Dual CPUs won't do ANYTHING for you unless you multithread your compile jobs, otherwise 'make' only dispatches one job at a time, and each job can only occupy one CPU.
I've found that recompiling the compiler from source with hand-tweaking helps too. In Gentoo the GCC source builder strips a lot of the flags, I undo that and make sure to use 'safe but effective' flags for a faster GCC.
Also remember that -O2 is actually a lot easier to compile and often faster at runtime than -O3 because of modern CPU caching mechanisms. (-O3 unrolls loops, which isn't much advantage on CPUs with larger L2/L3 caches).
The problem is getting your *NIX machines to play nice with the SMB server's permissions. NFS permissions transfer smoothly (dangerously smoothly if you ask me!). I couldn't get my Linux boxen to play nice client with my SAMBA servers though, they just didn't respect the permissions like they should have.
Maybe I did something wrong, but now that I've got te *NIX boxes using NFS and the Win32 boxes getting the same data via SMB, all is well.
Anyone else have this problem? Anyone out there mounting home folders from SAMBA servers on Linux clients? Any tips on how to get the linux SMB client to behave? Should I just wait for the totally revamped SMB client in 2.6?
I actually just replaced my original RADEON (with a big chip and a fan) with the SAME card but with fewer chips and no fan. My graphics performance is the same as before, but my system uses a bit less juice, and there's one less fan to make noise or break. I'm happy, and after ebay-ing the old card it only cost me $20.
But then again, I'm the guy who underclocks his Athlon-XP 2500+ (1.8Ghz) to 1.4GHz so it draws less juice and runs cool.
It's fun to get last year's high-end chips built on this years processes, they're more reliable, cheap, draw less heat, and generally are easier to support (mature drivers anyone?).
the backup in Boston was due more to poor onramp, offramp, and merge planning. The big dig seriously revamped all that. I've been driving the northbound part for a while now and traffic is MUCH better than it was before, and this will always be MUCH better than the raised highway. Continuing to use the raised highway as well would only reintroduce all the offramps and onramps tha caused the nasty traffic in the first place, plus it's not like we can just play God here, there's very expensive sidescrapers practically TOUCHING the raised highway, and reworking it to fit into some new system would be more expensive than just scuttling it and dealing with the subterranean system.
FYI, from my experience Mass drivers will ignore the red lane signals and try to speed ahead on a closed lane in hope of getting a few cars ahead, they'll then stop all those abiding the rules to squeeze in, causing massive backup.
I suggest ceiling-mounted machine guns for these cases, wire them into your system and advertise them heavily. I guarantee that the economic benefit of everyone getting to work on-time will far outweigh the costs of sweeping up the remains of the jerks who are constanly looking to get ahead at the expense of others.
Well, you should go down to Connecticut and look around, that's what Mass would be like if Boston didn't 'count' for you out there in the 'burbs. Your towns would be dying farmland and cranberry bogs.
People working in Boston probably make up a HUGE part of the tax-base in your town; The big dig will save them TIME and MONEY, and it will boost overall efficiencey of the city by quite a bit, which will ultimately be passed down to you.
Have you driven through it yet? The construction is of the HIGHEST quality, this thing's built to last. Eventually you'd have to replace the nasty raised-highway anyway as it was severly overloaded and exposed to the elements.