It's the backend for the graphical software manager. Automatically downloads dependancies etc. similar to apt-get(I said similar, not like apt-get). I like typing partial package names and it will give you a list of all matches, versions, etc. Works fine out of the box but you really need to add mirrors for updates and cooker if you want to really work well.
Urpmi has had some teething problems in the past but works well now on my systems. Anyone working with it on the 8.0 PPC release will know what I'm talking about. The issues basically convinced me to run the development version (cooker) on this iMac until the bugs were worked out. Worked much better when I got the latest wget. Curl didn't really help the issues for me. The last couple releases have worked flawlessly for me. That has me looking for problems that may or may not be there. YMMV
I'm not knocking apt-get. I've used it and thinks it works great. I also like the package management in FreeBSD too. I think more Distos/OSes can look at what's been done and follow these examples.
While you are offtopic here, I will still give an answer.
Google is great and I use it all the time. Sometimes it is better to have a discussion about people's experiences. Sure he/she could have used Google but would some of the solutions discussed have been found? It's always good to get some good tips in one place which is something that Google doesn't do.
The results would show a bunch of straight-forward CD-booting distros but wouldn't have come up with any of the more creative solutions. Google has a HUGE number of websites indexed but it is by no means complete.
If you have followed SGI much then you would notice that the Itanium systems were recently moved to the legacy pages and the only systems currently available are MIPS. No more Intel Linux Origins any more now.
I have an HP Netserver Pentium Pro that didn't have a fan but just a big duct to the fan at the back. Pentium Pros ran a little warm so I slapped a heatsink and fan on there too. It has ran for years just fine. I recently moved it to my firewall because I wanted something more reliable there.
They have all improved but you are right about skins making a huge difference with FreeAmp.
I was having some problems on my system that were crashing Xmms consistently and started using FreeAmp while I was figuring out the problem. The FreeAmp way of doing things reminds me of iTunes in a lot of ways. I'm appreciating that way of doing things more all the time.
I still prefer Xmms but we will have to see what the future holds. I think Xmms has come a long way from the winamp clone it used to be and FreeAmp has improved much too.
I used to use X11amp all the time and then wondered what happened to it. I was relived to find that it had become Xmms.
Look for PalmAmp if you just want to control mp3 from your palm/visor/etc. There is a winamp and xmms plugin so it can run your music. You can control most things from it and it works great. I used my old Palm Pro for controlling my music while full screen plugins were running.
I sure hope it is better than the winamp for mac. That one was not very good last time I messed with it. I ended going back to iTunes when I was running a Apple OS. Xmms is just fine on Linux PPC/x86/etc.
Freeamp used to annoy me but it has grown on me as it has developed. Maybe the linux winamp can do the same but it will still probably take a back seat to xmms in my book. YMMV.
Nice but the IPs of the internal machines are already on the access list plus a few others that have been sanctioned. The netadmin is pretty good here.
We are getting some wireless iPAQs for the fall. I'm hoping to get one designated to "testing and research" so I can do a little more exploring. I had a lot fun with demo units while we were evaluating them. We were all the way down to the iPAQ and Jornada. When the merger stated the Jornada was going away we decided to go with the iPAQ. I really liked to built-in CF slot on the Jornada. I'm thinking about getting one personally.
Any port. I was using different ports when I discovered it. I later got them to open the IP I was using since I was testing some site access outside the firewall. I was using it to see the remote sites had issues or if it was internal issues. I just have a higher threshold now. If I did a bunch of scp or whatever then it probably would block again. As long as I limit the traffic to ssh then everything is cool.
There are more sofisticated firewalls out there besides ipchains. You won't get very far changing ports one one these firewalls if the admin is any good at all.
Excessive encrypted traffic at work here automatically gets the destination IP blocked at the firewall. I found this one out with some ssh/scp traffic.
I work at a college and the lab machines are so clogged up with people chatting that students trying to do classwork have trouble finding a valid machine.
General labs aren't so bad but Media Arts is the worst. They have a lot of students and only so many licenses for Photoshop/3d programs/etc. and if someone is chatting then someone trying to get work done can't.
While I generally like most IM/chat, I have seen a lot of abuses in places I've worked.
I sometimes think that a lot of the best examples of how to solve these problems are in our own past, the 60's and 70's being something of a golden age for OS research, and we just need to go back and study some of those examples and figure out how to bring them up to date and complete that "last 10%" they never managed (because it would have taken 90% of the time, as the adage goes).
I'm glad he stuck it out and pushed through on that last 10% for us to enjoy. You don't see as much of that going on but it is nice to see that some people still push through the glamour to finish a project. He could have just said forget it and quit when things went bad with 386BSD.
Just look at Freshmeat/Sourceforge/parts unknown for all the projects that start but lose steam and stop. My hats off to all of you code monkeys out there keeping on and producing. I'll see if I can do anything to help because I know I couldn't complete my own project.
That will work great until the first plumber to rotoroot it turns your fiber lines to spaghetti. Of course when you say your internet when down the toilet, you will be mostly correct.
As often as it is mentioned on/., I'm surprised more people aren't clicking the link just to see what it is about. I still think that distrowatch really can't determine how popular a distro is outside of their scope. I'm not really saying Gentoo isn't popular or doing well. I'm just saying one website's rating doesn't prove much in the overall scheme.
So maybe mummy and duddy don't buy a new computer every six YEARS then.
I've given away 8 or 10 pentium 200+ in the last 2 or 3 years and know of several people who have done the same. Flea markets, garage sales, etc. have lots of use pentium machines for under $50. I really think the comlaint about i686 compiled distro/whatever is really getting stupid. If you really want to use your sub-pentium then compile for a week and go on with life, find an older distro and update the parts you need or just hunt down a slightly better machine. How reliable is that old 386/486 going to be anyway and how long will it last?
Here's the pentium ebay page. Happy hunt for all you out there in need of a cheap upgrade.
Several of the Linux distros and the BSD ones can boot off a floppy and pull it down ftp/http/nfs/etc. Just give them a little time and I'm sure someone will make one for Gentoo also.
I just did a FreeBSD samba box last week and a Mandrake netatalk box without a CD and all I needed was a couple floppies and a network connection. Hopefully someone will see the value of it for Gentoo and will put it together soon.
That page keeps coming up as the answer on how popular Gentoo is. That is just based on page hits on distrowatch's website. The current count is 180 and that really doesn't prove much to me. My infant son's website has more page views but that doesn't mean Gabriel is more popular than Gentoo.
Gentoo looks like it has promise. It needs to watch out for the pitfalls Mandrake fell into for a while. Mandrake was bleeding edge for the longest time and gathered a reputation for being a little less than stable. They finally started figuring ou the difference between bleeding edge and cutting edge around the 7.1-7.2 release.
Gentoo looks good to me from what I can tell so far but whether or not it is the #6 distro is going to need a little more checking on.
You hit the question on the head. Most people are suggesting inputs but no controls. This looks exactly like what I've been looking for. I bought a car for commuting that has CD-changer controls in it. I keep looking at it wondering how hard it would be to make an adapter to connect to a com port on an mp3 box. I have an old laptop with a broken screen that I was going to mess with. I need to get to it.
Now they want to start charging you every time you come even though it is only mid-season.
We could spin analogies all day but the point is people are using broadband for all the reasons the providers told them to. I remeber all the great advertising of how much I can do with it and how fast I could do it.
Sure, play games online but we will filter your ports if you try to host a game. Seems like I'm getting my money's worth here.
I'd recommend that you build a voice activated robot to grab the remote and bring it to you. You should also program it to manually change channels when the batteries die in the remote. The discussion will probably wander and every crazy idea under the sun will come up.
How about.... plug a tv tuner into your bewoulf cluster and use that instead watch tv from your computer and ssh/ssl into it but not telnet unless you are using kerberos and vlans on your switch behind an OpenBSD/Linux/toaster firewall. blah, blah, blah, etc...............
It will get even lower mentioning aliens, grits and all things petrified. Moderators will down these posts so fast it will seem like they are being sucked into a karma blackhole.
Of course you can just get up and get it yourself but that isn't geeky enough. Please try to be geekier for the sake of being geekier.
If you already have a machine running your mp3s then why not have it serve up some more things?
Your own domain and a mail server can help cut down spamming if you do it right. It's nice to have webspace and emails that don't change everytime you change ISPs. I was able to snag mylastname.com. I can use firstname@lastname.com to make it convenient to remember for friends and family. I don't need colo for what I do but it is nice to able to run the webserver, database, scripting language I like.
I also do some of this stuff at work but it is nice to have the freedom to try stuff out that might be a problem at work. If I take my wife down for a bit with a configuration issue, it isn't as bad as taking down the campus I work at.
It really is going to come back to the OS for overall speed of a system. OS X is on the slow side. It is a very nice OS but Apple hasn't got all the optimizations out of it yet. Bare metal comparisons will definitely show show that a G4 is faster than a P4. OS X has a better design and can get a lot of work done even if the overall system is slower. We are going to have to get the software developers to take advantage of the multimedia extensions, etc. before it becomes a factor in the speed too.
I think if OS X gets optimized like it could be then it will have great usability and smokingly fast too. I don't think we are there yet and potential is great but you must capitalize on it. And I do use OS X regualarly at home and work. It is not what I would call fast even on a Quicksilver with plenty of RAM. It still is a very nice system to work with.
The last Intel processor I bought was a new 233MMX and everything else has been Athlon or RISC (Powermac, MIPS R10k). I did buy into DDR, faster hard drives, etc. but Intel and Mhz has not excited me.
Photoshop benchmarks have shown you are right but..........
Most other respectable bechmarks have shown that the margin of Mhz on a P4 vs performance on a G4 is MUCH smaller than the highly quote 2 to 1 ratio rabid Apple fans spout.
If all you do is Photoshop then yes the G4 is great but real world applications aren't all up to those performance numbers. Photoshop benchmarks are only showing specific operations and ignoring the rest. Anyone who has done any kind of benchmarking knows that there are strengths and weaknesses in every test. Marketing takes off with the highest figures and puts the spin on them.
OS X uses the CPU heavily because it isn't into the hardware yet on all the rendering. 10.2 is supposed to get the hardware more optimized and we will have to see how much improvement we will really see. I personally can't wait to see it.
Of course there are huge differences in speed and productivity. OS X is definitely got the advantage there over most. Maybe it is slower but it is still very nice to work with. If 10.2 comes through then it won't be slower and we really will have something to talk about.
It's hard to ignore facts but it nice to see that some people have fallen for the facts.
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Have you tried urpmi on your Mandrake box?
It's the backend for the graphical software manager. Automatically downloads dependancies etc. similar to apt-get(I said similar, not like apt-get). I like typing partial package names and it will give you a list of all matches, versions, etc. Works fine out of the box but you really need to add mirrors for updates and cooker if you want to really work well.
Urpmi has had some teething problems in the past but works well now on my systems. Anyone working with it on the 8.0 PPC release will know what I'm talking about. The issues basically convinced me to run the development version (cooker) on this iMac until the bugs were worked out. Worked much better when I got the latest wget. Curl didn't really help the issues for me. The last couple releases have worked flawlessly for me. That has me looking for problems that may or may not be there. YMMV
I'm not knocking apt-get. I've used it and thinks it works great. I also like the package management in FreeBSD too. I think more Distos/OSes can look at what's been done and follow these examples.
While you are offtopic here, I will still give an answer.
Google is great and I use it all the time. Sometimes it is better to have a discussion about people's experiences. Sure he/she could have used Google but would some of the solutions discussed have been found? It's always good to get some good tips in one place which is something that Google doesn't do.
The results would show a bunch of straight-forward CD-booting distros but wouldn't have come up with any of the more creative solutions. Google has a HUGE number of websites indexed but it is by no means complete.
If you have followed SGI much then you would notice that the Itanium systems were recently moved to the legacy pages and the only systems currently available are MIPS. No more Intel Linux Origins any more now.
I have an HP Netserver Pentium Pro that didn't have a fan but just a big duct to the fan at the back. Pentium Pros ran a little warm so I slapped a heatsink and fan on there too. It has ran for years just fine. I recently moved it to my firewall because I wanted something more reliable there.
They have all improved but you are right about skins making a huge difference with FreeAmp.
I was having some problems on my system that were crashing Xmms consistently and started using FreeAmp while I was figuring out the problem. The FreeAmp way of doing things reminds me of iTunes in a lot of ways. I'm appreciating that way of doing things more all the time.
I still prefer Xmms but we will have to see what the future holds. I think Xmms has come a long way from the winamp clone it used to be and FreeAmp has improved much too.
I used to use X11amp all the time and then wondered what happened to it. I was relived to find that it had become Xmms.
Look for PalmAmp if you just want to control mp3 from your palm/visor/etc. There is a winamp and xmms plugin so it can run your music. You can control most things from it and it works great. I used my old Palm Pro for controlling my music while full screen plugins were running.
I sure hope it is better than the winamp for mac. That one was not very good last time I messed with it. I ended going back to iTunes when I was running a Apple OS. Xmms is just fine on Linux PPC/x86/etc.
Freeamp used to annoy me but it has grown on me as it has developed. Maybe the linux winamp can do the same but it will still probably take a back seat to xmms in my book. YMMV.
Nice but the IPs of the internal machines are already on the access list plus a few others that have been sanctioned. The netadmin is pretty good here.
We are getting some wireless iPAQs for the fall. I'm hoping to get one designated to "testing and research" so I can do a little more exploring. I had a lot fun with demo units while we were evaluating them. We were all the way down to the iPAQ and Jornada. When the merger stated the Jornada was going away we decided to go with the iPAQ. I really liked to built-in CF slot on the Jornada. I'm thinking about getting one personally.
Any port. I was using different ports when I discovered it. I later got them to open the IP I was using since I was testing some site access outside the firewall. I was using it to see the remote sites had issues or if it was internal issues. I just have a higher threshold now. If I did a bunch of scp or whatever then it probably would block again. As long as I limit the traffic to ssh then everything is cool.
There are more sofisticated firewalls out there besides ipchains. You won't get very far changing ports one one these firewalls if the admin is any good at all.
Excessive encrypted traffic at work here automatically gets the destination IP blocked at the firewall. I found this one out with some ssh/scp traffic.
I work at a college and the lab machines are so clogged up with people chatting that students trying to do classwork have trouble finding a valid machine.
General labs aren't so bad but Media Arts is the worst. They have a lot of students and only so many licenses for Photoshop/3d programs/etc. and if someone is chatting then someone trying to get work done can't.
While I generally like most IM/chat, I have seen a lot of abuses in places I've worked.
I sometimes think that a lot of the best examples of how to solve these problems are in our own past, the 60's and 70's being something of a golden age for OS research, and we just need to go back and study some of those examples and figure out how to bring them up to date and complete that "last 10%" they never managed (because it would have taken 90% of the time, as the adage goes).
I'm glad he stuck it out and pushed through on that last 10% for us to enjoy. You don't see as much of that going on but it is nice to see that some people still push through the glamour to finish a project. He could have just said forget it and quit when things went bad with 386BSD.
Just look at Freshmeat/Sourceforge/parts unknown for all the projects that start but lose steam and stop. My hats off to all of you code monkeys out there keeping on and producing. I'll see if I can do anything to help because I know I couldn't complete my own project.
That will work great until the first plumber to rotoroot it turns your fiber lines to spaghetti. Of course when you say your internet when down the toilet, you will be mostly correct.
That definitely is better. :)
/., I'm surprised more people aren't clicking the link just to see what it is about. I still think that distrowatch really can't determine how popular a distro is outside of their scope. I'm not really saying Gentoo isn't popular or doing well. I'm just saying one website's rating doesn't prove much in the overall scheme.
As often as it is mentioned on
So maybe mummy and duddy don't buy a new computer every six YEARS then.
I've given away 8 or 10 pentium 200+ in the last 2 or 3 years and know of several people who have done the same. Flea markets, garage sales, etc. have lots of use pentium machines for under $50. I really think the comlaint about i686 compiled distro/whatever is really getting stupid. If you really want to use your sub-pentium then compile for a week and go on with life, find an older distro and update the parts you need or just hunt down a slightly better machine. How reliable is that old 386/486 going to be anyway and how long will it last?
Here's the pentium ebay page. Happy hunt for all you out there in need of a cheap upgrade.
Several of the Linux distros and the BSD ones can boot off a floppy and pull it down ftp/http/nfs/etc. Just give them a little time and I'm sure someone will make one for Gentoo also.
I just did a FreeBSD samba box last week and a Mandrake netatalk box without a CD and all I needed was a couple floppies and a network connection. Hopefully someone will see the value of it for Gentoo and will put it together soon.
That page keeps coming up as the answer on how popular Gentoo is. That is just based on page hits on distrowatch's website. The current count is 180 and that really doesn't prove much to me. My infant son's website has more page views but that doesn't mean Gabriel is more popular than Gentoo.
Gentoo looks like it has promise. It needs to watch out for the pitfalls Mandrake fell into for a while. Mandrake was bleeding edge for the longest time and gathered a reputation for being a little less than stable. They finally started figuring ou the difference between bleeding edge and cutting edge around the 7.1-7.2 release.
Gentoo looks good to me from what I can tell so far but whether or not it is the #6 distro is going to need a little more checking on.
That's one of the units listed at that URL I replied to. Looks very nice.
You hit the question on the head. Most people are suggesting inputs but no controls. This looks exactly like what I've been looking for. I bought a car for commuting that has CD-changer controls in it. I keep looking at it wondering how hard it would be to make an adapter to connect to a com port on an mp3 box. I have an old laptop with a broken screen that I was going to mess with. I need to get to it.
What if you have a season pass to the campground?
Now they want to start charging you every time you come even though it is only mid-season.
We could spin analogies all day but the point is people are using broadband for all the reasons the providers told them to. I remeber all the great advertising of how much I can do with it and how fast I could do it.
Sure, play games online but we will filter your ports if you try to host a game. Seems like I'm getting my money's worth here.
Seems like more Coke in the pictures than MD but plenty of each.
I'd recommend that you build a voice activated robot to grab the remote and bring it to you. You should also program it to manually change channels when the batteries die in the remote. The discussion will probably wander and every crazy idea under the sun will come up.
How about....
plug a tv tuner into your bewoulf cluster and use that instead
watch tv from your computer and ssh/ssl into it but not telnet unless you are using kerberos and vlans on your switch behind an OpenBSD/Linux/toaster firewall.
blah, blah, blah, etc...............
It will get even lower mentioning aliens, grits and all things petrified. Moderators will down these posts so fast it will seem like they are being sucked into a karma blackhole.
Of course you can just get up and get it yourself but that isn't geeky enough. Please try to be geekier for the sake of being geekier.
If you already have a machine running your mp3s then why not have it serve up some more things?
Your own domain and a mail server can help cut down spamming if you do it right. It's nice to have webspace and emails that don't change everytime you change ISPs. I was able to snag mylastname.com. I can use firstname@lastname.com to make it convenient to remember for friends and family. I don't need colo for what I do but it is nice to able to run the webserver, database, scripting language I like.
I also do some of this stuff at work but it is nice to have the freedom to try stuff out that might be a problem at work. If I take my wife down for a bit with a configuration issue, it isn't as bad as taking down the campus I work at.
It really is going to come back to the OS for overall speed of a system. OS X is on the slow side. It is a very nice OS but Apple hasn't got all the optimizations out of it yet. Bare metal comparisons will definitely show show that a G4 is faster than a P4. OS X has a better design and can get a lot of work done even if the overall system is slower. We are going to have to get the software developers to take advantage of the multimedia extensions, etc. before it becomes a factor in the speed too.
I think if OS X gets optimized like it could be then it will have great usability and smokingly fast too. I don't think we are there yet and potential is great but you must capitalize on it. And I do use OS X regualarly at home and work. It is not what I would call fast even on a Quicksilver with plenty of RAM. It still is a very nice system to work with.
The last Intel processor I bought was a new 233MMX and everything else has been Athlon or RISC (Powermac, MIPS R10k). I did buy into DDR, faster hard drives, etc. but Intel and Mhz has not excited me.
Photoshop benchmarks have shown you are right but..........
Most other respectable bechmarks have shown that the margin of Mhz on a P4 vs performance on a G4 is MUCH smaller than the highly quote 2 to 1 ratio rabid Apple fans spout.
If all you do is Photoshop then yes the G4 is great but real world applications aren't all up to those performance numbers. Photoshop benchmarks are only showing specific operations and ignoring the rest. Anyone who has done any kind of benchmarking knows that there are strengths and weaknesses in every test. Marketing takes off with the highest figures and puts the spin on them.
OS X uses the CPU heavily because it isn't into the hardware yet on all the rendering. 10.2 is supposed to get the hardware more optimized and we will have to see how much improvement we will really see. I personally can't wait to see it.
Of course there are huge differences in speed and productivity. OS X is definitely got the advantage there over most. Maybe it is slower but it is still very nice to work with. If 10.2 comes through then it won't be slower and we really will have something to talk about.
It's hard to ignore facts but it nice to see that some people have fallen for the facts.