That is pure bullshit and you know it. ANYBODY can walk up to a Linux console with X and get their email. Lok at KDE and GNOME. And for about 30 years, peopl ehave been getting their mail in UNIX by typing pine. For those who can't remember the word pine, you can even make a shell script menu: Welcome to SUnOS. Type pine for mail slrn for news logout to logout wp for WordPerfect
True, Linux does not have a clipboard built into the Kernel. Thank God it doesnt. However, I can STILL cut and paste in Command line mode, and with any dekstop on X I can think of.Solaris has a clipboard, so does AIX.(The commodore 64 didn't have a clipboard, unfortunately)
I gave my neighbors kids a PC for christmas. I installed Mandrake on it. (mainly so if they need support I can just ssh in and fix it.). They are 8 and 12 yrs old. I have YET to have them tell me something doesnt work or they are confused about something. This is their FIRST computer. The 12 yr old uses WIndows at school sometimes. I hear complaints about the schools computers, but not her own. It may be an isolated incident, however....
I had a discussion about this exact same topic with a buddy of mine (Professor of Economics) last week. He is a Linux user (recently), and he says that if there were no advertising, and Linux was installed by default, people would "demand" Linux.
I doubt people who are interested in Linux care about the so-called "attitude" problem of it's users. Most of the attitudes are from college age whipper-snappers on/.
Well, what if I WANTED to delete all my files? A masochistic admin can completely remove the rm command altogether, or make it executable only by root. (That's gives you more to do....sit by the phone and get the 3,000 calls having them ask YOU to delete their porn for them:)
I used to be an employer...I used to see that all the time, however in 6 months, having over 100 interviews and seeign the same stupid crap, it starts to piss me off, ya know?
That's ALSO the reason....but if I said that, I would've been flamed from here to Arkansas:) Go to http://www.crimeagainstamerica.com for more info on how H11 visas are destroying more than just the IT industry
MANY companies are requiring experience with things like EMC, Veritas, Oracle, Weblogic, websphere, and a plethora of other crap. If you are a good unix admin, you WILL have worked with at least ONE of these tools. The funny thing is, an interview I had yesterday wanted me to know ALL those tools mentioned above. I have used them all, but not at the SAME TIME! I honestly thing the job requirements are written by the present admin, knowing NOBODY will have them, thus insuring he keeps his job.
Many companies I've come in contact with won't believe you if you say you know more than 2 UNICES. They can't comprehend it. If they are a Sun shop, and if their admins know nothign but Solaris, they think you're lying. It's beyond their comprehension. I think having multiple UNICES on my resume actually HURT me more then they help. I've been a Sr. Admin, NOC Director, etc. I'm applying for Jr admin jobs now. I can't even get those.
That's a very shitty attitude. I've been unemployed for 6 months, and am about tolose my house. I will relocate ANYWHERE, ever Europe. In NYC (where I am) only Financial Companies are hiring, and for some reason, me and thr 3,000 other admins are competing for the same position, and only one of them gets it. I had an interview today. They had 5 qualifications they HAD to have. I had them all. Do you know what they said to me?? You seem overqualified! Over qulaified??? What the fuck is that????? How can you be overqualified for a BANK! I'm thinking of switching careers. 13 years is long enough doing what you love, isnt it?
Easier said than done my friend. I consider myself a DAMn good UNIX admin. I say that now in the past 6 months, because having these monkeys test my knowledge in interviewws, getting every oneof their stupid questions rigth, then they decide not to hire me, and when I meet the admins they have, and they interview me, I'm appalled. Wait..YOU are interviewing ME?? When they find out I've been admining UNIX practically as long as they've been alive, they get scared. They don't WANT a killer admin. It stirs up the pot. I'm going to chnage my resume, and say I have 1 year of Solaris and see how things change.
Amen brother.....you had the balls to say it. I have interviews now, and they ask me, "Do you know shell scripts?" I'm like 'DUH! Of COURSE!!" then I realize that most admins aren't admins. After being in this industry for 15 years, and seeing ex-MCSE-cum-Sr Unix Admin's being 20 with NO concept of UNIX as a thought process, it realy chaps my ass.
I have used 5 different UNICES for over 12 years, and a majority of them at the same time. Solaris and AIX were the 23 biggies. If you "think" in UNIX, you'l realize that they are all the same. Although AIX is the most non-UNIX of the UNICES (they chnage the name of commands just to be different), but as long as you have a UNIX frame of mind, there is no learning curve. I prefer different UNIXES. I never liked being too dependant on one vendor. Man, as long as you have your scripts in order (you DO, don't you), and made them with a UNIX mentality, you'll have few problems. I personally don't know any UNIX guy who only knows ONE UNIX. That's odd. My last job, we had RS/6000's for almost everything, but Sun for Oracle (since it ran better on Sun). How did I know that? We got an HP box, a Sun Box, a Compaq Alpha running Tru64, and an RS/6000 and performed tests on each of them. Everr hear of IQ and OQ? Integration Quality and Operation Quality. What BEST supports the needs of the client? A real UNIX admin learns to think outside the box. Hiring someone who is a "one platform man" is detrimental. Or someone who refuses to learn another platform. That's the mentality of an NT admin, not a UNIX admin. I've always taken a consultants viewpoint. Think of ROI. Think of quality. Think of uptime. It all comes down to money. If a 100 person company has 14 RS/6000 M80's, SOMEBODY is getting fucked over! Sure, one vendor makes life easier for the accounting dept. But YOU have a job to do. And your job is to ultimately keep your company running. As UNIX admins, we are a very precious commodity that the dot bomb crash has made every body forget. We are supposed to be the example of computer usage. Is it COOL to have 30 servers, or do we realy NEED 30 servers? SInce IT is usually the dept w/ the highest costs, we save face when we choose the BEST tool for the job. If you have more than 2 FUL-TIME admins in a 100 person company, something is WRONG. REALLY wrong. (Not counting integration and building) I've been at companies where I was the only admin for a 200 server farm. Call the consultant when things got hairy. But all in all, UNIX is supposed to WORK. If it's not, there is a problem
Actually, I've always believed that the gopher protocol was better than WAP for wireless. It offers EVERYTHING WML can offer, plus it's easier to use. Gopher is an exisitng protocol that works perfectly well for Wireless Sites
I use Dillo on my FreeBSD box. When I'm on that box, it's usually for research and looking up information. No javascript needed. And I reallt couldnt care less if I missed the designers COOL flash intro. It's content content content.
It all depends on your target market. At my last job, we had 45% of users using netscape or mozilla. Why? I have no clue. They also happened to be on Solaris or IRIX machines. Which was another oddity. Hollywood uses IRIX. We weren't marketing to the film industry.
Why can't you just install Opera on your work pc? Or do you have one of those jobs where the users can't install anything on their pcs? (That in my opinion sucks. Since in my job, I work better with my own tools. You can't tell a carpenter to use certain tools that YOU want him to use..makes no sense to me.)
I remember when I used windows, it woulc crash for no reason whatsoever. Mozilla 1 RC3 hasnt crashed ever. Actually. I havent had mozilla crash in months.
It seems to me that most viruses (NOT computer virus, but a Microsoft Virus) are written in VB. I doubt a script kiddie can even handle C code. So I think we're safe until Gnome Basic is fully developed!
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That is pure bullshit and you know it. ANYBODY can walk up to a Linux console with X and get their email. Lok at KDE and GNOME. And for about 30 years, peopl ehave been getting their mail in UNIX by typing pine.
For those who can't remember the word pine, you can even make a shell script menu:
Welcome to SUnOS.
Type pine for mail
slrn for news
logout to logout
wp for WordPerfect
True, Linux does not have a clipboard built into the Kernel. Thank God it doesnt. However, I can STILL cut and paste in Command line mode, and with any dekstop on X I can think of.Solaris has a clipboard, so does AIX.(The commodore 64 didn't have a clipboard, unfortunately)
I gave my neighbors kids a PC for christmas. I installed Mandrake on it. (mainly so if they need support I can just ssh in and fix it.). They are 8 and 12 yrs old. I have YET to have them tell me something doesnt work or they are confused about something. This is their FIRST computer. The 12 yr old uses WIndows at school sometimes. I hear complaints about the schools computers, but not her own. It may be an isolated incident, however....
I had a discussion about this exact same topic with a buddy of mine (Professor of Economics) last week. He is a Linux user (recently), and he says that if there were no advertising, and Linux was installed by default, people would "demand" Linux.
I doubt people who are interested in Linux care about the so-called "attitude" problem of it's users. Most of the attitudes are from college age whipper-snappers on /.
Well, what if I WANTED to delete all my files? A masochistic admin can completely remove the rm command altogether, or make it executable only by root. (That's gives you more to do....sit by the phone and get the 3,000 calls having them ask YOU to delete their porn for them :)
I used to be an employer...I used to see that all the time, however in 6 months, having over 100 interviews and seeign the same stupid crap, it starts to piss me off, ya know?
That's ALSO the reason....but if I said that, I would've been flamed from here to Arkansas :)
Go to http://www.crimeagainstamerica.com for more info on how H11 visas are destroying more than just the IT industry
MANY companies are requiring experience with things like EMC, Veritas, Oracle, Weblogic, websphere, and a plethora of other crap. If you are a good unix admin, you WILL have worked with at least ONE of these tools. The funny thing is, an interview I had yesterday wanted me to know ALL those tools mentioned above. I have used them all, but not at the SAME TIME! I honestly thing the job requirements are written by the present admin, knowing NOBODY will have them, thus insuring he keeps his job.
Many companies I've come in contact with won't believe you if you say you know more than 2 UNICES. They can't comprehend it. If they are a Sun shop, and if their admins know nothign but Solaris, they think you're lying. It's beyond their comprehension. I think having multiple UNICES on my resume actually HURT me more then they help. I've been a Sr. Admin, NOC Director, etc. I'm applying for Jr admin jobs now. I can't even get those.
That's a very shitty attitude. I've been unemployed for 6 months, and am about tolose my house. I will relocate ANYWHERE, ever Europe. In NYC (where I am) only Financial Companies are hiring, and for some reason, me and thr 3,000 other admins are competing for the same position, and only one of them gets it. I had an interview today. They had 5 qualifications they HAD to have. I had them all. Do you know what they said to me?? You seem overqualified! Over qulaified??? What the fuck is that????? How can you be overqualified for a BANK! I'm thinking of switching careers. 13 years is long enough doing what you love, isnt it?
Easier said than done my friend. I consider myself a DAMn good UNIX admin. I say that now in the past 6 months, because having these monkeys test my knowledge in interviewws, getting every oneof their stupid questions rigth, then they decide not to hire me, and when I meet the admins they have, and they interview me, I'm appalled. Wait..YOU are interviewing ME?? When they find out I've been admining UNIX practically as long as they've been alive, they get scared. They don't WANT a killer admin. It stirs up the pot. I'm going to chnage my resume, and say I have 1 year of Solaris and see how things change.
Amen brother.....you had the balls to say it. I have interviews now, and they ask me, "Do you know shell scripts?" I'm like 'DUH! Of COURSE!!" then I realize that most admins aren't admins. After being in this industry for 15 years, and seeing ex-MCSE-cum-Sr Unix Admin's being 20 with NO concept of UNIX as a thought process, it realy chaps my ass.
I have used 5 different UNICES for over 12 years, and a majority of them at the same time. Solaris and AIX were the 23 biggies. If you "think" in UNIX, you'l realize that they are all the same. Although AIX is the most non-UNIX of the UNICES (they chnage the name of commands just to be different), but as long as you have a UNIX frame of mind, there is no learning curve. I prefer different UNIXES. I never liked being too dependant on one vendor. Man, as long as you have your scripts in order (you DO, don't you), and made them with a UNIX mentality, you'll have few problems. I personally don't know any UNIX guy who only knows ONE UNIX. That's odd. My last job, we had RS/6000's for almost everything, but Sun for Oracle (since it ran better on Sun). How did I know that? We got an HP box, a Sun Box, a Compaq Alpha running Tru64, and an RS/6000 and performed tests on each of them. Everr hear of IQ and OQ? Integration Quality and Operation Quality. What BEST supports the needs of the client? A real UNIX admin learns to think outside the box. Hiring someone who is a "one platform man" is detrimental. Or someone who refuses to learn another platform. That's the mentality of an NT admin, not a UNIX admin. I've always taken a consultants viewpoint. Think of ROI. Think of quality. Think of uptime. It all comes down to money. If a 100 person company has 14 RS/6000 M80's, SOMEBODY is getting fucked over! Sure, one vendor makes life easier for the accounting dept. But YOU have a job to do. And your job is to ultimately keep your company running. As UNIX admins, we are a very precious commodity that the dot bomb crash has made every body forget. We are supposed to be the example of computer usage. Is it COOL to have 30 servers, or do we realy NEED 30 servers? SInce IT is usually the dept w/ the highest costs, we save face when we choose the BEST tool for the job. If you have more than 2 FUL-TIME admins in a 100 person company, something is WRONG. REALLY wrong. (Not counting integration and building) I've been at companies where I was the only admin for a 200 server farm. Call the consultant when things got hairy. But all in all, UNIX is supposed to WORK. If it's not, there is a problem
With Mozilla on Linux, film88 didnt detect my RealPlayer plugin. I have to find a way to bypass their JavaScript...
Actually, I've always believed that the gopher protocol was better than WAP for wireless. It offers EVERYTHING WML can offer, plus it's easier to use. Gopher is an exisitng protocol that works perfectly well for Wireless Sites
Yes, I agree. I wish I could be an evangelist. However, I am the worst at sales, I couldn't sell food to a starving man, that is my weakness.
I just went to your site on my Linux box using mozilla ..I didnt have any problems.....
I use Dillo on my FreeBSD box. When I'm on that box, it's usually for research and looking up information. No javascript needed. And I reallt couldnt care less if I missed the designers COOL flash intro. It's content content content.
It all depends on your target market. At my last job, we had 45% of users using netscape or mozilla. Why? I have no clue. They also happened to be on Solaris or IRIX machines. Which was another oddity. Hollywood uses IRIX. We weren't marketing to the film industry.
Why can't you just install Opera on your work pc? Or do you have one of those jobs where the users can't install anything on their pcs? (That in my opinion sucks. Since in my job, I work better with my own tools. You can't tell a carpenter to use certain tools that YOU want him to use..makes no sense to me.)
Actually, I like Konq, but until they get tabbed browsing, I just can't use it..I'm too dependant on tabbed browsing.
I remember when I used windows, it woulc crash for no reason whatsoever. Mozilla 1 RC3 hasnt crashed ever. Actually. I havent had mozilla crash in months.
I don't use windows, but I don't open new windows....I DEPEND on tabbed browsing..I'm completely lost if I don't have it
It seems to me that most viruses (NOT computer virus, but a Microsoft Virus) are written in VB. I doubt a script kiddie can even handle C code. So I think we're safe until Gnome Basic is fully developed!