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Using Winamp vis. Plugins with xmms
protonman writes "...and you thought emulation was for watching quicktime trailers, playing nintendo games, or just running calc.exe. Think again,
Please welcome Winamp Visualization Plugins for XMMS, available now!"
Please welcome Winamp Visualization Plugins for XMMS, available now!
Time to call all of the Linux-using stoners I know.
--saint
(Hey, this is my 500th post. Sheesh.)
This thing requires WINE so we'll never see it on a PPC machine, at least we have G-Force and Whitecap.
Before anyone praises "On2 Technologies" too much...
(Score:-1,Wrong Article)
If I could use XMMS as a library, I'd love it even more.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
Where would you get MFC42.dll?
I have been pwned because my
Just as winter rain,
Emulation sucks.
Please install Windows.
Jesse
haiku391.5.beamsplat@spamgourmet.com
What would be really cool is an XMMS input plugin that can decode WMAs. I don't ever encode music in the WMA format, but I do encounter it on the net quite a bit and it's a pain in the ass to have to go WMA -> Wav -> MP3 for every single one.
It's too bad that now with Winamp 3 being released really really soon, all those old Winamp 2 plugins will be outdated (I do belive it will be backwards compatible, though....correct me if I'm wrong), and people will stop making them. Winamp 3's entire architecture changed, and on top of that there will be a Linux version of it. So, really no need for XMMS. It was a fine player, but I believe it's life will be coming to an end.
Still...this is an interesting project.
-James
Okay, Ive got an Athlon 1300 with a Geforce 2 Ultra. Under XP, Winamp visualizations that are greater than maybe 600x400 look really bad because of the raw crunching power necessary to make the pretty shapes. I know that WINE (or the Linux graphics subsystem in general), sometimes has speed problems relative to Windows so if that problem continues with these visulizations, I think it would be pretty wimpy if a good system could only run Visulizations adequately at like 200x200.
I have always wanted awesome visualizations instead of the couple available
We no longer have to settle for that Microsoft contraband now that the Penguins are producing some quality shit.
It's not poop. Peter is a respected member of the XMMS community, and he put a lot of work into making the libxmms addon what it is today.
Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it should be modded down!
This would be pretty tight if that song didn't suck so much
I'm in impulsive type of guy and I need to get a PC for playing MP3's NOW.
The question is what sort of OS should I use? Windows XP for linux.
Reading the above I would think that WinXP is the best for what I want to do. Can linux do ANY of the things mentioned in the above post?
Which one is easer to use?
Which one should I use?
alot of vis plugins are badly coded and run slow on any system.
check out geisswerks. I can run all their plugins at max detail at 1024 x 768 on my xp 1800 system. I have run them on slower computers and the fps is ussually good.
GoatPigSheep, the 3 most important food groups
Ryan Geiss makes some of the best winamp plugins available, including Geiss, Milkdrop, and Smoke. Geiss is a little dated and runs too fast on my computer at maximum settings(the framerate isn't restricted making it look too fast), but Smoke and Milkdrop run smoothly. Milkdrop is one of the best Winamp plugins available, so check it out if you have Winamp, or now, XMMS.
You know, of all the things Windows can do that Linux can't, Winamp is all too often left out.
Sure XMMS may be sleeker, playlist may scroll better, may be optomized for your machine, may have more configuration options, may have source available for modification, may not take over your entire system when you install it, may have better plugins, run much faster and better than Winamp...
But, it still can't... Umm... Remind me, what was my point again?
This reminds me of all the rest of the Linux world domination crap. "Linux hasn't take over the desktop because it doesn't have Microsoft Office!". Right! I hate how OpenOffice works with so many databases, doesn't put me in the poor house, never crashes, starts up in a fraction of the time, and runs on any platform anyone feel like porting it too...
Oh horror of horrors, how can we live without Winamp Visualization plugins, or Microsoft Office? It's like we are living in a world without fax machines... It's too horrible of a world to describe!
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
I'd rather wait for (or have no) visualizations for XMMS than have to rely on Wine to enjoy the goodness that is Mad Spin...
How about some Moby next time? *snicker*
Anyone think that trying to run windows apps on Linux is counter productive? Yes so the person is no longer running Windows, but they are still tied to it. Reminds me a lot like OS/2, where most people would just use OS/2 to run Windows apps, and the number of OS/2 apps started to dwindle, till there was nothing left.
The way he keeps dying and all. That can't be too good for his health.
I'll guess PowerPC is the 2nd most
popular Linux architecture. Binaries
for x86 are pretty useless.
The stock FreeAmp UI really sucks. I use the Aqua skin that is available from the freeamp.org web site. It really improves the usability.
i get so sick of people saying 'winamp is pointless b/c of xmms'
i guarantee you these are the same hypocrites who say 'gee, kde and gnome bring such great choice and variety to the linux desktop!'
how about we applaud a company that recognizes that there are linux users out there in the market and have actually put some resources towards noticing us as opposed to being so close minded against anything that didn't start on *nix? and no, i don't own stock in winamp and i use xmms all the time, i'm just saying we should _encourage_ ALL companies to make linux versions of their products even if there is already an alternative...
- Shift-V (or right-click on the stop button) to stop the current song using fade-out. Much more nicer to my ears. XMMS doesn't have that.
- I don't know since when, but latest Winamp versions have a very nice and subtle micro-fade-out when you stop a song or switch to a different one. This rocks. XMMS clicks and pops when you switch songs. This sucks.
- Winamp Vorbis comment editor and Vorbis comment displayer simply rock. The best I've seen to date. XMMS Vorbis comment editor and Vorbis comment displayer simply suck. Big time.
That's all. That's enough for me to prefer Winamp over XMMS. Yet I use XMMS much more than Winamp... simply because I've run Windows approximately ten hours over the past five months.Oh, and XMMS still doesn't seem to have good aRts support. This sucks, too.
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I say go for linux, mpg123 is a lot faster and lighter than the Windows media player anyday...
For those of you who might not know...
Perhaps the best plugins would have to be:
GForce
and
White Cap
Both by the talented Andy O'Meara
---Lane
Is this strictly for visual plug-ins? I've really grown to like the moodlogic plug in for MP3/WMA file management. It allows you to sort music by mood, and generate playlists based on what mood you are in, just by giving it a one song seed, and 1
Pretty cool. If you have a win box, check it out.
But it can only do 1% of what WMP can do. My grandma can use WMP. Please, fuck off. Thanks for playing.
good fucking call.
ps- Slackware 8.1 rocks
-phinn
You are a moron, you probably thought that should be "Vs" instead of "Vis", when really "Vis" means visualization plug-ins.
I'm thinking what Hemos really means is that he doesn't know how to spell visualization, so he took the chicken shit way out.
So much for trying to diss Slashdot you dirty fucking linux cocksucker.
As if Hemos doesn't do such a good job already?
MPlayer will happily play WMA version 7 or 8 (and I think Xine might too - not sure). Now MPlayer is fully open source, the only think that remains for it to become a quality media player is a playlist - expect it there pretty soon.
First, someone below seems to think this was created by Winamp. It wasn't, it just another Open Source tool created by OSS developers/hackers.
.wine to .transgaming. Start XMMS, and enter the plugin configuration dialog. You'll have WinAMP meta plugin pop up in the list.
Install the plugin. Then if you're using WineX (as you should), you'll need to link
Now download Geiss or G-Force from Winamp.com and run `winex (whatever).exe'. Install as normal, the defaults will be fine.
Now start XMMS again. When you try and configure the WinAMP meta plugin, you should now be able to select the Plugin DLL you just installed.
Using Transgaming WineX 2.0 stable release, GeForce works fine, except the window doesn't move and is always on top. GeForce doesn't resize the screen when it tries to go fullscreen. I'm not sure if these are WineX problems, WinAMP meta plugins or otherwise, suffice to say that WineX handles this well already for most games it supports.
So yeah: G-Force and Geis are great. Various `dancer' type plugins failed miserably. But its a promising start, especially for an app that's only existed for a few weeks.
10,000 holes in Blackburn, Lancashire.
And though the holes were very small,
They had to count them all!
Winamp 3 will be available on linux, so you might see more cross platform plugins (even your favourite trippy visualisations).
So is yr dad!
I do love my XMMS, but...
mpg123 may support lowend PCs, but XMMS has the biggest selection of plugins of any GPL MP3 player. e.g., this plugin for that remote.
We all have doorstops, ahem... older computers, that could be headless mp3 servers, great gifts, eco "Reuse me baby!" friendly, and even RULE Project consistent.
So where is the full command line and no-GUI version of XMMS?
xmms-shell [dead link] was a great start at the command line part. It has very detailed input and output of status, settings and more from the command-line. XMMS-control provides a web gui for XMMS via xmms-shell. XMMS project should encorporate a command line that elegantly handles ALL GUI commands and info displayed.
Removing the GUI, and adding full/powerful command line, would support many recipes for mp3 server.
My recipe for a server would have a headless box, wirelessly connected to the Home Entertainment Center via DVD Anywhere with remote for song skipping. Samba Server for LAN users to play music, and create playlists. A web gui for XMMS, particularly for selecting playlists (auto-converted from LAN users playlists to local). Command line also creates opportunity for a TV style GUI, to properly handle TV-out videocard, that DVD Anywhere can send to the TV!
Ideally an integrated XMMS command line would seemlessly handle multiple instances of XMMS and multiple sound cards, and dynamic reassignment of sound cards to a particular XMMS instance, for powerful whole house sound system with as many zones as sound cards on the MP3 server. e.g., play same song in every zone/room in the house at the start of the party such as Stones "Start me up", later break out the living room zone to another XMMS instance running dance music playlist, and patio to jazz. Later, reunify the all the sound cards/rooms/zones to the XMMS instance playing Jazz.
-Nathaniel
This is not an article about winamp under wine; this is an article about winamp plugins under wine!
Sheesh!
Who do you think makes visual plugins? Dwarves???
Gah argrggg... show bottom to invaders grunt grunt... toss rocks... shit that was my lunch!!
Hah, Looks like someone got my plugin running on Linux before I did (CJ's 3D OpenGL Plugins formerly known as Winamp3DGL & Winamp3Dfx) :-)
Glad to see the XMMS team has taken the initiative to use WINE to obtain visualizations from Winamp, a great move IMHO since there's already a ton of great vis plugins available. It'll be interesting to see if Winamp 3.x for linux makes a similar move..
There's a newer version of my plugin than the 1.50 from winamp.com if you want to give the 2.0 beta a try in Linux..
http://www.cubicproductions.com/20beta.html enjoy..
Warning there's still a lot of bugs as I've been really too busy the past few years to keep it up to date.. But 2.0 will be the final release from the c codebase.
I'll be starting a new open source, c++, cross-platform plugin for winamp 3.x sometime in the next year based on a new 3D engine I'm developing..
Charles J. Cliffe
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:)
Hahaha, now that was funny!!
that was.... disturbing.... definately NOT a plugin there....
One reason to choose winamp over xmms is the MAD Plugin. I think I will switch to xmms the moment MAD gets ported to it - I think makes better sound than mpeg123. As for visuals, I do not care much - when I am listening to music, I'd rather not look at the monitor at all :)
If someone wants a good visual plugin for xmms,
use iris. You find it at www.xmms.org.
Good looking 3d plugin with alpha blending stuff
Those are interesting ideas .. something that I've not missed, but I can certainly see the use for it.
There's only one feature in XMMS which I'm lacking - the ability to seek within audio streams. I keep thinking of diving in and looking over the code .. but I never quite get round to it.
Do you think Winamp might go the way of Freeamp which has to be renamed to Zinf (zinf is not freeamp) so as not to infringe on trademarks?
Zinf is based on the FreeAmp® source code. However, AMP® is a trademark of PlayMedia Systems, Inc., and therefore the original name of the project cannot be used anylonger. On this website the old project will be referred to as FreeA*p.
That post was full of shit. xmms-winamp was NOT made by Winamp.
The alpha release of Winamp for Linux is available for download from Nullsoft's site. A fairly lightweight 1.5MB download (XMMS was around 2MB last time I grabbed it). The press release for version 3 has this to say about Linux and us maybe seeing other cross-platform code:
That bodes well. Maybe the Wasabi "platform" will allow more visual stuff, hoepfully for more than just an mp3 player. The license, I'm sure, won't be GPL or LGPL.I downloaded the alpha. It's a tarball all right, but it's a tourist in the Linux world and definitely not a native speaker. First off, the archive has hardcoded paths starting from /. It expects you (as root, I assume) to extract it from /, and it makes a /usr/local/Winamp directory for its files and then places a shell script in /usr/local/bin which runs /usr/local/Winamp/Winamp.exe (with an input file arg and STDIN/STDERR to /dev/null). This is very weird. I now have a binary file with a .exe extension at $HOME/download/win32/winamp/usr/local/Winamp and a shell script which points elsewhere.
I tried to run it manually, but forgot one other thing about the shell script: it adds /usr/local/Winamp/libs to my LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable. I didn't do this, so it wouldn't run. I added it, and Winamp.exe did in fact execute. But it didn't run long.
It looks like this is a debug build, which is unsurprising since it's an alpha. It ran and displayed various profiler messages and such (the app loaded completely in 3422ms, in case you were interested). Most of the output wasn't especially interesting or unusual, although it did have a few of what looked to be function names that simply said "Write me!". I happened to notice that among these unwritten items, both Systray::addIcon and Systray::setTip told me to write them. Again, in case you didn't know it was a work-in-progress, here you go. Except seeing as how I don't have a system tray to which an icon and its associated tooltip might be added, I wonder if this might not be a work based on Win32 version which is in progress...
When the .exe ran it tried to create what looked like 3 new windows. I assume that they were the main window, the EQ and the playlist window. I couldn't say for sure since the allocated screen real estate was simply black. These new windows were up for about 1 second then went away. On the console, I saw this final message before the app died:
I'm no X programmer, but that looks to me that the app is trying to draw something in a window -- a border or background image or some such -- and can't because some X API function call was expecting different args. I don't know. I'm using XF86 that comes with Red Hat 7.3, version 4.2.0. Maybe this Winamp alpha was built under a different version? Version 3.something maybe? At any rate, I can see why they redirect STDIN and STDERR from the shell script. This build spits out a lot of info.So there it is. I ran it with strace and watched all the "seek into my zipped-up skins files" hoo-ha fly by. I'm tired and it's late and I'm no longer all that curious as to what "Linamp" might be like, so I didn't go through it all of it very much. I did scan through it, though. Toward the end, I saw bunch of open() calls that failed because the files weren't found. I also saw some libpng warnings about incomplete streams. Offhand, I'd say that this alpha build actually does expect to be installed in a certain location. Although I can't imagine hard-coding paths, even in an alpha. More likely, I've got it all wrong and my theories are bunk. I didn't install it where it wanted to be, though. I like a little unsolved mystery sometimes.
Anyway, it'll be nice to have some choice once they get it working. When I switched from Windows to Linux, one of the things I really missed was Winamp's minibrowser. XMMS could use that feature.
-B
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nice feature.. despite all the bitching...
If you dont want the module, dont install it... I i never was big into the visualization stuff...
one plugin that i'd cream over is something to allow xmms to use mplayer as the back-end for all media files. xmms has a nice clean interface (thanks to winamp) and mplayer plays almost every format out there (and i'm sure real support will be cleaner soon and sorenson will be added)
a tad off-topic --- does anyone else have trouble playing rm files in mplayer CVS? -- It dies after about a minute and 9 seconds on all rm files.. and the sync is off HORRIBLY
p r m t h s
What the XMMS folks need to do is make XMMS into a client/server setup - the "server" which plays the MP3s, and a client that talks to the server via a socket for control.
/. say, seperation of UI and backend by a network transparent layer is IMPORTANT - it is one of the things that enables *nix to be "anywhere, any keyboard, any account". The computer IS the network....
Visualizations and video formats would be handled by the client telling the server where to display - obviously the server can use XShm, DRI or Xv if it is displaying locally.
Right now, my MP3 server is running in the basement, feeding into the house sound system. But to make that work, I had to set up VNC so that I can display XMMS remotely whichever computer I am on. This sucks, since VNC isn't cheap from a resource standpoint.
Despite what so many hypotrolls here on
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Yea, umm WinAmp visualisations. fine.
;)
But the most impressive vis plugin I have ever seen is for the (discontinued) Sonique player, and is called THe Rabbit Hole.
Truly amazing how it reacts to music, and even to non-technoid one. (Which is the major drawback of most vis plugins IMO, that they work best with technoid sounds.)
Try it out if you have some spare time & bandwidth
Remember what the dormouse said...
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Another reason you're OS will never make it into the mainstream. Linux users all want the many apps that are built for Windows but not for their crummy OS. Deal with it dumbass. You've made your bed now lie in it!
In the late 1980s when the original specifications for OS/2 were first laid out, the majority of applications on users' screens were DOS, which was supported. Rather well actually, since IBM managed to get rid of 640K RAM barrier hassles.
Windoze at that point in history was not a factor in the marketplace, but as Win16 software began to make it's way to users' hands in the early 1990s IBM added an integrated Win16 superset in Warp 3.0 Blue Label in 1994, that could be selectively installed or not at the user's whim. IBM contractual arrangements pretty much allowed them to to do as they pleased with Win16.
There was another major design objective in Warp: Authentic execution space for 32bit binaries. This was at least two years before M$ was even close to releasing Win95, which claimed to be a 32bit environment although large chunks of it weren't.
Windoze prevailed, but the reason for that is more to do with lies and rackettering than technology. This is the point in history where formerly helpful engineers began to say things that made no sense when I would call or write with a request for driver support.
OS/2 didn't die of natural causes - It was murdered. The best place to read details of this unfortunate episode in the development of our industry is in the sworn testimony given to the Jackson court by IBM and others.
give me a
"Go back to windows, do us all a favor..." But first, write some decent skins for XMMS. It doesn't even compare to the skins available on WinAmp! How do we entice artists onto linux?
WMA, using Microsoft's patented "active virus" technology, has made WMA most decidedly NOT "just data". These stupid files can carry any kind of payload you want to bomb your hated windows using enemies with, just like sending them a spreadsheet or Word document, thanks to Bil Gates' vaunted technology.
.wma, they will NOT run wma files misnamed to mp3.
Winamp will run WMA viruses as long as they are clearly marked
If you rename one of these evil WMA files to MP3 and your indended target is running Windows Media Player (WiMP), WiMP will play it anyway.
Of course these data bombs won't affect you, running Linux, but if you actually have any friends (or users you must support) using windows, stay away from wma!
-steve
the Springfield Fragfest
This is a Good Thing. Ive enjoyed playing w/ WinAmp AVS in the past, and thought it would be fun to run at a party via a DLP projector, trouble is that if you want to change the Image you have to drop down out of a fullscreen, to your windows desktop and make the changes -- for all to see.
Now that this runs w/ XMMS, what I (assume we can now do) is run the WinAmp Plugins in fullscreen, on a seperate Virtual Desktop and apply the changes to it. Have the DLP projector project only the fullscreen VisPlugin's output and use the other desktop to make the changes -- no crappy 'behind-the-curtains' revelations for the party guests who would otherwise enjoy the output as a sort-of real-time-art-poster that reacts to the music....
But I 'spose someone will tell me i could have already done this...
All it takes is mpg123. (http://www.mpg123.de/)
.bashrc.
The main stereo system in my house is a command-line only OpenBSD box, using nothing but mpg123 and bash. And old CPU and an 80 gigs of high bitrate MP3s.
Put the aliases, below, into your
SSH into it from anywhere in the house.
`cd` into the folder with your MP3s, and type `play` or of these bash aliases...
# PLAY ALL SONGS IN FOLDER: ALPHABETICALLY
alias play='ls -l1 *.mp3 > ALL.m3u && mpg123 --list ALL.m3u'
# PLAY ALL SONGS IN FOLDER: NEWEST FIRST
alias playnew='ls -tl1 *.mp3 > ALL.m3u && mpg123 --list ALL.m3u'
# PLAY ALL SONGS IN FOLDER: RANDOM ORDER
alias playr='ls -l1 *.mp3 > ALL.m3u && mpg123 -z --list ALL.m3u'
# VOLUME UP
alias v+='mixerctl -w outputs.master=+10'
# VOLUME DOWN
alias v-='mixerctl -w outputs.master=-10'
# VOLUME RESET TO NORMAL
alias v9='mixerctl -w outputs.master=199,199'
# PLAY MY FAVORITE SHOUTCAST STREAM (R.I.P.)
alias groovesalad='mpg123 -b 256 http://205.188.209.193:80/stream/1002';
Are you trying to be a troll, or are you just misinformed? xmms uses the same skin format as WinAmp does--a bunch of .BMP files with standardized names, all concatenated into one zip file. Just put any Winamp skin into /usr/share/xmms/Skins/ (system-wide) or ~/.xmms/Skins/ (for one user). This is fully documented in the man page for xmms and has been there for at least 2 years.
Give a monkey a brain and he'll swear he's the center of the universe.
I also tried the WinAmp Linux alpha release. First, it's very picky about color depth - I think it prefers 16-bit depth, for some reason, and doesn't have code to properly and cleanly handle other depths (like 24/32-bit depth). On my P3/650, it ate a lot of CPU just playing an MP3 (usually playing an MP3 with it doesn't even significantly affect CPU load, but it took up near 50% CPU time, if I recall correctly). It also crashed easily - just looking through the controls was enough to make it die.
If this is their idea of a Linux port, they can keep it. (Of course, I'm biased...)
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<plug>
Consider using AlsaPlayer as the backend for your project. AlsaPlayer supports so called interface plugins, where you can write your own custom front-end to the player if your needs are that specific. The current CVS version supports a "daemon" interface where the player will just run as a background process and accept commands through the libalsaplayer control interface. There are already a couple of projects preparing to switch to this interface. I know of at least one commercial project that is currently programming a backend.
</plug>
-adnans
"In short: just say NO TO DRUGS, and maybe you won't end up like the Hurd people." --Linus Torvalds
I'd say The GIMP is a good way to entice artists onto linux. I don't know if I'd want to attract artist who'd be swayed by winamp skins or visualizations. Besides, even with the lack of skins and vis. plugins I'd still take XMMS over WinAmp just because I have the Add Selected Files and Add All Files in Directory buttons on the file browser. Makes building playlists 10x easier. Oh yeah, and it runs under linux.
...and so the comment ended.
There is some work being done on this (xmmsmg), though I get the impression not all xmms core developers are eager to drop dependency on the X11 gui..
Anyone else remember cthugha? It was a fractal/bitmap visualisation package that ran from the soundcard mixer. I'd love to see this as an xmms plug-in.
You can emulate a quicktime player for linux? Someone want to tell me how? chad@lost-star.net
you are right.
/. on them or cups and other 'geek' stuff
but think about this situation again,this time little closer.
you are one ex-windows user and you want to see a different os and you choose Linux(you have heard your friends talk about this often, and also you have heard the word 'RedHat') you goes to the shop and buy one cd with RedHat, then you go home and put this cd in the cd-rom, you are dazed by the color and the fancy look. you have xmms and kde or gnome and many other things.
...after 2 years..
after 2 years you hate windows, and love linux
you are starting something new, the propaganda.
talking with friends about linux, buying t-shirts with
...after 6 years..
after 6 years you hate linux, and love bsd
there is no more propaganda, the paint from your old t-shirts is fade.
you are starting to read code, and laught on the comments in the kernel source.
no more talking, you are now coder.
reading netinet/tcp_input.c line by line, char by char.
understanding the meaning of layer 2 api of the kernel.
you are now alone. a proud bsd commiter.
see, all this started with one redhat and one beautiful winamp skin.
of course any of this things could not happen
the theory of chaos you know.
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Some linux users might, but most of us just want to run some of the programs that are available for windows without the horrors of having to use windows, you never realise how opressed you are until you are free.
Windows fucking owns, dude. I'm waiting for Windows to start emulating Linux, so I don't have to use all those Linux-only apps.
Correction:
I'm waiting for Windows to start emulating Linux, so I don't have to use Linux for all those Linux-only apps.
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Right on my brotha'. While the visualizations are cool, there's no point in Winamp for Linux. Xmms is as good if not better and very mature. You can use all the winamp skins with xmms as well. http://xmms.org has millions of plugins, not just VIS plugins either.
I posted yesterday nearly the same thing and got modded +1 then -1 flamebait then -1 troll.Mods, put down your crack pipe before your knee-jerk reaction kicks in.
It's so annoying to have to open a web browser, go to www.shoutcast.com, search for the stream I want, and click on it... when I could just bookmark it within Winamp on windows...
I don't know about you all, but the day X10 gets ANY of my money is the day that hell freezes over.
I *was* going to fully X10 my house at one point. The key word here being 'was'. About that time, X10 started the pop-up/under ad campaign.
They've lost my respect, AND my business. Sorry charlie.
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might I suggest
cplay? It's a great curses interface that sits on top of mpg123.
It's written in python, and is nice and lightweight, yet full-featured.
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It's not that we don't want to, it's the time it would take, and the time we don't have. There's too many things that we want to do with XMMS, and mostly that ends up as not done at all.
I don't think that the GIMP is any kind of enticment for artists to come to Linux. Sorry, but Photoshop still beats the pants off GIMP in terms of useability.
Even Photoshop LE can well hold its own against GIMP. Maybe we don't need artists, but UI designers on linux....
when you extract the archive, the best thing to do in my opinion is move the Winamp directory from the /usr/local tree it creates to your home directory. after that, move the script from the usr/local/bin dir to you ~/bin dir or whereever you want
all you have to do is edit that script and put the path to the Winamp directory and it will run. no messing with environment variables after that.
plus, it does not run in 16 bit for me. only 24 bit or higher. it runs quite bad right now, but christ its only like the very first beta alpha preview for linux, give them some credit at least they try. my only concern now is that it hasn't been updated since october 2001...