I would tend to agree with you that it is not directly the testing teams fault. They can only react upon what has been developed.
If I have a cleaning lady, do I check every corner, under every rug and in each bin to see if they did their job correctly? The first time probably and react upon this, depending on the outcome. In the ideal situation you might later just do casual inspections.
From my experience the quality is often simply pushed off to the testers because 'they have to test it anyway', when IMHO the testers are the final quality gate before the customers. I have even had situations where testers were so busy 'finding' (not really had to look hard to find them) idiotic bugs that *anyone* could have seen and when they finally got around to the deeper and more critical bugs, we were already past our deadlines.
I would not blame the testers for issues they missed. If anything they would get a glancing blow from the slap the developer gets. The only requirement I'd have is that we find out how it was missed and how we can improve.
IMHO quality starts at the bottom: the single coder and goes all the way up. F.i. Jr developers need closer supervision ('normal') developers are subjected to occasional reviews. these have proven to have improved the quality of their work. lead developers (who could do the reviews and supervision of those above) have proven their reliability and might only have to answer to architectural reviews.
Yes, even if the code is perfect you could still have different problems but these would be issues for the architects.
I even go as far as to demand proof that a bug is not inside someone's component.
Paying for grades is like paying for sex. The will only do it for the money then.
In my day a *loosening of my fathers belt* really helped me to see why getting good grades is the best thing to do. When that no longer worked, they gave me a feel for what it would mean to not be good in school and get a good education: I had to work at a fast food place on my vacations and they stripped me of about 75%. (as a parent now I'd say 'what? only 75%?') During my apprenticeship I also had to work on construction sites... in the winter. Though I still sucked in school (my dyslexia was never recognized thanks to a bad school system) those did motivate me. Not that I disrespect the people that are doing the jobs, but I'd rather work my arse off for acceptable pay in a cube then to do that work again.
Though if the crap hit the fan, I would have no problem doing the jobs again.
We should motivate our children to get the jobs *they* want to get. The higher your education the more possibilities you have. Yes, you can still work yourself up from the bottom (I did) but it is a *lot* of work and you have to prove yourself time and time again. Not to mention that, while the glory of the 'self made man' might be high, the numbers tend to be horribly low.
Not to mention who knows if they will be there when we get there. Plus all the things that could go wrong in between. 'Hey Bob, did we forget to Gas up at AlphaCentarui?'
And that is only if we know where we are going. IIRC Sagen once compared the density in space is like if there were only two Bees over Europe. If you are committing to a nearly 4k year journey, you better know that someone will be home.
You should use the envy packages (universe: envyng-core & envyng-gtk or envyng-qt), then install the drivers with the util and then set up your monitors via the nvidia settings dialog.
Anyone ever see how these people were treated? Kidnapped, beaten, shackled, hooded and ear-muffed, tied down like hogs for entire duration of the transfer to Guantanamo to be subjected to the hospitality of people looking to 'give back for 9/11'.
Hey, sorry for all that. I hope you do not take that torture stuff personal. It was just an innocent mistake. Can happen to anyone, right? Anyone could mistake a 13 year old child for a terrorist, right? So lets keep this quiet and everything will be ok. We both know how dangerous it is in your country and how accidents can happen... a wedding here, a 'smart bomb' there...
Naturally we can all rely 100% on the claims by the military that Guantanamo is some kind of resort for bad boys. They won't let anyone in and those that they do have to agree not to say anything or else they would not be let back in again. Plus they would never lie to us, right?
Actually (IIRC), while only one country has an embargo, they do have this interesting restriction that any company that deals with Cuba will not be allowed to deal with them.
I still hope a country like India or China will call the bluff and open direct trade with Cuba. Like the US pull through with their threats and cut off China or India.
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And this is different then the way it is now?
Read up on the number of reporters that got killed 'accidentally' in war zones like Iraq or Afghanistan.
At least with such a contraption such 'accidents' can be covered up a lot better.
Oh please. We are talking about the military. Aka politicians in camo.
That was the justification given by the US military to use it's new toy.
Where did they get these numbers from? Guesses, presumptions? Or that they knew they could sell their product this way best? A win-win situation... at least for the US military and politicians.
Claim your weapon will save million of US lives and you can do pretty much anything. Now you have an alibi every fool will take at face value.
Kinda like what Powell did at the UN hoping to get backing from the UN.
It was a lie that got them what they wanted and they will do it every chance they get.
Yeah, let's be optimistic and just ignore that the people of Iraq did not vote for the man the US wanted to have.
Not like in Afghanistan where the 'President' was a man from the Bush.Co. Mafia that was 're-elected' by the 'people' (who will do what their local warlord tells them to do, and they want to keep their poppy plants that the 'President' promised to leave alone if they support him).
Wasn't it Bush Jr himself that said 'you cannot have 'free' elections in an occupied country'?
You were told by someone close to the government who told you information you wanted to hear.
Everyone was telling you that curveball was full of carp.
Nothing of what was claimed was found. No WMDs, no mobile labs, no underground supercomplexes, no rockets that could be launched to europe. Nothing, nada.
And if that were not enough, your government came up with the YellowCake scam.
Oh wait, you did find some stuff: Some 20yr old shells that still contained traces of chemical weapons. But that was from the time the US were selling weapons to Iraq. Plus some chemical suits that had US markings on them.
Strange that 'we' initially did not have a problem that Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Read up on your history and you would see that 'our' government actually said it was none of our concern.
Something like 'hey it's not our concern'. Remember, Saddam was still 'our' friend back then. Killing millions of Iraqis, Iranians and gassing the Kurds did not deter 'our' friendship.
Naturally 'we' did a 180 when 'we' somehow saw that this could be used to further 'our' goals. 'We' did 'our' typical fabrication of 'evidence' and made up a reason to 'liberate' them.
Reminds me of all the 'Gangstas' out there that use it as their defining point and make sure the entire world knows about it.
Same with the 'Pimps', 'Playaz', 'Gigolos', 'Sistas' or 'Redneck-Ted-Nugent-loving-Truckdrivers' or 'Emos' or 'Goths'.
If we allow people to fill out a profile, then I think it is wrong to attempt to define what can or cannot be added.
It's like the utterly stupid 'Don't ask, don't tell (but we all presume you are hetro)' policy in the military. Then again only in the US are you asked what 'race' you are. But then don't ask someone about it directly or then actually call them 'black'.
But I wonder if stating it is somehow required? Should it make a difference if the person you are playing against is gay or Jewish?
Sadly far to often this info is used to attack people. Even ridiculous stuff such as post counts.
I'd rather we not have to talk about such subjects and it is a shame for our 'civilization' we still have to.
Personally I do not want to know and even if I did, it would not change how I treat people. And if someone asks me for such information, I'd ask them why they needed to know it. And often I would say I am obviously a human from the planet earth.
First, this has nothing to do with natural selection.
Actually you even show a clear ignorance for natural selection because you want to kill the ones that actually adapt and have become better hunters and can thus provide more food. I.e. the basis for evolution under the 'natural selection' (I'm kinda keeping it simple)
Without wanting to start a pro/contra hunting argument, it is kinda like saying you are helping nature by going hunting. Uhm, no. What you are doing is simply cutting down the healthy ones and leaving the rest. While naturally speaking you should be hunting the sick, weak and old (like their natural predators do). But then which hunter wants to eat that meat?
Second this is not only an issue with Crocs but with many more animals. Or should I say it is less of an animal then of a human issue.
Unlike humans, animals still need to hunt for their food and are not particularly picky when they find something they can eat. And the easier they can get to it, the better.
This is where we come in. * trash: It might seem like trash for us but anything edible you throw away will probably attract animals. Note, this does not exclude trash that is not thrown into the bin but can basically include anything we drop or store like bread crumbs or our basement food stock.
* habitat: Rodents like mice, rats or cockroaches are typically problems in our habitats, among others to the above-mentioned trash issue. But you might think, hey these are only mice, we were talking about Crocs, you would have to remember that there are animals out there that hunt these, f.i. snakes.
In addition to that our habitats are also warm/cool and protect us from the weather. And if they protect us, they also protect animals.
Plus our other technological advances attract animals a well. F.i. Tar roads that can heat up quite nicely are ideal places for reptiles. Some animals love our hoses and wire isolation.
* pets: Even our own pets are viable food sources to hunters and our domestication can cause them to lose their natural suspicion. And maybe that log they are sniffing is not really a log.
* animal habitat reduction: As humanity increases in size we stupidly also increase our habitat size in crazy proportions and thus reduce that of the animals. This makes it easier for animals to enter our habitats. Kinda like if you compare the distance between towns 100 years ago to now. Back then the habitat spheres were far from each other. Today these spheres are much closer, touch or even overlap.
Plus the amount of crocs might also be forcing the crocs to hunt in larger areas.
But it would probably be more of the former then the latter.
Humans are not interesting as a food source for most of the animal kingdom. To big, tough meat, hard to catch and dangerous. Nearly all accidents of animals attacking humans was because the humans were playing around in areas they should not be.
More humans die in Africa due to Hippoes then to Crocs. More humans die in Australia to Jellyfish then to sharks.
We also had the same experience, but a little north of Munich.
Instead of spending the money the parents could get themselves typed for bone marrow transplants and/or donate the money for collecting those samples. (costs like â50 a pop iirc). And they can use all the money they can get.
My wife (then GF) and I did it when a friend of ours had a leukemia relapse and a typing drive was happening near by.
Did not save our friend but both my wife and I have been initial candidates but later fell through the more stringent tests.
Like you correctly state, the donations will probably come from someone else so we need more someone-else's to have a greater pool to select from.
Far to often I hear people complaining why they do not have time to donate blood or go to a typing. But you can bet your soul when the crap hits the fan for them (and I hope it never does) they will quickly find the time and/or complain about others.
Lost my share of friends, family and companions over the span of my life but I would not want to have the cloned. Animal or human.
Just like single cell twins are not the same people, neither will a clone.
Think about it for a minute: What if the person we love woke up tomorrow and was completely different person?
Or the reverse (and the ultimate test of love): What if the person we love had an accident and was completely visually scarred (f.i. burn victim). Would we still love them?
Yes, dieing sucks, but it is a part of life and we have to learn to cope with it. If you cannot let go you should seek help. Let go! If you clone them you only show how much you disregard them by making their first life seemingly useless.
Life is not a game that can be start/stopped/restarted because something did not go as expected.
How selfish can someone be to create a life just for their own pleasure, regardless of how the life will be for the one created?
Life might just be the carbon shell we live in, but what makes us 'us' cannot be cloned.
If a hurricane destroys your house you can rebuild it, but it won't be the same house. Living is like the furniture and your experiences are the pictures. They cannot simply be replaced or recreated.
These are the kind of people that will complain if the stuff is not 1:1 exactly how they imagine it to be.
These are the kind of people that will drive over a cliff if there is no sign telling them to stop.
A computer is a tool. If you do not (want to) understand a computer then ask someone to take care of it for you.
A saw and an axe are used for cutting down trees. So your foreman just upgraded from axe to saw. Who's fault is it that you broke the saw while bashing it against the tree? So the saw must be the problem, right?
Is anyone surprised about the stupid warning labels any more?
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I would tend to agree with you that it is not directly the testing teams fault. They can only react upon what has been developed.
If I have a cleaning lady, do I check every corner, under every rug and in each bin to see if they did their job correctly?
The first time probably and react upon this, depending on the outcome. In the ideal situation you might later just do casual inspections.
From my experience the quality is often simply pushed off to the testers because 'they have to test it anyway', when IMHO the testers are the final quality gate before the customers.
I have even had situations where testers were so busy 'finding' (not really had to look hard to find them) idiotic bugs that *anyone* could have seen and when they finally got around to the deeper and more critical bugs, we were already past our deadlines.
I would not blame the testers for issues they missed. If anything they would get a glancing blow from the slap the developer gets.
The only requirement I'd have is that we find out how it was missed and how we can improve.
IMHO quality starts at the bottom: the single coder and goes all the way up.
F.i. Jr developers need closer supervision
('normal') developers are subjected to occasional reviews. these have proven to have improved the quality of their work.
lead developers (who could do the reviews and supervision of those above) have proven their reliability and might only have to answer to architectural reviews.
Yes, even if the code is perfect you could still have different problems but these would be issues for the architects.
I even go as far as to demand proof that a bug is not inside someone's component.
Paying for grades is like paying for sex. The will only do it for the money then.
In my day a *loosening of my fathers belt* really helped me to see why getting good grades is the best thing to do. ... in the winter.
When that no longer worked, they gave me a feel for what it would mean to not be good in school and get a good education:
I had to work at a fast food place on my vacations and they stripped me of about 75%. (as a parent now I'd say 'what? only 75%?')
During my apprenticeship I also had to work on construction sites
Though I still sucked in school (my dyslexia was never recognized thanks to a bad school system) those did motivate me.
Not that I disrespect the people that are doing the jobs, but I'd rather work my arse off for acceptable pay in a cube then to do that work again.
Though if the crap hit the fan, I would have no problem doing the jobs again.
We should motivate our children to get the jobs *they* want to get. The higher your education the more possibilities you have.
Yes, you can still work yourself up from the bottom (I did) but it is a *lot* of work and you have to prove yourself time and time again.
Not to mention that, while the glory of the 'self made man' might be high, the numbers tend to be horribly low.
Not to mention who knows if they will be there when we get there.
Plus all the things that could go wrong in between. 'Hey Bob, did we forget to Gas up at AlphaCentarui?'
And that is only if we know where we are going.
IIRC Sagen once compared the density in space is like if there were only two Bees over Europe.
If you are committing to a nearly 4k year journey, you better know that someone will be home.
What drivers did you install and how?
You should use the envy packages (universe: envyng-core & envyng-gtk or envyng-qt), then install the drivers with the util and then set up your monitors via the nvidia settings dialog.
http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
Send a PM if you need assistance.
We all know that just because it was written down does not mean it actually should be implemented.
It did not count for the Native Americans, blacks or Japanese.
Anyone ever see how these people were treated?
Kidnapped, beaten, shackled, hooded and ear-muffed, tied down like hogs for entire duration of the transfer to Guantanamo to be subjected to the hospitality of people looking to 'give back for 9/11'.
Hey, sorry for all that. I hope you do not take that torture stuff personal. It was just an innocent mistake.
Can happen to anyone, right? Anyone could mistake a 13 year old child for a terrorist, right?
So lets keep this quiet and everything will be ok. We both know how dangerous it is in your country and how accidents can happen... a wedding here, a 'smart bomb' there...
Naturally we can all rely 100% on the claims by the military that Guantanamo is some kind of resort for bad boys.
They won't let anyone in and those that they do have to agree not to say anything or else they would not be let back in again.
Plus they would never lie to us, right?
With your typical FoxTV watcher, you would not need that.
Actually (IIRC), while only one country has an embargo, they do have this interesting restriction that any company that deals with Cuba will not be allowed to deal with them.
I still hope a country like India or China will call the bluff and open direct trade with Cuba.
Like the US pull through with their threats and cut off China or India.
And this is different then the way it is now?
Read up on the number of reporters that got killed 'accidentally' in war zones like Iraq or Afghanistan.
At least with such a contraption such 'accidents' can be covered up a lot better.
Oh please.
We are talking about the military.
Aka politicians in camo.
That was the justification given by the US military to use it's new toy.
Where did they get these numbers from? ... at least for the US military and politicians.
Guesses, presumptions? Or that they knew they could sell their product this way best?
A win-win situation
Claim your weapon will save million of US lives and you can do pretty much anything.
Now you have an alibi every fool will take at face value.
Kinda like what Powell did at the UN hoping to get backing from the UN.
It was a lie that got them what they wanted and they will do it every chance they get.
more like
sudo apt-get install securing-us-interests
Is this the 'official' version of how it happened?
Not like the US military would ever lie to us, right?
'fun'?
In what world may vengeance ever be fun?
Sorry, but then you are not really better. You just have a better excuse.
Yeah, let's be optimistic and just ignore that the people of Iraq did not vote for the man the US wanted to have.
Not like in Afghanistan where the 'President' was a man from the Bush.Co. Mafia that was 're-elected' by the 'people' (who will do what their local warlord tells them to do, and they want to keep their poppy plants that the 'President' promised to leave alone if they support him).
Wasn't it Bush Jr himself that said 'you cannot have 'free' elections in an occupied country'?
You were told by someone close to the government who told you information you wanted to hear.
Everyone was telling you that curveball was full of carp.
Nothing of what was claimed was found.
No WMDs, no mobile labs, no underground supercomplexes, no rockets that could be launched to europe.
Nothing, nada.
And if that were not enough, your government came up with the YellowCake scam.
Oh wait, you did find some stuff:
Some 20yr old shells that still contained traces of chemical weapons. But that was from the time the US were selling weapons to Iraq.
Plus some chemical suits that had US markings on them.
Strange that 'we' initially did not have a problem that Saddam invaded Kuwait.
Read up on your history and you would see that 'our' government actually said it was none of our concern.
Something like 'hey it's not our concern'.
Remember, Saddam was still 'our' friend back then.
Killing millions of Iraqis, Iranians and gassing the Kurds did not deter 'our' friendship.
Naturally 'we' did a 180 when 'we' somehow saw that this could be used to further 'our' goals.
'We' did 'our' typical fabrication of 'evidence' and made up a reason to 'liberate' them.
Reminds me of all the 'Gangstas' out there that use it as their defining point and make sure the entire world knows about it.
Same with the 'Pimps', 'Playaz', 'Gigolos', 'Sistas' or 'Redneck-Ted-Nugent-loving-Truckdrivers' or 'Emos' or 'Goths'.
If we allow people to fill out a profile, then I think it is wrong to attempt to define what can or cannot be added.
It's like the utterly stupid 'Don't ask, don't tell (but we all presume you are hetro)' policy in the military.
Then again only in the US are you asked what 'race' you are. But then don't ask someone about it directly or then actually call them 'black'.
But I wonder if stating it is somehow required?
Should it make a difference if the person you are playing against is gay or Jewish?
Sadly far to often this info is used to attack people.
Even ridiculous stuff such as post counts.
I'd rather we not have to talk about such subjects and it is a shame for our 'civilization' we still have to.
Personally I do not want to know and even if I did, it would not change how I treat people.
And if someone asks me for such information, I'd ask them why they needed to know it.
And often I would say I am obviously a human from the planet earth.
First, this has nothing to do with natural selection.
Actually you even show a clear ignorance for natural selection because you want to kill the ones that actually adapt and have become better hunters and can thus provide more food.
I.e. the basis for evolution under the 'natural selection' (I'm kinda keeping it simple)
Without wanting to start a pro/contra hunting argument, it is kinda like saying you are helping nature by going hunting.
Uhm, no. What you are doing is simply cutting down the healthy ones and leaving the rest.
While naturally speaking you should be hunting the sick, weak and old (like their natural predators do).
But then which hunter wants to eat that meat?
Second this is not only an issue with Crocs but with many more animals. Or should I say it is less of an animal then of a human issue.
Unlike humans, animals still need to hunt for their food and are not particularly picky when they find something they can eat.
And the easier they can get to it, the better.
This is where we come in.
* trash:
It might seem like trash for us but anything edible you throw away will probably attract animals.
Note, this does not exclude trash that is not thrown into the bin but can basically include anything we drop or store like bread crumbs or our basement food stock.
* habitat:
Rodents like mice, rats or cockroaches are typically problems in our habitats, among others to the above-mentioned trash issue.
But you might think, hey these are only mice, we were talking about Crocs, you would have to remember that there are animals out there that hunt these, f.i. snakes.
In addition to that our habitats are also warm/cool and protect us from the weather.
And if they protect us, they also protect animals.
Plus our other technological advances attract animals a well.
F.i. Tar roads that can heat up quite nicely are ideal places for reptiles.
Some animals love our hoses and wire isolation.
* pets:
Even our own pets are viable food sources to hunters and our domestication can cause them to lose their natural suspicion.
And maybe that log they are sniffing is not really a log.
* animal habitat reduction:
As humanity increases in size we stupidly also increase our habitat size in crazy proportions and thus reduce that of the animals.
This makes it easier for animals to enter our habitats.
Kinda like if you compare the distance between towns 100 years ago to now. Back then the habitat spheres were far from each other. Today these spheres are much closer, touch or even overlap.
Plus the amount of crocs might also be forcing the crocs to hunt in larger areas.
But it would probably be more of the former then the latter.
Humans are not interesting as a food source for most of the animal kingdom.
To big, tough meat, hard to catch and dangerous.
Nearly all accidents of animals attacking humans was because the humans were playing around in areas they should not be.
More humans die in Africa due to Hippoes then to Crocs.
More humans die in Australia to Jellyfish then to sharks.
We also had the same experience, but a little north of Munich.
Instead of spending the money the parents could get themselves typed for bone marrow transplants and/or donate the money for collecting those samples. (costs like â50 a pop iirc). And they can use all the money they can get.
My wife (then GF) and I did it when a friend of ours had a leukemia relapse and a typing drive was happening near by.
Did not save our friend but both my wife and I have been initial candidates but later fell through the more stringent tests.
Like you correctly state, the donations will probably come from someone else so we need more someone-else's to have a greater pool to select from.
Far to often I hear people complaining why they do not have time to donate blood or go to a typing.
But you can bet your soul when the crap hits the fan for them (and I hope it never does) they will quickly find the time and/or complain about others.
No life is worth more or less then that of something else.
That is a slippery slope slide to Concentration Camps.
But I do agree in general with GP.
The actions to which 'supreme beings' will resort to puts even the wildest animal to shame.
I agree 100%
Lost my share of friends, family and companions over the span of my life but I would not want to have the cloned.
Animal or human.
Just like single cell twins are not the same people, neither will a clone.
Think about it for a minute:
What if the person we love woke up tomorrow and was completely different person?
Or the reverse (and the ultimate test of love):
What if the person we love had an accident and was completely visually scarred (f.i. burn victim).
Would we still love them?
Yes, dieing sucks, but it is a part of life and we have to learn to cope with it.
If you cannot let go you should seek help.
Let go!
If you clone them you only show how much you disregard them by making their first life seemingly useless.
Life is not a game that can be start/stopped/restarted because something did not go as expected.
How selfish can someone be to create a life just for their own pleasure, regardless of how the life will be for the one created?
Life might just be the carbon shell we live in, but what makes us 'us' cannot be cloned.
If a hurricane destroys your house you can rebuild it, but it won't be the same house.
Living is like the furniture and your experiences are the pictures. They cannot simply be replaced or recreated.
Sorry, but she IS the problem.
These are the kind of people that will complain if the stuff is not 1:1 exactly how they imagine it to be.
These are the kind of people that will drive over a cliff if there is no sign telling them to stop.
A computer is a tool. If you do not (want to) understand a computer then ask someone to take care of it for you.
A saw and an axe are used for cutting down trees. So your foreman just upgraded from axe to saw.
Who's fault is it that you broke the saw while bashing it against the tree?
So the saw must be the problem, right?
Is anyone surprised about the stupid warning labels any more?
Yep, killed over a million of them because they would not have the government we wanted them to have and still they don't like the US.
And to finally finish them off we will give them FREE stuff.. haha, that will show them how capitalism rules!
They do not want to stop it, they want to monitor us.
Just another herring to convince the politicians and soccer moms to move one step further to the uber-surveillance-state.
I think it has more to do with religious institutions are more likely to fight for your release or non-execution.