Moderators should be REQUIRED to read up on the article. Having read several articles about the circumstances of this case I can only conclude that THIS TIME they where most definitely justified to take in that guy. Yes, even if it turns out he was innocent. READ ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE before posting, please. My first knee-jerk reaction to the headline, when I first saw it (somewhere else), was the same as here, but the full facts changed MY mind.
If the 13-year-old commits murder, are the parents liable? Are the parents liable for any of the kid's law-breaking actions?
How's downloading illegal music any different?
...when their child commits murder? There are plenty of cases in the US and the UK available to research. Unless you hand your kid the gun, or don't leave YOUR gun lying around (applies to the US mostly), only the child ends up in (a special, depending on age) court. Then of course, in the US there are plenty examples where a 12 year old is tried as an adult, but that still leaves out the parents.
As for your second question, of course! If they are directly responsible. You cannot send your child to commit a crime thinking YOU won't be punished.
Your 3rd question, you DO know that even in the US civil and criminal law are two very different things?
So, to sum it up, are you just trolling because you immediately dislike something you hear, and are too lazy to invoke some more modern parts of your brain instead of just the knee-jerk reaction part?
Is it troll-time? I'm sorry, but how else should I react to this question, which does not take anyone more than a second to reply to:
- How long do trash collectors train for their job? And...
-...how much do trash collectors pay for their training?
- If a trash collector forgets a trash can, how many people die? In the case of the pilot a lot of people are gone *immediately*, ye know, with just a single mishap.
Personally, I'm a private pilot, I would NEVER make this my profession - so much more money to make in IT, and working hours as a pilot are pretty bad mostly. Don't forget that entry level pay is much less than those stats show - that's the MEDIAN (not even average).
"The median annual wage of commercial pilots was $67,500 in May 2010. Among commercial pilots, the lowest 10 percent earned less than $34,860 and the top 10 percent earned more than $119,650."
For such an important job this pay is RIDICULOUSLY LOW.
In that case I still keep my "Nuts!" comment, but no longer point it at your comment, but at the patent law. And you have my sympathies - I think I like MY job even more now...
I don't believe in that patent stuff at all anyway - I'm German, after all, and the way we got to where we are was through COPYING (British machines). I would be a hypocrite to defend patents now, just because now WE have the machines and somebody else copies them. The whole world is nuts.
You are not saying much. If a file a patent, do *I* have to file proof, or does *THE PTO* have to prove me wrong, and if they can't/don't they have to award the patent?
THAT is what you said - it is not quite clear, since it is a reply to a reply - so I would just like you to confirm.
PS: Is slashdot so d$%&n slow for others too? Not just today, even loading the homepage takes 5-10 seconds, each time.
You lack something called "insight" and "empathy", OR you are the only person who does not know that for MANY Americans joining the military is their ONLY chance to get a good education and a chance to a reasonable life. Sure, it's THEIR fault that they joined, they could have done what I did and get a great university education (free in my case, Germany - I did live in the US for more than 7 yrs too) to earn lots of money (IT, programming). If they did not do that, it MUST be THEIR FAULT. Yeah, right.
Excuse me, when you file a patent you have to prove THAT YOU HAVE A CASE (for getting a new patent awarded). You describe it the other way around, we (the PTO, whoever) have to prove that it's not a valid patent, with a default of "award it"???
Nuts! (Sorry, but that's how I describe this reversal or who has to prove what).
I've been reading slashdot at least once a day for the last few days, and I see this story for the first time.
But regardless - I would like to amend your "Can ppl stop..." to also stop claiming the story is a repost but NOT GIVE A LINK to the story of which this is supposed to be a repost? It's the equivalent of footnotes to back up claims, and it's what the Web (HTML) was actually MADE FOR.
An Indian friend of mine (with degrees from Stanford and from the Univ. of Chicago, so one could say a well educated person) pointed out to me that Indians hadn't won anything in some major sports event for decades (don't remember what it was, or if he was talking about all of them at once), and that Indians are usually much smaller than people in the West. We were talking about eating habits, but only a few sentences, nothing major (I would not do that, because I could not care less if YOU kill YOURSELF slowly (by not eating enough meat, haha:) ).
I must say those Asians are pretty short too, the majority.
Sure, SOME of that money may be such bribes (not directly, of course, but it goes to businesses owned by.. exactly.)
HOWEVER, very often a LOT of money is given with the condition that it is spent on money and/or services of the GIVING country. The Germany gave hundreds of millions to Greece - who bought German military hardware. Where do you think Pakistan and Egypt buy from? Military and other.
So, as usual, such simple explanations fail. If you don't give the money, you hurt YOUR OWN economy. And don't say that if it isn't given in the first place, but used directly in YOUR economy, you would be better off. Unfortunately ( I guess) that's not how the system works. Do you think the US is a really capitalist country? With most of ALL the nations money going to the military? To protect the US (from Mexico, Canada and another attack of Japan on Pearl Harbor)? They would not have all the problems they fight abroad if they would not have that army in the first place. It all benefits juts a few people controlling those industries that benefit from those kinds of flows of money. This is RISK FEE money flow, compared to doing risky and expensive research for REAL innovation - mostly because you can easily convince gullible humans (all of them) they need weapons, compared to anything else, which is because we really DON'T need much else but a house, food, and friends. In comparison, investments in medical research, the only other thing people are always willing to pay for (indirectly through taxes still is something the population has to endorse in the first place!), is sooo risky and incredibly long-term.
...and that is that those doing the violence are not the ones getting that money.
That's the fallacy of falling for the "too much of the wrong abstraction" hole: you group people by (artificial, not existing in the REAL world) nationality, instead of asking "Cui bono?" (who actually benefits)? I see this all the time in the German newspapers, "Germany looses/wins" - what BS. WHO excatly is that "Germany" guy??? Same thing with your not very well though through proposal, I'm sorry to have to say:)
> Whatever third parties are "taken hostage" in that process are the defaulting buyer's problem.
What you fail to take into account that it is also -and foremost - the "hostages" problem!
I can see that you ignore this tiny little issue - as long as YOU don't end up in that position. Somehow your point of view seems somewhat tilted to one side. I guess such thinking stems from business and economics courses, where other people are nothing but "resources" and "human capital", so it becomes very easy to abstract away their humanness and think its okay when they end up being ignored. I wonder, though, what you are going to say when YOUR car is in that garage.
I wanted to wait for some feedback here before watching this, but after actually going to the (fora.tv) URL I realized that I had watched this exact video only two hours ago, before seeing it on/.
Let me just say that if you like the stuff on fora.tv, especially from Long Now, than this video will be worth your time. The presenter is witty, the arguments make sense, and it is overall a pretty good presentation both in content and in style (HOW is it presented).
It is well balanced (not Fox News style:-) ), not crazy one-sided, and mostly about possible developments and dangers in where IT is going: who owns stuff, who has control? An example which already happened, there was an automated garage and since there was a dispute ab out payments between the makers of that garage and the owner by remote-control they shut down the garage, taking 300 cars hostage. In that context, there will be more and more implants with embedded IT inside YOUR body, from pace makers to other stuff. The video is MUCH MUCH better than my pityful summary though:)
That's hindsight bias. There are LOTS of disasters being predicted all the time - so what do you do? AFTERWARDS saying "oh we should have listened to THAT guy" is sooooo useless. Please make your statement not for the past but for the future, and let us come back to measure your success rate 10yrs hence.
Hmm let me think - because different applications are for different purposes and therefore one size fits all (you tell the browser running all those apps the ONE configuration that has to fit them all) is not the greatest idea on earth?
Especially since the keywords of the language itself are few - compared to the OCEAN of identifiers in libraries and those the programmer used for variables and function names in the actual application!
That said, while I personally MUCH prefer English (I'm German), I don't have a problem with people inventing and/or using whatever the %$ they want. I think we (all humans) discuss way too much stuff that's better left to the individuals. If it causes problems - well, so does pretty much anything anyone ever does, in one context or another.
As far as I remember from a book I read - I believe it was "Survival of the Sickest" (http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Sickest-Surprising-Connections-Longevity/dp/0060889667/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340023923&sr=1-1&keywords=survival+of+the+sickest), but I'm not certain, I read so much - the explanation is: evolutionary selection. There where several waves of the plague in old Europe, and each subsequent one was less disastrous than the preceding one. The reason is selective pressure, those who survived were more likely to have genes that had to do with how iron is retained in the body. If I remember correctly the bad feature of the plague was (is) that they circumvent the body's immune system: the white cells do what they usually do, the grab the invader, but in this case that's just what they want: they use the iron reserves stored inside the white cells for their own proliferation. The gene variant that survived tended to remove the iron from the reach of the plague.
So today the (European? not sure about others) population would be expected to be much more resistant to the plague.
Same as many Africans are MUCH more resistant to malaria than Europeans. A table from the 1870s I saw recently showed that of 1000 Europeans more than 500 died within a year(!!!) in malaria countries, while only 70-something Africans died in the same period.
...for showing the insanity of todays GUI concepts: Imagine you work on your car or some engineering project. Now imagine doing it the GUI way: you cannot move around, you cannot reach inside (your engine for example), you cannot move yourself at all! And you cannot touch anything! Instead you get a long stick, or with "multi-touch" that would be more than one stick, and with it/them move the room around you into position just in front of you. If you want to work on something deeper inside, you cannot just reach inside, you have to use the sticks and some buttons (or scroll wheels) to "zoom in". How much fun would that be?!
All those "new" GUI concepts attempt to create an "improved" version of the above. None of them attempts to give me back my garage and my real world, where *I* can move where I want, and reach where I want, and grab what I want.
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Moderators should be REQUIRED to read up on the article. Having read several articles about the circumstances of this case I can only conclude that THIS TIME they where most definitely justified to take in that guy. Yes, even if it turns out he was innocent. READ ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE before posting, please. My first knee-jerk reaction to the headline, when I first saw it (somewhere else), was the same as here, but the full facts changed MY mind.
If the 13-year-old commits murder, are the parents liable? Are the parents liable for any of the kid's law-breaking actions?
How's downloading illegal music any different?
...when their child commits murder? There are plenty of cases in the US and the UK available to research. Unless you hand your kid the gun, or don't leave YOUR gun lying around (applies to the US mostly), only the child ends up in (a special, depending on age) court. Then of course, in the US there are plenty examples where a 12 year old is tried as an adult, but that still leaves out the parents.
As for your second question, of course! If they are directly responsible. You cannot send your child to commit a crime thinking YOU won't be punished.
Your 3rd question, you DO know that even in the US civil and criminal law are two very different things?
So, to sum it up, are you just trolling because you immediately dislike something you hear, and are too lazy to invoke some more modern parts of your brain instead of just the knee-jerk reaction part?
Is it troll-time? I'm sorry, but how else should I react to this question, which does not take anyone more than a second to reply to:
- How long do trash collectors train for their job? And...
- ...how much do trash collectors pay for their training?
- If a trash collector forgets a trash can, how many people die? In the case of the pilot a lot of people are gone *immediately*, ye know, with just a single mishap.
Etc., I stop here, this isn't worth it.
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/transportation-and-material-moving/airline-and-commercial-pilots.htm#tab-5
Just to bring some numbers into the discussion.
Personally, I'm a private pilot, I would NEVER make this my profession - so much more money to make in IT, and working hours as a pilot are pretty bad mostly.
Don't forget that entry level pay is much less than those stats show - that's the MEDIAN (not even average).
"The median annual wage of commercial pilots was $67,500 in May 2010. Among commercial pilots, the lowest 10 percent earned less than $34,860 and the top 10 percent earned more than $119,650."
For such an important job this pay is RIDICULOUSLY LOW.
In that case I still keep my "Nuts!" comment, but no longer point it at your comment, but at the patent law. And you have my sympathies - I think I like MY job even more now...
I don't believe in that patent stuff at all anyway - I'm German, after all, and the way we got to where we are was through COPYING (British machines). I would be a hypocrite to defend patents now, just because now WE have the machines and somebody else copies them. The whole world is nuts.
You are not saying much. If a file a patent, do *I* have to file proof, or does *THE PTO* have to prove me wrong, and if they can't/don't they have to award the patent?
THAT is what you said - it is not quite clear, since it is a reply to a reply - so I would just like you to confirm.
PS: Is slashdot so d$%&n slow for others too? Not just today, even loading the homepage takes 5-10 seconds, each time.
You lack something called "insight" and "empathy", OR you are the only person who does not know that for MANY Americans joining the military is their ONLY chance to get a good education and a chance to a reasonable life. Sure, it's THEIR fault that they joined, they could have done what I did and get a great university education (free in my case, Germany - I did live in the US for more than 7 yrs too) to earn lots of money (IT, programming). If they did not do that, it MUST be THEIR FAULT. Yeah, right.
Excuse me, when you file a patent you have to prove THAT YOU HAVE A CASE (for getting a new patent awarded). You describe it the other way around, we (the PTO, whoever) have to prove that it's not a valid patent, with a default of "award it"???
Nuts! (Sorry, but that's how I describe this reversal or who has to prove what).
I've been reading slashdot at least once a day for the last few days, and I see this story for the first time.
But regardless - I would like to amend your "Can ppl stop..." to also stop claiming the story is a repost but NOT GIVE A LINK to the story of which this is supposed to be a repost? It's the equivalent of footnotes to back up claims, and it's what the Web (HTML) was actually MADE FOR.
Thank you.
Very fitting:
http://www.dilbert.com/2012-10-07/ :)
An Indian friend of mine (with degrees from Stanford and from the Univ. of Chicago, so one could say a well educated person) pointed out to me that Indians hadn't won anything in some major sports event for decades (don't remember what it was, or if he was talking about all of them at once), and that Indians are usually much smaller than people in the West. We were talking about eating habits, but only a few sentences, nothing major (I would not do that, because I could not care less if YOU kill YOURSELF slowly (by not eating enough meat, haha :) ).
I must say those Asians are pretty short too, the majority.
So let me go and grab another steak...
I am soooo tired of "this is a copy" comments.
Who has ever produced ANYTHING not based upon the ideas of others, unless you count the very first stone tools of 50000+ years ago???
Oh, and talking about airplanes: humans copied the main design from birds.
That's not how it works either :)
Sure, SOME of that money may be such bribes (not directly, of course, but it goes to businesses owned by.. exactly.)
HOWEVER, very often a LOT of money is given with the condition that it is spent on money and/or services of the GIVING country. The Germany gave hundreds of millions to Greece - who bought German military hardware. Where do you think Pakistan and Egypt buy from? Military and other.
So, as usual, such simple explanations fail. If you don't give the money, you hurt YOUR OWN economy. And don't say that if it isn't given in the first place, but used directly in YOUR economy, you would be better off. Unfortunately ( I guess) that's not how the system works. Do you think the US is a really capitalist country? With most of ALL the nations money going to the military? To protect the US (from Mexico, Canada and another attack of Japan on Pearl Harbor)? They would not have all the problems they fight abroad if they would not have that army in the first place. It all benefits juts a few people controlling those industries that benefit from those kinds of flows of money. This is RISK FEE money flow, compared to doing risky and expensive research for REAL innovation - mostly because you can easily convince gullible humans (all of them) they need weapons, compared to anything else, which is because we really DON'T need much else but a house, food, and friends. In comparison, investments in medical research, the only other thing people are always willing to pay for (indirectly through taxes still is something the population has to endorse in the first place!), is sooo risky and incredibly long-term.
...and that is that those doing the violence are not the ones getting that money.
That's the fallacy of falling for the "too much of the wrong abstraction" hole: you group people by (artificial, not existing in the REAL world) nationality, instead of asking "Cui bono?" (who actually benefits)? I see this all the time in the German newspapers, "Germany looses/wins" - what BS. WHO excatly is that "Germany" guy??? Same thing with your not very well though through proposal, I'm sorry to have to say :)
> A small crowd of starving people vs my well fed and well armed self? I'll take those odds.
So, your gun shoots better than that of the hungry guys (and they very likely outnumber you)? Interesting hypothesis - good luck to you, sir.
> Whatever third parties are "taken hostage" in that process are the defaulting buyer's problem.
What you fail to take into account that it is also -and foremost - the "hostages" problem!
I can see that you ignore this tiny little issue - as long as YOU don't end up in that position. Somehow your point of view seems somewhat tilted to one side. I guess such thinking stems from business and economics courses, where other people are nothing but "resources" and "human capital", so it becomes very easy to abstract away their humanness and think its okay when they end up being ignored. I wonder, though, what you are going to say when YOUR car is in that garage.
I wanted to wait for some feedback here before watching this, but after actually going to the (fora.tv) URL I realized that I had watched this exact video only two hours ago, before seeing it on /.
Let me just say that if you like the stuff on fora.tv, especially from Long Now, than this video will be worth your time. The presenter is witty, the arguments make sense, and it is overall a pretty good presentation both in content and in style (HOW is it presented).
It is well balanced (not Fox News style :-) ), not crazy one-sided, and mostly about possible developments and dangers in where IT is going: who owns stuff, who has control? An example which already happened, there was an automated garage and since there was a dispute ab out payments between the makers of that garage and the owner by remote-control they shut down the garage, taking 300 cars hostage. In that context, there will be more and more implants with embedded IT inside YOUR body, from pace makers to other stuff. The video is MUCH MUCH better than my pityful summary though :)
That's hindsight bias. There are LOTS of disasters being predicted all the time - so what do you do? AFTERWARDS saying "oh we should have listened to THAT guy" is sooooo useless. Please make your statement not for the past but for the future, and let us come back to measure your success rate 10yrs hence.
THIS response is not even worth a response (I see the contradiction in my behavior - it is intended).
Hmm let me think - because different applications are for different purposes and therefore one size fits all (you tell the browser running all those apps the ONE configuration that has to fit them all) is not the greatest idea on earth?
Especially since the keywords of the language itself are few - compared to the OCEAN of identifiers in libraries and those the programmer used for variables and function names in the actual application!
That said, while I personally MUCH prefer English (I'm German), I don't have a problem with people inventing and/or using whatever the %$ they want. I think we (all humans) discuss way too much stuff that's better left to the individuals. If it causes problems - well, so does pretty much anything anyone ever does, in one context or another.
I just asked Google - I got the book right. Search for "plague" on this page: http://biblioblogaroni.wordpress.com/2007/09/13/survival-of-the-sickest-a-medical-maverick-discovers-why-we-need-disease/
As far as I remember from a book I read - I believe it was "Survival of the Sickest" (http://www.amazon.com/Survival-Sickest-Surprising-Connections-Longevity/dp/0060889667/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1340023923&sr=1-1&keywords=survival+of+the+sickest), but I'm not certain, I read so much - the explanation is: evolutionary selection. There where several waves of the plague in old Europe, and each subsequent one was less disastrous than the preceding one. The reason is selective pressure, those who survived were more likely to have genes that had to do with how iron is retained in the body. If I remember correctly the bad feature of the plague was (is) that they circumvent the body's immune system: the white cells do what they usually do, the grab the invader, but in this case that's just what they want: they use the iron reserves stored inside the white cells for their own proliferation.
The gene variant that survived tended to remove the iron from the reach of the plague.
So today the (European? not sure about others) population would be expected to be much more resistant to the plague.
Same as many Africans are MUCH more resistant to malaria than Europeans. A table from the 1870s I saw recently showed that of 1000 Europeans more than 500 died within a year(!!!) in malaria countries, while only 70-something Africans died in the same period.
Could someone please help me explain why my response to this topic has been marked "Troll"??? I can't believe it!
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=481230&cid=22692850
...for showing the insanity of todays GUI concepts: Imagine you work on your car or some engineering project. Now imagine doing it the GUI way: you cannot move around, you cannot reach inside (your engine for example), you cannot move yourself at all! And you cannot touch anything! Instead you get a long stick, or with "multi-touch" that would be more than one stick, and with it/them move the room around you into position just in front of you. If you want to work on something deeper inside, you cannot just reach inside, you have to use the sticks and some buttons (or scroll wheels) to "zoom in". How much fun would that be?!
All those "new" GUI concepts attempt to create an "improved" version of the above. None of them attempts to give me back my garage and my real world, where *I* can move where I want, and reach where I want, and grab what I want.