Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 here. I can do everything I need to do on either one of these boxes. My wife has weaned herself off of Win98, as well, which was something of a feat. I've gotten three of my neighbors onto Linux as well, with one couple never having a computer with anything but Mandrake on it.
I took a chance to see if the Red Carpet kernel update would work (yep, I don't really care if it bombs). Turns out, it updated a RedHat 7.0 installation (actually, I got everything from every channel), and the kernel installed fine, except for having to run 'mkinitrd', 'lilo' and 'Xconfigurator' after the process completed. I'm probably not going to take the time to really shake things out, but everything works that was working before. So far, I'm impressed. It's already worked better than RedHat's up2date.
Now, there's none of M$'s code in GNUFoo, but the FSF and the GNUFoo programmers now have to prove that, because in the Real World you are presumed guilty until proven innocent, and even then you're still guilty of looking guilty.
Wouldn't Microsoft have to provide source code for the trial record to prove where they believe to be the stolen source resides? I doubt they'd be willing to do that.
Here's a link from Kernel Traffic
"... We are concernd about the veracity of your associates. Despite the representations they have made to you, we have not been taking GPL code from Linux and using internally at Microsoft. This approach by these Linux people is little more than an attempt to [blackmail Microsoft] with unsubstanciated rumors. We see no benefit whatsoever to provided NTFS R/W capabilities on Linux..."
Not very nice to be sure. I know that black and white markings (like a penguin) are in style right now, but white and black stripes are not !:-)
But he concluded, "I have the ability to litigate against them. They know this and I doubt will go any further than to bluster and threaten." End Of Thread (tm).
Jeff V. Merkey knows something interesting. I think we can all be glad they backed off.
Postgres and MySQL are great inclusions, but what about Interbase? Hasn't it been released with an acceptable license? In any event, ya gotta love these choices!
So what if lookd like Outlook? Microsoft no doubt spends lots of $$$ learning about UI issues, and if the open source community can get some traction off of that expenditure, then good for them!
It seems that anyone terribly interested in running a large database on a Linux platform may wish to wait for the 2.4 kernel to arrive, as it adds support for raw devices, file sizes over 2G, tons of additional ram... It generally scales better for this type of work. Check out this link for a listing of the new stuff.
I'm running an instance of Informix Online Server at work on a RedHat box, and it installed into/opt. I fooled with the installation of Oracle 8i that RedHat was distributing a while back, and I seem to recall that it wanted to install into/opt as well. Interbase has plenty of good company in/opt.
I recently spent several hours trying to make the Mandrake version of Helix Gnome install properly in my nephew's computer, while on my Red Hat box, I've had way fewer problems. Seeing how Helix can have problems with Mandrake (which is hard to tell from Red Hat), imagine how difficult it must be to make their installations work under the various installations. Personally, I'd love to see these efforts have to worry less about installations.
The ONLY open source software that I run (and I've been M$ free for about a year) that gives me any trouble is stuff like Mozilla. Not so with Corel Office / StarOffice. They run fairly well, but I've gotten clobbered by both of them. Commercial apps are fine, but on Linux, open source is setting a tough standard to have to beat in the marketplace. Commercial apps have to be not just good, but demonstrably better than the open source equivalent, and that's not happening enough to validate closed application development models as being superior. I do appreciate the choice, though, and will support some closed source commercial apps with $$$. But they have to be better than an open source equivalent that I can't help improve.
From a technological point of view, I have to admit to a certain disappointment, however: there are a lot of nifty things they could have done with a new UI.
... and may still do. It's a little too early to write them off.
I'll bet you're right, and Microsoft surely is going to try to limit what is accessable. They're going to have to be careful about messing with their API's in the future, though. I'm sure they have the resources to obfuscate API's even with the DOJ watching, but it's got to become a zero-sum game at some point.
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were alright. Now days, when I go into a tavern and have to sit anywhere close to one of 'em, I find myself petting pissed by the sheer volume of the things. I hate having to shout over all of the electronic clanking. I won't miss that aspect.
I can't speak about the unlimited number of mailboxes, filters, etc. (I don't get that much email), but StarOffice 5.1 does a very nice job of handling email. It's all gui, too. You can send from multiple SMTP servers, and a variety of accounts, send and recieve from any of them at any time... And, the price is certainly right.
I did something similar. My boss wanted to make data that resides on our Informix/Tru64 Unix/Alpha server available on our intranet, so I downloaded Apache and PHP, compiled 'em and had a small prototype available within a day for no cost ('cept for me), and the data's available to anyone in the agency with a browser. That sort of thing's impressive, expecially when bosses are so used to thinking in terms high cost and long delays.
MySQL is a great solution for displaying information on a web page, but I can't imagine ising it for more than that. Without transactions, it would be risky to use it for anything more. Who needs more risk?
I agree with you about the silver lining, but the papering of your co-workers cubicle with Young's rebuttal might not have served the cause so well (though I'll bet it was fun).
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I got plenty of "Code Red" attempts in my web log from the speakeasy.net domain. Maybe they should've blocked port 80!
Redhat 7.1 and Mandrake 8.0 here. I can do everything I need to do on either one of these boxes. My wife has weaned herself off of Win98, as well, which was something of a feat. I've gotten three of my neighbors onto Linux as well, with one couple never having a computer with anything but Mandrake on it.
I took a chance to see if the Red Carpet kernel update would work (yep, I don't really care if it bombs). Turns out, it updated a RedHat 7.0 installation (actually, I got everything from every channel), and the kernel installed fine, except for having to run 'mkinitrd', 'lilo' and 'Xconfigurator' after the process completed. I'm probably not going to take the time to really shake things out, but everything works that was working before. So far, I'm impressed. It's already worked better than RedHat's up2date.
Wouldn't Microsoft have to provide source code for the trial record to prove where they believe to be the stolen source resides? I doubt they'd be willing to do that.
What in the world is there to be afraid of? KDE is good, Gnome is good. Not many people are being forced against their will to use either, I'll wager.
Chill.
Jeff V. Merkey knows something interesting. I think we can all be glad they backed off.
Apparently Lokkit was written by Alan Cox hizzelf. It's another firewalling script/utility that may be of interest, and you can find it here.
PMFirewall is another ipchains script that's simple to use, a seems to generate a very useful set of rules. You can find it here.
Postgres and MySQL are great inclusions, but what about Interbase? Hasn't it been released with an acceptable license? In any event, ya gotta love these choices!
Gnome has been stable on this machine since October Gnome, released last year!
So what if lookd like Outlook? Microsoft no doubt spends lots of $$$ learning about UI issues, and if the open source community can get some traction off of that expenditure, then good for them!
It seems that anyone terribly interested in running a large database on a Linux platform may wish to wait for the 2.4 kernel to arrive, as it adds support for raw devices, file sizes over 2G, tons of additional ram... It generally scales better for this type of work. Check out this link for a listing of the new stuff.
I'm running an instance of Informix Online Server at work on a RedHat box, and it installed into /opt. I fooled with the installation of Oracle 8i that RedHat was distributing a while back, and I seem to recall that it wanted to install into /opt as well. Interbase has plenty of good company in /opt.
I recently spent several hours trying to make the Mandrake version of Helix Gnome install properly in my nephew's computer, while on my Red Hat box, I've had way fewer problems. Seeing how Helix can have problems with Mandrake (which is hard to tell from Red Hat), imagine how difficult it must be to make their installations work under the various installations. Personally, I'd love to see these efforts have to worry less about installations.
The ONLY open source software that I run (and I've been M$ free for about a year) that gives me any trouble is stuff like Mozilla. Not so with Corel Office / StarOffice. They run fairly well, but I've gotten clobbered by both of them. Commercial apps are fine, but on Linux, open source is setting a tough standard to have to beat in the marketplace. Commercial apps have to be not just good, but demonstrably better than the open source equivalent, and that's not happening enough to validate closed application development models as being superior. I do appreciate the choice, though, and will support some closed source commercial apps with $$$. But they have to be better than an open source equivalent that I can't help improve.
Too much work in the open source community goes unappreciated ... and taken entirely for granted.
Whew...
...the final Nautilus will run as root and give everyone insecure access to the entire system, just like Windows.
That's a chilling thought.
From a technological point of view, I have to admit to a certain disappointment, however: there are a lot of nifty things they could have done with a new UI.
... and may still do. It's a little too early to write them off.
Maybe because Red Hat is open source only, and Corel doesn't really do open source, and who knows how Corel's products might be encumbered.
I'll bet you're right, and Microsoft surely is going to try to limit what is accessable. They're going to have to be careful about messing with their API's in the future, though. I'm sure they have the resources to obfuscate API's even with the DOJ watching, but it's got to become a zero-sum game at some point.
were alright. Now days, when I go into a tavern and have to sit anywhere close to one of 'em, I find myself petting pissed by the sheer volume of the things. I hate having to shout over all of the electronic clanking. I won't miss that aspect.
I can't speak about the unlimited number of mailboxes, filters, etc. (I don't get that much email), but StarOffice 5.1 does a very nice job of handling email. It's all gui, too. You can send from multiple SMTP servers, and a variety of accounts, send and recieve from any of them at any time... And, the price is certainly right.
I did something similar. My boss wanted to make data that resides on our Informix/Tru64 Unix/Alpha server available on our intranet, so I downloaded Apache and PHP, compiled 'em and had a small prototype available within a day for no cost ('cept for me), and the data's available to anyone in the agency with a browser. That sort of thing's impressive, expecially when bosses are so used to thinking in terms high cost and long delays.
MySQL is a great solution for displaying information on a web page, but I can't imagine ising it for more than that. Without transactions, it would be risky to use it for anything more. Who needs more risk?
I agree with you about the silver lining, but the papering of your co-workers cubicle with Young's rebuttal might not have served the cause so well (though I'll bet it was fun).