You're right, it wouldn't work for a PLaystation. On the otherhand, Sony offers a Linux package that comes with a keyboard that works with the Playstation, no modchips necessary. I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to to protect their ability to violate copyright law and make excuses for why their particular violation is not really illegal.
This is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard concering the use of P2P and there are a number of dumb arguments to go around. If you own the CD why don't you encode the music yourself? You get the bitrate you want, the file format you want and you can encode the music from the CD you want. To answer your question though, no, it is not legal to download the music even if you own the CD. The only right you have is to encode the disc yourself for your own personal use, which you should have done in the first place.
...in the Air Force we shredded documents on a regular basis. The shredder basically turned the paper into a fine powder. We had to put the resulting powder into black bags "for fear of information being weened from unathorized viewing of the dust through the clear bags the shredded used". I always thought the computer required to piece these documents together would be enormous and would take centuries to simply match one letter from one document. The thousands of documents shredded at one time would take thousands lifetimes and by then the information would be beyond useless.
I'm glad that Linus Torvalds, esq. cleared that whole issue up. What's that you say? Linus is not a lawyer? You mean his comments are really no more insightful as the rest of the armchair lawyers on/.? I gotta run. I have to cancel the lawsuit I planned after reading all those comments on/.
...is not whether designers can use the app, it all depends on the pritners. The biggest road block for the acceptance of InDesign is not Quark, it it stubborn printers (I don't mean the device we stick on our desktops near the compputer, I mean the people who handle large print jobs on sheetfed presses and the like) who will not upgrade their systems to accept InDesign files. They are far too comfortable with Quark regardless of how Quark is holding up the design industry from making the switch to InDesign, a superior page layout app compared to Quark, much less SCribus. If Adobe is having trouble getting printers to support InDesign, these guys will have an even tougher time getting them to support Scribus especially if no designers really use the app and nag their service bureaus and printers.
"...and there's almost no compatibility between Quark and InDesign."
Actually InDesign 2.0 does a decent job of importing Quark 4 and 5 documents with relative ease. I've had to run many tests to see how much work it would take to convert a number of older Quark documents over to InDesign and I have to say I'm rather impressed it did as well as it did. Sure, there will be come clean up necessary should we have to get at these files in an emergency but most cleaning up is relatively minor for someone who knows what they are doing.
Then you haven't tried InDesign 2.0. Version 1.0 was a nice proof of concept and they got things somewhat right with version 1.5 ut when 2.0 came out, many in the publishing world stood up and took notice. I know of at least half a dozen major publishing houses that have dropped or are in the process of dropping Quark and replacing it with InDesign. Simply put, InDesign 2.0 kicks ass.
Were the creators of Tom and Jerry sued by Disney? How about Mighty Mouse? Speedy Gonzales? I don't think so. The idea of a cartoon mouse is not something that can be protected by copyright. The expression of the cartoon mouse embodied by Mickey Mouse can ba, and is, protected vehemetly by Disney.
The US Constitution, Article I, Section 8: "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
Copyright does not protect an idea. This is a very common misconception by those who frequent Slashdot and it is further misconstrued by the morons who submit news and those who fail to properly and reasonably edit submissions. Copyright law protects the expression of an idea, that is all. Once an idea is fixed in a tangible medium (and yes, electronic format used by computers is considered a tangible medium) it is protected by copyright law. The key to understanding how copyright works is this very important point. If you fail to understand the concept of the expression then any further meaningful discussion is useless.
Not only that but "mob rule" is a bad way to run a country. If these people truly had a legitimate argument against intellectual property AND a reasonable solution that works for all parties involved they might find they get further with the government than expected.
"Yes, Pantone colors could be converted to CMYK, and then used -- but that would be painful, and any program releasing such color standards would be illegal."
Oddly enogh you couldn't be more wrong. Well, not wrong but yoru process will yield poor results. Many Pantone colors do not have direct CMYK values. Look at the solid to process color guide from Pantone to see what I mean. Many times your colors will shift visibly, others not so much.
"...copyright laws are intended to protect creators, not publishers."
Copyright law is supposed to protect the holder of the copyright, whether that be th eoriginal creator, RIAA member companies or the publisher.
"The "work for hire" fiasco is partly responsible for getting the music industry into its present abominable state,..."
Ummm...no? Musicians are not work for hire simply because the RIAA member companies pay them advances on future royalties. You might be correct when you say "you can practically see the hands sticking up the backs of the dancing meat puppets", but this is a very subjective comment. I'd say the current state of the music industry is due more to the fickle nature of the market. The RIAA member companies are simply giving their market what they want.
Who needs 'em. I'm still using my Burton Woody and loving it. I have no interest in the new freestyle trick boards, I just want to do straight alpine boarding, no frills. I've thought about getting a Burton Fish but this is the first year they have a large enough one available for me.
I think you've been watching too much "Law and Order". WOuld you care to link to articles and court cases where this phenomnom is being examined a bit more closely?
Actually it is you who is naive. I've been to Africa and many of the tribes there are still techncically nomadic though many of them merely kill the land around their village by over-grazing then move 100 yards away to rebuild their village once more. It was not until recently that a few of them began supplementing their diet of meat, milk and blood with a very limited selection of squash and a couple other vegetables. THey still don't have very good agricultural skills and it's not getting any better. The failure stems from their inability to drop the cultural link to being nomadic and learn to settle and become an agricultural society.
I'm sorry but you can't honestly sit there and with a straight face tell me the economic downturn is solely reponsible for the lower sales of albums. While I'm sure this is some, if not most of the , reason for the lackluster sales, Napster and its ilk have definitely had an impact on how, what and if people purchase albums.
"I am sorry, but I simply fail to see the fundamental difference between the two."
The difference between the two is for the library to have more than one copy of Harry Potter available to loan out they must purchase them. For one to offer digital copies they need only right-click the ebook file and select copy, no extra purchases necessary. Since duplication is a violation of intellectual property law the latter is illegal. The fundamental differenc being that if the library oly has five copies of Harry Potter then only five kids will be able to check out the book at any given time.
I think you need to go reread the ruling on that case. Alice Randall was eventually allowed to sell her book, The Wind Done Gone, because it was ruled to be a parody. I believe this was the result of an appeal overturning the original ruling that you unwittingly believe to be the final ruling.
Scientists wonce thought the world was flat and that the universe revolved around the earth. I'm not asying a perpetual motion device is possible given our current understanding of the universe and level of technology but to casually dismiss something and claim it is impossible simply because you want to agree with the status quo is not a wise thing to do. Someone like Kepler will come along and force you to rethink your entire world.
Submarines, airplanes and rockets were all thought to be impossible at one time too. Guess someone proved them wrong huh? Never claim something is impossible for it is the surest way to mark yourself as a fool.
"Forget the "windows" metaphor, forget "icons" and clicking with the mouse - really start from first principals."
Why do people always suggest we dump the WIMP metaphor as if it's some insightful, intellegent suggestion? Do you not realize that not only would the GUI have to change, the hardware would too. WIMP developed from the use of the mouse and keyboard, not the other way around. We don't need a revolition in the way the GUI functions using the mouse and keyboard, we need a revolution in the way information is stored, processed and retrieved so the user has to do as little as possible to recall their data. Why should I remember the tree hierarchy of the last three projects I worked on? Why can't I easily assign an e-mail to a current illustration I'm working on so the next time I recall the project I not only see the illustratrion, I have easy access to the e-mail that describes the specs or changes to the project? I could go on and on but the point is we need to change the way the computer interacts with us, not the way we interact with the computer.
"Really good designers design what people want and are humble about it."
No, account managers give the client what they want. Designers try to give the client what they need to effectively communicate the message. Sometimes the two don't mix, particularly if you work with a client who feels the need to be creative themselves and art direct the piece. Designers are brought on as consultants, amongst other things, not pixel monkeys paid to make "kewl" photoshop effects. We understand color, pacing and composition in ways the average person can't, though they "get it" when the message is effectively communicated.
(Sorry if this comes over a bit strong. I don't really mean this as an attack on you personally, it's just one of my pet peeves.)
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You're right, it wouldn't work for a PLaystation. On the otherhand, Sony offers a Linux package that comes with a keyboard that works with the Playstation, no modchips necessary. I'm always amazed at the lengths people will go to to protect their ability to violate copyright law and make excuses for why their particular violation is not really illegal.
This is one of the dumbest arguments I've heard concering the use of P2P and there are a number of dumb arguments to go around. If you own the CD why don't you encode the music yourself? You get the bitrate you want, the file format you want and you can encode the music from the CD you want. To answer your question though, no, it is not legal to download the music even if you own the CD. The only right you have is to encode the disc yourself for your own personal use, which you should have done in the first place.
...in the Air Force we shredded documents on a regular basis. The shredder basically turned the paper into a fine powder. We had to put the resulting powder into black bags "for fear of information being weened from unathorized viewing of the dust through the clear bags the shredded used". I always thought the computer required to piece these documents together would be enormous and would take centuries to simply match one letter from one document. The thousands of documents shredded at one time would take thousands lifetimes and by then the information would be beyond useless.
I'm glad that Linus Torvalds, esq. cleared that whole issue up. What's that you say? Linus is not a lawyer? You mean his comments are really no more insightful as the rest of the armchair lawyers on /.? I gotta run. I have to cancel the lawsuit I planned after reading all those comments on /.
...is not whether designers can use the app, it all depends on the pritners. The biggest road block for the acceptance of InDesign is not Quark, it it stubborn printers (I don't mean the device we stick on our desktops near the compputer, I mean the people who handle large print jobs on sheetfed presses and the like) who will not upgrade their systems to accept InDesign files. They are far too comfortable with Quark regardless of how Quark is holding up the design industry from making the switch to InDesign, a superior page layout app compared to Quark, much less SCribus. If Adobe is having trouble getting printers to support InDesign, these guys will have an even tougher time getting them to support Scribus especially if no designers really use the app and nag their service bureaus and printers.
"...and there's almost no compatibility between Quark and InDesign."
Actually InDesign 2.0 does a decent job of importing Quark 4 and 5 documents with relative ease. I've had to run many tests to see how much work it would take to convert a number of older Quark documents over to InDesign and I have to say I'm rather impressed it did as well as it did. Sure, there will be come clean up necessary should we have to get at these files in an emergency but most cleaning up is relatively minor for someone who knows what they are doing.
"IMHO, ID is still in beta."
Then you haven't tried InDesign 2.0. Version 1.0 was a nice proof of concept and they got things somewhat right with version 1.5 ut when 2.0 came out, many in the publishing world stood up and took notice. I know of at least half a dozen major publishing houses that have dropped or are in the process of dropping Quark and replacing it with InDesign. Simply put, InDesign 2.0 kicks ass.
Were the creators of Tom and Jerry sued by Disney? How about Mighty Mouse? Speedy Gonzales? I don't think so. The idea of a cartoon mouse is not something that can be protected by copyright. The expression of the cartoon mouse embodied by Mickey Mouse can ba, and is, protected vehemetly by Disney.
"What US laws mention anything about "IP"?"
Just to name a couple:
The US Constitution, Article I, Section 8:
"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;"
17 USC
"Since when is an idea your property?"
Copyright does not protect an idea. This is a very common misconception by those who frequent Slashdot and it is further misconstrued by the morons who submit news and those who fail to properly and reasonably edit submissions. Copyright law protects the expression of an idea, that is all. Once an idea is fixed in a tangible medium (and yes, electronic format used by computers is considered a tangible medium) it is protected by copyright law. The key to understanding how copyright works is this very important point. If you fail to understand the concept of the expression then any further meaningful discussion is useless.
Not only that but "mob rule" is a bad way to run a country. If these people truly had a legitimate argument against intellectual property AND a reasonable solution that works for all parties involved they might find they get further with the government than expected.
"Yes, Pantone colors could be converted to CMYK, and then used -- but that would be painful, and any program releasing such color standards would be illegal."
Oddly enogh you couldn't be more wrong. Well, not wrong but yoru process will yield poor results. Many Pantone colors do not have direct CMYK values. Look at the solid to process color guide from Pantone to see what I mean. Many times your colors will shift visibly, others not so much.
"Grad Student's Work Reveals National Infrastructure"
Oh my god, we have a national infrastructure? Quick, kill it. Get rid of it. Will somebody please think of the children?
"Grad Student's Work Reveals National Infrastructure"
It took a student earning their PhD to discover this? Should I be worried about the status of the University educational system?
"...copyright laws are intended to protect creators, not publishers."
Copyright law is supposed to protect the holder of the copyright, whether that be th eoriginal creator, RIAA member companies or the publisher.
"The "work for hire" fiasco is partly responsible for getting the music industry into its present abominable state,..."
Ummm...no? Musicians are not work for hire simply because the RIAA member companies pay them advances on future royalties. You might be correct when you say "you can practically see the hands sticking up the backs of the dancing meat puppets", but this is a very subjective comment. I'd say the current state of the music industry is due more to the fickle nature of the market. The RIAA member companies are simply giving their market what they want.
Who needs 'em. I'm still using my Burton Woody and loving it. I have no interest in the new freestyle trick boards, I just want to do straight alpine boarding, no frills. I've thought about getting a Burton Fish but this is the first year they have a large enough one available for me.
I think you've been watching too much "Law and Order". WOuld you care to link to articles and court cases where this phenomnom is being examined a bit more closely?
Actually it is you who is naive. I've been to Africa and many of the tribes there are still techncically nomadic though many of them merely kill the land around their village by over-grazing then move 100 yards away to rebuild their village once more. It was not until recently that a few of them began supplementing their diet of meat, milk and blood with a very limited selection of squash and a couple other vegetables. THey still don't have very good agricultural skills and it's not getting any better. The failure stems from their inability to drop the cultural link to being nomadic and learn to settle and become an agricultural society.
I'm sorry but you can't honestly sit there and with a straight face tell me the economic downturn is solely reponsible for the lower sales of albums. While I'm sure this is some, if not most of the , reason for the lackluster sales, Napster and its ilk have definitely had an impact on how, what and if people purchase albums.
"I am sorry, but I simply fail to see the fundamental difference between the two."
The difference between the two is for the library to have more than one copy of Harry Potter available to loan out they must purchase them. For one to offer digital copies they need only right-click the ebook file and select copy, no extra purchases necessary. Since duplication is a violation of intellectual property law the latter is illegal. The fundamental differenc being that if the library oly has five copies of Harry Potter then only five kids will be able to check out the book at any given time.
I think you need to go reread the ruling on that case. Alice Randall was eventually allowed to sell her book, The Wind Done Gone, because it was ruled to be a parody. I believe this was the result of an appeal overturning the original ruling that you unwittingly believe to be the final ruling.
I meant opernicus not Kepler. What the hell was I thinking?
"we'd have to rethink /all/ we know of science."
Scientists wonce thought the world was flat and that the universe revolved around the earth. I'm not asying a perpetual motion device is possible given our current understanding of the universe and level of technology but to casually dismiss something and claim it is impossible simply because you want to agree with the status quo is not a wise thing to do. Someone like Kepler will come along and force you to rethink your entire world.
"Perpetual motion is proven impossible."
Submarines, airplanes and rockets were all thought to be impossible at one time too. Guess someone proved them wrong huh? Never claim something is impossible for it is the surest way to mark yourself as a fool.
"Forget the "windows" metaphor, forget "icons" and clicking with the mouse - really start from first principals."
Why do people always suggest we dump the WIMP metaphor as if it's some insightful, intellegent suggestion? Do you not realize that not only would the GUI have to change, the hardware would too. WIMP developed from the use of the mouse and keyboard, not the other way around. We don't need a revolition in the way the GUI functions using the mouse and keyboard, we need a revolution in the way information is stored, processed and retrieved so the user has to do as little as possible to recall their data. Why should I remember the tree hierarchy of the last three projects I worked on? Why can't I easily assign an e-mail to a current illustration I'm working on so the next time I recall the project I not only see the illustratrion, I have easy access to the e-mail that describes the specs or changes to the project? I could go on and on but the point is we need to change the way the computer interacts with us, not the way we interact with the computer.
"Really good designers design what people want and are humble about it."
No, account managers give the client what they want. Designers try to give the client what they need to effectively communicate the message. Sometimes the two don't mix, particularly if you work with a client who feels the need to be creative themselves and art direct the piece. Designers are brought on as consultants, amongst other things, not pixel monkeys paid to make "kewl" photoshop effects. We understand color, pacing and composition in ways the average person can't, though they "get it" when the message is effectively communicated.
(Sorry if this comes over a bit strong. I don't really mean this as an attack on you personally, it's just one of my pet peeves.)
And GNU/Shasldot is owned by a GNU/Linux supported company. I guess that measn the GNU/Slashdot spin and your GNU/opinions are just as worthless then.