The G5/970 is a LONG way from being a portable-friendly CPU. I think the current chips dissipate about 40-something watts, more than the power adapters in most laptops can supply. It might be good in the server closet and the desktop, but even a 75% power reduction will be too little to compete with the 'mojave'.
The 'Gobi' is just a slightly-reworked 750 (a 750GX, to be exact), it will be in winter's 1.1GHz iBooks, it has a 1MB on-die L2 cache, and it has no altivec-like logic whatsoever, it exists NOW and it dissipates about 9 watts at full-speed.
The 'Mojave' is the rumored G3+altivec that nobody has seen yet. I expect it to be a 750 chip that supports the most 'important' SIMD/Altivec instructions of the G5. It will probably be Apple's portable CPU. I also expect Apple to just call it a G4, or a G5m for sanity purposes.
I think it's a good reason, amongst many others, to have a centralized system (X terminals?) where there's not even an incentive for someone to 'walk away' with a machine. What good is a screen with a 200MHz Pentium 1 strapped on the back?
I was a similar whistleblower, and the bank and my company fought over who should pay to have the 'unclean' machines wiped out, as it was unclear who's people failed to do it properly. I ended up getting chastised for losing my company a week's worth of contract money. At least they understood that the job had to get done regardless and let me wipe all the machines anyway.
I had to explain over and over to the client that FDISK is not a data-destruction tool, it's like tossing a sign that says 'filing cabinet' off a filing cabinet and saying it's not accessible anymore.
Well, seeing how subcontractors bill, physically removing and destroying the disk would require a 'break-fix' technician and they typically cost oodles more than 'lackey with a wipe-disk' technicians. The supply/purchasing arms of a bank are typically not well-endowed and are often staffed by 'newbies' to the bank, because it's easy work, they're not going to pay several times more than they already do for secure data destruction.
I know, I suggested it to the client where I was the 'wipe-disk lackey' and had to inform them that they had been donating machines full of data for years.
You won't see the G5 in a laptop for quite a while, maybe never. IBM is working on building a G3 with parts of the G5 SIMD logic (or compatible logic). What you'll see is that the G4 as we know it, the 7XXX series, will die. The 750+SIMD and the 970 will be Apple's chips.
Remember that the G5 comes from the Power4, which was NEVER designed to be a low-power/low-heat CPU, it will NEVER be as suitable for laptop use as the 750-series will. Even with a major die-shrink and voltage drop, the G5 will STILL put out much more heat than the G4 did, and even that was too much.
Don't worry though, I'm sure IBM will be using a lot of what they developed for the G5 in the 'mojave' G3s. They might even be marketed as G4s or G5-mobiles because they will have roughly the same features.
And I get paid under $20K/year to wipe the drives for a major U.S. bank. The guy before me let hundreds of machines full of customer and bank info out to various schools, when I found out I had to travel all over the state wiping out computers, but who knows what made it out before I got to them.
When it boils down to it, these are ancient machines (mostly P166s and wiping a drive takes HOURS on them, and it ain't pretty work, it's dirty warehouse work and lots of heavy lifting. Nobody want's to pay professsionals $75/hr to wipe machines that stopped returning-on-investment years ago.
ALright, Here in the States earning $12/hour and living without any 'external' support and one roommate I'll NEVER be able to own a car (I got the one I have for free, and can't/don't pay insurance on it), I'll NEVER be able to buy a house, and my employer wants me to pay $85/week for health coverage, which I can't/don't pay for.
So here I am in the 'land of opportunity' working 50 - 65 hours a week, not getting overtime, no health coverage (I don't even get to 'stand in line'), for a lousy take-home of $19,000/year. This is how MOST americans live, but you'd never see them when you come here, because we're in all the 'ghettos' that everyone think are full of jobless bums.
I've observed a similar principle involving large loud computer cases. Somehow a full tower ALWAYS beats anything designed for micro-atx. The only exception is if the smaller case is BLACK, because that doubles the speed of the PC.
The best is how insurance works. I've driven over 100,000 miles (mostly for work) in the last three years (since I got my license). Never had a SINGLE accident that was my doing, though twice I had asshole tailgaiters smash my rear-end. I've never had a ticket for anything other than parking. My insurance is over $170/month in an old Ford Escort (compact car, for you non-us folk). I know several women who got their license the same time I did and they're working on their third cars (because they drunkenly totaled the others), and I pay MORE than them!
I hope you're around in twenty years when America is a wasteland of have-nots, people working 80-hour weeks with no healthcare, no overtime, and no way to pay the bills.
Think I'm exaggerating? The average pay in my state is $13/hour, that's NOT enough to purchase a vehicle and live on your own simultaneously (it's actually just BARELY enough to eat, have a roof and heat). Watch as America lets the CEOs rape the middle class out of existence, we'll be no better then Europe was 500 years ago.
I'd gladly move to a country with a 60% income tax if I could get housing assistance, healthcare, free education, and food when there's no money.
Most of the countries with 'socialists' raiding the petrol for taxes have EXTENSIVE mass-transit, which serves the public much better than our wasteful freeways, just ask anyone who lived there.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but our measurements here on Slashdot are Volkswagen Beetle-based, not 'servers' or 'sites'.
Straight-up, please explain how many VWs were hacked, and I don't want vague terms like 'a beowulf cluster of 'em', just straight up RIAA-approved numbers (new beetles count as 10 'classic' ones).
Don't forget that *NIX runs on different hardware breeds too, so any binary-based exploits would be thwarted by different machine code on different CPU archs. I don't think a non-script exploit for an x86 would work on a PPC (and vice versa) easily.
I'm just saying that in SOME office environments it's a bit much to have your extended family covering the walls. I don't mind when I walk into the call center or mortgage services, but someone brokering million-dollar trades wouldn't 'represent' properly with a desk like that.
Good reason too, because as a technician who sits in at least 10 people's cubes every day I can tell you it's unprofessional, wasteful, inefficient, and distracting to have an unkempt desk/work area.
Some people have taste, and nobody bothers them when they install a blue gel on their lamp and put up a blow-up shark and octopus on the wall, but Aunt Mae with tattered pictures of all 30 of her grandkids on the wall shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
Think of this: Government chooses Apple, gets 'integrated' solution and support for hardware and software. No more 'ping pong' between hardware and software vendors.
Also, Apple is the 'little guy' in that situation, they would be able to focus on their biggest client's needs, while MS has to be everything to everyone. If Uncle Sam says 'Jump' Apple would ask 'how high?' while Microsoft says 'maybe later!'
Using the 'underdog' is often the best way to get top-notch service, I work for a small company contracting on Citizens Bank, we all absoultely bust ass to make 'big brother' happy, while our larger competition has much bigger things to worry about. Sure, Citizens pays a bit more for us, but the VALUE is much better.
Last time I checked you'd have to have over 500 billion to 'buy out' Microsoft. Though I imagine that the interest off a trust of $90B (about $1B/year) could do a whole lot of good for the OSS community.
I was thinking that there ought to be an OSS 'general' fund with a small board who would award prizes on the interest from the account each year. The fund would only grow over time as the spending would be limited by the interest it bore. Right now even [the chance of] several hundred dollars would be incentive for many otherwise distracted developers to contribute.
Millions of beetle-sized rocks hurtling through space in our direction to the tune of the 'Pods Unite' commercial (Light & Day by the Polyphonic Spree).
Who knows, maybe 'they' have. All I know is that the discovery of a much more efficient energy source would be an incredible boon for all of humanity, and it would net the executives in charge of the company more money in licensing than selling oil ever would. With cold-fusion the air would be noticeably cleaner in the span of a few years, and all the jobs lost in the oil and generating industries would be folded into the rest of the now much-more-prosperous rest of the economy.
Almost every small business involved with food would be able to hire several more people if their energy costs were lower.
Alright, but what GCC flags output for the Pentium-M? Is the *-M a PIII or a P4 at heart (or something different altogether)?
I know it Looks like a PIII and the specs all point to a modified PIII, but intel says it's 'fresh' in origin, and it seems to be quite different from the P4 offerings (in terms of caching and performance).
I'm just wondering if I should compile with -march=pentium3 or -march=pentium4 for this beast.
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We'll get right on it once we figure out how to hit my car with this hammer hard enough to get it to the west coast. Do you think they packed enough fuel in this thing to accelerate it back to earth and then slow it down to relative speeds for it to catch orbit? I think not. These things are engineered for one-way missions.
And what ELSE would you have done with it? Seriously, almost every device that goes into space has a radioactive component in it somewhere, and many come back to earth, people need to get their heads around the idea that there's radioactive stuff in all our soil, and it's mostly naturally occuring.
Coal power puts tons of naurally occuring uranium into the air we all breathe every day. Now I'm not saying we should stop caring, but we have to understand that radioactive isotopes are all over the place and a little extra 'sprinkling' isn't really that dangerous, especially on a planet half way across the solar system.
Get a beefy Apple machine that meets your needs (new dualie G5?). Get it with more than one hard drive. put LINUX (I prefer Gentoo to get the optimizations I like) on it, install MOL (Mac On Linux) and make up raw disk images for any Mac OS systems you want to try out. MOL works really well, and it can handle multiple concurrent instances, IIRC. And while you won't have graphics _acceleration_ the overall speed is comparable to classic (about 95% of normal speed) because it's NOT an emulator, it's basically VMWare for the PowerPC.
I use MOL to play A-10 Attack on OS9 when I get overbored.
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The G5/970 is a LONG way from being a portable-friendly CPU. I think the current chips dissipate about 40-something watts, more than the power adapters in most laptops can supply. It might be good in the server closet and the desktop, but even a 75% power reduction will be too little to compete with the 'mojave'.
The 'Gobi' is just a slightly-reworked 750 (a 750GX, to be exact), it will be in winter's 1.1GHz iBooks, it has a 1MB on-die L2 cache, and it has no altivec-like logic whatsoever, it exists NOW and it dissipates about 9 watts at full-speed.
The 'Mojave' is the rumored G3+altivec that nobody has seen yet. I expect it to be a 750 chip that supports the most 'important' SIMD/Altivec instructions of the G5. It will probably be Apple's portable CPU. I also expect Apple to just call it a G4, or a G5m for sanity purposes.
I think it's a good reason, amongst many others, to have a centralized system (X terminals?) where there's not even an incentive for someone to 'walk away' with a machine. What good is a screen with a 200MHz Pentium 1 strapped on the back?
I was a similar whistleblower, and the bank and my company fought over who should pay to have the 'unclean' machines wiped out, as it was unclear who's people failed to do it properly. I ended up getting chastised for losing my company a week's worth of contract money. At least they understood that the job had to get done regardless and let me wipe all the machines anyway.
I had to explain over and over to the client that FDISK is not a data-destruction tool, it's like tossing a sign that says 'filing cabinet' off a filing cabinet and saying it's not accessible anymore.
Procedure for all files on servers at bank I work at (for remote offices, like 'governament banking':
copy them to local drive, edit, copy back.
this reduces load on the frame-relays at the remote office.
Well, seeing how subcontractors bill, physically removing and destroying the disk would require a 'break-fix' technician and they typically cost oodles more than 'lackey with a wipe-disk' technicians. The supply/purchasing arms of a bank are typically not well-endowed and are often staffed by 'newbies' to the bank, because it's easy work, they're not going to pay several times more than they already do for secure data destruction.
I know, I suggested it to the client where I was the 'wipe-disk lackey' and had to inform them that they had been donating machines full of data for years.
You won't see the G5 in a laptop for quite a while, maybe never. IBM is working on building a G3 with parts of the G5 SIMD logic (or compatible logic). What you'll see is that the G4 as we know it, the 7XXX series, will die. The 750+SIMD and the 970 will be Apple's chips.
Remember that the G5 comes from the Power4, which was NEVER designed to be a low-power/low-heat CPU, it will NEVER be as suitable for laptop use as the 750-series will. Even with a major die-shrink and voltage drop, the G5 will STILL put out much more heat than the G4 did, and even that was too much.
Don't worry though, I'm sure IBM will be using a lot of what they developed for the G5 in the 'mojave' G3s. They might even be marketed as G4s or G5-mobiles because they will have roughly the same features.
And I get paid under $20K/year to wipe the drives for a major U.S. bank. The guy before me let hundreds of machines full of customer and bank info out to various schools, when I found out I had to travel all over the state wiping out computers, but who knows what made it out before I got to them.
When it boils down to it, these are ancient machines (mostly P166s and wiping a drive takes HOURS on them, and it ain't pretty work, it's dirty warehouse work and lots of heavy lifting. Nobody want's to pay professsionals $75/hr to wipe machines that stopped returning-on-investment years ago.
ALright, Here in the States earning $12/hour and living without any 'external' support and one roommate I'll NEVER be able to own a car (I got the one I have for free, and can't/don't pay insurance on it), I'll NEVER be able to buy a house, and my employer wants me to pay $85/week for health coverage, which I can't/don't pay for.
So here I am in the 'land of opportunity' working 50 - 65 hours a week, not getting overtime, no health coverage (I don't even get to 'stand in line'), for a lousy take-home of $19,000/year. This is how MOST americans live, but you'd never see them when you come here, because we're in all the 'ghettos' that everyone think are full of jobless bums.
I've observed a similar principle involving large loud computer cases. Somehow a full tower ALWAYS beats anything designed for micro-atx. The only exception is if the smaller case is BLACK, because that doubles the speed of the PC.
The best is how insurance works. I've driven over 100,000 miles (mostly for work) in the last three years (since I got my license). Never had a SINGLE accident that was my doing, though twice I had asshole tailgaiters smash my rear-end. I've never had a ticket for anything other than parking. My insurance is over $170/month in an old Ford Escort (compact car, for you non-us folk). I know several women who got their license the same time I did and they're working on their third cars (because they drunkenly totaled the others), and I pay MORE than them!
I hope you're around in twenty years when America is a wasteland of have-nots, people working 80-hour weeks with no healthcare, no overtime, and no way to pay the bills.
Think I'm exaggerating? The average pay in my state is $13/hour, that's NOT enough to purchase a vehicle and live on your own simultaneously (it's actually just BARELY enough to eat, have a roof and heat). Watch as America lets the CEOs rape the middle class out of existence, we'll be no better then Europe was 500 years ago.
I'd gladly move to a country with a 60% income tax if I could get housing assistance, healthcare, free education, and food when there's no money.
Most of the countries with 'socialists' raiding the petrol for taxes have EXTENSIVE mass-transit, which serves the public much better than our wasteful freeways, just ask anyone who lived there.
End rant.
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but our measurements here on Slashdot are Volkswagen Beetle-based, not 'servers' or 'sites'.
Straight-up, please explain how many VWs were hacked, and I don't want vague terms like 'a beowulf cluster of 'em', just straight up RIAA-approved numbers (new beetles count as 10 'classic' ones).
Don't forget that *NIX runs on different hardware breeds too, so any binary-based exploits would be thwarted by different machine code on different CPU archs. I don't think a non-script exploit for an x86 would work on a PPC (and vice versa) easily.
I'm just saying that in SOME office environments it's a bit much to have your extended family covering the walls. I don't mind when I walk into the call center or mortgage services, but someone brokering million-dollar trades wouldn't 'represent' properly with a desk like that.
Good reason too, because as a technician who sits in at least 10 people's cubes every day I can tell you it's unprofessional, wasteful, inefficient, and distracting to have an unkempt desk/work area.
Some people have taste, and nobody bothers them when they install a blue gel on their lamp and put up a blow-up shark and octopus on the wall, but Aunt Mae with tattered pictures of all 30 of her grandkids on the wall shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
Think of this:
Government chooses Apple, gets 'integrated' solution and support for hardware and software. No more 'ping pong' between hardware and software vendors.
Also, Apple is the 'little guy' in that situation, they would be able to focus on their biggest client's needs, while MS has to be everything to everyone. If Uncle Sam says 'Jump' Apple would ask 'how high?' while Microsoft says 'maybe later!'
Using the 'underdog' is often the best way to get top-notch service, I work for a small company contracting on Citizens Bank, we all absoultely bust ass to make 'big brother' happy, while our larger competition has much bigger things to worry about. Sure, Citizens pays a bit more for us, but the VALUE is much better.
More likely the directories with those files will be hidden but easily available, what a great idea!
Last time I checked you'd have to have over 500 billion to 'buy out' Microsoft. Though I imagine that the interest off a trust of $90B (about $1B/year) could do a whole lot of good for the OSS community.
I was thinking that there ought to be an OSS 'general' fund with a small board who would award prizes on the interest from the account each year. The fund would only grow over time as the spending would be limited by the interest it bore. Right now even [the chance of] several hundred dollars would be incentive for many otherwise distracted developers to contribute.
And he requested another 87 billion on TV last night!
A BeetleWulf cluster made out of these!
Millions of beetle-sized rocks hurtling through space in our direction to the tune of the 'Pods Unite' commercial (Light & Day by the Polyphonic Spree).
Who knows, maybe 'they' have. All I know is that the discovery of a much more efficient energy source would be an incredible boon for all of humanity, and it would net the executives in charge of the company more money in licensing than selling oil ever would. With cold-fusion the air would be noticeably cleaner in the span of a few years, and all the jobs lost in the oil and generating industries would be folded into the rest of the now much-more-prosperous rest of the economy.
Almost every small business involved with food would be able to hire several more people if their energy costs were lower.
Alright, but what GCC flags output for the Pentium-M? Is the *-M a PIII or a P4 at heart (or something different altogether)?
I know it Looks like a PIII and the specs all point to a modified PIII, but intel says it's 'fresh' in origin, and it seems to be quite different from the P4 offerings (in terms of caching and performance).
I'm just wondering if I should compile with -march=pentium3 or -march=pentium4 for this beast.
We'll get right on it once we figure out how to hit my car with this hammer hard enough to get it to the west coast. Do you think they packed enough fuel in this thing to accelerate it back to earth and then slow it down to relative speeds for it to catch orbit? I think not. These things are engineered for one-way missions.
And what ELSE would you have done with it? Seriously, almost every device that goes into space has a radioactive component in it somewhere, and many come back to earth, people need to get their heads around the idea that there's radioactive stuff in all our soil, and it's mostly naturally occuring.
Coal power puts tons of naurally occuring uranium into the air we all breathe every day. Now I'm not saying we should stop caring, but we have to understand that radioactive isotopes are all over the place and a little extra 'sprinkling' isn't really that dangerous, especially on a planet half way across the solar system.
Here's a solution:
Get a beefy Apple machine that meets your needs (new dualie G5?). Get it with more than one hard drive. put LINUX (I prefer Gentoo to get the optimizations I like) on it, install MOL (Mac On Linux) and make up raw disk images for any Mac OS systems you want to try out. MOL works really well, and it can handle multiple concurrent instances, IIRC. And while you won't have graphics _acceleration_ the overall speed is comparable to classic (about 95% of normal speed) because it's NOT an emulator, it's basically VMWare for the PowerPC.
I use MOL to play A-10 Attack on OS9 when I get overbored.