Are we talking about arrests using force or beating people up, because you know, there IS a difference.
I just do not understand why people have still not figured it out: it is the COPS job to know what to do and when. THEY are trained for it, THEY (should) know the law inside out and THEY must keep their cool
Not the junkie, nor anyone else.
If they cannot handle that, then they should seek other employment.
As long as the cops always get the reasonable doubt (if it ever even comes that far) and can basically do what they want, this will always be the result.
Back in the 80s we also travelled a lot to Hungary from Germany. We *never* had problems. They stopped us, asked for our passports and then just let us through. Though once on the way back they wanted to search the trailer, but when my dad explained with hands-and-feet it had to be unpacked, they just laughed any waived us through.
And all this during the cold war, with an American car, US military license plates, big arse NATO sticker and zero ability to communicate (they did not know German or English, we did not speak Hungarian or Russian).
Does 'Homeland security' not remind someone else of two infamous German organizations? Pseudo police with military weaponry and no real rulebook to follow and nothing to fear.
IIRC also in the US if you get a fine your insurance gets a note and your policy goes up.
In Germany f.i. that is not the case, your policy is only linked to your age, driving experience and how many accidents you had. Traffic violations can be penalized with fines, points against your license and revocation of the license for n months (after a certain level of violations). If you hit 18+ points you lose your license and have to redo it (expensive in Germany @ about € 1k+ (dunno current tariffs)) after a waiting period.
So someone's policy could be at 30% (really low) but have 15 points on his license (near losing it, not something that happens just like that).
I'd have to disagree and say you can increase the fines all you want, they won't change because it is not *them*.
People just don't see it as a problem. Just like speeding. It was not *their* fault... *They* never do it, *they* just had an emergency call, *they* can handle it, the cops just have to fill the city's/state's gold sack...
If I look at the penalties it is a friggn joke. Nothing more then a virtual slap on the hand of children running around with hammers in their hands. 'Jason, pls, don't hit Sam over the head with the hammer, or I'll raise my voice next time!' The kids do not see the errs of their ways.
Nice words won't stop them. Nor small fines. Make it hurt. ala 3 strikes your out.
And you honestly think your government does NOT do this?
The US Gov constantly said it is not doing any surveillance against the US populace but time and again the truth pops up (echelon, wiretaps). People hear it and seconds later act like they just had a deja-vous and totally forget about it. (this is a sickness known to all humans, regardless of race or nationality)
Just today the EFF filed a suite to get the government to explain what social sites they are scanning any why.
EVERY government that can, will.
You think they will just restrict themselves to the known criminals and leave themselves open from the flanks?
Do you know what little it would take to get the government on your trail?
How do you think so many people got put on the no-fly list? You know, like known terrorists such as former Senator Kennedy.
Fact is, the biggest threat to 'the establishment' (yeah I hate that word as well but it is not just the politicians were are talking about here) are the people.
'Just getting started'? On what planet do you live? Ever hear of Echolon? Oh, yeah, it is 'only' used against the 'enemy'... sure. If history has proven anything, it is that if there is a way, people will use it.
But you were nearly correct. The difference is that the Chinese know they are ruled by a group of people totally detached from the rest. Kinda like the 'homecoming queen'. You can vote for a select group of people you will never be a part of. Democracy only reaches up to the first level of the pyramid. The 'west' has not figured that one out yet.
I agree fully. This is just another arrogant jerk trying to label off people in a lame attempt to make themselves look good. Is this the only thing you can measure yourself against others with?
OMG, his spelling sucks, he must be such a baaad programmer.
Seriously, I've seen these kind basically have a discussion about the most ridiculous and redundant things. One I remember was 'should one write BR in an email and if so, would it show a sign of disrespect'. WTF?
Yea, my spelling sucks but I surely do not get paid all this money to write a friggn blog.
But there are some on the 'other side' of the spectrum like 'Just Cause' where you are fed the notion of 'leftist government dictator takeover with nuclear weapons' idea. IIRC the 2nd one was about North Korea and also nukes.
C&C had the 'good guys in camo driving humvees' fighting 'bad guys using chemical weapons'. I.e. instigating that the 'good guys' don't have anything to do with the 'bad guys', although IRL, it was the opposite. Also the concept of killing civilians is solely the deeds of bad guys. Again, IRL all do it.
Also games will place you on one distinct side and have you battling the 'bad guys', thus forcing the mindset of 'us good, them bad', regardless of the actual situation. F.i. the initially to be released 'Fall of Falluja'.
Often such game will follow along the ideology of the west and actually extend the psudo-'reality' popularity.
Games might not convince people, but a lie told often enough becomes the truth.
Especially if the ones pointing their massive arsenal of weapons at you and have proven often enough they will not hesitate to fabricate a lie in order to justify them using them.
'Odd airfield'? You have got to be kidding. It *only* took the US 50 years to even start the reduction of bases in Germany and there are still many left. And they are not 'odd airfield's but a military bases!
Plus the US will only leave after it has assured that the new Government will play the games it wants them to play. Leaving an army in the country sure is a friendly way of reminding everyone of that.
I think this is actually like any normal product in that you have the 'developers' (RMS) and 'managers' (Shuttleworth). Developers want to create new and shiny stuff and are great at comming up with new ideas. Managers have to guide a little, they know what is required and have to make sure the product is usable.
I think it can be a very good thing for all involved. Shuttleworth seems like a cool guy that is, at heart at least, a geek. But he *knows the market* and seems to know what is needed and how. And he is willing to help. I'd take Shuttleworth as a manager any day.
Seriously, did you read the article? The Soviets were not the agitators in this game. They built up their nuclear stockpile in retaliation to the buildup by the US. Then all seemed fair with MAD. But that was not enough for the paranoid hawks in the US because *everyone wants to destroy them* and they made every effort to increase their hand in the game.
The shield was in no way possible to stop a Soviet attack but, in case of a attack by the US that would weaken the Soviets, could reduce the threat even more. Basically shielding themselves from a retaliation attack. Not something you do when you are looking for peace.
As the article mentions, the StarWars system looked *exactly* like the pre-invasion buildup by the Germans, who were also just 'defending their borders'. If anyone knows where that led to, it was the Russians.
Personally I would like to see 'simple' black boxes installed in vehicles (where applicable) in order to do stuff like: * allow the crash to be reconstructed * in case of an accident it would send out SOS messages (if it is enough to make your airbag pop, I would consider it to be bad enough to send alerts)
Additional features could be added but they would require the system to be controlled from the outside. f.i. an 'stolen car' phone number you dial that causes the BB to go into 'car stolen' mode that fires out alerts. Or an opt-in/-out of a monitoring service, f.i. to track the kids when you lend them the car. But like I said, if you can do it, then others could do it as well.
Settlements: basically putting a gun to someone's head. This is how they actually hope to screw people over, by making them afraid they might get dragged into court and have the rest of their lives ruined because they downloaded a few songs, so the people will pay up most of the time, regardless of truth or not. The verdict even supports this now.
Playing games: If she lied to the court, then she should pay a penalty towards the state and *not* towards the plaintiff. The court is then only supporting the RIAA's mobster games.
Look at the 'withholding evidence from the defence' issue. Did the plaintiff get a penalty for that? No! Hey if we are going to play those games, let's not be picky about it.
The verdict should have looked at not what the plaintiff claims it lost, but what the defendent 'gained' by their actions. That is why dumping waste in rivers would be a much smaller fine if people did not get sick from it. The damages often awarded is because the people got sick, not because of the dumping. We all know that it is not the bad business practices or the crappy music the recording industry is trying to sell at ridiculous prices that are the reason why they are not earning as much as they think they should be earning. Nope, it's those darn file sharers.
@No other results ever possible: That is sadly true. As long as most people have the IT knowledge of a banana, it won't be any different. Plus if they buy the RIAA's *theft* argument, when it is more like copying a picture from a book. Try and convince a jury that copying pictures from an art book to hang in in your living room would mean you might get dragged into court and have a verdict of nearly 2 mil slapped against you, and you'd win every time.
A 'rouge nation'.. do you really believe the crap the government is selling you? Take a short look around the world and see who are the countries that have the most advanced tech and is on a conflict somewhere or threatening others with war, regime change or nuclear attacks all the time. You will see these are not the 'rouge nations'.
Do you honestly think it is not 'ubiquitous' because no US president is getting hit? Do you think it does not exist because you do not hear about it? This is not Hollywood.
An assassin need not have a rifle. A 'accident' here, a 'pinpoint attack on terrorist insurgents that turns out to be a horrible mistake' there or just support the right groups. Your hands are clean but the goal was meet. The problematic populace can be kept in the ignorance they love to wallow in.
Heck it could even be faked as in the case of the Ukrainian elections. The crap that went down there would be great stuff for a daily soap. But it was enough to convince the masses that the victim was the good guy. They bought it hook, line and sinker.
Look at what happened in Haiti after Bush took power. The (democratically elected) government of Haiti being an issue and a know target of regime change for the BushCo for quite some time. Bush takes power and all of a sudden rebel groups find tons of weapons. They take power, a new *government* is created and all the weapons are taken away again (so no one can topple that one again) in a 'peace keeping mission'.
I mean Clinton (IIRC) did publicly sign the covert plan to assassinate Saddam Hussein... the same guy they had supported all the years before.
We already have the times you fear, we just do not hear about them.
That is quite a blanket statement that ignores the details. As you correctly say, a trauma centre is basically the same as done by the medics in the field. But in this case the usage would not be restricted to the environment it is used in.
But a flying attack drone is not really something you need in civilian life, or?
You must also consider that the military programs often receive a heck of a lot more money for such specific research then you could allocate in a civilian case. Plus in the civilian populace have to fight with healthcare companies that don't want to pay for anything whereas the military wants to reduce it's losses and increase the losses of the other side.
Finally the statement that 'millions of lives have been saved because of the millions that were killed or maimed in war' is outright wrong. Millions in war have been killed because they were sent to war. Period. As mentioned, the military invests money to reduce the number of their losses. That this can also be used civilian domain was an added benefit, but was not the goal of the military.
So you cannot say the military is doing research for civilian use. They do it for themselves.
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Are we talking about arrests using force or beating people up, because you know, there IS a difference.
I just do not understand why people have still not figured it out: it is the COPS job to know what to do and when.
THEY are trained for it, THEY (should) know the law inside out and THEY must keep their cool
Not the junkie, nor anyone else.
If they cannot handle that, then they should seek other employment.
As long as the cops always get the reasonable doubt (if it ever even comes that far) and can basically do what they want, this will always be the result.
and you've gotta survive long enough to make it there.
This alone speaks volumes about the failure of the law in the US.
'innocent, only if you can survive long enough to have a jury grant it to you'.
Back in the 80s we also travelled a lot to Hungary from Germany. We *never* had problems. They stopped us, asked for our passports and then just let us through.
Though once on the way back they wanted to search the trailer, but when my dad explained with hands-and-feet it had to be unpacked, they just laughed any waived us through.
And all this during the cold war, with an American car, US military license plates, big arse NATO sticker and zero ability to communicate (they did not know German or English, we did not speak Hungarian or Russian).
Does 'Homeland security' not remind someone else of two infamous German organizations?
Pseudo police with military weaponry and no real rulebook to follow and nothing to fear.
Yeah, what could go wrong?
IIRC also in the US if you get a fine your insurance gets a note and your policy goes up.
In Germany f.i. that is not the case, your policy is only linked to your age, driving experience and how many accidents you had.
Traffic violations can be penalized with fines, points against your license and revocation of the license for n months (after a certain level of violations). If you hit 18+ points you lose your license and have to redo it (expensive in Germany @ about € 1k+ (dunno current tariffs)) after a waiting period.
So someone's policy could be at 30% (really low) but have 15 points on his license (near losing it, not something that happens just like that).
I'd have to disagree and say you can increase the fines all you want, they won't change because it is not *them*.
People just don't see it as a problem. Just like speeding. It was not *their* fault... ...
*They* never do it, *they* just had an emergency call, *they* can handle it, the cops just have to fill the city's/state's gold sack
If I look at the penalties it is a friggn joke. Nothing more then a virtual slap on the hand of children running around with hammers in their hands.
'Jason, pls, don't hit Sam over the head with the hammer, or I'll raise my voice next time!'
The kids do not see the errs of their ways.
Nice words won't stop them. Nor small fines.
Make it hurt. ala 3 strikes your out.
And you honestly think your government does NOT do this?
The US Gov constantly said it is not doing any surveillance against the US populace but time and again the truth pops up (echelon, wiretaps).
People hear it and seconds later act like they just had a deja-vous and totally forget about it.
(this is a sickness known to all humans, regardless of race or nationality)
Just today the EFF filed a suite to get the government to explain what social sites they are scanning any why.
EVERY government that can, will.
You think they will just restrict themselves to the known criminals and leave themselves open from the flanks?
Do you know what little it would take to get the government on your trail?
How do you think so many people got put on the no-fly list?
You know, like known terrorists such as former Senator Kennedy.
Fact is, the biggest threat to 'the establishment' (yeah I hate that word as well but it is not just the politicians were are talking about here) are the people.
'Just getting started'?
On what planet do you live? Ever hear of Echolon? Oh, yeah, it is 'only' used against the 'enemy'... sure.
If history has proven anything, it is that if there is a way, people will use it.
But you were nearly correct. The difference is that the Chinese know they are ruled by a group of people totally detached from the rest.
Kinda like the 'homecoming queen'. You can vote for a select group of people you will never be a part of.
Democracy only reaches up to the first level of the pyramid.
The 'west' has not figured that one out yet.
I agree fully.
This is just another arrogant jerk trying to label off people in a lame attempt to make themselves look good.
Is this the only thing you can measure yourself against others with?
OMG, his spelling sucks, he must be such a baaad programmer.
Seriously, I've seen these kind basically have a discussion about the most ridiculous and redundant things.
One I remember was 'should one write BR in an email and if so, would it show a sign of disrespect'. WTF?
Yea, my spelling sucks but I surely do not get paid all this money to write a friggn blog.
But you are not the 'right' kind of American... a very highly dynamic term used in such arguments.
BTW: how is NZ?
But there are some on the 'other side' of the spectrum like 'Just Cause' where you are fed the notion of 'leftist government dictator takeover with nuclear weapons' idea.
IIRC the 2nd one was about North Korea and also nukes.
C&C had the 'good guys in camo driving humvees' fighting 'bad guys using chemical weapons'.
I.e. instigating that the 'good guys' don't have anything to do with the 'bad guys', although IRL, it was the opposite.
Also the concept of killing civilians is solely the deeds of bad guys. Again, IRL all do it.
Also games will place you on one distinct side and have you battling the 'bad guys', thus forcing the mindset of 'us good, them bad', regardless of the actual situation.
F.i. the initially to be released 'Fall of Falluja'.
Often such game will follow along the ideology of the west and actually extend the psudo-'reality' popularity.
Games might not convince people, but a lie told often enough becomes the truth.
The first act of terrorism in Trans-Palestina (or whatever it was called) was done by the Jewish radicals against the British occupiers.
Just so we are clear that they never had a problem with it either.
Especially if the ones pointing their massive arsenal of weapons at you and have proven often enough they will not hesitate to fabricate a lie in order to justify them using them.
Plus the shooting down of a civilian airliner by the US.
Plus the US supported Iraqi (guess who's favourite bad guy was in charge?) war with Iran.
Yeah, them Iranians are really bloodthirsty bastards.
'Odd airfield'? You have got to be kidding.
It *only* took the US 50 years to even start the reduction of bases in Germany and there are still many left.
And they are not 'odd airfield's but a military bases!
Plus the US will only leave after it has assured that the new Government will play the games it wants them to play.
Leaving an army in the country sure is a friendly way of reminding everyone of that.
I think this is actually like any normal product in that you have the 'developers' (RMS) and 'managers' (Shuttleworth).
Developers want to create new and shiny stuff and are great at comming up with new ideas.
Managers have to guide a little, they know what is required and have to make sure the product is usable.
I think it can be a very good thing for all involved. Shuttleworth seems like a cool guy that is, at heart at least, a geek. But he *knows the market* and seems to know what is needed and how. And he is willing to help.
I'd take Shuttleworth as a manager any day.
Seriously, did you read the article?
The Soviets were not the agitators in this game. They built up their nuclear stockpile in retaliation to the buildup by the US.
Then all seemed fair with MAD. But that was not enough for the paranoid hawks in the US because *everyone wants to destroy them* and they made every effort to increase their hand in the game.
The shield was in no way possible to stop a Soviet attack but, in case of a attack by the US that would weaken the Soviets, could reduce the threat even more.
Basically shielding themselves from a retaliation attack.
Not something you do when you are looking for peace.
As the article mentions, the StarWars system looked *exactly* like the pre-invasion buildup by the Germans, who were also just 'defending their borders'.
If anyone knows where that led to, it was the Russians.
Personally I would like to see 'simple' black boxes installed in vehicles (where applicable) in order to do stuff like:
* allow the crash to be reconstructed
* in case of an accident it would send out SOS messages (if it is enough to make your airbag pop, I would consider it to be bad enough to send alerts)
Additional features could be added but they would require the system to be controlled from the outside.
f.i. an 'stolen car' phone number you dial that causes the BB to go into 'car stolen' mode that fires out alerts.
Or an opt-in/-out of a monitoring service, f.i. to track the kids when you lend them the car.
But like I said, if you can do it, then others could do it as well.
So if a superhero was able to trap another superhero in something they could not escape from, that would be 'exploiting world mechanics'?
Batman get's teleported right in front of a raging TGW (high speed tain) ... that would also be 'exploiting world mechanics'?
The Joker get's teleported into the burn chamber (or whatever it is called) of a nuclear plant ... that would also be 'exploiting world mechanics'?
So any action that might lead one side actually winning a confrontation by a nearly sure-fire method is considered exploiting?
BTW: if you do not want to get killed in PVP, don't enter PVP areas.
Might be the reason they are not called 'teletubbie areas'.
Settlements:
basically putting a gun to someone's head.
This is how they actually hope to screw people over, by making them afraid they might get dragged into court and have the rest of their lives ruined because they downloaded a few songs, so the people will pay up most of the time, regardless of truth or not.
The verdict even supports this now.
Playing games:
If she lied to the court, then she should pay a penalty towards the state and *not* towards the plaintiff.
The court is then only supporting the RIAA's mobster games.
Look at the 'withholding evidence from the defence' issue. Did the plaintiff get a penalty for that? No! Hey if we are going to play those games, let's not be picky about it.
The verdict should have looked at not what the plaintiff claims it lost, but what the defendent 'gained' by their actions.
That is why dumping waste in rivers would be a much smaller fine if people did not get sick from it. The damages often awarded is because the people got sick, not because of the dumping.
We all know that it is not the bad business practices or the crappy music the recording industry is trying to sell at ridiculous prices that are the reason why they are not earning as much as they think they should be earning.
Nope, it's those darn file sharers.
@No other results ever possible:
That is sadly true. As long as most people have the IT knowledge of a banana, it won't be any different.
Plus if they buy the RIAA's *theft* argument, when it is more like copying a picture from a book. Try and convince a jury that copying pictures from an art book to hang in in your living room would mean you might get dragged into court and have a verdict of nearly 2 mil slapped against you, and you'd win every time.
A 'rouge nation' .. do you really believe the crap the government is selling you?
Take a short look around the world and see who are the countries that have the most advanced tech and is on a conflict somewhere or threatening others with war, regime change or nuclear attacks all the time.
You will see these are not the 'rouge nations'.
Do you honestly think it is not 'ubiquitous' because no US president is getting hit?
Do you think it does not exist because you do not hear about it?
This is not Hollywood.
An assassin need not have a rifle. A 'accident' here, a 'pinpoint attack on terrorist insurgents that turns out to be a horrible mistake' there or just support the right groups. Your hands are clean but the goal was meet.
The problematic populace can be kept in the ignorance they love to wallow in.
Heck it could even be faked as in the case of the Ukrainian elections. The crap that went down there would be great stuff for a daily soap.
But it was enough to convince the masses that the victim was the good guy. They bought it hook, line and sinker.
Look at what happened in Haiti after Bush took power. The (democratically elected) government of Haiti being an issue and a know target of regime change for the BushCo for quite some time.
Bush takes power and all of a sudden rebel groups find tons of weapons. They take power, a new *government* is created and all the weapons are taken away again (so no one can topple that one again) in a 'peace keeping mission'.
I mean Clinton (IIRC) did publicly sign the covert plan to assassinate Saddam Hussein... the same guy they had supported all the years before.
We already have the times you fear, we just do not hear about them.
That is quite a blanket statement that ignores the details.
As you correctly say, a trauma centre is basically the same as done by the medics in the field.
But in this case the usage would not be restricted to the environment it is used in.
But a flying attack drone is not really something you need in civilian life, or?
You must also consider that the military programs often receive a heck of a lot more money for such specific research then you could allocate in a civilian case.
Plus in the civilian populace have to fight with healthcare companies that don't want to pay for anything whereas the military wants to reduce it's losses and increase the losses of the other side.
Finally the statement that 'millions of lives have been saved because of the millions that were killed or maimed in war' is outright wrong.
Millions in war have been killed because they were sent to war. Period.
As mentioned, the military invests money to reduce the number of their losses. That this can also be used civilian domain was an added benefit, but was not the goal of the military.
So you cannot say the military is doing research for civilian use. They do it for themselves.
Oh please.
I thought we already had 'smart bombs'? *buzz*
The old drones do pinpoint strikes.. *buzz*
This is just getting more and more ridiculous.
The part of the article everyone is overlooking is where the strikes keep hitting the *wrong* friggn people!
How often is a 'surgical strike against a terrorist stronghold' then actually turns out to be a school or a house or a wedding.
Fact is, if you do not know who you are shooting at, you are committing a war crime.
Oh wait, that only counts for the other side. *facepalm*
Often it is enough for the target to be *presumed* to be at a location for the bombs to be dropped.
Maybe also because it was then about defending your home & country.
Isn't that the lie of war? Both sides defending themselves against the other side?