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Jail 'Greedy' Scam Victims, Says Nigerian Diplomat
AcidAUS writes with this nearly unbelievable snippet from today's Sydney Morning Herald: "The Nigerian high commissioner in Australia says people who are ripped off by so-called Nigerian scams are just as guilty as the fraudsters and should be jailed. Responding to a story in yesterday's Herald, which revealed Australians lose at least $36 million a year to the online scams, Sunday Olu Agbi said Australians had failed to heed repeated warnings not to deal with shady characters on the internet."
If you are dumb enough to fall for one of the oldest fraud methods in existence, you deserve to lose you money, but not your freedom.
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I applaud his forward thinking in trying to get rid of stupid people, but I really don't think jail is an option. We're just gonna have to put up with them. Sorry man.
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why not block all automatic financial/bank transactions with Nigeria? Make it so some body has to sign for it, etc.
heck....if both parties are "guilty", why not put road-blocks to block both?
I wonder how much money financial institutions and law enforcement agencies spend following up on people burned by unbelievable scams. All sympathy to people who were swindled by seemingly legitimate superfund schemes, but a fool and his money is soon parted.
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A Nigerian diplomat emailed me a few days ago with the opurtunity of a life time. I wont go into the details but all I had to do was send him my personal information and he is going to transfer a few million dollars into my bank account. I can wait to spend all that free money this complete stranger is going to transfer into the account that I gave him access to.
If you agree to help someone launder stolen money, that is a crime in most countries even if the money doesn't exist.
One of the more successful scams now involves stealing email accounts of travellers and sending all their friends a note describing some sort of robbery and asking for money.
Since the summary doesn't make this clear and I'm sure plenty of people won't RTFA, the good professor is referring to jailing those people who fall for scams in which they believe they are aiding embezzlers in order to get rich. It'll never happen of course, but it's not that unreasonable either really.
Somehow being a greedy criminal is OK as long as you're dumb enough to wind up as the victim in the attempt.
Spelling mistakes, grammatical errors, and stupid comments are intentional.
On a brighter note, Agbi went on to say how wonderful it was that our reporter had won the first true Nigerian national lottery. After his small down payment clears he will soon be the proud recipient of 1 million Nigerian dollars! Congratulations John.
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Who would guard them? All of us are stupid from time to time. And according to the statistics I just made up, 80% of all people are chronically stupid.
...many are greedy and get what they deserve, if not far more. I was an adopted child and never once believed my "real" parents were royalty. I remain unaffected by similar fantasies later in life. That said, many elderly do not have the cognitive function required to identify these scams for what they are... many suffer at the hands of these fraudsters and deserve neither jail, nor the financial loss.
SCO is also part of the internet scam sphere. Jail SCO victims too.
Mate, My name is Steve Oakland of Sydney Australia. Recently I have received a large sum of USD 25,000,000 from Mr Aruba of Nigeria. However due to some new legislation I may be having some problems with our bottom-up laws. So I have to transfer that money to a third country ASAP. I will offer you 20% of the money in exchange for your small inconvenience, 70% will be for me, and 10% for the transaction costs ...
If enithin kan gow rong it whil. (Murfey)
I think the comment that the "victims" should be jailed was only directed at those involved in a scam claiming that someone had embezzled cash from the government and was trying to offload it.
It wasn't directed at the kind souls who want nothing more than to help a prince reclaim his rightful spot on the the throne of Nigeriatown, for the low low price of 500 USD!
The very idea that a real flesh-and-blood Nigerian diplomat actually exists feels so strange. It would be like meeting the real Duke Nukem.
Table-ized A.I.
Cut off all foreign humanitarian aid to Africa and let them scam their "aid" out of us online via email scams.
This is simply an argument to try to divert blame. I don't really care that the other side is a willing victim. Fraud is fraud, and I have a hard time believing that the Nigerian goverment is really doing all that much about it. Nigeria is a Kleptocracy, so corruption is endemic in the society. I'm sure a few well placed bribes keeps the cops away. It's not really that hard to find these guys after all since the money eventually has to go somewhere.
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I suppose in the classic 419 scam the victim thinks he's conspiring to launder money. I wonder though, who would press charges?
Nigerian High Commissioner Olu Agbi said if I don't send him $1,000 by Western Union in the next 24 hours that he'll throw me in jail!
Not so outrageous now is it?
If you go up to a cop who is posing as a prostitute on the street and make an offer you're going to get busted.
If you're at home and a cop calls you, posing as a prostitute, makes you an offer, and you accept, you're not going to wind up busted (for long, anyway).
So, this is somewhere in between. We should therefore arrest the victim's parents for raising such dolts.
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First Slashdotters blame copyright holders for not protecting their works better. Then it is Nigerians blaming scam victims. What's next? Don't lock your door, you deserve to be robbed? And women who dress provocatively deserve to be raped?
Isn't this the same Web site that wants the government to intervene to lower the price of Windows, or supports early iphone adopters who paid the stupid tax suing Apple because they had the audacity to lower prices?
I'm all for passing a Digital Consumer Rights Act to protect fair use and end user licensees, but some of the amoral "logic" here boggles the mind. If it is bad for Microsoft or Sony to rip off consumers, it's bad for you to rip off them.
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Yeah, right.
Honest people are the easiest to scam. People tend to project their attributes onto others, and honest people tend to be more trusting than the rest of us. Although an honest person would certainly not fall for this scam.
Scamming honest people makes for poor movies. Their is only one double-cross, and no twists. It's too easy.
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It's may be harsh, but he's got a point. If you actually bother to read any of these things, they often do sound like getting the fortune out of the country involves breaking the local laws. Just because your partner screws you does not immediately render you innocent if you were in fact plotting illegal activity.
Jailing the victim is asinine and a sure sign that the authorities are lazy and stupid themselves.
How is this any different to saying that a girl that goes into a rough neighbourhood in a mini-skirt and is raped should also be jailed? Just because someone puts themself in a position where they are easy prey doesn't mean that we should lash out against them if we find it difficult to prosecute the criminal.
What they'll do is make it a crime to send money. A few years ago they made it illegal in NSW, Australia to leave your car unlocked. The rationale was that stolen cars were being used to commit crime and a deterent was needed to stop people making their cars easy to steal. Never mind the inconvenient fact that glass windows are trivial to break. Personally I think this had more to do with car insurance fraud than a crime epidemic. So now rushing to work and forgetting to lock your car makes you a criminal, rather than just making you negligent (and possibly causing you to forfeit an insurance claim).
I think people who don't understand their role as a public servant and propose solutions like making a victim a criminal should be sacked, if not jailed themselves.
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'Nuff said.
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Like we're going to listen to Nigerian officials when it comes to money matters. Hell, they can't even keep their Princes from losing access to their fortunes, requiring honest, hard-working Americans to help them out!
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There is a reason for laws against entrapment. Also in many of these scams they try to make it look like you are doing the "honorable" thing to help avoid some corrupt government. Now if they said something like "help use move this money so we can buy weapons and kill civilians" maybe I would be more sympathetic. A little too self serving of a comment from Nigeria.
Here in the US it's supposed to be ok to be a "stickler" about your due process rights. I'm not sure how things work down under, but my guess is it's supposed to be about the same (only bigger?)
It's just a tax on people who don't understand math.
I somehow doubt he actually believes in jailing these people. He's simply pointing out their guilt, to reduce the guilt of his own country's people.
FTA - He said media coverage of fraudulent activity stemming from Nigeria had given the country "a bad image"
He does have a point, if Australians had never reported being scammed, then Nigeria wouldn't have a bad image. Yeah, this is really all the fault of those racist Australians. This pattern reminds me of the Jena-6 myths, that were all shown to have originated from journalists that were seduced by a false narrative of racial injustice.
... who will attend the University of Nigeria?
It's true no man is an island, but if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, they make a good raft.
And the diplomatic world, too.
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Punishing someone for assenting to a fake crime is equivalent to entrapment.
People agree to what they believe is a criminal scheme. But outside of the world of elaborate illusions, they're not dangerous or criminal at all. So it's a waste to jail them.
It would be like imprisoning someone because they _might_ commit a real crime in the future.
The stupid will always be the prime target for those who will take their money. The prime candidate is, of course, government lotteries, you know, taxation for those who are lacking math skills.
Anyone who sends money to an entity that can not be properly vetted is a greedy fool.
Is that a criminal action? No. If we locked up everyone that was stupid and greedy, we wouldn't have any police, state level politicians, public school teachers, car salesmen, plumbers, electricians, car mechanics, etc.
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Permit me to introduce myself, my name is TheSHAD0W and I was an officer in a now defunct company that performed 419 advance fee fraud scams and was based in Nigeria. This company's bank account now holds $36 million dollars which was scammed from Australian citizens. I am the only officer who was not arrested and murdered in jail and I now seek assistance in transferring these funds to the United States. The person who will assist in transferring this money will receive $3 million dollars and my gratitude. If you are interested please email your full name, social security number, birth date, and bank routing and account number to scammer@iamadoodyhead.co.ng please.
> WRONG. The scammer wants to make money from the deal. How are they going to coax the mark into giving them money when they claim to already have lots.
He's saying that honest people are also easy to scam, but that you have to use different methods on them (e.g. via fake charity scams).
He's not saying that the people who got scammed in 419 scams like those in this story are honest (they usually have you agree to break some financial law).
"It is not in the character of Nigerians to be engaged in this kind of scam."
Professor Olu Agbi said there were almost 140 million people in Nigeria and fewer than 0.1 per cent were involved.
140,000 scammers? Gee is that all? :P
People scammed by these scams are attempting to be criminals, even if they are not succeeding.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
They're like...trying to outlaw natural selection!
You are making more stupid people, please don't do it!
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western union is the most preferred means for these scamsters. filter or close WU for a few months - things will stop momentarily, until they shift to some other means of sending money!
this is of course a partial remedy
That the scams often are not proposing anything illegal. My latest two (all that I have in my trash bin currently) say that I've won a lottery and that there is an estate which I am due money from. Nothing illegal in the slightest about trying to collect money in either of those situations.
If these people were actively looking for opportunities to commit wire fraud, ok fine. However it is just unsavvy people getting duped. Often the offers are not at all illegal on the face of it, other times people might easily believe it's ok.
I get more than a little tired of the blame the victim mentality. Especially since many geeks are notoriously un-street smart and thus fall victim to some kinds of crime much easier than many other people.
The blame for this lies squarely on the people perpetrating these scams. Yes, it would be nice if people were better educated and didn't fall for it but guess what? Reality is not everyone is smart and even those that are smart aren't smart about every thing.
Sounds more to me like he is making excuses for the fraudsters. "Hey, they're only scamming greedy people! Since they're greedy anyway, how is it wrong to scam them?" That's pretty much the spiel scammers spout, rationalizing their crimes by saying that the victims were just as bad they are themselves.
I dream of a better world... one in which chickens can cross roads without their motives being questioned.
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http://www.adreinjones.com/
Its a pretty funny site, guy responds to spam emails and pretty much gets him to do whatever he wants...pictures, voicemail, etc
I don't know why Enormoushop.com is taking so long... I gave them all the info they requested!
Great point, Talkischeap! Except that either you have a very unique name or are just as anonymous as I am. Well, you spooks do tend to have some pretty funky names like Tyrone or Barack.
In many of these nigerian scams, the scamster persuades the mark to commit an illegal act. Although punishment for the victims is morally justifiable in these circumstances, I think that the loss of significant money is probably sufficient chastisement.
There is a huge difference in helping out someone at payday and helping a suspected criminal bypass the law. If one of those check cashing operations was helping the Mob handle their transactions they'd get stung for money laundering.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
Mea culpa
So sorry to slight you.
But considering how rude you are pointing out my mistake, you really don't deserve an apology.
Oh, and mister perfect... I'm fucking amerikan, so I misinterpreted your Australian slang, big fucking deal, have a cow about man.
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Their whole nation in mired by these scams. I would never trust a nigerian even if he was trustworthy.
while greed itself isn't a crime, I can't help but wonder how this nigerian "official" is benefiting from these scams.
After all, he is the nigerian high commissioner. He probably has a wonderful business opportunity for us.
They're using their grammar skills there.
Yes, my point was missed by most I'm sure...
I agree, we're all AC's, even with our user names, so my point was, even then, the racists are afraid to user their regular Slash Dot accounts.
I realize that we all have fairly traceable IP's, do they?
Oh, and you AC are a racist baiter, but it doesn't work with me nigger (whatever color you really are, since the racist disease is all in your mind).
And just how did you manage with your room temperature I.Q. to "out" me as black?
That would sure as hell surprise my friends
Go back to your mommas basement.
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As much money is lost, perhaps it's time to consider military action. Given that they're attempting to hide behind a corrupt jurisdiction and they will not clean house, justification exists. That, and it provides another base of operations that isn't taken by China.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Oh crikey!
Have you never worked in the white collar world?
Most of the people there are fucking coasting!
Work ethic, BAH!
Sure, blame it on the poor, it's easy, they can't defend themselves.
Way to go buster.
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Oooh, I just got my first scam the other day!:
Dear XXXXXXXX,
I am Aziz Mohd Hossein, a legal practitioner with Hossein & Associates in Malaysia with many years of practice.
I was an attorney to a deceased client of mine who died in Kuala Lumpur , Malaysia of a heart related disease in 2001. My reason of sending you this email is to help secure the funds left behind by my client before it is confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank.
This fund is valued at 19 Million dollars as per the bank statement. Since you do have the same surname With my late client, I would want to present you as the legitimate beneficiary with all legal documents required to back the claim up.
The holding bank has issued me a notice to contact the next of kin, or the Account will be confiscated, and so far, all my efforts to get hold of someone related to this man has proved abortive.
This is my proposal; I am asking for your consent to present you to the bank as the next-of-kin and beneficiary of my late client, since you have the same last name, so that the proceeds of this account can be paid to you. Then we can share the amount on a mutually agreed-upon percentage.I do have a good standing in Malaysia , it is my assurance that this transaction will be successful and that I will make sure that the transaction is done within the applicable laws to guarantee full legitimacy.
All legal documents to back up your claim as my client's next-of-kin will be provided by me. All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us see this transaction through.This will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law. However, if this business proposition offends your moral values, do accept my apology.
Please contact me as soon as possible to indicate your interest. Do understand that this transaction do require utmost confidence and you should keep this mail to yourself not withstanding if you are rejecting the transaction or accepting it.
However,if this business proposition offends your moral ethics,do accept my sincere apology.If on the contrary you wish to achieve this goal with me, kindly get back to me with your interest immediately for further details.
Best regards,
Respectfully,
Aziz Mohd Hossein (ESQ)
I just loved how he didn't even name the deceased guy on which the entire case is based, probably just easier to copy/paste for the next target...
Congratulations, I think you just hit the flamebait jackpot.
Still doesn't excuse all the spam they send out.
and wtf? "so-called Nigerian scams"
Why are people so quick to heap abuse on the victims? "If you're so dumb, you DESERVE to be ripped off." Jail them. Idiots.
Talk about kicking people when they're down. What the fuck is the matter with you people? Have some compassion. Yes, they should have known better, and often times break the law. But if you're dumb enough to think you might be getting money from nigeria, you MIGHT not be smart enough to realize what they're asking you to do is against the law
Furthermore, no one DESERVES to be stolen from.
I do NOT think that scam VICTIMS need to be jailed, whether they are greedy or not.
Yes, you'd have to be a total numbskull to believe some of the stories that scammers use. But if you read the next paragraph, you'll see that even someone who isn't "stupid" can be fooled. Ridiculous and obvious scams come with stories that your uncle's long-lost twin (separated at birth) who lived in Zimbabwe and ran a diamond mine just died in a tragic car accident and you were the only beneficiary in his will, please email over your bank account number and routing info, or that Nigeria's silicon tycoon needs to transfer a billion dollars to a company in the United States but due to some extremely complicated circumstances related to a jacked up political climate, they need to park the funds in the bank account of someone who is trustworthy and you came highly recommended, and they'll leave you 1% of the money as a fee for your troubles (that comes out to ten million bucks), please email us your bank account number, routing info, a photocopy of your driver license and passport, etc., etc., etc., well, all I can say is that if you actually believe any of this shit, you need to be educated. Read about the so-called 419 Scam among others. Yes, you'd have to be "greedy" to fall for such a scam. Should you be jailed? No. You're still the victim of a crime.
Some scams sound more realistic than the ones above. For example, I once received an email bearing a friend's email address as the "From:" address and claiming that he had lost his passport and/or wallet while on vacation in Africa, and due to complications with the local authorities, he needed to borrow $1000 to pay some fine and get out of jail (money which he would supposedly pay back upon returning home). I called my friend on the phone and it turned out that he was safe and sound here at home, not in Africa. Someone had jacked his email password or otherwise hacked into his email account. Apparently, everyone in his address book received such an email. This is the type of scam that even discerning people could fall for. You have to be really, really, really careful not to fall for some of this stuff.
McCain/Palin '08. Now THAT's hope and change!
And money laundering is money laundering.
Were the scam 'real', the 'victim' would be guilty of multiple felonies.
That's the only REAL difference here. If you ACTUALLY helped wire a few million out of an African country, you'd be a criminal. But if you fall for someone else PRETENDING that you're helping wire said money, then you're a victim.
A few thousand dollars lost to a scam is a small price to pay when the alternative is that it's NOT a scam and you get to spend a few years in prison instead.
paintball
Apparently you spend too much time in your mommas basement playing fragging games, to notice that the former USA has been pretty much a proto fascist state for some time now.
I didn't happen to have a flag that I could hang upside down to show the distress my country is in.
Therefore, my "incorrect" spelling.
I'll bet you feel real superior insulting people for their speling mistakes, what a "man" you must be!
You don't have a clue about the US educational system, idiot troll.
And YES!, racist bastards piss me off!
How come you tolerate them?
Perhaps you are one of them, eh?
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I don't see what it has to do with being poor. Some of our richest and most well known public figures are unashamed bogans.
Examples: Shane Warne (cricketer), Lleyton Hewitt (tennis player), etc, etc.
note: Steve Irwin. Bushman. Not a bogan. Crikey.
http://www.xkcd.com/354/
Who said that bribery of Nigerian gov/person in Nigeria is a crime under Australian law? Australia doesn't have signed extradition agreement with Nigeria!
However, that also means that Nigerians can legally rob Australians (I don't think those doing that care, anyway).
Apparently you don't have a handle on the Australian slang word "bogan", because it appears to me that it refers to the working poor.
"Bogan From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogan The term bogan (pronounced /bogn/, rhyming with slogan) is Australian and New Zealand English slang, usually pejorative, for a person who is, or is perceived to be, of a lower-class background. According to the stereotype, the speech and mannerisms of "bogans" indicate, poor education, cheap clothing and uncultured upbringing. 'Bogans' usually reside in economically disadvantaged suburbs (often outer metropolitan) or rural areas[1]."
I believe it's the part about "economically disadvantaged", i.e. "poor", that may explain it for you.
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Someone is using logic on Slashdot!
"You're both emotional as hell."
So glad that you noticed...
Racism should never be tolerated it's total bullshit espoused only by the most ignorant of idiots to ever walk this earth.
And it's ever so easy for a "strong willed" individual to lead those idiots to do their cowardly bidding.
If YOU don't stand up to racism, then you are a tacit racist!
Just look to WW2 Germany for an extreme example of "saying nothing" against racism/fascism.
I could give a crap about your fucking "statics", that's a canard to cloud the real issue of fighting racism as it happens.
I my town, whites commit 90% of the rapes, so using "statics", in my town whites are bad?
Statics can't justify racism, no matter how many you throw at us.
If it don't GO... chrome it. ~ Frank Banks
Sorry, mate.. I happen to live here. Note the use of the word 'our' in my previous post. Turns out that there's this process of euphemism and dysphemism.
Btw: it's hard to tell in this thread, but i'm not trying to antagonize. Australia's cultural position is really interesting. Our 'culture' issues are, in some ways, on the same level as our 'race' issues, with the caveat that it's sometimes unclear which cultural group an individual identifies with.
While the term Bogan may have once been used in the way you describe, it's certainly not accurate now. It refers far more strongly to a set of beliefs and behaviors than a distinct social group.
http://www.xkcd.com/354/
Gee, I would have fallen for this except for the warm lager. You must be thinking of the British!
I apologize for being so strident when I'm "hot".
So how about being a good sport and "adjusting" the wiki to reflect that, so's us ignorant americans can understand better?
If it don't GO... chrome it. ~ Frank Banks
Sometimes they have really good sob stories and want your help to open an orphanage or whatever. It's definitely always stupidity, but not always greed.
Yeah, it's not like the parent article is real important, same old boring /. jokes, yawn.
Calling out racism is way more fun!
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It's a difficult set of characteristics to cleanly define, unfortunately.. I'll do what i can when i have the time to do it properly, since i expect that it'll be debated at least as much as it has been here.
http://www.xkcd.com/354/
As I am multiracial, I guess being a racist would also require that I be self-loathing.
For the record, I don't tolerate them; however, until Slashdot sees fit to actually do something about the all-too-common and overt racist, sexist, homophobic, fascist, and religiously dogmatic comments present in every batch of comments, I see no reason to give them a greater audience by engaging them.
The one thing you don't do with a troll is tell them they're wrong. It only encourages them to be more wrong.
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I agree completely. It's clear that most if not all of these scam letters ask to participate in a crime. Typically stealing money from the UN or other organization. Taking part makes anyone a member of the criminal gang and they should go to jail.
"I'm not misusing statistics, like your counter-example is."
While I'll agree that my counter example was totally weak, I now feel the need to point out your incongruities as well.
You show us the example: "White on black rapes are often in the single digits, per year.".
Which proves what?
It's a statistic all by itself, and can be use any way one wants, it proves nothing.
Why don't you provide the statistics that show how many white men date black women, I'll betcha it reflects your "statistic" (i.e. not many) because white men don't date black women as a general rule, so rapes will follow that curve as well.
Hey, I'm kinda liking this statistic thingy.
Oh, so when looking deeper, that makes your argument a straw man as well.
Touche.
I'll be back to spar with you after I finish washing my dinner dishes.
If it don't GO... chrome it. ~ Frank Banks
If I might intercede in this flamefest to say that (I'm Australian), I think the wikipedia article is wrong - it may have started out that way but Bogan these days refers to a lifestyle rather than to a economic class.
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"If whites in your town commit 90% of the rapes, and they're 90% of the population, it's to be expected. If whites in your town commit 90% of the rapes and they're less than half of the population, it's a sign that something is seriously fucked up. I'd say that the whites in this hypothetical town need to figure out why their youth has such a tendency towards rape."
There ya go jumping to conclusions that aren't reflected in the real world.
My town has 7,500 people in it, and has roughly a rape every two months, what do your statistics say about that?
Is my town "seriously fucked up", like you say?
Did you even check the statistics before you judged mine?
Uh, no.
I don't understand you, first you tout statistics, then you make broad sweeping judgments about my town without first checking the statistics of the incidence of rape in towns before you judged mine?
Tell you what, you can dis my town after you find the statistics that prove it.
If it don't GO... chrome it. ~ Frank Banks
Pull you head in mate.
War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, the lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade.- Shelley
Awww, crap, I missed your italics...
No excuse, I'm lame sometimes.
I have no umbrage with you, I apologize.
If it don't GO... chrome it. ~ Frank Banks
To do nothing about overt racism under the guise of apathy, makes you a tacit racist.
It's not the nanny states job to stop racism or Slash Dot's, it's yours, and mine, and everybody's who cares about humanity.
Quick, while a few are still alive, find a WW2 concentration camp survivor, talk to them about what it was like before Hitler came to power, they acted just like you.
If rapes followed that curve, there were still be a lot more than TEN of them per year.
Nope, see above. And if it did, it would only be one point out of several. The points dealing with other crimes, and with rape in general, would still stand.
The black crime rate is definitely higher. The real debate should be about why, but that can't happen until enough people admit the former. The few who do admit it generally want to blame it on the income gap or a revenge motive (which I shot down in my first post). Others try to avoid talking about whenever they can because "it helps the racists"
It's past 2 AM where I am. If you want to continue tomorrow through email or some IM system, let me know.
Instead of jailing marks who fall for this crap howabout a system which reviews the trap they fell into if it comes under the heading of "Only an idiot" would fall for this then the next time they touch a computer 20KVa gets whacked down the line to them and the same to the orginator of the spam.
Result: One less idiot, one less spammer. Average IQ of world goes up :)
(And same goes for people who respond to the I am your bank and have lost all your details please tell me them again emails - if they've lost all the details how do they know to email you ;> )
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They hung out on web discussion forums and said, "Don't feed the trolls?"
Seriously?
You think that replying to Slashdot trolls is being proactive in this world with regard to racism?
Seriously?
We're in worse shape than I thought.
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"We're in worse shape than I thought."
Apparently you're too well entertained to notice.
So because they can't be asked to put some laws and enforcement in place to catch criminals in a decent fashion (i.e. the model the UK is also heading for) they recommend jailing the victims instead. Well, yes, they're easier to find I guess.
Well, it gives you at least an idea WHY the problem persists. Which such noobs at the helm there isn't any chance of improvement soon.
The problem is that putting the victim in jail also causes problems for freedoms and can have wide reaching affects to other parts of the law.
Face it. The victim is someone who is; "a fool and his money are soon parted".
That should be enough. He ain't gonna get it back once it leaves the country.
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The fact still stands that any simple moral analysis of the state of the 'victims' showed that they conspired to defraud either a sovereign state or certain inhabitants of one - and lost out as a result.
Honesty in these cases would have saved them their losses
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
"You really trust wikipedia as a source?"
Mmm, lets see now...
I'm wrong for not knowing what a local Australian slang word means.
I'm wrong for not looking it up promptly on Google.
Now I'm wrong because I looked it up, and the most definitive thing I could find is on the wiki.
And according to you, it's incorrect?
Well, fix it then, or Piss off, because to take umbrage with someone who doesn't have all the facts makes you look stupid.
Yes, i saw letters which were about smuggling money out of Nigeria, and some which were about literally laundering money which came from a botched bank robbery.
People who fell for these DESERVE the punishment.
If those cases were real and they caught, they would sit in prison.
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What about
LOTTERY SCAMS
INTERNET AUCTION FRAUD
PHISHING AND PHARMING FOR IDENTITY THEFT
PASSIVE RESIDUAL INCOME" SCAMS
CHECK (COUNTERFEIT) FRAUDS
WORK-AT-HOME SCAMS
Advanced fee fraud scams are miniscule (2.2%) in comparison to other forms of fraud online.
More people are getting ripped off on ebay/craigslist in a week, than a year via 419.
The bulk of internet fraud comes from our backyard. 2 countries represent 75% of all internet fraud
United States: 60.9 percent
United Kingdom: 15.9 percent
I would rather get an email from nigeria, atleast i can avoid those, than have my bank account/identity taken by the latest phishing scheme by someone from the us/uk/china/Romania etc..
I didn't happen to have a flag that I could hang upside down to show the distress my country is in.
Would that work with the Stars and Stripes? It works with the Union Jack because the St Patrick's Cross segments are offset a little, so flying it upside down makes only a subtle change, sending a covert distress message. I think either the American flag or Australian flag would be too obvious if flown upside down.
The legitimate companies in Nigeria aren't a big proportion of the populace but do most (even if you include the scam "income") of the international money transactions.
Which you want to disrupt.
The forms of the scams I have seen are asking you to help transfer funds of a deceased person by pretending to be their heir. It is a blatantly dishonest thing to do. So at least for that form of the scam, I have zero sympathy for the people who lose thousands of dollars.
On the other hand these scams might make up a significant percentage of Nigeria's GDP, so the position that government officials have on the issue is suspect.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
it's just that there are more dishonest people and they are less likely to go to the police with righteous indignation and a complaint.
Yeah, it's unbelievable that a Nigerian government official would deign to notice the problem.
But it's a damned good idea, because the victims who volunteer to help, for example, supposed bank employees embezzle funds are themselves attempting to commit fraud. Which is a crime. For which they should be punished.
This is the nigerian scam we are talking about, the grand-daddy of them all AND the scam would involve the "victim" commiting fraud. This is illegal.
Let me try this on you.
Say a drug dealer sell you 1 kg of cocaine. Are you then a criminal and deserve to go to jail?
Now say that drug dealer is a scammer and sells you a bag of baking powder instead. You however think it is cocaine, would you go to jail for this?
Probably not, because it is NOT a crime to buy baking powder for an insane price. Morally? Maybe, after all, you thought you were dealing in drugs.
But with the nigerian scam you tend to actually have to attempt to commit a crime, fraud to get it all going.
Do you think people who buy "cheap" goods that are obviously stolen should be done for receiving?
The nigerian guy is just upset that this scam is giving his country a bad rep when the victims are hardly victims but instead people who in their greed were ready to defraud the nigerian goverment. Let us not forget what the scam is, these "victims" were ready to steal millions from a 3rd world nation.
Not everyone who falls for a scam deserves sympathy.
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You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
Agreed.
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Newsflash... Greedy man enters Nigerian scam, looses money. If he thinks he will be charged with something leading to imprisonment, he will _never_ go to the Police reporting the scam. No crime here move along! Guess the scammers will be happy!
e.g. the length of time a victim retains his money is inversely proportional to his foolishness.
Everybody is at least a little foolish, some of the time. It follows that everybody will be scammed, sooner or later. Sooner if you are credulous and naive, later if you are skeptical and well informed.
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My town has 7,500 people in it, and has roughly a rape every two months, what do your statistics say about that?
Is my town "seriously fucked up", like you say?
Yes... it REALLY is, and no statistics are necessary... 7500 people, with a rape every 2 months? That's very very scary.
I have faith that if I pray hard to God then Bill Gates will keel over and die.
I'm not committing any crime, I'm not even doing anything that will lead to any crime, but I believe I might be facilitating one, so that must be at least mans-laughter or something, amirite you fascist cunt?
This guy sounds like a crook himself! Oh, we shouldn't do anything about it! You guys shouldn't fall for it! This is the typical sort of response you'd expect from the criminals after being caught. Throw this guy in jail, please!
I'm guessing its like the US health system. Guess you couldn't afford an education?
You should come here, we look after our citizens with free education all the way through tertiary, free health care and government paid unemployment benefits. We also look after our migrants and minorities.
We also let the lower-class countries do most of the fighting for us. So, ya know, keep up the good work in the middle east.
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but you CAN give it a direction. I've said this a thousand times. There will always be people stupid/desperate/greedy enough to do something like this. Hell, two good friends of mine who I always thought were very intelligent fell victim to an Amway like scam. (Same company different name).
When I showed them all of the websites talking about the scam they realized what a big mistake was. At least they only lost $400. Most people who fall for this lose their life savings.
My mother is internet stupid. She's not a dumb person this is just alien to her. I showed her the power of google to answer her questions and now she uses it all the time to research businesses that she wants to work with. In fact, I think google helped her become Internet savvy.
I truly believe that people who fall for scams like this should be forced to serve time. Give them solid time to think about their actions and how society should be forced to help the Darwin award winners of today.
How does this help with the masses of people who try to rip you off with fake ebay accounts, etc? I know what you mean & I agree. But your way is not 100% secure.
Fucking Nigger always blame other people for their problem.
WOW, they are just like everybody else.
"... and lead us not into temptation" has the corollary "Thou shalt not tempt". In the Nigerian and Australian cases under discussion, I suppose it is somewhat debatable who is tempting whom.
go to http://www.sweetchillisauce.com/ this guy winds up the scammers all the way in, hilarious stuff. If more people did this, now that would slow the scammers! Jerry
Simply disable western union, paypal and wire money transfer to Nigeria, "cut" then off from online or untraceable money transfer.
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I agree. Stupidity is tolerated too much nowadays and now we have to have warnings that coffee is hot, winter is cold, and not to fold up the baby carriage with the child still inside. A little natural section can be good thing especially in a democratic society who is letting themselves be taken advantage of. However getting ripped off and humiliated by these scam artists is punishment enough . . . at least for now.
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Franklin
People would need to know that the law exists and that there's a penalty for it for there to be a deterrent effect.
As these people don't even seem to be aware that these are scams, and therefore aren't hearing stories about people getting sucked in by these scams, I kinda doubt they're going to hear stories about people getting thrown in jail over them either.
Greedy people with economic (and other) power...
you had me at #!
Because a great way to encourage potential investors in your country is to chastise people for being gullible enough to trust your country.
SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
Actually, that raises a good point. I wonder how many sites there are peddling illegal or borderline goods that don't delivery?
For example, I remember a joke (on a TV show or something) about billing a person for fetish items under "gentlemen's club inc" and then upon receiving complains, refunding them via a cheque from "men's assvibrators inc" or something of the like, on the premise that not everyone would be willing to walk into a bank and cash a cheque from that name.
Now, given the number of spams I've seen that advertise products that aren't only illegal to sell, but often to purchase (illegal pr0n etc), how many would be stupid enough to buy them, but wouldn't exactly be in a position to complain that "Illicit goods X" weren't properly delivered?
If it's so easy, why doesn't everyone own ILM?
If I have seen further it is by stealing the Intellectual Property of giants.
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I'm really disappointed at how successful this troll post was. So simple, and yet it garnered nearly 40 replies at the time I posted this.
It won't happen. They seem to want to compete with /b/ for that audience.
Obvious is the point. It's part of the traditional rules for flying the flag that flying it or hanging it upside down is a distress signal. We probably got that tradition from your country, after all.
That it's obvious rather than discreet (not really completely covert if it's hanging there for all to see) means it can signal farther away but that enemies of the state might notice it more quickly as well. It's a trade off.
If all you have left for signaling is a flag rather than an encrypted radio, clear signal radio, flare, spray paint, air horn, or signal mirror then you're probably needing help pretty quickly. You'll use the flag you have, even if it's not ideal for your situation. Using a GB flag in that way might get an American soldier's attention, but probably not an American civilian's. An American is much more likely to be carrying an American flag than the Union Jack, anyway.
So yeah, if discretion is called for then you're lucky to be a Brit. If a clear signal from farther away is called for, then the US or Australian flags work better. Russia and Germany would be in the same boat as the US if they use the same symbol (do they? how universal is this?). If you're French or Italian I guess you find a different way to signal distress.
Yes, you're wrong. They're not being ignorant bigots on the basis of skin color and ethnicity. They're being ignorant bigots on the basis of nationality and class standing and thinking it makes them better than other ignorant bigots.
Let them have their superiority complex. You're just helping them flood the thread. It's like trying to have a reasonable discussion with the Ku Klux Klan about a dark-skinned Catholic who is ethnically half Jewish. They have their point of view about the people they hate and you're not going to change it.
The biggest problem here is the Nigerian government. They are well aware that the 409 scams bring in millions of dollars a year into their economy, and is probably one of their biggest revenue streams for the country. Since they have little else to offer the world, they are not about to stop the money flow
VB is truly shit - I mean piss. You're better off with a Coopers for sure.
you had me at #!
But he was born in Spain, and actually knows how to cook.
you had me at #!
Sounds like the perfect temperature for Guinness/stout.
you had me at #!
Or have close relatives that do. Nearly everyone there is involved in some nefarious activity.
They're most likely already victims of Microsoft (the corporate criminal class).
you had me at #!
Well,I guess it's a strange sense of relief to realize that gov't. officials everywhere are microcephalic retards and it's not just limited to
the U.S. Republicrats. It's also interesting to note that from my only information about Nigerians(the scammers,the diplomat,warnings from health officials,news of muslim activities,etc.)that Nigeria is one big Darwin Award just waiting to happen.I would hope that isn't really so,but it re-enforces the idea that immigration control is a very good thing.
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... that some people regularly say "dumb" or "stupid" people get what they deserve, but they never mention anything about callous a-holes. Weird.
You know, there is a difference between trolling and pointing out the flaws in your reasoning. Just saying.
In the USA it's called Lobbying, or "Government Relations".
you had me at #!
Lock 'em up for their own safety, since they're obviously too dumb to live in the modern world unassisted.
Wow. Really?
You don't have a family member or friend that would/could fall for this? You don't know an 80+ year old that, new to all-things-Internet, may fall for a con?
Your statement, and that of the Nigerian "High Commissioner," are unfortunately typical of what happens often in society, we re-victimize the victim.
Just because somebody exhibits naivete or guilelessness does that make them fair game for cons?
Or if they wear a short skirt, responsible for their own rape?
Or "they should know better than to hike alone" so they're complicit in their own murder?
Though there's an obvious difference between the severity of these cases, the rationale is the same, and to me frankly is repugnant.
Crime victims have enough to contend with already.
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> If you're so dumb, you DESERVE to be ripped off.
We must make stupidity more painful.
I know that goes against everything the Democrats who run the government schools who trained you shoveled into your young skull full of mush, but it's the only way... for them and us. Understanding the wisdom in that one line will set you on the road to freeing your mind so please turn off the computer for a few minutes, put whatever music you do your best thinking to on the iPod and ponder it a few meinutes.
Democrat delenda est
As much as this this guy is a useless troll, i do love the fact that Slashdot loves free speech enough to let him be.
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Not while that "special relationship" with the USA exists (massive CIA bases on Australian soil, etc, etc).
you had me at #!
Why is Bill Gates dying "a crime"? If it happened right now, it would be about 30 years too late to do much good, but it's an inevitability, so I think you can relax, Mr A.C. When it happens, nobody's gonna come track you down.
you had me at #!
proof of motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, or absence of mistake or accident Not nearly as all-encompassing as it appears. Generally speaking, it can be submitted as evidence that you either
-Are experienced in performing said crime, you knew what you were doing, so it wasn't all just a crazy accident, and it wasn't a one-time heat of the moment thing, but rather a planned action (opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowlede, absense of mistake or accident)
-Are the person the prosecution says you are (eg John Doe, born 01/01/1970) (identity)
So basically, it doesn't help to prove that you did it at all... all it does is help to remove some specific affirmative defenses you might use. In other words, if it's well proven with other evidence that you murdered your wife, then evidence that you have murdered your last 5 wives may be admitted to eliminate your heat of passion defense.
Nigeria. President Bush, theres undisclosed wmd there and not to mention lots of sweet oil. Okay thats taken care of. Lol! just kidding...
If you get a call/email/cell call/whatever about your auto warranty expiring, they are most likely bogus.
They've been spamming me on my cell phone.
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rediculous.
Fuck that shit yo. Tyrone and da crew are gonna be rollin up to ya nice white house in the suburbs around 8pm. We gonna take turns getting into your sweet sweet ass. Big Al can't wait for shower time to begin. Bring your tears honky.
Clarification: "A stupid tax" is a phrase that is likely going to be expected to mean the same thing as "A tax which is ill advised." I deliberately chose the wording of "tax stupidity" because it is clear. EvanED is also clear, but missing the entire point.
Those who spend a dollar a week, or even five dollars a week, are not playing the lottery in a stupid fashion, nor are they the major contributors the the hosting state's income. It is the people I have seen buying tickets in significant numbers and the people sure that they "usually beat the odds" and the people who feel they are due who are playing in a stupid fashion. Those who purchase large numbers of tickets generally do so, not because it significantly increases their entertainment value, but because they believe they will have a better shot of winning. (They do not understand the actual numbers involved.) The people who "usually beat the odds" are the ones who forget the losses they incur over time. Those who feel they are due do not understand how statistics work nor for that matter really understand that the universe does not in fact revolve around them. These are the stupid who play the lotteries, and in a stupid fashion.
State funded lotteries do some good, in my state for example, most of the revenue goes into the "general fund" of which around 80% goes to the cost of state funded education. Most states actually use the income in their budgets which in turn saves them from having to raise revenue through additional or higher taxes. The income generated has essentially the same use as would traditional tax revenue, and since it comes mostly from stupid people, it is fair to call it a tax on the stupid.
The effect on society is one of segregating wealth on an index of intelligence. Is it good that stupidity should be punished? Certainly there is some merit in encouraging people to make good decisions, but at the same time, many people are not intelligent and seem to be unable to make wise decisions, not through their own lack of effort alone, but also because of their environment and because of their physical limitations. It is, in short, harder for some people to learn than others which is really a physical handicap rather than the choice usually assumed.
What society really benefits from is productive and self sufficient citizens, regardless of intellectual prowess. If you really want to see improvements in state income, find a way to tax the lazy for laziness (which is a choice and which is also rewarded once significant levels of dedication are reached.)
B) Eliminate all the stupid users. This is frowned upon by society.
That's what this is about. These scams are a significant part of the revenue for Nigeria and he's probably in on them. Nowadays, most of the scams aren't from people "ripping off the government" as claimed, but fake "mail-order bride" or "help me feed my starving children" claims.
These claims are beyond disingenuous. He's right is saying it's only a handful of people running theses scams. That's because they KNOW WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE. They're as recognizable in Nigeria as Al Capone was in Chicago. The authorities don't do anything to them because they ARE the authorities.
The proper response is to either:
A) Have the foreign office threaten Nigeria with sanctions if they don't enforce the laws and extradite scammers to Australia.
B) If Nigeria is unwilling to do A, send kidnappers to Nigeria to simply seize the criminals and take them back to Australia and/or shoot them on the spot.
Human stupidity can be fixed. Simple:
Kill adults who can not read. Kill adults who
can not do basic math.
Prohibit birth control. Require all fertile adults
to report for sperm donation or insemination if
they go 3 years without a birth.
From age 5 to 12, test kids several times a year.
Those who are bottom-ranked for several tests in
a row get executed. You set the bar such that the
total cull is well above 50%.
Average family: 8 to 16 kids born, 2 to 4 survive
Oh, and you AC are a racist baiter, but it doesn't work with me nigger
Well, it seems to have worked thus far
I'm all confused. When you say, "RTFA" does that mean, "Read The Featured Acticle?" Mayhap, "Realize The Futility of Acticulation?" Is it, "Render the Fat Albatross" Or, "Request that flatulences abound?"
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Another point worthy of note is, Bogans are proud to be bogans. Go rent The Castle. Australians myself included tend to be proud of our anti-heroes, we turned Ned Kelly and Chopper into heros, and we tend to idolize the Larrikin as part of our humour and national identity. Sometimes it's a slur, but no more so than the way we use terms like "cunt" as a term of endearment. Insults in Australia tend to be based more around the Taller poppies than the average Joes. Wasn't trying to bite your head off, but when people call us bigots for how we refer to ourselves in and amongst ourselves it seems a tad like the kettle and pot syndrome. There are the few that look down on bogans but bearing in mind they make up most of our population its narrow minded to take the instant view that its a term of derision. Just because you don't understand the relation doesn't mean it's an insult. Do you jump on African Americans when they drop the "N" bomb? Because that is what you guys are doing here.
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So when will we ever invade Nigeria and teach these a$$holes a lesson, and get all the stolen money back? I don't care how poor and frustrated they are, we shouldn't let them get away with this.