What policies are you trying to enforce and on who? It would probably be easier to come up with ideas for you if we knew what policies you need to enforce.
Not giving out root would be a very good start. I ask who you are enforcing these policies on because some people have mentioned users asking for sudo permissions to edit some config file or another and then using it to get root access. If these are just typical office usres with office applications I can't imagine what valid reason anyone would ever come up with for that.
Hopefully that's exactly what they are doing. But, if they are actually leaving important government docs on Google servers it's not really Google's fault. I'm sure Microsoft would love to be in that same position but if they were it wouldn't be their fault either. It's Vivek Kundra's fault for making the decision to do so, and also Obama's responsibility for chosing him.
It's one thing to have your lines burried underground. It's another thing to have them in tunnels where new lines may be run without having to tear up the road and disrupt traffic.
By my reasoning... absolute competition opened up for all possible companies would probably be too much because their resources would be spread to thin to provide the same level of service to each customer without raising the price.
I agree that an absolute monopoly with no competition at all would charge as much as the population could give and have little to no motivation to innovate. Currently we get some competition by having separate companies available for each different form of connectivity. I'm not convinced this is the ideal way to do it but I'll come back to that.
Now, looking at your examples of competition in other industries, I find your first one very interesting. No, we do not have only 1 car company. However, we really don't have that many. Much like with broadband it takes a large infrastructure to build a car. In the early to mid part of the 1900s there were hundereds of auto manufacturers just in the US alone. Most people could not own an automobile as they were much more expensive than now when adjusted for inflation. It was after the majority of them either merged or went out of business that the price of the car began to come down.
As for operating systems or stores, these are bad comparisons. A single coder with an old computer and some spare time can build a basic operating system. A group of them in an online community can make that basic OS into something which can compete. Once it's written it may be copied virtually for free. There is no backbone to pay for like there is in telecom.
Stores do have a backbone. It's the interstate highway system. It's already built and they don't have to pay for it any more than the rest of us do in our taxes.
Now, about the current form of limited competition. I wrote that I was getting back to this. Currently it's more or less by wire type; coax = cable, twisted pair & fiber = telco. I don't actually see a point in having all of this. All three can carry internet and voice while two of them can carry tv. They are not however equal. Fiber carries more than coax, coax carries more than twisted pair. The telcos seem to get this as most of them progress in replacing their twisted pair with fiber. The cable companies seem to be living in the past as they just keep running more coax. Just look at the new Docsis standard, it uses four coax lines! It is faster than the current fiber offerings but that's only because the current fiber offerings do not completely take advantage of the bandwidth capability of a piece of fiber yet. They certainly can turn up the speed and beat these new four-line cable modems with just one line of fiber! On top of that, given the average failure rate of a single line of coax, shouldn't 4 be 4 times as bad? What a waste!
I don't see the point of having anything but the fiber, except as a way to preserve the current form of limitted competition. I do agree with you that a monopoly of one telecom company would be horrible for consumers. I don't think that having them all in the same area would work as the profit / backbone cost ratio would be too low. Competition might eliminate enough companies to make it work but if it meant they had to operate with the lowest amount of profit then development could stall. How many people are going to pay more to company A which is working on tomorrows network (which isn't ready yet) when they can get the same current service from company B that isn't bothering to upgrade anything? I don't know if an agreement could be made politically to limit the number of companies while still allowing more than one in an area other than the current 1-per "wire-type" arrangement.
Ok, how urban is urban then? Urban enough to have an extensive tunnel system already in place doesn't really include that many cities. How relevant is that?
That is correct, there is plenty of room under the streets. Still, I'm not convinced it could work that way.
Most of a cable/fiber/twisted pair run is going to be shared between multiple homes. (I don't care what the DSL salesman says, they are not running individual lines all the way from an internet backbone to your house) With a monopoly the cost of this shared part of the line can be paid for with the combined profit from each home that uses it. If the homes were split up among more competing companies than each company would have fewer homes per shared part of the line with which they would have to make enough profit to pay for maintenance and upgrade. I suspect that prices would actually be higher than now, even with the competition. Of course, I don't have the numbers to test this theory.
Also, as for the under the streets thing... There are probably tunnels which can be used in most big cities but for the rest of the world moving all the cables under the streets would mean a ton of construction delays and expense. Running that many wires on poles above ground would probably get pretty ugly and while I suspect most of us "here" on Slashdot wouldn't mind if it meant faster, cheaper broadband I suspect the majority has a different set of priorities than us.
I read the one labeled "ranted about how Microsoft and Google are stealing from him". That's a pretty nice ad for Microsoft Live Image Search don't you think?
Thanks for the reply, that clears some things up a bit.
Still, the original poster was asking why he had roaming on at all. I would say that unless one is accustomed to being around a national border it is pretty reasonable to expect roaming to be on. Most plans now I think are nationwide, no charges for roaming within the US. I know if I put my phone into home-only it wouldn't work at half the places I go and yet leaving it in roaming I have never had a charge. Now, data on a foreign tower... that I haven't tried and don't really want to.
I think that in the US, for someone who is used to living near a border turning off roaming or just turning off the cellphone altogether would be a no-brainer. For the majority however I don't think this is an everyday issue that people even have to think about so I can see how someone wouldn't think twice to do what he did.
Self-determination sounds nice but unfortunately that's not how reality works.
The-empty-string's explanation that Western countries copy each other's bad laws is right on the money. Politicians reach across borders all the time to look for justifications for their bad policies.
While I certainly wouldn't pose as an Australian and try to get in a vote donating to an org which works to educate the Austrlian public about the situation and encourage their voters to get out there is just working to help us all.
I hope you're joking. No, the author didn't even make any claim that Linux is piracy. IANAL but i know there was no libel. I was only commenting that with the so much FUD and ignorance going around it would be much better if the author didn't use those two words so close together in the same sentences so much. It kind of seemed to be asking for it.
No, I'm not accusing the author of equating Linux with piracy but did anyone else notice how much the two showed up side by side in the same sentence?
I wonder if any uninformed dbs like that teacher who confiscated all his student's Linux CDs claiming they were piracy will skim over this article and leap to the wrong conclusion.
So that the next, more charismatic president could use the crisis to secure legions of blind followers while serving the same corporate interests of course!
There is roaming and then there is international. Can you disable international roaming while still being able to roam within the US? I know my phone is in roaming half the places I go but I have a nationwide plan so I don't care. Also, I wonder what part of the US/Canadian border you are near. I know there is an area of Canada near SE Michigan where most carriers let you roam for free (if you already have nationwide anyway). It's definitely not all of Canada though and I never checked to see if it applied to data or just voice.
We do have competition, there are multiple carriers.
But when they all charge so much competition doesn't work.
So.. we need someone to start a new company which specializes in selling data at reasonable prices.
To start such a company you need an FCC license.
If you have that kind of money you are probably already part of the good o'l boys club which controls things now and will just charge similar rates
Until things like FCC policies become a part of mainstream politics with the public aware plus demanding change there will be none. This will probably never happen.
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As someone who has never had a need to create anything more complicated than a resume using an office suite I ask... Care to elaborate?
Oh, and if it's about compatability with MSOffice file formats that's kind of a circular argument isn't it.
That's probably what they would do. But why isn't openoffice a better choice?
What policies are you trying to enforce and on who? It would probably be easier to come up with ideas for you if we knew what policies you need to enforce.
Not giving out root would be a very good start. I ask who you are enforcing these policies on because some people have mentioned users asking for sudo permissions to edit some config file or another and then using it to get root access. If these are just typical office usres with office applications I can't imagine what valid reason anyone would ever come up with for that.
I want to go watch SouthPark now.
"..at least Microsoft just sells software"
Hopefully that's exactly what they are doing. But, if they are actually leaving important government docs on Google servers it's not really Google's fault. I'm sure Microsoft would love to be in that same position but if they were it wouldn't be their fault either. It's Vivek Kundra's fault for making the decision to do so, and also Obama's responsibility for chosing him.
It's one thing to have your lines burried underground. It's another thing to have them in tunnels where new lines may be run without having to tear up the road and disrupt traffic.
By my reasoning... absolute competition opened up for all possible companies would probably be too much because their resources would be spread to thin to provide the same level of service to each customer without raising the price.
I agree that an absolute monopoly with no competition at all would charge as much as the population could give and have little to no motivation to innovate. Currently we get some competition by having separate companies available for each different form of connectivity. I'm not convinced this is the ideal way to do it but I'll come back to that.
Now, looking at your examples of competition in other industries, I find your first one very interesting. No, we do not have only 1 car company. However, we really don't have that many. Much like with broadband it takes a large infrastructure to build a car. In the early to mid part of the 1900s there were hundereds of auto manufacturers just in the US alone. Most people could not own an automobile as they were much more expensive than now when adjusted for inflation. It was after the majority of them either merged or went out of business that the price of the car began to come down.
As for operating systems or stores, these are bad comparisons. A single coder with an old computer and some spare time can build a basic operating system. A group of them in an online community can make that basic OS into something which can compete. Once it's written it may be copied virtually for free. There is no backbone to pay for like there is in telecom.
Stores do have a backbone. It's the interstate highway system. It's already built and they don't have to pay for it any more than the rest of us do in our taxes.
Now, about the current form of limited competition. I wrote that I was getting back to this. Currently it's more or less by wire type; coax = cable, twisted pair & fiber = telco. I don't actually see a point in having all of this. All three can carry internet and voice while two of them can carry tv. They are not however equal. Fiber carries more than coax, coax carries more than twisted pair. The telcos seem to get this as most of them progress in replacing their twisted pair with fiber. The cable companies seem to be living in the past as they just keep running more coax. Just look at the new Docsis standard, it uses four coax lines! It is faster than the current fiber offerings but that's only because the current fiber offerings do not completely take advantage of the bandwidth capability of a piece of fiber yet. They certainly can turn up the speed and beat these new four-line cable modems with just one line of fiber! On top of that, given the average failure rate of a single line of coax, shouldn't 4 be 4 times as bad? What a waste!
I don't see the point of having anything but the fiber, except as a way to preserve the current form of limitted competition. I do agree with you that a monopoly of one telecom company would be horrible for consumers. I don't think that having them all in the same area would work as the profit / backbone cost ratio would be too low. Competition might eliminate enough companies to make it work but if it meant they had to operate with the lowest amount of profit then development could stall. How many people are going to pay more to company A which is working on tomorrows network (which isn't ready yet) when they can get the same current service from company B that isn't bothering to upgrade anything? I don't know if an agreement could be made politically to limit the number of companies while still allowing more than one in an area other than the current 1-per "wire-type" arrangement.
Ok, how urban is urban then? Urban enough to have an extensive tunnel system already in place doesn't really include that many cities. How relevant is that?
That is correct, there is plenty of room under the streets. Still, I'm not convinced it could work that way.
Most of a cable/fiber/twisted pair run is going to be shared between multiple homes. (I don't care what the DSL salesman says, they are not running individual lines all the way from an internet backbone to your house) With a monopoly the cost of this shared part of the line can be paid for with the combined profit from each home that uses it. If the homes were split up among more competing companies than each company would have fewer homes per shared part of the line with which they would have to make enough profit to pay for maintenance and upgrade. I suspect that prices would actually be higher than now, even with the competition. Of course, I don't have the numbers to test this theory.
Also, as for the under the streets thing... There are probably tunnels which can be used in most big cities but for the rest of the world moving all the cables under the streets would mean a ton of construction delays and expense. Running that many wires on poles above ground would probably get pretty ugly and while I suspect most of us "here" on Slashdot wouldn't mind if it meant faster, cheaper broadband I suspect the majority has a different set of priorities than us.
I wonder how much GNU is in Android?
I read the one labeled "ranted about how Microsoft and Google are stealing from him". That's a pretty nice ad for Microsoft Live Image Search don't you think?
Thanks for the reply, that clears some things up a bit.
Still, the original poster was asking why he had roaming on at all. I would say that unless one is accustomed to being around a national border it is pretty reasonable to expect roaming to be on. Most plans now I think are nationwide, no charges for roaming within the US. I know if I put my phone into home-only it wouldn't work at half the places I go and yet leaving it in roaming I have never had a charge. Now, data on a foreign tower... that I haven't tried and don't really want to.
I think that in the US, for someone who is used to living near a border turning off roaming or just turning off the cellphone altogether would be a no-brainer. For the majority however I don't think this is an everyday issue that people even have to think about so I can see how someone wouldn't think twice to do what he did.
iJobs?
Maybe the Republicans in the US did the same with Bush. Looking at the congress... it seems to have worked yet backfired :-)
The witch is dead...
Self-determination sounds nice but unfortunately that's not how reality works.
The-empty-string's explanation that Western countries copy each other's bad laws is right on the money. Politicians reach across borders all the time to look for justifications for their bad policies.
While I certainly wouldn't pose as an Australian and try to get in a vote donating to an org which works to educate the Austrlian public about the situation and encourage their voters to get out there is just working to help us all.
What, Again?!
It's not like trendy, expensive, proprietary computers haven't made a comeback before.
I hope you're joking. No, the author didn't even make any claim that Linux is piracy. IANAL but i know there was no libel. I was only commenting that with the so much FUD and ignorance going around it would be much better if the author didn't use those two words so close together in the same sentences so much. It kind of seemed to be asking for it.
please read "dbs" in the comment above as standing for "human beings". Apparently ignorant people are still people.
http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/12/character-assasinations-aint-us.html
No, I'm not accusing the author of equating Linux with piracy but did anyone else notice how much the two showed up side by side in the same sentence?
I wonder if any uninformed dbs like that teacher who confiscated all his student's Linux CDs claiming they were piracy will skim over this article and leap to the wrong conclusion.
So that the next, more charismatic president could use the crisis to secure legions of blind followers while serving the same corporate interests of course!
I think that was mod_Obama_supporters_with_modpoints
or something like that
There is roaming and then there is international. Can you disable international roaming while still being able to roam within the US? I know my phone is in roaming half the places I go but I have a nationwide plan so I don't care. Also, I wonder what part of the US/Canadian border you are near. I know there is an area of Canada near SE Michigan where most carriers let you roam for free (if you already have nationwide anyway). It's definitely not all of Canada though and I never checked to see if it applied to data or just voice.
Well, to lower prices first you need competition.
We do have competition, there are multiple carriers.
But when they all charge so much competition doesn't work.
So.. we need someone to start a new company which specializes in selling data at reasonable prices.
To start such a company you need an FCC license.
If you have that kind of money you are probably already part of the good o'l boys club which controls things now and will just charge similar rates
Until things like FCC policies become a part of mainstream politics with the public aware plus demanding change there will be none. This will probably never happen.
Hmm... It's still US territory till you leave the continental shelf isn't it? There's soil under that water no doubt.