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Linux Foundation Purchases Linux.com

darthcamaro and several other readers have noted that the Linux Foundation has bought Linux.com from SourceForge Inc. (Slashdot's corporate parent). The Linux Foundation (employer of Linus Torvalds) will take over the editorial and community stewardship for the site; SourceForge will continue to supply advertising on it. "[Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim] Zemlin says the Linux Foundation wants to build a collaborative forum where Linux users can share ideas and get information on the Linux operating system. A beta of the site will be released in the next few months. ... Linux.com is being redesigned as a central source for Linux software, documentation and answers regardless of platforms, including server, desktop/netbook, mobile and embedded areas." What do you think should be on Linux.com?

231 comments

  1. What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How about the proper spelling of the namesake's name?

    1. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes! For the last time:
      It's GNU/LINUX TORVALDS!!!!!

    2. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Linux+Torvalds · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's wrong with how they spelled my name?

    3. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by fewnorms · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seriously, when is /. going to do something about kdawson? Crappy articles, misspellings, you name it.
      If your guys can't even get the name right of the guy who pretty much wrote Linux, it's time to make some changes in the editorial department.

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    4. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Em+Emalb · · Score: 4, Informative

      how quickly people forget jonkatz. ;-)

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    5. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by davester666 · · Score: 1

      exactly. They should be using gnulinux.com or gnu_linux.com or gnu.linux.com

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    6. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by doug · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, we only wish that we could.

    7. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wat

    8. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Paua+Fritter · · Score: 0

      Curse you, AC; that brought on a nasty coughing fit

    9. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by icebraining · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, gnu.linux.com is just a subdomain of linux.com, so there's still hope! Btw, underscores on URL are major fail.

    10. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 5, Funny

      you've been waiting years for this moment haven't you?

    11. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      For those that are relatively New Here, would you care to elaborate?

    12. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by kLaNk · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonKatz

      A past editor/contributor on /. who was basically a blowhard doofus who happened to, well, blow ... hard.

    13. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wrong. Linux is Linux is Linux... GNU is not a part of it.

      Sure, they tend to go hand in hand, but I would offer that your hand and your arm are not the same thing (though they usually go together).

      It's GNU/Linux because it's a GNU system running on/under the Linux kernel.

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    14. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think humbled is the antonym of what you're reaching for...

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    15. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by mqduck · · Score: 1

      It's called a typo. It happens sometimes.

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    16. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Raenar · · Score: 1

      Except it doesn't just happen sometimes, it happens a lot of times, embarrassingly often. kdawson is a discredit to the site.

    17. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by master5o1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      gnu-linux.com instead of gnu_linux.com (i dislike underscores in general).

      gnu.linux.com should be what it is. www.linux.com and http://linux.com/ should just redirect to gnu.linux.com

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    18. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Daengbo · · Score: 1

      I'm not a GNU/Linux kind of guy.

      [Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim] Zemlin says the Linux Foundation wants to build a collaborative forum where Linux users can share ideas and get information on the Linux operating system.

      Zemlin just torpedoed me. I've been preaching the "Linux is a kernel" and "Distributions are the operating system" platform for quite a while in order to counteract the "Does it run on my Linux?" FUD that appears oh-so-often. Now the NBMers will just counter with "But the Linux Foundation says it's an operating system!"

      I should just give up.

    19. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      Hey, stranger

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    20. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And when I actively choose to use the non-GNU versions of things it becomes..?

      If you can replace the "GNU" components without any code changes, you're not using GNU. You haven't created a "derivative work" any more than what SCO had evidence for.

    21. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kdawson is a dummy account. The Slashdot eds use it to post things that are objectionable, and that they don't want to be associated with.

      This is probably a posting from Cmdr Taco, because he always adds an editorial comment after the article quote.

    22. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes Linux is Linux and GNU is GNU but what this website will contain is GNU/Linux.

      Unless they only focus on the choice of linux kernel in the different distributions and server/desktops

    23. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by capnez · · Score: 5, Funny

      With a name like that your own moment, on the other hand, will never come, I'm afraid. :-(

    24. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Making use of GNU software doesn't inherently mean that the software system is GNU. The various BSDs make use of the GNU Compiler Collection but that doesn't mean that they run on top of the GNU system; the BSDs run their own system. A MSFT Windows system making use of Cygwin doesn't mean the system is GNU/Windows. Windows depends on its own system and it doesn't depend on GNU.

      The GNU/Linux system is a different beast. Linux runs on top of (or runs underneath) of the GNU system. Merely replacing some GNU programs for others doesn't mean the system is no longer GNU, the majority of the system is still GNU/Linux. If you get rid of the GNU system (or otherwise replace it in a significant manner), then there wouldn't be any more grounds to call it GNU/Linux. This is why embedded Linux systems that depend upon uClib and Busybox and not GNU don't need to be named GNU/Linux.

    25. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 1

      I know its a joke, But you CAN have a Linux based system without GNU, a GOOD example is Android, which uses the Linux Kernel with a custom userland.

      Yet noone insists Andoird be called Linux/Android, or Android linux.

      Use Subdomains to split sections, eg, gnu.linux.com, or android.linux.com, etc for implementation specific content.

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    26. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by specu · · Score: 1

      Unfortuantely, wihtout GNU there wouldn't be anything like GNU/Linux. Linux is the kernel `only' and it is not a whole system, it is as esential to run the system as other core components (like Shell) so let's limit the scope and call the kernel only - Linux. What would you do with kernel only? How would you compile your kernel? Under which licence it would be? Many components that form modern distributions are not a part of the Linux kernel, but they are put into on bag and called Linux, which is plain wrong. (somebody did mention about X11 and GNOME and KDE running on top of that? they are also eseential part for most of users). Because GNU/Linux is mainly component based, and not monotlitic like windows, it implies ambiguites with resolving to who we should thank (basically). That's part of the OpenSource philosophy.
      Binutils and Coreutils are essential part of every GNU/Linux distribution, there wouldn't be Shell, gcc for compiling packages, auto make packaging system if GNU didn't exist. Linux kernel is also very dependent on gcc, at least gcc is used to compile it. So, let's call it(with a little bit space) Linux kernel now, but Linux distros as GNU/Linux.

    27. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by specu · · Score: 1

      So how the binaries of Linux embeded in Android are compiled? No one calls Android Linux that's the point but call it Anroid. So why we dont call Linux just GNU as it is build on top of that (or Linux is build on top of GNU?) Thanks

    28. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always thought that Linux means Linux is not Unix.

    29. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Fri13 · · Score: 1

      Because the linux.com is now for about Linux operating system and it has nothing to do with GNU, why should users to get redirected to site what is about GNU/Linux development platform? There is no sense at all.

      Linux.com should be about Linux (the monolith kernel aka operating system) and thats it mainly. Not about other things what has nothing to do with Linux. FSF can keep their own site for their political propaganda if they want.

      Hopefully Linux.com comes clearly one place where you get facts about Linux and information center where you can find out what it is about. For open source and commercial purpose, but mainly for normal users too!

    30. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have three different things.

      Linux kernel
      GNU development tools and software applications
      Complete software systems.

      Linux kernel is the operating system.
      GNU/Linux is the development platform (OS + Devtools)
      and distributions what includes all kind software + those two, are software systems.

      Linux.com is about Linux, not about GNU. Ubuntu is about Ubuntu it is as much Linux as it is for GNU. GNU is GNU but not about Linux.

    31. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Abreu · · Score: 1

      True... I wonder what happened to that guy...?

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    32. Re: What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Penguin pr0n.

      A vision of a three-way with Plan 9's Glenda and FreeBSD's Daemon just popped into my head... and I don't know whether to shudder or grin at my own sick-mindedness.

    33. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by silent_artichoke · · Score: 1

      Katz... writing dog books. That's all I need to know.

    34. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by NeoStrider_BZK · · Score: 1

      slashdot's former brother got slashdotted?

    35. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      2020 will be the year of the UrgulbungerOS desktop... mark my words! ;)

    36. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      Show me a Linux system that is not running GNU software.

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    37. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNU is a recursive acronym standing for GNU's Not Unix. Linux is the name that Linus Torvalds adopted for the famous operating system kernel that he initiated. The original name was Freax.

    38. Re:What do you think should be on Linux.com? by ErkDemon · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Linux.com (mk 2) is an attempt to continue to build Linux as a brand with consumers, and build confidence in Linux as a reliable consumer product with decent support.

      They've identified that while the Linux community have a tendency to complain that consumers are too dumb to use their OS, the community also has a self-destructive tendency to almost go out of their way to do things that deter the general public from using it. There's a tendency to present Linux as a computer hobbyist platform, a thing with funny names and in-joke abbreviations and prefixes, that needs specialist knowledge and tinkering to get it working and maintain it, along with occult information gleaned from specialist sites, and all sorts of funny skills ("compile a distro"? WT...?).

      Windows is a brand. Apple is a brand. Linux is a geek archipelago.

      That's what the new use of Linux.com is trying to fix. It's to provide a single on-ramp for anyone interested in Linux. They go to linux.com. Sorted. The existence of the branded .com site tells them that perhaps this is a finished product, and that perhaps its aimed at People Like Them. It reassures.

      Now, if you call it gnu/linux you destroy the whole purpose of the .com project. What's GNU? Most people don't know. Most people don't care. They Don't Want To Know. They aren't computer enthusiasts, their skills and interests lie in other areas, and they just want something simple and reliable that they can install that'll let them run useful software to do the things that they actually //want// to do. They recognise the penguin, they've heard that the penguin is good, and perhaps they want to try the penguin ... And you're presenting them with some sort of cow thing. Confusion ensues. What does the cow do? Can they get the penguin without the cow? Is the penguin better than the cow? Who makes the cow? Should they be getting the cow //instead// of the penguin? Perhaps this penguin stuff isn't as simple as they thought, and they should come back again in another two to five years once all these cows and penguins have sorted themselves out and decided who's the winner.

      At this point they've already lost their initial gleam of enthusiasm and are in a descending spiral of uncertainty and doubt. The G in Gnu stands for Gnu. It's an acronym for Gnu Is Not Unix. But without the "I". So now they're worried that they need to know //why// GNU isn't UNIX. And they don't want to learn about unix or the history of mainframe computing, they just want to use office apps and play MP3s and transfer the photos off their camera. They want something easy that does its job and gets out of the way, //without// them having to take a course in operating system history.

      If the linux community aren't smart enough to realise that the consumer mass market consists of people who really don't give a damn about operating systems as long as the things work, then perhaps linux still isn't quite ready for the mass consumer desktop.

      But the Linux.com initiative is a very, very good sign. It suggests that there are some people out there in LinuxLand who actually understand the task ahead, and have a good idea how to set about achieving it. If you really want Linux to have a chance of displacing MS on everybody's desktops, then this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that needs to be done.

      Well done to those involved.

  2. Linus Torvalds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He'd be pissed to be called "Linux".

  3. howtoforge.org does that just fine by lordsilence · · Score: 5, Informative

    Howtoforge.org has fulfilled that role for a long time which Linux.com aims to do now.

    1. Re:howtoforge.org does that just fine by dotancohen · · Score: 2, Funny

      What do you think should be on Linux.com?

      Porn.

      Just like the rest of the internet.

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  4. Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What do you think should be on Linux.com?

    Why didn't Sourceforge Inc. ask us this before they sold the site? Then they'd actually be able to follow-through on the answers.

    1. Re:Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like websites are a static thing, that can't be changed on a whim...

    2. Re:Ummm by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Um... Slashdot and Linux.com were owned by the same company... now they're not.. a little late to ask about content on a site after it's sold!

  5. Uhh, I don't know... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux?

  6. Articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone else miss the articles they used to post at Linux.com?

    I hope the Linux Foundation brings back the articles. Right now it's just a glorified forum

    1. Re:Articles by rhyder128k · · Score: 1

      The articles themselves are still there by direct reference. I wonder how long that content will remain though? I for one hope that they start commissioning articles again as they took a couple of mine. In general, the magazine style article content at Linux.com had something of a following. The snag is that they either have to pay for content or solicit for unpaid and hope for the best.

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  7. Linus kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux Torvalds? The guy that made the Linus kernel?

    1. Re:Linus kernel by kensan · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, officially it's "Linus 2.6.29-rc4" see http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/2/8/129 ;)

    2. Re:Linus kernel by rhyder128k · · Score: 1

      I was there at the beginning and remember the announcement. "My wife and I don't expect him to be a big professional programmer like Richard Stallman, at first. He's not even able to stand alone yet."

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    3. Re:Linus kernel by mqduck · · Score: 1

      Torvalds should totally change his name to Linux.

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    4. Re:Linus kernel by noppy · · Score: 1

      Wait, I'm confused. So Linux runs the Linus kernel for the Linus who wrote the Linux kernel?

    5. Re:Linus kernel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You see! RMS was wrong, it is not GNU/Linux, it is GNU/Linus!!!

      (actually it should be RMS/Linus. Then it would be more like HTTP/WWW!)

  8. LinuxAppStore by godglike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The one-stop, easy-install, multi-distro place for all your linux software needs.

    1. Re:LinuxAppStore by youngdev · · Score: 0

      Someone please Mod Parent up. This is almost the best Idea I have ever heard . So simple and yet so genius. I have been trying to think about how to do just this with Gentoo's portage as the app profile engine for governing the install preferences.

    2. Re:LinuxAppStore by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 5, Interesting

      What about a hardware store? showing off and linking to the latest Linux hardware deployments and Linux supported hardware?

      Also:
      *news & articles (like the old linux.com, not just newsvac) covering the kernel, server & desktop developments
      *NOT a major forum (there are plenty another just spreads the chance of you coming across somebody knowledgeable enough to fix your problem thinner)
      *PERHAPS: A wiki (that is mainly based around merging the less distro specific stuff from gentoo,arch & other wikis)
      *A parody of getthefacts that just plain laughs at microsoft.

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    3. Re:LinuxAppStore by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The one-stop, easy-install, multi-distro place for all your linux software needs.

      Actually not a bad idea. It could also be handy to list all current distros and be a starting point for stuff for different people wanting to participate in the Linux experience, with starting points for end users, developers and managers.

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    4. Re:LinuxAppStore by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's one good idea.

      So, an App section, a Knowledge Base, a What-is-Linux? section, a News section, a forum, hmm. I don't know whether it would be worthwhile to reproduce or relocate the information from kernel.org, kernelnewbies.org, and/or distrowatch.com, but it seems like all of those websites have sprung up because linux.com was being used for other purposes.

      I'd want all of those websites to be conglomerated into one source, but I don't know what problems that could present.

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    5. Re:LinuxAppStore by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 1

      I don't think the ideas get better than this one. Anything I'm looking for, I can find with a Google search, or I can guess at an obvious domain name. Linux.com is as obvious as domain names get. If someone goes to that domain, I think they would expect to have such a place as the parent post describes.

      Someone boost the score of the parent post to 5, please!

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    6. Re:LinuxAppStore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like your idea, but I believe there are many good sites out there that do that just fine. On the other hand, having some sort of "links" directory with a review system of the different sites covering different GNU/Linux aspects would work wonderfully and sites owners will kill for a place on that directory.
      I would really love if they implemented a search engine where ALL Windows craps gets blacklisted. I just hate having to write "linux wifi config" why not just "wifi config"

    7. Re:LinuxAppStore by mcbutterbuns · · Score: 5, Funny

      LinuxAppStore Grand Opening!

      All apps 100% off!*

      *(for an unlimited time only)

    8. Re:LinuxAppStore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      www.distrowatch.com

    9. Re:LinuxAppStore by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      Hope Linus is taking note of this entire tread, too many too good ideas :)

    10. Re:LinuxAppStore by Draek · · Score: 1

      So, something like Autopackage only "borrowing" the name from Apple's marketing dept? No, thanks.

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    11. Re:LinuxAppStore by master5o1 · · Score: 1

      repo.linux.com/dist/*

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    12. Re:LinuxAppStore by MoreDruid · · Score: 1

      isn't this already somewhat covered by distrowatch.com?

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    13. Re:LinuxAppStore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. I whould have the freedom to write a non gratis application for linux.

    14. Re:LinuxAppStore by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      A hardware store? So that they'll compete against Dell and Best Buy and MicroCenter and CDW and every other sales group of hardware? Screw that. I'd rather see Linux hardware reviews. Graphics cards, processors, micro-controllers, displays, and specialized user interface devices (think touchscreens and Wiimotes). Then, extort^H^H^H^H^H^H^H allow advertisers to link to their own sales page to drive sales to their storefronts.

      If I could logon and read a review about how I could buy XYZ device with my Linux desktop, I'd be apt to click on "Buy Here" links at the various vendors.

      And reviews could be driven by readers and vetted by staff of the site. Lord knows there are countless individuals doing interesting things with hardware that supports Linux and they'd be willing to share their experiences. It's just that proofreading and providing an editors attention to detail is often needed to increase the understandability of what they've written.

      Re: Forum (you're correct)

      Re: Wiki (you're not correct. I'd rather see articles written and published that serves as references posted to the real Wikipedia. Linux is sufficiently important enough that encyclopedic information on it doesn't need it's own special playground. Plus, I don't want yet-another-site-login for editing technology content information.)

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    15. Re:LinuxAppStore by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      isn't this already somewhat covered by distrowatch.com?

      I must admit I didn't know the existence of that site, and I'll guess that I am not the only one. While people already familiar with Linux might know of that site, I expect most people without much knowledge of Linux will head off to Linux.com or Linux.org first. If both sites could be made to work with each other, then it would be a plus to Linux.

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    16. Re:LinuxAppStore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      text.linux.com for Links and Lynx users!

    17. Re:LinuxAppStore by Walkingshark · · Score: 1

      First you need to come up with a way to distribute "linux" versions of software that work on any flavor/distro and install as easily as software does in windows.

      I use Ubuntu on my laptop and generally its fine, but it drives me crazy having to jump through a bunch of hoops to install, say, openoffice 3. On my windows machine, I just download the installer, run it, click next a lot, and I'm done. In ubuntu... not nearly that straightforward. One of the reasons linux isn't ready for the desktop.

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    18. Re:LinuxAppStore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am going to shamelessly going to use this.

  9. Sounds like... by XaviorPenguin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...they want to do something like Windows.com and showcase all what Linux can do and be installed on and overall, share a wealth of information for all to enjoy.

    It would be neat to see all of this and I can't wait to see what it will be like in the months to come.

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    1. Re:Sounds like... by indi0144 · · Score: 1

      Sorry but this have to be said. Such site would demand a very nice GUI, I know we all like that old feeling of the likes that Emacs and VI but average joe that goes to the site will just shiver. Seriously, the day Linux comunity start to care about interface, not as in compiz-overcare, more people would feel attracted.

      Remember that you fight on the consumer level, for them to feel secure about Linux they are conditioned to look after Corporate Image. Sorry, it's the way it works.

    2. Re:Sounds like... by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      What exactly makes Windows.com better than Ubuntu.com (other than a plethora of propaganda videos from the former)? There's a perfectly good "corporate image" for both of them. And I don't recall ever seeing a Linux website with an emacs UI, but I could be wrong.

  10. Yes! by quixote9 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A centralized source of Linux info would be GREAT! Especially if it had a search function that pointed you to a good complete answer to inexpertly phrased questions. Right now, pointing newbies at Google is one of the big linux turnoffs for them.

    1. Re:Yes! by larry+bagina · · Score: 5, Insightful

      using google is worse than no information. Many guides and howtos are years out of date. (Google gives a higher page rank to older pages)

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    2. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      linuxquestions.org is actually pretty good, it would be nice though to have a wiki like the old gentoo wiki, except not relying on a single guy (however awesome of a job he did) and one day losing the entire database. :/

    3. Re:Yes! by Jurily · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A centralized source of Linux info would be GREAT! Especially if it had a search function that pointed you to a good complete answer to inexpertly phrased questions. Right now, pointing newbies at Google is one of the big linux turnoffs for them.

      You cannot get more centralized than Google. And it also has a search function! Also, maybe there is no "good complete answer" that will work for everyone.

      The main reason it's a turnoff is "Google it you moron" vs. "Have a look at http://www.google.com/search?q=nvidia+direct+rendering+slackware and see if someone already solved it". See the difference?

    4. Re:Yes! by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Agreed. A well-written and easily-used "standard" linux documentation for a lot of distros would be very, very excellent. And targeted, distinctly targeted, to the beginner. "linux.com" is going to be what very beginning beginner linux users are going to type in, right, not advanced computer users. Centralized and standardized Linux help would be great.

    5. Re:Yes! by Ronald+Dumsfeld · · Score: 1

      A search function... yes, but it has to be very good. Would Google perhaps donate one of their search 'appliances' rather than insist everything go in their great database?

      Linux.com has to be really good to serve any sort of evangelising purpose, and search will be critical to that.

      You, tangentially, touch on another major issue with any computer related stuff - poorly phrased questions. Pose them to a search engine? You get squat. Pose them to a discussion area? Someone will probably ask you a bunch of questions back to work out what the problem is, and be able to provide a solution.

      The latter requires more effort on someone's part, so may be the less-travelled road. The accumulation of poor questions, and volunteers working to resolve the issues causing them, should eventually help on the search side.

      So, I'd want to see Linux.com with the right foundations to evolve into an indispensable site. I do not believe it can start as such.

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      There's supposed to be an Earth-shattering Kaboom.
    6. Re:Yes! by Haley's+Comet · · Score: 1
      There are a lot of threads in forums specific to one flavor of Linux or another that should be read OS wide... Maybe there will be a function to import from say, Ubuntu or Slackware or PCLinuxOS forums so that the great info could be found by all.

      It would be nice to have forums dedicated to certain software that had a good chance of large public use and the dev's reading it... You know, for usability purposes. The dev's could get a real feel for the pulse of the user base. If enough "how do I do X or Y function" get asked, maybe the next release of that software could make it loads easier to do X or Y. Also, great help files could be written almost directly from the forums. Just a thought.

      I think it's a great thing, what has transpired. Maybe now the kernel might get some more general interaction between the dev's and the day-to-day users. Maybe this might make a better channel for communication than just mailing lists?

      Actually, isn't all that what http://www.linuxquestions.org/ is for? They could just as easily post a link to LinuxQuestions.org as a forum and leave the main site as an info only/release site. That might get LinuxQuestions.org some more general attention (and possible affection) as it is not distribution centric. Also, that would allow the main site to remain at least that much smaller and more manageable. Why double efforts if it isn't needed?

      Right now, pointing newbies at Google is one of the big linux turnoffs for them.

      They DO need to learn that "The only stupid question is one that you could easily answer yourself." I have said that for 20 years or so. Google and forum searches should be their first thought. Understanding the results comes after asking better questions. I myself still need help from time to time, but instead of asking what I call stupid questions, I go to a search function. Only after such do I ask a better, more informed question if needed. You could, in your answer, post that you found the result on google.com or a forum search by searching for what they asked. Don't just tell them to search, show them that they can! After all, are we not the admin of our own computers? Yes, just telling them to RTFM is the worst idea. Instead, tell them how to find TFM and that you are there to help them understand what they found. If they found nothing, there might not be a FM, then help them anyway.

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    7. Re:Yes! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People who know the hardware in their computer, the specific distro they run, and what the problem is related to don't need the help. Well, they do, but they might already be serviced by Google.

      You need to give the help to the people who ask, "hey, last week the doohickey worked with the internets thing, but now the button doesn't go anywhere and the doohickey disappeared!" That's a substantially harder problem, and if you could solve it you'd have one-up on Microsoft and Apple.

    8. Re:Yes! by Rutulian · · Score: 1

      The reason why that will be hard is because each distro has a slightly different way of doing things (different menu structure, different shortcuts, different config utilities, etc). You would have to have separate instructions and screenshots for each distro. The only way to be (mostly) distro-agnostic is to use the CLI. That is why most help forums don't bother with GUIs, but it is distinctly not beginner user friendly.

    9. Re:Yes! by Jurily · · Score: 1

      You need to give the help to the people who ask, "hey, last week the doohickey worked with the internets thing, but now the button doesn't go anywhere and the doohickey disappeared!" That's a substantially harder problem, and if you could solve it you'd have one-up on Microsoft and Apple.

      Yes, it's called the Cupholder Problem, and it's been haunting tech support workers for decades.

      How exactly do you plan to help someone who can't even tell you what distro they run? The only thing you can do with them is to point them to the Smart Questions Howto and some generic information collecting howtos so they can choose the right place to look for help. Maybe something like this, too.

    10. Re:Yes! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      The third paragraph of the Smart Questions How-To calls its readers idiots. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more unfriendly article.

    11. Re:Yes! by Jurily · · Score: 1

      The third paragraph of the Smart Questions How-To calls its readers idiots. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more unfriendly article.

      I think you misread something. Read further:

      If you're reading this document because you need help, and you walk away with the impression you can get it directly from the authors of this document, you are one of the idiots in question. Don't ask us questions. We'll just ignore you. We are here to show you how to get help from people who actually know about the software or hardware you're dealing with, but 99.9% of the time that will not be us.

    12. Re:Yes! by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Its a shame the "best source for information" keeps dying and being replaced, a good wiki is all thats needed. Hell play about with mediawiki and you could probably put up one wikipage with tabs to display distro specific details underneath a generic guide to the software.

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    13. Re:Yes! by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      Are you arguing that that's friendly and polite?

    14. Re:Yes! by PReDiToR · · Score: 1

      LetMeGoogleThatForYou FTW!

      Some people just need a little more of a clue about computers in general before they start attempting the things that they come into help channels asking about. You must have come across them, the kind of person that wants to run before they can walk; install a fully working LAMP server before they know how to use a CLI. Some people need talking to rudely, some people just need a nudge in the right direction. If you don't know which you are, then you should probably wonder why people are talking to you a certain way.

      As a (modestly) power user I sometimes get talked to like I'm a newbie, but I understand that this is because the best advice when dealing with help/advice is to treat everyone like they know nothing because you might overlook something obvious otherwise.

      The catb page on smart questions should be part of the curriculum in our schools. Raise a generation of people who actually think about their problems before they start bothering people with their FAQs.

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    15. Re:Yes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As somebody who just compiled his first kernel I'd very much like a good source on the kernel configuration parameters! I think everybody should compile their own, it was fun and not too hard at all. Make use of the hardware you've bought!

    16. Re:Yes! by Fred_A · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I suppose that the idea is to get newcomers used to getting called idiots early on.

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    17. Re:Yes! by e-Flex · · Score: 1

      http://tldp.org/ is this sufficient enough?

    18. Re:Yes! by hviniciusg · · Score: 1

      Well, next time you could point them to http://www.google.com/linux, maybe they get a better chance on finding what they are looking for

  11. Make it beginner friendly by Xs1t0ry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most of us experienced users know where to find good help and info so I think they should make linux.com primarily a site for beginners. It would include a broad overview, tutorials, howtos, information about distros and a lot of zealous pro-linux content to spread the love. linux.com is the obvious domain name for someone looking to learn about linux. Notice I say primarily for beginners and not totally. It should of course contain more detailed information.

    1. Re:Make it beginner friendly by recharged95 · · Score: 1
      You're looking at the same paradigm as:

      www.javasoft.com (aka java.sun.com) www.java.com

    2. Re:Make it beginner friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spread the love, you mean like on a dating site? So we can meet hot blond supermodel girls in bikinis that play video games, love fat geeks, and are Linux freaks?
      Ah, nevermind, I need to change my undergarments...

    3. Re:Make it beginner friendly by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I think they should make linux.com primarily a site for beginners.

      The problem is that beginners need to ask questions; if you have a site for beginners, there won't be many or any people to give good answers.

      It's sort of "a self taught man has a very ignorant teacher" 2.0 - scaled up for crowdsourcing.

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    4. Re:Make it beginner friendly by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually I was thinking even more new user friendly.
      1. A section on what is Linux.
      2. A list of Distros and who they are recommended for.
      3. Instructions on how to burn a CD/DVD.
      4. Maybe a store where you can for a small price BUY Linux CDs, DVDs, and Swag.
      5. Links to companies that sell computers with Linux preinstalled.
      6. Links to "Linux approved" hardware. Stuff that has been tested and is known to work.

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  12. Redirect to lwn.net by kill-1 · · Score: 1

    ...and forget the advertising bits.

  13. That's fine and all by Daimanta · · Score: 5, Funny

    but does it run Linux?

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    1. Re:That's fine and all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope.

      nmap -sS -O -v linux.com
      Starting nmap V. 4.76 ( www.insecure.org/nmap )
      Host linux.com. (140.211.167.55) appears to be up ... good.
      Initiating SYN Stealth Scan against linux.com. (140.211.167.55)

      PORT STATE SERVICE
      80/tcp open http
      3389/tcp open msrdp

      Remote OS guesses: Windows Me or Windows 2000 RC1 through final release, Windows Millenium Edition v4.90.3000
      TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments
                                                              Difficulty=6798 (Worthy challenge)
      IPID Sequence Generation: Incremental
      Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 2 seconds

    2. Re:That's fine and all by InfiniteLoopCounter · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is probably running Linux and not a Windows Server. Really, now. Why would linux.com not run Linux servers?

      When I tried the command the parent posted output for, I get something quite different.

      nmap -sS -O -v linux.com

      Starting Nmap 4.62 ( http://nmap.org/ )
      Initiating Ping Scan at 11:03
      Scanning 140.211.167.55 [2 ports]
      Completed Ping Scan at 11:03, 0.25s elapsed (1 total hosts)
      Initiating Parallel DNS resolution of 1 host. at 11:03
      Completed Parallel DNS resolution of 1 host. at 11:03, 0.73s elapsed
      Initiating SYN Stealth Scan at 11:03
      Scanning fossology.org (140.211.167.55) [1715 ports]
      Discovered open port 80/tcp on 140.211.167.55
      Discovered open port 443/tcp on 140.211.167.55
      Discovered open port 22/tcp on 140.211.167.55
      SYN Stealth Scan Timing: About 42.88% done; ETC: 11:04 (0:00:40 remaining)
      Completed SYN Stealth Scan at 11:04, 77.09s elapsed (1715 total ports)
      Initiating OS detection (try #1) against fossology.org (140.211.167.55)
      Retrying OS detection (try #2) against fossology.org (140.211.167.55)
      Host fossology.org (140.211.167.55) appears to be up ... good.
      Interesting ports on fossology.org (140.211.167.55):
      Not shown: 1712 filtered ports
      PORT STATE SERVICE
      22/tcp open ssh
      80/tcp open http
      443/tcp open https
      Warning: OSScan results may be unreliable because we could not find at least 1 open and 1 closed port
      Device type: general purpose|WAP|switch|storage-misc|print server|remote management|broadband router
      Running (JUST GUESSING) : FreeBSD 6.X (91%), Linux 2.6.X (86%), Actiontec Linux 2.4.X (85%), HP embedded (85%), Linksys embedded (85%), Netgear embedded (85%), Buffalo embedded (85%)
      Aggressive OS guesses: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE (91%), Linux 2.6.24 (Debian) (86%), HP Brocade 4100 switch; or Actiontec MI-424-WR, Linksys WRVS4400N, or Netgear WNR834B wireless broadband router (85%), Buffalo TeraStation NAS device (85%), HP 4200 PSA (Print Server Appliance) model J4117A (85%), HP Onboard Administrator management console (85%), HP Brocade 4Gb SAN switch (85%), Linksys WRV200 wireless broadband router (85%), Linksys WAP54G WAP (85%), Linksys WRT300N wireless broadband router (85%)
      No exact OS matches for host (test conditions non-ideal).

      Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 87.182 seconds
                            Raw packets sent: 5216 (233.304KB) | Rcvd: 39 (2500B)

    3. Re:That's fine and all by pseudonomous · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Great, now their servers are going to go down becuase everyone's scanning their ports.

    4. Re:That's fine and all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't run linux, but it does run ON linux.

  14. A redirect by apankrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A redirect to .org seems to be an appropriate option.

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    1. Re:A redirect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, linux.com just doesn't fit.

    2. Re:A redirect by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Not to linux.org, I hope. It would need a major overhaul first.
      My use of Linux was delayed many months thanks to that site.

    3. Re:A redirect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux needs have divisions to handle the many sectors of its spread through the electronics world. It needs a spokesperson (changed every few days/weeks/years?) to tell the world whats going on in the Linux Universe!

      Linux.com - Suits and Lawyers!
            a company that handles all the Business ends of Linux. Things like Promoting, Supporting other parts off www.linux.???, legal needs. A Gateway to the other sites?

      Linux.org - Development only
            Linus's playground with his many friends(devs.)
            (Linus's orgy!) sorry...I'll be good now.

      Linux.net - A giant worldwide ISP!
            Identical divisions/farms based in as many countries as possible. Also a network of techs to help with applying Linux in any manner needed.

      Linux.info - What is Linux
            what is Linux and how can it help you? New users starting page. (newbie is a derogatory term; stop using it!)

      Linux.biz - Hardware Store
            Linux hardware/software stuff. Things that can be purchased or free. Note: Linux is free but codecs and hardware is not.

      Linux.mobi - Embedded Linux
            Apps and things to add to your Mobi device.

      Linux.pro - Professionals
            - that donate time to the cause.

      Linux.name - Names and Faces
            Names and Faces of any persons that help
            with Linux in any substantial way.
            eg: linus.torvalds.linux.name

    4. Re:A redirect by Frank+T.+Lofaro+Jr. · · Score: 1

      Note: Linux is free but codecs and hardware is not.

      But good grammar is priceless!

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  15. Linux Torvalds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot Malda should really fix the typos on his site.

  16. Slashdot by RichardJenkins · · Score: 0

    What do you think should be on Linux.com?

    A mirror of Slashdot. Because nothing will help Linux adoption than seeing a bunch of raving geeks talk about the RIAA.

    Why d'ya have to go and sell it?

  17. Role of linux.com? by jgurling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know for a fact, but I'd guess that a number of visitors will be people who have heard of "that linux thing" and punched in www.linux.com to find out more. While I think it's great that Ubuntu is great for having critical mass and gaining mainstream momentum, I also think it's in everyone's interest to explain, in simple terms, that Linux != Ubuntu, and that Linux is, in a manner of speaking, a whole lot more than Ubuntu.

    1. Re:Role of linux.com? by maiki · · Score: 1

      ...Linux is, in a manner of speaking, a whole lot more than Ubuntu

      To be certain, Linux is also a whole lot less than Ubuntu, given that it's just the kernel.

    2. Re:Role of linux.com? by jgurling · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...Linux is, in a manner of speaking, a whole lot more than Ubuntu

      To be certain, Linux is also a whole lot less than Ubuntu, given that it's just the kernel.

      That why I say "in a manner of speaking". Of course the kernel is less, when taken in isolation. But Ubuntu is "just" a desktop/notebook/server OS, an example of the Linux kernel at work. Linux on the other hand can be seen where Ubuntu is not, and provides for a much greater outreach than Ubuntu alone.

      And for what it's worth, I use Ubuntu as my primary OS and would consider myself a fan.

    3. Re:Role of linux.com? by maiki · · Score: 1

      And that is why I say it "is also a whole lot less" (emphasis added)

      Sorry I wasn't being confrontational or anything. I just like pointing out when two opposite statements can truthfully be used for the same thing. Linux < Ubuntu, and at the same time, Ubuntu > Linux.

      Cheers!

    4. Re:Role of linux.com? by Abreu · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think the linux=ubuntu mindset is cyclical... not too long ago, it used to be linux=redhat

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  18. Shouldn't that be linux.ORG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kids, when I was your age, .com was for commercial businesses, and no self-respecting FOSS projects would be seen using one. Even for-profit blogs that cover FOSS would use the non-profit TLD, .org.

    1. Re:Shouldn't that be linux.ORG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .org is not and never has solely for non-profit organizations. It is for any sort of organization, no matter the type or legal structure.

      The concept of it as 'non-profit' was spread from misinformed 'journalists' and shoddy Internet-for-dummies style guides in the mid-90's.

  19. Here's to some serious improvement! by red_blue_yellow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With such an obvious name, linux.com is where many newbs go first. The forums were not that great to begin with, and in the last few weeks they even lost all formatting, including newlines. I'm glad to see that such an important domain name will be put to good use now.

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    1. Re:Here's to some serious improvement! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      With such an obvious name, linux.com is where many newbs go first.

      The days when people typed "whatever.com" into their address bar are over (and have been for a while now). Today they type "whatever" into google.

    2. Re:Here's to some serious improvement! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I agree, good forums are a "must". I'd also like to see different distros getting their own little corners and niches to foster more inter-distro competition and cooperation (IE: debian.linux.com). It would be a good place to consolidate developer blogs - if possible this would include hardware developers like intel and nvidia their own little sub-channels.

    3. Re:Here's to some serious improvement! by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Topping the list? linux.org (followed by ubuntu.com and Linux's Wikipedia entry)

    4. Re:Here's to some serious improvement! by Yfrwlf · · Score: 1

      Probably since typing in whatever.com often just gets you some stupid site that's not really what you wanted. Sadly, sometimes this too happens with Google searches.

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  20. A "face" for Linux. by JustinOpinion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What do you think should be on Linux.com?

    One thing I would like is for it to be a clear and professional page that invites and excites people to learn more about Linux.

    What I mean is this: Right now if you google "Linux", the first hit is linux.org. That site has some good info, and even has an explanatory paragraph about what Linux is... but (how to put this nicely?) it doesn't look professional. It doesn't scream "this is a sophisticated and powerful (yet user-friendly) system supported by (and supporting) billion-dollar industries." Instead the impression a first-time visitor will get is that Linux is arcane, old-fashioned, and disorganized.

    The fact is that when any of us talk to others about Linux (whether as a home desktop or for business-use), the person will go and search "Linux" and end up being confused. So I would like "linux.com" to have a really carefully designed frontpage, that explains what Linux is, looks very professional (maybe with tie-ins to big-name companies to make the suits feel more comfortable), and helps people get what they need (links to downloads, FAQ, community sites, all that good stuff...).

    The Ubuntu homepage is pretty good in this regard. I'm sure I'm not alone in having switched over the last few years from telling people to "read more about Linux" to telling them to "read up on Ubuntu". It's just easier to pick a distro for them (they can always change when they learn more), and Ubuntu has put a nice "face" on the Linux ecosystem. Their homepage doesn't overload you with info, and provides clear links to downloads, community, etc.

    So while I hope linux.com becomes many things to many people (and has all the news and content that we geeks want), I hope they take this opportunity to make the mainpage a useful portal for people who want to learn more about Linux. (Since it will be an obvious place for a newbie to first look.)

    1. Re:A "face" for Linux. by danomac · · Score: 0, Troll

      It doesn't scream "this is a sophisticated and powerful (yet user-friendly) system supported by (and supporting) billion-dollar industries." Instead the impression a first-time visitor will get is that Linux is arcane, old-fashioned, and disorganized.

      So you mean it should be riddled with flash objects and <blink> tags? Then it'll be annoying AND old-fashioned. ;)

    2. Re:A "face" for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the first hit is linux.org [linux.org]. That site has some good info, and even has an explanatory paragraph about what Linux is... but (how to put this nicely?) it doesn't look professional. It doesn't scream "this is a sophisticated and powerful (yet user-friendly) system supported by (and supporting) billion-dollar industries." Instead the impression a first-time visitor will get is that Linux is arcane, old-fashioned, and disorganized.

      Visiting http://linux.org/ is worse.
      It tells you you're a retard and should get off the Internet.
      Seriously.

      In most peoples minds, there's no difference between http://foo.bar/ and http://www.foo.bar/ , as 99% of the sites out there serve the same content or redirect to the right with a 301.

      What linux.org does is just fucking petty and arrogant.
      Much like most Linux advocates.

    3. Re:A "face" for Linux. by CannonballHead · · Score: 1

      Instead the impression a first-time visitor will get is that Linux is arcane, old-fashioned, and disorganized.

      I know this will sound like a troll post... but, Linux IS disorganized. Arcane and old-fashioned, no, but disorganized, yes. There are tons of distros. Those distros have very different organizational structures even (deb vs. rpm, to name one). Even something as simple as dvd playback and sound is sometimes hard. Last evening, in fact, I spent an hour trying to get Amarok 2, kscd, and Kaffeine to work.

      • Amarok 2 was fine, but kscd and Kaffeine wouldn't work. If I had used Amarok 2 that session, Kaffeine had no sound.
      • kscd wouldn't open, period. Turns out kscd was already open, somewhere in the background, due to KDE 4.2 session management
      • gstreamer was the culprit, I guess, for the Amarok-2-stealing-my-sound, since I was able (with some amount of difficulty) to switch to a xine backend for phonon.
      • DVD playback worked after I installed Packman's libxine codecs, except that it could not decrypt the DVD (which, incidentally, was a Hogan's Heroes collection from the library).

      Where to begin. Let's see. Disorganized was my critical remark - there we, I think, too many options for the sound backend which is why it didn't work. Xine didn't work right off the bat with Amarok 2. Gstreamer was fine, except that it didn't work well with multiple applications, for whatever reason. Now, my question is - how in the world would a normal user know how to fix this? He should not even have to know that such things as "phonon" and "xine" and "gstreamer" exist. Sound should be taken care of in the background; at worst, installing a DRIVER for the soundcard, but having to work with backends (xine, gstreamer, etc.) to a backend (phonon) for applications is a bit much.

      And the DVD playback thing, I still don't know how to correct that. At least I'm able to get it to see that it is a DVD - before this, DVD playback was simply disabled (see opensuse.org page).

      Old fashioned, arcane? No. Disorganized? Yes.

      Documentation of a LOT of different problems (has to be distro-specific though, as they are so different and *ahem* organized differently...) would help a LOT of users, I think.

    4. Re:A "face" for Linux. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh my CHRIST! You're right, I didn't even believe it.

      The text, when you visit http://linux.org/ reads:

      Incorrect Site

      For comprehensive information about Linux please visit our proper site, www.linux.org.

      Please update your bookmarks and any links you may have to this old site.

      What it should read is something along the lines of:

      Duuuh

      Despite Linux's popularity, this site is run by people who aren't smart enough to point linux.org and www.linux.org to the same page. (It apparently worked in the past, but we broke it.)

      Please update your bookmarks and any links you may have to this old site, because we pointlessly and broke all our own links when we broke our own site and probably slaughtered our own pagerank in the process.

      I agree wholeheartedly with the parent. It's amazing that a site like this still exists in 2009... heck I'd much rather see http://linux.org/ just 404 or time-out then give you this crap. "Proper site!" Unbelievable.

    5. Re:A "face" for Linux. by blackest_k · · Score: 1

      I like that linux.com for commercial ventures, linux.org for individuals, I know thats a blury line but perhaps it is two different area's to address. Linux in the commercial environment has a different focus to what individuals want from their linux systems.

      Corporate Linux solutions for 100's of desktops and servers is a bit different from the usual newbs cry of my wifi won't work...

      So yes commercial applications and solutions with Linux for the .com org for the rest of us who use linux because we want to.

      appropriate really even linux.edu deals with linux in education who'da thought

           

    6. Re:A "face" for Linux. by plasticsquirrel · · Score: 1

      Linux.org hasn't even had a new site design in the last 10 years. I remember going to that site probably around 1997 or 1998 when I was first trying out Linux, and seeing it exactly as it looks today (old-looking, plain, disorganized). It has that boring 90's beige box sort of a look and feel to it that's an immediate turn-off.

      Linux has always deserved more enticing and more helpful sites than linux.org and linux.com.

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    7. Re:A "face" for Linux. by mqduck · · Score: 1

      It tells you you're a retard and should get off the Internet.
      Seriously.

      ....where?

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    8. Re:A "face" for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What linux.org does is just fucking petty and arrogant.
      Much like most Linux advocates.

      It's plain incompetent, much like their idea of usability. Subdomains were never meant to indicate the protocol, that's what the protocol is for. OK, you can be ignorant and arrogant at the same time, that pretty much defines the old school Linux attitude. It has started to change, but oh so slowly.

    9. Re:A "face" for Linux. by lumvn · · Score: 1

      I was looking for someone to take "troll" to task, in addressing this situation that I'm sure many linux users have encountered. I know I have had similar experiences. I think the comparison that would need to be made is that linux is a powerful *platform*, not an office suite where you have one of each type of application picked out for you. You need to know which tools written for it work best. And that is the job of the distribution, not linux. Maybe linux.com should press this point.

    10. Re:A "face" for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A few months ago' there was an interesting discussion with the webmaster of linux.org, spurred by a blog that, like the parent, was questioning the effectiveness of the website and even its real motivations given that at the time casino and pills adds were used to support linux most prominent (in terms of google ranking) website...

      http://agolb.blogspot.com/2006/09/is-linuxorg-hurting-linux.html

      http://agolb.blogspot.com/2006/09/is-linuxorg-hurting-linux-part-2.html

    11. Re:A "face" for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DVD playback worked after I installed Packman's libxine codecs, except that it could not decrypt the DVD

      You need the 'libdvdcss' package to decrpyt DVDs.

    12. Re:A "face" for Linux. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  21. linux.com needs some direction by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Linux.com was one of the very first sites I used to frequent on a daily basis. But I quickly lost interest as I found the site ugly and Slashdot together with other sites did a better job.

    I hope the new owners can put some serious work into the site.

    By the way, Slashdot too needs some love. Details like number of comments submitted to date are missing or are deliberately hidden from non subscribers like me! Heck, we need to know all sorts of statistics. I appreciate the need for cash but I thought that's why we began to see ads especially among comments at Slashdot.org.

  22. How much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Doesn't the submission title say "purchase"?

  23. mod parent up to +5 by unity100 · · Score: 1

    you know its a good idea

  24. Better question... by broken_chaos · · Score: 1

    But does it run Linus?

  25. It's about 10 years too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever useful purpose that site may have once been able to serve has been squandered by SourceForge/VA attempting to use it as nothing more than a revenue stream. The best thing to do with it now is to redirect it to one of the many actual useful sites that already exist.

    Just the fact that SourceForge is going to "continue to serve ads" tells you all you need to know about this. It's another colossal waste.

    1. Re:It's about 10 years too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur.

  26. My list by microbee · · Score: 4, Funny

    1. monthly debate on the best Linux distro
    2. monthly debate on binary kernel modules, proprietary software and GPL, plus ridiculing RML's mustache
    3. quarterly email exchanges between Linus Torvalds and other users with the latter calling the former former arrogant bastard and the former calling the latter "a bunch of wanking monkeys"
    4. weekly discussion on how Windows sucks and bookkeeping on the number of chairs thrown out of Redmond buildings
    5. monthly whining about how slow Debian development is
    6. bi-annually mention of Hurd and that it's going to be ready "soon"

    1. Re:My list by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You're a 'tard. What about vi vs emacs?

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    2. Re:My list by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 1

      We've moved on to KDevelop vs Eclipse. Don't even get me started about those Code::Blocks posers.

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    3. Re:My list by pseudonomous · · Score: 1

      I thought that was what slashdot was for?

    4. Re:My list by PReDiToR · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, the vi/ema*coughshitchough*cs battle has been replaced by KDE/Gno*coughshitchough*me argument.

      Even more so, KDE has two camps, those that run a full featured desktop suite with a rich experience for the users with everything they will ever need, and those fools that use 4.x.

      See? =)

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  27. Those who dont learn from history... by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So why did Sourceforge let Linux.com go essentially dead at the turn of the year?

    All I ask for is the clear, thorough (mostly), and timely writing that was the hallmark of the articles that were on the front page of the old Linux.com.

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    1. Re:Those who dont learn from history... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why did Sourceforge let Linux.com go essentially dead at the turn of the year?

      Perhaps they were losing money? Perhaps the talks to sell it were already in progress at that time?

    2. Re:Those who dont learn from history... by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > So why did Sourceforge let Linux.com go essentially dead at the turn of the year?

      Lack of money, most likely.

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  28. Advertising by Hatta · · Score: 4, Funny

    "The Linux Foundation (employer of Linux Torvalds) will take over the editorial and community stewardship for the site; Sourceforge will continue to supply advertising on it."

    Good, I was worried they would run out.

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  29. Why did Sourceforge have it in the first place? by Rix · · Score: 1

    Doesn't Linus own the Linux trademark? This seems like a fairly cut and dry trademark squatting case.

    1. Re:Why did Sourceforge have it in the first place? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trademarks are industry and country specific. Owning the Trademark to "Linux" doesn't mean that you immediately get Linux.com, although it would help your court case.

    2. Re:Why did Sourceforge have it in the first place? by retchdog · · Score: 2, Informative

      They most likely had already a free sub-license for the trademark: http://www.linuxmark.org/

      Revoking a nominally perpetual license, in order to take over someone's website, would be rather questionable...

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  30. I have an idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A site containing nothing but republished Microsoft's "get the facts" stuff would be an epic Aprils fools.

    I'd like to see a beta of the site before I make any serious suggestions.

  31. WHat about cost ? by Delifisek · · Score: 1

    If my memory correct. Some one buy that domain for 5 million dollar at .com craze...

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    1. Re:WHat about cost ? by silent_artichoke · · Score: 1

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      Your English is better than most other people's English, so please don't worry about it. Thank you.

  32. Wow, just wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took until 2009 to make this move. Maybe in 2015 the site will be working as it should.

  33. Jakeroberts by jakeroberts · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about no more Microsoft advertisements. I understand its a money thing but you wouldn't take money from a crack dealer would you?

    1. Re:Jakeroberts by jakeroberts · · Score: 1

      your just jealous because they actually have money. linfux is for cheap bitches with no cash. but who cares lnux is soon going under! slashdick will soon be gone!! hey kdawson! go find a job flipping burgers, fucking asshole.

      Couldn't figure out how to use it, could ya?

  34. Does anybody ever visit "linux.com"? by sqldr · · Score: 1

    I mean, honestly, my general daily haunts are slashdot, the register, BBC news, and failblog, and occasionally b3ta.

    If I want to learn about linux, then I go to slashdot. That said, if I'm a total linux kernel developer geek, then perhaps I do need to see a daily news update on what patches got accepted and rejected, but somehow, I expect the whole site to be dedicated to boring shit like "linux gets used in some school somewhere", or "some country installs linux box somewhere in the basement of some government office".

    I hope it didn't cost too much, because they're not going to get many visitors..

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    1. Re:Does anybody ever visit "linux.com"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, for marketing purposes, Linux.com is much easier for non-linux people to remember and use than the alternative which would be something along the lines of "opensourcesoftwarewhichmeansitsfreeforpeopletouse.com." Or if the names of various consumer linux programs are any sign of things to come, the new Linux website would have a name equally vague and confusing as Gimp or Gaim. Something like "Gafoofa."

    2. Re:Does anybody ever visit "linux.com"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I want to learn about linux, then I go to slashdot.

      uhhhh... yeah.

      As a new user my instinct would to be type in www.linux.com. But maybe i am just being stupid and will just visit the chat board called slahsdot. Think about it.

      because they're not going to get many visitors.
      You are generalizing what YOU would do to the actions of others.

    3. Re:Does anybody ever visit "linux.com"? by kitezh · · Score: 1

      Actually, it used to be NewsForge up until a few years ago when it redirected to linux.com. It was one of the sites I'd visit daily for news and useful editorials. I didn't even know they had forums until the end of the 2008 when they stopped posting new articles and instead defaulted to the forum page.

    4. Re:Does anybody ever visit "linux.com"? by mcubed · · Score: 1

      Well, I did, for one. Actually, I subscribed to the Linux.com feed and would regularly read the articles that interested me. There were a pretty fair number, usually focused on a particular topic, like round-ups of audio tagging tools available for Linux or vim tips or an introduction to services and run levels. I have a number of these types of Linux.com articles bookmarked and some I refer to still.

      It was definitely haphazard and catch-as-catch-can, but I feel I got a reasonable amount of useful information from it. I tended to skip past the articles about this or that school or company switching to Linux. Not being a developer or programmer, I didn't read the more technical articles about kernel development and whatnot. I agree that I tend to rely more on sites like Slashdot and Ars Technica Open-Ended for Linux and OSS news stories. For me, Linux.com was good for tutorials and tips and ideas about things that aren't necessarily all that complicated but that I probably wouldn't have known about otherwise, certainly not stuff that Slashdot or other news sites provide.

      Michael

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    5. Re:Does anybody ever visit "linux.com"? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Gesundheit.

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  35. Let 'er rip by NotBorg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What do you think should be on Linux.com?

    If they really want the community to decide then they should just make it a blank Wiki and let it go with the only restriction being that content be related to Linux.

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  36. games by doti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What do you think should be on Linux.com?

    Linux games.

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    1. Re:games by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 0

      Linux games.

      All 12 of them?

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    2. Re:games by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

      We have Nethack. There is no need for anything else.

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  37. 2009 should finally be the year... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...for linux.com on the desktop!

  38. Linux.com by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    needs BitTorrents of various Linux distros. That way we can download Linux better.

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  39. Welcome to linux.com by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Funny

    Welcome to Linux.com!

    You can do anything with Linux, anything at all!

    1. Re:Welcome to linux.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:Welcome to linux.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best comment so far ;)

      Captcha: Indecent

  40. Porn! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    , because its the intertubes.

  41. articles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The articles from the way the site was, needs to continue. The subjects of the articles were very interesting.

  42. domain not sold.. was given. by nsanders · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article never said it was sold and I know that it wasn't. It was given by Sourceforge to the LF. But hey, this is slashdot and headlines almost always are incorrect :-)

    1. Re:domain not sold.. was given. by cenc · · Score: 1

      Does anyone have the full terms of this agreement? How long, do they own it, borrow it, control it in anyway?

    2. Re:domain not sold.. was given. by BL08N0883N · · Score: 1

      I can't pretend to know the terms of the agreement, but you are correct - it was not sold, it was given. That part of the article was completely fabricated.

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    3. Re:domain not sold.. was given. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Oh wow, a Sourceforge employee!

      Say, doesn't it strike you as mildly amusing that of all the companies to screw up an article about, Slashdot managed to get a summary about its own parent company completely wrong?

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    4. Re:domain not sold.. was given. by BL08N0883N · · Score: 1

      I find that most of the news on Slashdot comes from the commentary, don't you?

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  43. Check this out, your wish is granted by zogger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You just need to use the correct search engine "wifi config"

  44. Porn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet needs more porn.

  45. Let's sell linux.com... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's sell linux.com for sixtynine trizillion dollar and buy microsoft.. we will figure out the rest later.

  46. Not another Linux forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Another place for collaboration. Let me guess, we will be able to setup blogs and wiki's too. One thing that really irritates me is the amount of repetitive stuff on the net on each subject.

    If, and I have to highlight if, this is to be successful, they must continually ensure that what they are teaching/preaching/whatever, is at least current. I don't know how many times I've went to blogs/wikis/whatever to find out how to do something on Linux to find out that it for was an app version now 4 years old and the options don't work anymore.

    They must also stay away from flavor lockins or it will surely suck like every other site of its kind.

    That being said, I'll wait to see what they are really planning. I best it's Linus's attempt to rule the world. ;)

  47. What would you like to see on linux.com? by pseudonomous · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see a slightly dorky personal web-page for Linus Torvalds. But that's probably just me.

  48. How much did they pay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I seem to remember VA Linux paying over a million bucks for it originally.

  49. Email! by Rgb465 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Email addresses, of course. I'd pay for a @linux.com email address...1gb storage, SSH access to mutt/pine/emacs, IMAP/POP, decent webmail package... yeah, I would definitely pay for that. Premium for good service. :)

    1. Re:Email! by Any+Web+Loco · · Score: 1

      Likewise. I'd also love to see a dynamic DNS service - eg cowboyneal.linux.com

  50. Park it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $$$

  51. +1 Informative by Rix · · Score: 1

    Thank you.

  52. Idiotproofing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to answer to OP's question,
    I would like to see a noobfriendly environment with guides and linux tutorials that are written in something else than Plaintext.
    Useful information on how to contribute to the Linux documentation.

    If linux want to have a larger marketshare, then the community will have to accept that the number of Idiots that can't read the manual will increase.

    1. Re:Idiotproofing by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      I would like to see a noobfriendly environment with guides and linux tutorials that are written in something else than Plaintext.

      Because when your machine is borked, what you really need is a video tutorial. Not plaintext. Plaintext isn't fun any more. We want dancing girls !

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  53. Not built yet? by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

    A beta of the site will be released in the next few months.

    Surely this transition of ownership has been negotiated for some time now?
    They can plan and build a website long before they own the domain. Why didn't they?

  54. Re:Welcome Linux Overlords by alexborges · · Score: 0, Troll

    Hey hey, this is no troll.

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  55. hard core homosexual dwarf porn??? by evanism · · Score: 1

    hard core homosexual dwarf porn??? isn't that what the domain suggests?

    Gads! I think we should put Linux stuff on it.

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  56. it needs a one-click autoloader... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You wanna the mass-converts? Make loading a nice multimedia-heavy distro a one-click effort. I know that'll annoy some, but it's the only road to Broadway.

  57. Yeah? Cool! by flameproof · · Score: 1

    Boxed Ubuntu sets on the shelves at Walmart by this summer? OEMs-a-plenty? Hey, at least someone is finally making excellent games we can finally buy! I mean, how much longer are we going to have to word-of-mouth this OS before it finally has a life (as in: IRL) of it's own?

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  58. Porn? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I vote for 2 girls 1 cup...

  59. Python by hitchhacker · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now can we please acquire (NSFW): python.com and redirect it to (SFW): python.org?

    -metric

    1. Re:Python by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      Hey, thanks!

      I'm more a Ruby guy, but I must admit that python.com might make me consider switching!

  60. google.com/linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anybody know about http://google.com/linux ?

  61. Alternate user-land by DrYak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And when I actively choose to use the non-GNU versions of things it becomes..?

    Busybox and uClib running above the Linux kernel.
    A very popular combination in the embed world.

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  62. Make it the dot between Linux and com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yea, that phrase was already overused but the concept of a site that cares of Linux compatibility with common hardware is important.

    The point is: since Linux.com attracts lots of people, if it pushed only the use/purchase of compatible hardware (think about Vista only laptops or obscure driverless gadgets) that would make a difference to the eye of the corporate world.

  63. Pretty cool! by japetto_bootsnakes · · Score: 1

    Now I actually might have a reason to visit that site.

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  64. Re: Linux is Linux is Linux... GNU is not a part.. by morgauo · · Score: 1

    I wonder how much GNU is in Android?

  65. Really? by noundi · · Score: 1

    [Linux Foundation Executive Director Jim] Zemlin says the Linux Foundation wants to build a collaborative forum where Linux users can share ideas and get information on the Linux operating system.

    Great, but do we really need a new linux forum?

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    1. Re:Really? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      Whats with all these HTTP forums? Somebody make a NNTP backend for the major CMSes so we can synch 'em already.

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  66. Brand recognition by starfishsystems · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Linux brand has enormous leverage. We should make the most of it.

    The best function that linux.com could serve is as a portal into Linux resources and the entire Linux community. But it has to be organized in such a way as to make Linux adoption as easy and painless as possible. There's no conflict between that and all the other capabilities we might like the site to have.

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  67. As long as its written in Silverlight... by No-Cool-Nickname · · Score: 0

    It will be GREAT!

  68. Whereis VisualStudio/Linux when we neeed it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can run Iexplorer in VisualStudio/Linux Wine. I then run Bochs to boot mach GNU/HURD so I can post on Slashdot and so GCC can compile those nasty cancers they're known for.

    DEUUUUUUUUUUUTSH!

  69. Their contact email is broken as well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification

    Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:

            feedback@linux.org

    Technical details of permanent failure:

    Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the recipient domain. We recommend contacting the other email provider for further information about the cause of this error. The error that the other server returned was: 550 550 5.7.1 ... Host xxxxxxxx listed in Access DB. See http://www.invlogic.com/mail/access.html (state 14).

        ----- Original message -----

    1. Re:Their contact email is broken as well. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. The contact email is fine, but Gmail has been blacklisted by linux.org's mail provider as a spam host.

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    2. Re:Their contact email is broken as well. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      That still counts as "broken." The reason why it's broken isn't relevant to the status of "broken".

    3. Re:Their contact email is broken as well. by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      No, that definitely doesn't count as broken. That means that Gmail permitted too many spammers to abuse their network, and was blacklisted as a result. Nothing broken about that, except Google not taking a hard enough stance with spammers.

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    4. Re:Their contact email is broken as well. by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      And I suppose the fact that Gmail works with *every other website on earth* means that all those millions of websites are broken when Linux.org is the only correct website? Or do you live on some weird parallel planet where this is not true?

      In any case, at the moment it's a usability nightmare. The error message at the very least could say something useful in plain English. Of course, this just goes to show that nobody in open source gives a shit about usability, so when you think about it maybe it's a good introduction to the site.