The free version is licensed under the GPL. However, if you're complying with Qt's licenses, you have to pay to get the commercial PyQt to get a similarly licensed product. See http://www.riverbankcomputing.co.uk/software/pyqt/license. There are many open source licenses, and having a product that relies on a library have _different_ licenses than that same library unless one pays for it is not the open way.
You're surprised the lawyers didn't get punished? Sir, perhaps I can point you to www.groklaw.net. SCO has been pushing outside the envelope of ethical litigation since 2003. That's SIX YEARS of doing it. They have received no sanctions, endless do-overs, and are now in a trustee Chapter-11 (instead of Chapter 7) bankruptcy.
CLEARLY lawyers not only DO NOT get punished, but are REWARDED for behaving in this manner.
The good guys (that would be us the humans, as well as the named other parties in the cases) all lose, and the unethical lawyers win.
Please show me your RFID passport, give your liquids to the nice man from the TSA, and tell me your social-security number so I can enter it into my laptop.
> I hope your company loses sales
I appreciate your open attitude of hatred.
> and goes out of business
Thanks so much for your well wishes
> and you lose your job and then you and your family lose your home
That's so nice. Thanks so much.
Hopefully your Microsoft masters will relieve you of some of your burden of guilt for being such a dick. As someone who makes money from Microsoft I don't expect you'll either "get it" nor feel guilt.
There's no hate, just facts. The DEC/MS settlement wasn't "pretty" clear, it was EXTREMELY clear.
Is Microsoft paying you guys, because clearly there's an active disinformation campaign on/. That's a new one. Maybe someone told them the Internet is more than just IE.
Dave Cutler didn't architect VMS. Dave was one of the developers. Dave took what he learned at D.E.C. and "brought it over to Microsoft." Microsoft wooed him over, paid him extra, and got W/NT (note the letters are one higher than VMS).
Had this been something Dave did on his own, he'd have been fired. Instead Microsoft accepted responsibility for stealing D.E.C's code, paid a large amount of money, did a deal with chip mfg, and everyone went away happy.
I've said it twice now, but apparently you Microsoft shills don't get it. You can't rewrite history. Sooner or later someone will use google and find your shame.
FACT: Microsoft's W/NT used concepts and code from DEC VMS
FACT: Microsoft elected to pay DEC instead of defend in court and maybe lose the right to use the stolen code
FACT: The truth IS out there as anyone who reads the interwebs will see.
It IS refreshing to hear level-headed guys say that the FOSS community will happily accept code from those who won't turn on the community and sue it. Microsoft clearly is NOT one of those entities. They have sued as recently as this year (see FAT32 and TOMTOM) and they have funded other suits in the past years (see SCO vs IBM, www.groklaw.com). Microsoft isn't a "partner". They are the snake you let into your home to embrace, extinguish, and "extend" your neck.
It would be refreshing to see their decline in sales (http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218600533) and in share value to continue. They've spent two decades making their bed -- mostly by ripping the feathers off of real contributors like Novell, Digital Equipment Corporation, etc. Let them lie in it.
Sorry, but diskeeper HAS been taking money out of peoples' pockets for ages. Before they sold diskeeper its makers sold a caching product. Either product was useless and together double-useless. ODS is what deals with file section windows. I appreciate your pointing out there's A thing called Files-11 and a wiki article. Why don't you point out FMS and RMS while you're at it. They are all irrelevant. ODS is the real issue and it's fine. Fragmentation is a red herring.
> I like many OS.
So do I.
> Any real VMS admin such as myself
Sorry to disappoint, but unlike admins, engineers (or a kernel coders) have to understand the internal workings, and if you get there, you'll be more apt to see what I'm saying. Still, I don't want you to think I'm talking down to you, and Slashdot isn't about you and I having a conversation.
ODS - On Disk Structure - defines how a structure (you could think of this as a file if you were so limited) is stored. It includes extents and lists of extents. Disk defragmenters like that ripoff product diskeeper attempt to make use of ignorance of how this works to get people to buy software that does not help. In reality the extent windows are cached by the filesystem so having parts of the structure on different platters/heads/cylinders doesn't do ANYTHING to performance on reads or writes. ("Doesn't do anything"=does not affect performance of reads or writes.)
Glad you work at a VAR. It's good to have a job these days. If you want to know more, study up on ODS, extents, windows, caching, and don't read any more wikipedia on FMS, Files-11, RMS, or anything else which is not low-level.
There's nothing wrong with being an admin. Best not to confuse it with being an engineer.
What is it about OpenBSD nutbars that makes everything personal to the point they lose all reason?
> The OS to run for utter reliability is...
I'll stick with the proven winner. My post already indicated not only why that is, but showed the evidence. Just naming something different with no comparison, criteria, or any evaluative points is just a strawman argument.
> File-11 filesystem...
I know it's hard to research things that you can't google, but trust me -- you should research before you speak -- especially if you're going to be judgmental about something not being as good as something else, and you have no knowledge of one of them. There is no such thing as what you said.
> You dislike Theo because of
You have no clues as to whether I dislike Theo (I do not dislike him) nor why.
I care nothing about him.
> you think of him as "socialpath"
Yes, because he's met the standard for being a sociopath. It's not what "I think". It is what it is. DSM is now online. Feel free to use it.
> You can see what happens...toughness of boss...Hurd...Linus...Theo...
I'm sorry I disrupted your church. I was discussing operating systems, not people. It so happens OpenBSD is associated with a known sociopath. That has nothing to do with Linus, Hurd, or anyone else you care to bring up.
Best regards,
Try not to froth at the mouth when your religion or prophet are painted in the colors they selected themselves.
You don't have to be a troll to note that Theo is a sociopath and his followers are a messianic-follower lot of nutbars. (All 7 of them each with 1000 identities).
I used to do kernel coding for VMS (original VAX/VMS, then VMS, then OpenVMS) way back. If you were on the VAX-L list (Bitnet...) or comp.os.vms then you know my name or Carl Lydick (Rest in peace).
I think it's cute that some OpenBSD accolyte thought this was a good time for a big public slasdot attaboy for OpenBSD. Sadly the "project" outlived its usefulness when it put *ALL* its eggs into the "The is our spokesmodel and ruler" basket.
VMS is still the operating system of choice for banks and hospitals. The "VMS vs. Unix" wars ended.
Market share - Microsoft won.
Uptime - VMS still has it.
Other - Linux has it.
OpenBSD - No such winner in any category.
If someone has a category in which OpenBSD comes up on top, feel free to bring it up.
Most reliable in terms of mean or mode uptime - no.
Most lines of code reviewed, corrected, maintained, or updated - no
Most hardware supported - no
Most non sociopath developers ranting on in public forums making asses of themselves - no
(I hope my use of the double negative doesn't confuse those same)
In short, OpenBSD, I wish you well. Your chosen prophet has taken you down a well from which you will not return.
The part the public has been told:
The US Space Shuttle was supposed to be reusable but contractor lobbyists and a weak congress allowed the specs to stray so now it's a big lumbering beast with ceramic tile issues, extar booster tanks, foam for icing protection on those tanks, falling ice and foam as a danger to the hull's integrity, etc.
The part they haven't:
If you sneeze near the shuttle or in any other way change the ambient air pressure you will be arrested.
If you use a cellphone near the shuttle it will be called a lightning strike and you will collect no overtime for that pay period.
If actual lightning strikes within 20 nautical miles and someone used a cellphone, it shall be charged to their pay period. If nobody used a cellphone it will be announced as "rogue lightning."
If one of the launch directors wakes up facing the west side of the bed, the launch shall be scrubbed, and the 6th employee he sees after his 6th bite of his 6th donut shall be designated Evil Incarnate. (If he's on his 7th donut, making it 667, that employee shall instead be designated 667 - across the street neighbor from Evil Incarnate).
Our nation's infrastructure towers over the puny shuttle. Yet the shuttle is grounded by a sneezing turle or a laughing hyena.
He fixes airplanes. With toothpicks.
He debunks myths. Without snopes or wikipedia.
He once delivered a baby airplane from a mother airplane at forty-thousand feed - in the wind!
He is the most interesting man's next door neighbor's cousin.
"I don't always drink single-malt Scotch. But when I do, it's pretty decent. Stay thorsty, my frenz."
The Court can rule that the case goes back to the Utah Court or not. It will not rule on the merits of the case, so it will not ever in any way, shape, or form rule that SCO has the rights to Unix or any other pipe dream.
There is no indication that the decision of the appeals court will occur in the next six weeks. SCO is stalling because that is the tactic they've adopted from the very first "suitcase of proof" and "millions of lines of code" and "MIT deep-divers."
FUD works when it lasts for a very long time, not when it's immediately dispelled.
I'm sorry that's how it is in your country, but in the US the Federal Government has to abide by the Constitution and all right not specifically given to the Federal Government (by same) are reserved elsewhere. (See the 9th and 10th Amendments.)
That means that it's not really about the people being harassed and forced to undergo invasive searches (See 4th Amendment) finding another job. No. It's about their job being just fine, and the Federal government having to be reasonable with its searches and seizures. (Again, 4th Am.)
That's how it is in our country. If you don't like it, watch the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out, and remember to wipe your feet on the "good riddance to those who don't respect civil liberties" doormat.
Very accurate. Should be "5 interesting". Of course/. rewards argumentative counterculture copycats and lemmings... not anyone who actually tells it like it is.
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Cheers
E
Kudos to Nokia.
E
CLEARLY lawyers not only DO NOT get punished, but are REWARDED for behaving in this manner.
The good guys (that would be us the humans, as well as the named other parties in the cases) all lose, and the unethical lawyers win.
Cheers,
Ehud
Yeah, Linux works for all the rest of us. Every single one. You're the control group.
Please show me your RFID passport, give your liquids to the nice man from the TSA, and tell me your social-security number so I can enter it into my laptop.
E
I appreciate your open attitude of hatred.
> and goes out of business
Thanks so much for your well wishes
> and you lose your job and then you and your family lose your home
That's so nice. Thanks so much.
Hopefully your Microsoft masters will relieve you of some of your burden of guilt for being such a dick. As someone who makes money from Microsoft I don't expect you'll either "get it" nor feel guilt.
E
E
Is Microsoft paying you guys, because clearly there's an active disinformation campaign on /. That's a new one. Maybe someone told them the Internet is more than just IE.
E
Had this been something Dave did on his own, he'd have been fired. Instead Microsoft accepted responsibility for stealing D.E.C's code, paid a large amount of money, did a deal with chip mfg, and everyone went away happy.
I've said it twice now, but apparently you Microsoft shills don't get it. You can't rewrite history. Sooner or later someone will use google and find your shame.
FACT: Microsoft's W/NT used concepts and code from DEC VMS
FACT: Microsoft elected to pay DEC instead of defend in court and maybe lose the right to use the stolen code
FACT: The truth IS out there as anyone who reads the interwebs will see.
E
http://www.google.com/search?q=windows+nt+vms&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
If you Microsoft shills don't get it after this, I throw my hands up in [further] disgust.
E
You want more? Just ask.
> Microsoft "stole" nothing.
Yeah, they did.
E
It would be refreshing to see their decline in sales (http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218600533) and in share value to continue. They've spent two decades making their bed -- mostly by ripping the feathers off of real contributors like Novell, Digital Equipment Corporation, etc. Let them lie in it.
E
They think "Open disclosure" and "transparency" are things you find in mailing envelopes.
Ehud
> I like many OS.
So do I.
> Any real VMS admin such as myself
Sorry to disappoint, but unlike admins, engineers (or a kernel coders) have to understand the internal workings, and if you get there, you'll be more apt to see what I'm saying. Still, I don't want you to think I'm talking down to you, and Slashdot isn't about you and I having a conversation.
ODS - On Disk Structure - defines how a structure (you could think of this as a file if you were so limited) is stored. It includes extents and lists of extents. Disk defragmenters like that ripoff product diskeeper attempt to make use of ignorance of how this works to get people to buy software that does not help. In reality the extent windows are cached by the filesystem so having parts of the structure on different platters/heads/cylinders doesn't do ANYTHING to performance on reads or writes. ("Doesn't do anything"=does not affect performance of reads or writes.)
Glad you work at a VAR. It's good to have a job these days. If you want to know more, study up on ODS, extents, windows, caching, and don't read any more wikipedia on FMS, Files-11, RMS, or anything else which is not low-level.
There's nothing wrong with being an admin. Best not to confuse it with being an engineer.
Best regards,
Ehud
> The OS to run for utter reliability is...
I'll stick with the proven winner. My post already indicated not only why that is, but showed the evidence. Just naming something different with no comparison, criteria, or any evaluative points is just a strawman argument.
> File-11 filesystem...
I know it's hard to research things that you can't google, but trust me -- you should research before you speak -- especially if you're going to be judgmental about something not being as good as something else, and you have no knowledge of one of them. There is no such thing as what you said.
> You dislike Theo because of
You have no clues as to whether I dislike Theo (I do not dislike him) nor why.
I care nothing about him.
> you think of him as "socialpath"
Yes, because he's met the standard for being a sociopath. It's not what "I think". It is what it is. DSM is now online. Feel free to use it.
> You can see what happens...toughness of boss...Hurd...Linus...Theo...
I'm sorry I disrupted your church. I was discussing operating systems, not people. It so happens OpenBSD is associated with a known sociopath. That has nothing to do with Linus, Hurd, or anyone else you care to bring up.
Best regards,
Try not to froth at the mouth when your religion or prophet are painted in the colors they selected themselves.
Ehud
I used to do kernel coding for VMS (original VAX/VMS, then VMS, then OpenVMS) way back. If you were on the VAX-L list (Bitnet...) or comp.os.vms then you know my name or Carl Lydick (Rest in peace).
I think it's cute that some OpenBSD accolyte thought this was a good time for a big public slasdot attaboy for OpenBSD. Sadly the "project" outlived its usefulness when it put *ALL* its eggs into the "The is our spokesmodel and ruler" basket.
VMS is still the operating system of choice for banks and hospitals. The "VMS vs. Unix" wars ended.
Market share - Microsoft won.
Uptime - VMS still has it.
Other - Linux has it.
OpenBSD - No such winner in any category.
If someone has a category in which OpenBSD comes up on top, feel free to bring it up.
Most reliable in terms of mean or mode uptime - no.
Most lines of code reviewed, corrected, maintained, or updated - no
Most hardware supported - no
Most non sociopath developers ranting on in public forums making asses of themselves - no
(I hope my use of the double negative doesn't confuse those same)
In short, OpenBSD, I wish you well. Your chosen prophet has taken you down a well from which you will not return.
E
The US Space Shuttle was supposed to be reusable but contractor lobbyists and a weak congress allowed the specs to stray so now it's a big lumbering beast with ceramic tile issues, extar booster tanks, foam for icing protection on those tanks, falling ice and foam as a danger to the hull's integrity, etc.
The part they haven't:
If you sneeze near the shuttle or in any other way change the ambient air pressure you will be arrested.
If you use a cellphone near the shuttle it will be called a lightning strike and you will collect no overtime for that pay period.
If actual lightning strikes within 20 nautical miles and someone used a cellphone, it shall be charged to their pay period. If nobody used a cellphone it will be announced as "rogue lightning."
If one of the launch directors wakes up facing the west side of the bed, the launch shall be scrubbed, and the 6th employee he sees after his 6th bite of his 6th donut shall be designated Evil Incarnate. (If he's on his 7th donut, making it 667, that employee shall instead be designated 667 - across the street neighbor from Evil Incarnate).
Our nation's infrastructure towers over the puny shuttle. Yet the shuttle is grounded by a sneezing turle or a laughing hyena.
E
He fixes airplanes. With toothpicks. He debunks myths. Without snopes or wikipedia. He once delivered a baby airplane from a mother airplane at forty-thousand feed - in the wind! He is the most interesting man's next door neighbor's cousin. "I don't always drink single-malt Scotch. But when I do, it's pretty decent. Stay thorsty, my frenz."
Does this have ANYTHING to do with TECHNOLOGY or ANYTHING RELATED?
There is no indication that the decision of the appeals court will occur in the next six weeks. SCO is stalling because that is the tactic they've adopted from the very first "suitcase of proof" and "millions of lines of code" and "MIT deep-divers."
FUD works when it lasts for a very long time, not when it's immediately dispelled.
E
So the mods could come in here and explain, but then their mods would be gone :)
Heisenberg, we hardly knew ya.
E
No.
Perhaps you mean the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act. (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-107publ56/content-detail.html)
That has nothing to do with this discussion.
Thanks for the illiterate trivia question.
E
That means that it's not really about the people being harassed and forced to undergo invasive searches (See 4th Amendment) finding another job. No. It's about their job being just fine, and the Federal government having to be reasonable with its searches and seizures. (Again, 4th Am.)
That's how it is in our country. If you don't like it, watch the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out, and remember to wipe your feet on the "good riddance to those who don't respect civil liberties" doormat.
E
Very accurate. Should be "5 interesting". Of course /. rewards argumentative counterculture copycats and lemmings... not anyone who actually tells it like it is.