How often do these school shootings occur and how many people are killed per year?
How often do the "usual" robbery/murder shootings occur and how many people are killed per year?
Yes the genie is out of the bottle for the USA so you guys are going to have to live with it.
Meanwhile things are fine in many other countries where gun control is really tight, and I doubt they want things USA-style.
My countryfolk are far from as disciplined and conforming as the Swiss, most can't even handle a car responsibly, so a proliferation of guns and an "arms race" is not what I'd want.
As for your armed militia protecting against the government, it's more likely the most powerful armed militia is the one that sets up the next Dictatorship. You want to fix stuff get people to stick to using votes while they have them (rather than changing TV channels) and stop pretending you're "soldiers" or that it's something so good to have.
If everyone is inclined to fight fire with fire the whole country will be ablaze.
"Holding people accountable would be allowing the insurance companies to charge smokers more "
Y'know with gene tests and all those tests AND the more access the insurance companies have over all that data, maybe the insurance companies would just use it as an excuse to charge nearly _everyone_ more (except for a few people?), and rake in higher profits.
After all, if you look at everyone closely enough, for most people there's probably something _detectably_ wrong that'll kill them decades later. Only a few will die when they are 100 of "old age" (aka we're not sure which was the smoking gun ).
But who really wants that sort of versatility- who wants so many different instruction sets? The compiler writers? I doubt more than a few people want that.
Would such a GPU be faster? It might be faster for some custom cases, but is it going to be faster at popular stuff than a GPU that's been optimized for popular stuff?
The speed nowadays is not so much because of the instruction set, it's the fancy stuff the instruction set _control_ e.g. FPU units, out of order execution, trace cache, branch prediction etc.
Just look at the P4, Opteron and Core 2. For the same instruction set you get rather different speeds.
Good luck allowing buffer size, branch prediction logic, etc to be changed in a programmable way, have it run faster AND not screw up.
The FPGA sort of stuff is for when you can't convince Intel, Nvidia etc to add the feature for you, because nobody else wants it but you.
Programmers who make Crysis, and programmers who make Unreal, tend to want similar stuff fast.
Maybe there might be some custom functions that are different for each popular software, that need to be sped up. But I don't see why you'd necessarily require a different instruction set just use those functions.
The US Gov should outsource wiretapping to India then - after all wiretapping of US citizens could be legal in India;).
Seriously though there's the UKUSA and Echelon stuff (where it is suspected that "outsourcing" was done), and all those fancy laws.
To me the fact they didn't even bother to do it "properly" with all the available loopholes, shows how much contempt they have for the US citizens now.
The US Gov goes: "We're using your precious constitution as toilet paper", and seems most of the US people go "Hey, what's on the other channel." rather than "Hey you can't do that!".
Anyway that also happens in most countries, just those other countries are a fair bit weaker than the USA.
"you can always add a small solar panel to the roof or hood of the car"
You'd probably get there faster by just walking.
You only get a max of about 1 kilowatt per square metre from sunlight (and that's extreme best case - sun vertical, clear day with no smog, dust and clouds). Add the losses from conversion and you'll have a lot less than 1kW to move your car. Say your solar cells are 40% efficient - that means 400W. Assume your electric motors are 90% efficient and no other losses (gearing etc), that means a max of about 360W at the wheels. That's about the power of 6 desk fans.
You can move a 1000kg car with that power, but it's not going to move very fast given rolling resistance (think how much force you need to move a stationary car on flat ground), and if there's even a slight slope the force adds up (ever tried pushing a car up a slight slope?).
velocity = power / force
Assuming the total force required is the same amount of force as lifting 50kg (approx 500 newtons) - that works out to about 2.6kph, which is slower than walking.
If it's a cloudy day, or it's morning/evening, it's going to move even slower.
Firstly: I was replying to the person replying to you. Go read again.
Secondly: if you had actually bothered to read my message AND bothered to try to understand it, you'd see what I think is good enough. Seems like you're not genuinely interested.
Well to me it seems my 9800GT for USD150 is about good enough for current games, and I'm hoping by the time there's a game I want to play where it isn't good enough there would be a new 4870 class or better video card for USD150 which is good enough.
So instead of spending USD300 now, I spend 150 now, and 150 later. And USD150 later is most likely to be worth less than USD150 now, but still buy about the same ranking video card in the new rankings then:).
Of course if you want high quality 60fps for Crysis now then "good enough" is an ATI4870 - as I said I was tempted to get one too:).
Buying a mid/high vid card was a lot harder before late last year = the mid and high cards were unimpressive for the price you had to pay. I'm glad nvidia and ATI started this recent video card war (I think it started with the 8800GT vs 3870 last year).
A "mere" 9800GT at half the price can manage Crysis at 1680x1050. Maybe not at the extreme quality settings, but after a while you stop looking at the fancy stuff and start concentrating on dodging and shooting;).
That said I was tempted to go for the ATI4870 (it's the fastest card you can get without a silly $$$ to performance ratio), but the power consumption, heat and noise worried me (I don't live in Canada;) ). I figure I might as well spend half the money get a 9800GT and hopefully something later comes out that's the same speed as an ATI4870 but uses a lot less power, and is half the price a 4870 is now:).
So far no regrets with the 9800GT with Zalman cooler - my PC is quiet enough for me. System is stable and fast enough.
1) There are very few of them made, they are luxury and collector items 2) People who collect lots of money tend to collect stuff as well, and some of them choose to collect cars.
So if someone else ever totally destroys their car, the other cars become more valuable.
I think you miss the point. The point is no matter how good you are, all have sinned and fallen short. No mere human is good _enough_.
My imperfect understanding of it: 1) Eternity is a very very long time to be imperfect. Seriously, think about this, we're not talking about mere billions of years, or "time to heat death of universe", we're talking about way LONGER. 2) If imperfect people were allowed into to heaven, eventually they'll make it bad for others and _themselves_.
So, somehow people have to be made perfect. I'm not sure how this is going to be done, but Jesus said "Believe in me" and "Follow me", and if you believe he is telling the truth AND he died and rose again (which proves there is some sort of afterlife AND there's a significant chance he's telling the truth), then it is a reasonable thing to do.
Sure you can be good without having accepted Christ. But can you be good enough?
If Jesus asks you to follow him and you refuse, I'm not sure where your eventual destination will be.
Often I ask like the disciples did - "Who then can be saved?". I mean honestly, how many people who say they follow Jesus are actually following him? I'm not even sure I'm really following him...
When various Important People are standing behind you making "supportive" noises, while other people are coming by every 5 minutes to ask "Is it fixed yet?", you'll start to realize that restore time is very important, and that disk I/O is pathetic, and tape is overrated.
If your video card is not supported because you choose to use an O/S where the ABI changes significantly every few months, or where the older kernels/drivers are NOT supported, you are the one who wants to be on the _bleeding_ edge. So if you bleed, that's YOUR problem.
If you prefer Linux, use a distro which allows you to keep things updated without breaking drivers (I believe enterprise level customers prefer distros like that - after all, they'd definitely want their stuff to still work after a critical kernel update).
If you use Windows 2000 or Windows XP, you can still use a Ti4200 _today_ even for playing popular 3D games (guildwars, WoW, counterstrike etc). You can patch Win 2K/XP without having to change your video card driver.
The Ti4200 was launched 6 years ago. I got one around that time, and a good card it _was_. It stopped working some months ago, but as far as I know the latest Knoppix worked with the Ti4200, so I haven't had problems with Nvidia on Linux for "not playing modern games".
If you want to use ancient video cards much older than a Ti4200, you should be expecting an "interesting" time. That should be part of the fun.
If you don't find that sort of thing fun, just buy a _new_ low end PC for < USD200. I'm currently using an Asus p5kpl-cm motherboard - it's cheap (usd50-60) and has Intel onboard video, has sound and LAN built in too.
As for video market share, I'm not actually using the intel onboard video, it's just in case my 9800GT stops working. The p5kpl-cm is one of the cheapest motherboards - many of the ones without onboard video cost more:).
'globalization will end these ridiculous restrictions on trade called "copyright"'
You're rather optimistic. The restrictions seem to be spreading, and the "Most Restrictive Common Denominator" appears to be used. They call it "Harmonization" or something.
And in fact, lots of people here believe this guy is a criminal. And that it's Theft.
On the other hand, from my point of view:
Nintendo et all have stopped selling those games - they don't think there's a market etc, they've apparently made enough money and started selling other stuff.
Then here comes this chap (and a bunch of others) and they repackage the stuff, and there's obviously a market for it. Maybe not a "Nintendo Wii" sized market, but large enough for him to make 400 kilobucks. Someone has obviously taken the risk to set up a factory, distribution, design packaging etc to produce this ( http://www.amazon.com/Super-Power-Player-Joystick-Game/dp/B000AXWEVU - BTW if their claim of 76000 games is wrong then yes they should go to jail for that ).
Seems the powers that be have decided that this must be stopped, so that "progress of the arts etc" can occur.
But I believe that it's better that this not be stopped, and that Nintendo, Microsoft etc be forced to compete against their decades old stuff in cheap chinese packages. And that this will force them to produce real innovation (rather than stuff like Vista).
Of course, my logic and reasoning must be flawed somehere:).
"NVidia, on the other hand, gradually decrease support for older hardware to force you to upgrade,"
Who is forcing you to upgrade?
I stuck with my Ti4200 for years till it stopped working. Could i get a new one and did I want a new one? No. The newer AGP replacement was faster and supported DX9 stuff.
Basically: 1) You don't have to upgrade your hardware if you don't upgrade your software. If you want to upgrade your software, how's it the hardware manufacturer's problem that your old hardware stops working after that?
2) After a while your hardware rots away anyway.
3) X years later, hardly anyone is selling old hardware anymore (except on ebay) - good luck getting your VESA Local Bus graphics card. I already have difficulty getting PCI graphics cards, and the trickle of AGP cards is drying up too.
You can say #3 is the result of the evil tactics of Nvidia et all, but most shops are going to stock for the 99% who want new stuff, not the < 1% who want the old stuff.
Who wants to keep supporting older stuff? It costs money and time. Even the open source devs stop supporting older stuff.
If I want to buy a PC today, I can't get one that uses SDRAM, AGP (anyone remember VLB?;) ). So I am "forced to upgrade" anyway.
But I'm not crying. My latest PC is actually cheaper (including inflation and currency devaluation), a lot faster than my previous PC. It runs cooler and probably uses less power too.
BTW I used to have an Apple IIGS. But unless you're a collector, it's usually better to run an Apple IIGS emulator on modern hardware.
I've complained about UI stuff in KDE and the devs just say "worksforme".
For example: tasks in the KDE taskbar are arranged vertically then horizontally when they should be horizontally then vertically. Say you have a double height taskbar that's full of tasks, think about what happens when a task in the middle of the bar is closed - with the KDE style all tasks to the right of the closed task will change their relative positions, whereas with the Windows style, only two tasks will change relative positions.
Then for Kmail, saving a draft causes the email message window to be _closed_ automatically. So you can't work on an email, save the email and continue working with it without interruption. You'll have to reopen the draft. Weird.
Gnome? They seem to like solving UI problems by removing features. No UI problem with feature X - it doesn't exist anymore, or you need to press some special key sequence to access it.
"If you've ever stood near a pizza oven (a typical one, which is what this method will utilize), you know that no little amount of energy is lost into the surrounding area"
Well then the insulation of the ovens should be improved if you don't want the ovens to be providing heating for your environment as well.
I suggest aerogels and similar stuff.
I found it quite strange that current consumer oven insulation tech is very primitive. But I assumed that it's because the designers tend to be from cold climates so heat leaking out isn't that bad.
However, people living in hot climates don't want so much heat leaking out.
Using latin makes it easier to know when you're talking about the "scientific name", since most people don't use latin for talking about other stuff.
Then scientists know you're trying to refer to a specific creature/thing.
It's similar thing for technical terms. Use of mostly "normal english" is good when you're trying to explain stuff to the general public, but it's usually more precise and efficient to use the correct technical terms when speaking with specialists in the field.
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How often do these school shootings occur and how many people are killed per year?
How often do the "usual" robbery/murder shootings occur and how many people are killed per year?
Yes the genie is out of the bottle for the USA so you guys are going to have to live with it.
Meanwhile things are fine in many other countries where gun control is really tight, and I doubt they want things USA-style.
My countryfolk are far from as disciplined and conforming as the Swiss, most can't even handle a car responsibly, so a proliferation of guns and an "arms race" is not what I'd want.
As for your armed militia protecting against the government, it's more likely the most powerful armed militia is the one that sets up the next Dictatorship. You want to fix stuff get people to stick to using votes while they have them (rather than changing TV channels) and stop pretending you're "soldiers" or that it's something so good to have.
If everyone is inclined to fight fire with fire the whole country will be ablaze.
Yeah they even can provide complicated proof that there's a solution, while being unable to provide one.
:)
Consultants on the other hand can provide expensive proof that there are solutions, while being unable to provide one.
"Holding people accountable would be allowing the insurance companies to charge smokers more "
Y'know with gene tests and all those tests AND the more access the insurance companies have over all that data, maybe the insurance companies would just use it as an excuse to charge nearly _everyone_ more (except for a few people?), and rake in higher profits.
After all, if you look at everyone closely enough, for most people there's probably something _detectably_ wrong that'll kill them decades later. Only a few will die when they are 100 of "old age" (aka we're not sure which was the smoking gun ).
"The costs of attempting to keep a sick lung cancer sufferer alive far outweigh the costs of keeping a healthy pensioner going for an extra 30 years."
So in Australia you don't bother keeping the healthy pensioner alive a decade or two later if they also get cancer?
But who really wants that sort of versatility- who wants so many different instruction sets? The compiler writers? I doubt more than a few people want that.
Would such a GPU be faster? It might be faster for some custom cases, but is it going to be faster at popular stuff than a GPU that's been optimized for popular stuff?
The speed nowadays is not so much because of the instruction set, it's the fancy stuff the instruction set _control_ e.g. FPU units, out of order execution, trace cache, branch prediction etc.
Just look at the P4, Opteron and Core 2. For the same instruction set you get rather different speeds.
Good luck allowing buffer size, branch prediction logic, etc to be changed in a programmable way, have it run faster AND not screw up.
The FPGA sort of stuff is for when you can't convince Intel, Nvidia etc to add the feature for you, because nobody else wants it but you.
Programmers who make Crysis, and programmers who make Unreal, tend to want similar stuff fast.
Maybe there might be some custom functions that are different for each popular software, that need to be sped up. But I don't see why you'd necessarily require a different instruction set just use those functions.
The US Gov should outsource wiretapping to India then - after all wiretapping of US citizens could be legal in India ;).
Seriously though there's the UKUSA and Echelon stuff (where it is suspected that "outsourcing" was done), and all those fancy laws.
To me the fact they didn't even bother to do it "properly" with all the available loopholes, shows how much contempt they have for the US citizens now.
The US Gov goes: "We're using your precious constitution as toilet paper", and seems most of the US people go "Hey, what's on the other channel." rather than "Hey you can't do that!".
Anyway that also happens in most countries, just those other countries are a fair bit weaker than the USA.
"you can always add a small solar panel to the roof or hood of the car"
You'd probably get there faster by just walking.
You only get a max of about 1 kilowatt per square metre from sunlight (and that's extreme best case - sun vertical, clear day with no smog, dust and clouds). Add the losses from conversion and you'll have a lot less than 1kW to move your car. Say your solar cells are 40% efficient - that means 400W. Assume your electric motors are 90% efficient and no other losses (gearing etc), that means a max of about 360W at the wheels. That's about the power of 6 desk fans.
You can move a 1000kg car with that power, but it's not going to move very fast given rolling resistance (think how much force you need to move a stationary car on flat ground), and if there's even a slight slope the force adds up (ever tried pushing a car up a slight slope?).
velocity = power / force
Assuming the total force required is the same amount of force as lifting 50kg (approx 500 newtons) - that works out to about 2.6kph, which is slower than walking.
If it's a cloudy day, or it's morning/evening, it's going to move even slower.
Firstly: I was replying to the person replying to you. Go read again.
:)
Secondly: if you had actually bothered to read my message AND bothered to try to understand it, you'd see what I think is good enough. Seems like you're not genuinely interested.
Lastly: it's time for food
Well to me it seems my 9800GT for USD150 is about good enough for current games, and I'm hoping by the time there's a game I want to play where it isn't good enough there would be a new 4870 class or better video card for USD150 which is good enough.
:).
:).
So instead of spending USD300 now, I spend 150 now, and 150 later. And USD150 later is most likely to be worth less than USD150 now, but still buy about the same ranking video card in the new rankings then
Of course if you want high quality 60fps for Crysis now then "good enough" is an ATI4870 - as I said I was tempted to get one too
Buying a mid/high vid card was a lot harder before late last year = the mid and high cards were unimpressive for the price you had to pay. I'm glad nvidia and ATI started this recent video card war (I think it started with the 8800GT vs 3870 last year).
Wow, budget is ATI4870? That's high end for me.
;).
;) ). I figure I might as well spend half the money get a 9800GT and hopefully something later comes out that's the same speed as an ATI4870 but uses a lot less power, and is half the price a 4870 is now :).
A "mere" 9800GT at half the price can manage Crysis at 1680x1050. Maybe not at the extreme quality settings, but after a while you stop looking at the fancy stuff and start concentrating on dodging and shooting
That said I was tempted to go for the ATI4870 (it's the fastest card you can get without a silly $$$ to performance ratio), but the power consumption, heat and noise worried me (I don't live in Canada
So far no regrets with the 9800GT with Zalman cooler - my PC is quiet enough for me. System is stable and fast enough.
Some even gain value.
1) There are very few of them made, they are luxury and collector items
2) People who collect lots of money tend to collect stuff as well, and some of them choose to collect cars.
So if someone else ever totally destroys their car, the other cars become more valuable.
I think you miss the point. The point is no matter how good you are, all have sinned and fallen short. No mere human is good _enough_.
My imperfect understanding of it:
1) Eternity is a very very long time to be imperfect. Seriously, think about this, we're not talking about mere billions of years, or "time to heat death of universe", we're talking about way LONGER.
2) If imperfect people were allowed into to heaven, eventually they'll make it bad for others and _themselves_.
So, somehow people have to be made perfect. I'm not sure how this is going to be done, but Jesus said "Believe in me" and "Follow me", and if you believe he is telling the truth AND he died and rose again (which proves there is some sort of afterlife AND there's a significant chance he's telling the truth), then it is a reasonable thing to do.
Sure you can be good without having accepted Christ. But can you be good enough?
If Jesus asks you to follow him and you refuse, I'm not sure where your eventual destination will be.
Often I ask like the disciples did - "Who then can be saved?". I mean honestly, how many people who say they follow Jesus are actually following him? I'm not even sure I'm really following him...
Exactly.
When various Important People are standing behind you making "supportive" noises, while other people are coming by every 5 minutes to ask "Is it fixed yet?", you'll start to realize that restore time is very important, and that disk I/O is pathetic, and tape is overrated.
If your video card is not supported because you choose to use an O/S where the ABI changes significantly every few months, or where the older kernels/drivers are NOT supported, you are the one who wants to be on the _bleeding_ edge. So if you bleed, that's YOUR problem.
:).
If you prefer Linux, use a distro which allows you to keep things updated without breaking drivers (I believe enterprise level customers prefer distros like that - after all, they'd definitely want their stuff to still work after a critical kernel update).
If you use Windows 2000 or Windows XP, you can still use a Ti4200 _today_ even for playing popular 3D games (guildwars, WoW, counterstrike etc). You can patch Win 2K/XP without having to change your video card driver.
The Ti4200 was launched 6 years ago. I got one around that time, and a good card it _was_. It stopped working some months ago, but as far as I know the latest Knoppix worked with the Ti4200, so I haven't had problems with Nvidia on Linux for "not playing modern games".
If you want to use ancient video cards much older than a Ti4200, you should be expecting an "interesting" time. That should be part of the fun.
If you don't find that sort of thing fun, just buy a _new_ low end PC for < USD200. I'm currently using an Asus p5kpl-cm motherboard - it's cheap (usd50-60) and has Intel onboard video, has sound and LAN built in too.
As for video market share, I'm not actually using the intel onboard video, it's just in case my 9800GT stops working. The p5kpl-cm is one of the cheapest motherboards - many of the ones without onboard video cost more
'globalization will end these ridiculous restrictions on trade called "copyright"'
:).
You're rather optimistic. The restrictions seem to be spreading, and the "Most Restrictive Common Denominator" appears to be used. They call it "Harmonization" or something.
And in fact, lots of people here believe this guy is a criminal. And that it's Theft.
On the other hand, from my point of view:
Nintendo et all have stopped selling those games - they don't think there's a market etc, they've apparently made enough money and started selling other stuff.
Then here comes this chap (and a bunch of others) and they repackage the stuff, and there's obviously a market for it. Maybe not a "Nintendo Wii" sized market, but large enough for him to make 400 kilobucks. Someone has obviously taken the risk to set up a factory, distribution, design packaging etc to produce this ( http://www.amazon.com/Super-Power-Player-Joystick-Game/dp/B000AXWEVU - BTW if their claim of 76000 games is wrong then yes they should go to jail for that ).
Seems the powers that be have decided that this must be stopped, so that "progress of the arts etc" can occur.
But I believe that it's better that this not be stopped, and that Nintendo, Microsoft etc be forced to compete against their decades old stuff in cheap chinese packages. And that this will force them to produce real innovation (rather than stuff like Vista).
Of course, my logic and reasoning must be flawed somehere
"Your discrete GPU could be in a sleep state until it's actually needed. Until then your computer could just use the hybrid chip"
Nvidia calls it HybridPower. Only works if you've got the right setup though.
I'm not surprised by the requirements since it does involve quite a bit of cooperation and coordination.
"NVidia, on the other hand, gradually decrease support for older hardware to force you to upgrade,"
;) ). So I am "forced to upgrade" anyway.
Who is forcing you to upgrade?
I stuck with my Ti4200 for years till it stopped working. Could i get a new one and did I want a new one? No. The newer AGP replacement was faster and supported DX9 stuff.
Basically:
1) You don't have to upgrade your hardware if you don't upgrade your software. If you want to upgrade your software, how's it the hardware manufacturer's problem that your old hardware stops working after that?
2) After a while your hardware rots away anyway.
3) X years later, hardly anyone is selling old hardware anymore (except on ebay) - good luck getting your VESA Local Bus graphics card. I already have difficulty getting PCI graphics cards, and the trickle of AGP cards is drying up too.
You can say #3 is the result of the evil tactics of Nvidia et all, but most shops are going to stock for the 99% who want new stuff, not the < 1% who want the old stuff.
Who wants to keep supporting older stuff? It costs money and time. Even the open source devs stop supporting older stuff.
If I want to buy a PC today, I can't get one that uses SDRAM, AGP (anyone remember VLB?
But I'm not crying. My latest PC is actually cheaper (including inflation and currency devaluation), a lot faster than my previous PC. It runs cooler and probably uses less power too.
BTW I used to have an Apple IIGS. But unless you're a collector, it's usually better to run an Apple IIGS emulator on modern hardware.
They should include DRM (Digital Rights Management).
Basically the hammer smashes your digits if you don't have the necessary rights to use the hammer for a particular task.
I've complained about UI stuff in KDE and the devs just say "worksforme".
For example: tasks in the KDE taskbar are arranged vertically then horizontally when they should be horizontally then vertically. Say you have a double height taskbar that's full of tasks, think about what happens when a task in the middle of the bar is closed - with the KDE style all tasks to the right of the closed task will change their relative positions, whereas with the Windows style, only two tasks will change relative positions.
Then for Kmail, saving a draft causes the email message window to be _closed_ automatically. So you can't work on an email, save the email and continue working with it without interruption. You'll have to reopen the draft. Weird.
Gnome? They seem to like solving UI problems by removing features. No UI problem with feature X - it doesn't exist anymore, or you need to press some special key sequence to access it.
I think you just encountered a failed slashdot bot/AI.
Maybe it was written in dpkg too.
So those Nigerians get the $$$ and the girls and strengthen the human race?
"If you've ever stood near a pizza oven (a typical one, which is what this method will utilize), you know that no little amount of energy is lost into the surrounding area"
Well then the insulation of the ovens should be improved if you don't want the ovens to be providing heating for your environment as well.
I suggest aerogels and similar stuff.
I found it quite strange that current consumer oven insulation tech is very primitive. But I assumed that it's because the designers tend to be from cold climates so heat leaking out isn't that bad.
However, people living in hot climates don't want so much heat leaking out.
Using latin makes it easier to know when you're talking about the "scientific name", since most people don't use latin for talking about other stuff.
Then scientists know you're trying to refer to a specific creature/thing.
It's similar thing for technical terms. Use of mostly "normal english" is good when you're trying to explain stuff to the general public, but it's usually more precise and efficient to use the correct technical terms when speaking with specialists in the field.
"Despite what the mass media says that Mormon sect practices polygyny not polygamy"
Really? The mass media getting words wrong?
I think that's gay.
Does Instant Messaging count? :)