For most companies I'd say they would not care one flipping bit. They are leeches and if a host becomes hostile, they will just detach and find another host to drain.
But for Google.. the company who's catch-phrase was something like 'don't be evil' or something like that, is REALLY a disappointment. They want to go to countries that work with near-slave labor and child labor, just so they do not have to pay taxes... sorry, just exactly how does this make them any better then the Chinese government?
But remembering the typical hypocrisy, it is ok to do it in Cn, but Cuba is bad because, you know, they are Communist.
So if M$ would sell the patents of C# to, dunno 'Microhard Patent Protection Company' and then THEY could sue for patent infringements and M$ can wash their hands in innocence.
Would anyone else doubt M$ might do this if they wanted to?
Not only do we not trust M$, we expect them to pull this kind of crap. It is like running into the base during a TeamFortress game. You KNOW there is a trap, you just do not know where or when it will close.
'Let the community fix it'? Are you kidding? The only thing the community would do is add in 6285 different variants of the same crap 'features'.
A community can do a lot, but they can also horribly fark up stuff.
I have seen some of the effects stuff like that can have in examples of C/C++/C# code. It looks like you were reading it in a hex editor.
Also I think you might have to update your knowledge of Java. The criticism you seem to have looks like what people have been saying for the last 10+ years based on some early version of Java.
I agree 100% Although I come from the Java side of things, the feelings are mutual. Already we are beginning to look for alternatives for Java based stuff.
As much as we all love [Solaris/Java/OpenOffice], Oracle is the one driving us away and that love won't stop us from leaving.
But ultimately we need a replacement for Java. And that in turn means we need replacements for all the Tomcats, JBosses, Springs, Hibernates and whatnot.
I have personally been looking into Vala for some time now.
Roll your own? You should be able to get a LAPP (Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL, PHP) server up and running quite quickly.
Tutorials can be found on howtoforge.
Also a hosting provider can be convinced to use PostgreSQL. Just tell them you will take your buisiness elsewhere if not. (Also ask about the MySQL licensing terms. They are kinda complicated. F.i. if you host something on your server. NP, but if you give it to a customer, you have to pay. Dunno how hosting providers fit in there, but it could scare them enough)
Amen, brother! I'd love for a Java replacement (my suggestion: BINJ, BINJ is not Java)
Only thing we would have to watch out for is the 'feature creep' many languages die to. f.i. scala: normally you'd think 'academic' is something bad, but people complain that it is 'not academic enough'. or 'not expressive enough'... meaning 'let's make it MORE cryptic because I am to flipping lazy to actually write code'.
As long as it can offer the features Java has and is fully free, great!
I have done some work with Vala and while it is nice, does not go far enough. But who knows, with some more focus the libs might be extended and we could see some improvements. Something like a classpath would be worth gold.
I think the whole US legal system cannot be quite compared to that of the EU because of the core setups are different. In the EU, if something happens to you, the state will kick in and help out. Well in many states that is. Though you might be required to have insurance and cover some of the costs from your own pocket, it won't bankrupt you. You might fall but you won't hit rock bottom.
This is not so in the US. If someone damages you, the state will not jump in and help you out. Thus you are left with the damages and the costs unless you sue someone.
In order to fix this you would have to fix the entire system, not just one part.
(pls correct me if I am wrong)
Now the BS these people are pulling is beyond reasonable and just smells of wanting to leach some money.
* a child of 4 was able to get ahold of a shotgun * a child of 4 was able to load the shotgun * a child of 4 was able to aim and shot the shotgun * the child lived in a mobile hom
While they might think that, I presume when it boils down, the differences will be how the manager of the people handle them. And I highly doubt that the management from a profit oriented company will care what a developer thinks 'should be done'. I can imagine the first few meetings between the devs and mgnt cleared up the working conditions.
Anyone who has worked under such mgnt will know what I am talking about.
IIHMP +1 I actually think I have a very good memory concerning faces and shapes, but even I had problems remembering some people at the last school meet.
If I think about the occasional holiday fling, which might be more near the Calvin Kline scenario, I really think I'd have problems remembering.
IIRC it was addressed, although in context with anti-grav, in an Assimov novel.
I think one person wanted to show off a anti-grav thingie and wanted to use a pool table to do it. The anti-grav thing was that the object would not be affected by the earth/sun grav fields. But what he forgot to consider was the movement of the milky-way and the universe. One of the people wound up with an 8-ball sized hole in them.
Maybe we should wait until the crash report. Why? Well I do not know how many might be confusing Austria to Australia. Not to mention that the former is now in the middle of Fall season and beloved for it's winter sports. So, it could just have been an accident on a wet/slippery road. Something that could happen to other people as well. (ask my wife) Just because it happened to mister bionic makes it news, that's all.
Isn't it normal in any country that products shipped from abroad first go through customs?
Also just because it is in Germany does not mean anything. Basically it is just a cease and desist order. You can do that anywhere. Just a bunch of bullying that is semi-legal in Germany. If someone does not sing Sony has to take them to court and that might blow up in their face. So they try to strong-arm the people.
Ok, I agree on the very special achievements. They should not be hackable. Here you have to use skill to gain something. Although they could be hot-lapped, it might still be something important.
On the other hand, as someone pointed out, there are achievements that only give you another avatar, then it does not make sense.
But then they should reconsider using achievements to gain such stuff. One could even go so far as to day that Blizzard is indirectly at fault for people behaving the way they do.
Similarly with WoW. If all your 'gameplay' basically just revolves around mindless grinding until you have the right level and then finally do the interesting stuff, people will seek ways to bypass the boring stuff.
If anything Blizzard should take it as critique of their game and improve on it.
f.i. in GuildWars if you just wanted to participate in the Arenas with a lvl 20 char, you could do that with all the stuff you had unlocked at your disposal. But the char was not usable in the PvE part of the game.
Difficult subject. Personally I think that cheating/hacking SP is fine. Heck I had a friend who's kids played AoE and he showed them all the cheats so it would not be to hard for them. Yeah, they were really young.
I think the underlying question is 'what benefits do achievements give the player?'
If it is only about e-penis stuff, then who cares? But if it is like in other games where achievements give you better equipment or allow you to do special things, then yes, hacking them would be bad.
Unless you are in single player though because let's be honest, why not give little Timmy the Nuke if he flipping want's it? If he wants to ruin his SP experience, then let him.
Where is the sense in achievements for SP anyway? It is like a ranking system for 1-person ping-pong. Whoot, I beat myself 15-nil today.. I ru1e d00d! I kind of think about the kids that practice stuff at home and think they are the bomb. Yet if they would go outside and compete (that is 'going online' for us real-worlders) they would probably just bomb. Thus the achievements they got offline would really mean what they do: nothing!
'Cept you always have those people that will stick a knife in the toaster and after getting the bazeezus shocked out of them go on to sue the toaster company.
Then again, that is why they have those seals that if you break them, you lose all warrenty.
Otherwise I agree with you. If people want to hack their game, let them. Hell, where would some games be if it were not for hacks? NWN to name one.
Thing is, as far as the suite is concerned, a cheat hack is the same as a feature hack.
Moral question: You arrive at a site of a fire (as a fireman none the less) and see that people's prized possessions and animals are burning. * help them * obey a stupid rule
It is always easier to blame someone else, better if that 'someone' is not really a physical being or concrete body. Never EVER take responsibility for what you do.
The firefighters were there, they could have helped and been heroes, this time beyond the call of duty. Yet they chose to use an excuse to leave the people to suffer. Yeah that leaves a great flipping example.
Not to mention the animals that died, which you could even define as animal cruelty.
I honestly doubt Omama could care less and he probably will have this stupidity revoked as soon as he hears of it.
Fact is, compared to manure outlets like Faux News, what this kid said was laughable and Obama would probably smile because at least there are some kids out there that seem interested in world events and willing to speak their minds. Compared to your run-of-the-mill American, that is.
> And "freedom of speech, but there will be consequences" is not the same as "freedom of speech". Damn right!
But compared to the students, the CIA plans might actually be done...
But why is this all such a bad thing? If I do not know about hacking, how can I recognise a hack attempt? The best way to learn something is to do it or just think through it!
I'd say anyone with half a brain has already had such thoughts. Hopefully in a creative kind of way. When I hear the dump arse cops say how safe this and that place is, I always think 'yep, because that is the LAST place someone would hit'. Why should a terrorist make it hard on themselves? A suicide bomb at a populated place that is not closely monitored by the police is the best place. Plus the 'shell shock' would be greater because no one would expect it. If you bomb a stadium, regardless of how tragic, people will think 'but that was naturally a target'.
Not to mention, you get a lot of fresh ideas of the kids. Remember this is a group of individuals who try to hide info from their parents, don't obey rules or live in 'acceptable ways' (as viewed by the masses) and speak in a strange language.
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For most companies I'd say they would not care one flipping bit. They are leeches and if a host becomes hostile, they will just detach and find another host to drain.
But for Google.. the company who's catch-phrase was something like 'don't be evil' or something like that, is REALLY a disappointment. ... sorry, just exactly how does this make them any better then the Chinese government?
They want to go to countries that work with near-slave labor and child labor, just so they do not have to pay taxes
But remembering the typical hypocrisy, it is ok to do it in Cn, but Cuba is bad because, you know, they are Communist.
So if M$ would sell the patents of C# to, dunno 'Microhard Patent Protection Company' and then THEY could sue for patent infringements and M$ can wash their hands in innocence.
Would anyone else doubt M$ might do this if they wanted to?
+1
Not only do we not trust M$, we expect them to pull this kind of crap.
It is like running into the base during a TeamFortress game. You KNOW there is a trap, you just do not know where or when it will close.
'Let the community fix it'?
Are you kidding? The only thing the community would do is add in 6285 different variants of the same crap 'features'.
A community can do a lot, but they can also horribly fark up stuff.
I have seen some of the effects stuff like that can have in examples of C/C++/C# code.
It looks like you were reading it in a hex editor.
Also I think you might have to update your knowledge of Java. The criticism you seem to have looks like what people have been saying for the last 10+ years based on some early version of Java.
I agree 100%
Although I come from the Java side of things, the feelings are mutual.
Already we are beginning to look for alternatives for Java based stuff.
As much as we all love [Solaris/Java/OpenOffice], Oracle is the one driving us away and that love won't stop us from leaving.
Google, rescue us!
I agree and also thanks for the info.
But ultimately we need a replacement for Java. And that in turn means we need replacements for all the Tomcats, JBosses, Springs, Hibernates and whatnot.
I have personally been looking into Vala for some time now.
Any other suggestions?
Roll your own?
You should be able to get a LAPP (Linux, Apache, PostgreSQL, PHP) server up and running quite quickly.
Tutorials can be found on howtoforge.
Also a hosting provider can be convinced to use PostgreSQL. Just tell them you will take your buisiness elsewhere if not.
(Also ask about the MySQL licensing terms. They are kinda complicated. F.i. if you host something on your server. NP, but if you give it to a customer, you have to pay. Dunno how hosting providers fit in there, but it could scare them enough)
Amen, brother!
I'd love for a Java replacement (my suggestion: BINJ, BINJ is not Java)
Only thing we would have to watch out for is the 'feature creep' many languages die to. ... meaning 'let's make it MORE cryptic because I am to flipping lazy to actually write code'.
f.i. scala: normally you'd think 'academic' is something bad, but people complain that it is 'not academic enough'.
or 'not expressive enough'
As long as it can offer the features Java has and is fully free, great!
I have done some work with Vala and while it is nice, does not go far enough.
But who knows, with some more focus the libs might be extended and we could see some improvements.
Something like a classpath would be worth gold.
IIRC the 'free' is only by virtue of M$ and lives at the whim of M$.
The last company I'd trust to keep it's word.
Seriously?
Faux News reporting on ANYTHING that even tangents France and you expect anything useful to come out.
ok,ok, the France part is redundant, though it would just worsen any propaganda.
I think the whole US legal system cannot be quite compared to that of the EU because of the core setups are different.
In the EU, if something happens to you, the state will kick in and help out. Well in many states that is.
Though you might be required to have insurance and cover some of the costs from your own pocket, it won't bankrupt you.
You might fall but you won't hit rock bottom.
This is not so in the US. If someone damages you, the state will not jump in and help you out. Thus you are left with the damages and the costs unless you sue someone.
In order to fix this you would have to fix the entire system, not just one part.
(pls correct me if I am wrong)
Now the BS these people are pulling is beyond reasonable and just smells of wanting to leach some money.
Probably also played GTA as well.
* a child of 4 was able to get ahold of a shotgun
* a child of 4 was able to load the shotgun
* a child of 4 was able to aim and shot the shotgun
* the child lived in a mobile hom
why does the last line seem kinda like a given?
@People orented: /me queues Dilbert comic
While they might think that, I presume when it boils down, the differences will be how the manager of the people handle them.
And I highly doubt that the management from a profit oriented company will care what a developer thinks 'should be done'.
I can imagine the first few meetings between the devs and mgnt cleared up the working conditions.
Anyone who has worked under such mgnt will know what I am talking about.
IIHMP +1
I actually think I have a very good memory concerning faces and shapes, but even I had problems remembering some people at the last school meet.
If I think about the occasional holiday fling, which might be more near the Calvin Kline scenario, I really think I'd have problems remembering.
IIRC it was addressed, although in context with anti-grav, in an Assimov novel.
I think one person wanted to show off a anti-grav thingie and wanted to use a pool table to do it.
The anti-grav thing was that the object would not be affected by the earth/sun grav fields.
But what he forgot to consider was the movement of the milky-way and the universe.
One of the people wound up with an 8-ball sized hole in them.
Maybe we should wait until the crash report.
Why?
Well I do not know how many might be confusing Austria to Australia.
Not to mention that the former is now in the middle of Fall season and beloved for it's winter sports.
So, it could just have been an accident on a wet/slippery road.
Something that could happen to other people as well. (ask my wife)
Just because it happened to mister bionic makes it news, that's all.
Isn't it normal in any country that products shipped from abroad first go through customs?
Also just because it is in Germany does not mean anything. Basically it is just a cease and desist order. You can do that anywhere.
Just a bunch of bullying that is semi-legal in Germany. If someone does not sing Sony has to take them to court and that might blow up in their face.
So they try to strong-arm the people.
Ok, I agree on the very special achievements. They should not be hackable.
Here you have to use skill to gain something.
Although they could be hot-lapped, it might still be something important.
On the other hand, as someone pointed out, there are achievements that only give you another avatar, then it does not make sense.
But then they should reconsider using achievements to gain such stuff.
One could even go so far as to day that Blizzard is indirectly at fault for people behaving the way they do.
Similarly with WoW. If all your 'gameplay' basically just revolves around mindless grinding until you have the right level and then finally do the interesting stuff, people will seek ways to bypass the boring stuff.
If anything Blizzard should take it as critique of their game and improve on it.
f.i. in GuildWars if you just wanted to participate in the Arenas with a lvl 20 char, you could do that with all the stuff you had unlocked at your disposal. But the char was not usable in the PvE part of the game.
Difficult subject.
Personally I think that cheating/hacking SP is fine.
Heck I had a friend who's kids played AoE and he showed them all the cheats so it would not be to hard for them. Yeah, they were really young.
Online is naturally a completely different topic.
I think the underlying question is 'what benefits do achievements give the player?'
If it is only about e-penis stuff, then who cares?
But if it is like in other games where achievements give you better equipment or allow you to do special things, then yes, hacking them would be bad.
Unless you are in single player though because let's be honest, why not give little Timmy the Nuke if he flipping want's it?
If he wants to ruin his SP experience, then let him.
Where is the sense in achievements for SP anyway? It is like a ranking system for 1-person ping-pong. Whoot, I beat myself 15-nil today.. I ru1e d00d!
I kind of think about the kids that practice stuff at home and think they are the bomb.
Yet if they would go outside and compete (that is 'going online' for us real-worlders) they would probably just bomb.
Thus the achievements they got offline would really mean what they do: nothing!
'Cept you always have those people that will stick a knife in the toaster and after getting the bazeezus shocked out of them go on to sue the toaster company.
Then again, that is why they have those seals that if you break them, you lose all warrenty.
Otherwise I agree with you. If people want to hack their game, let them.
Hell, where would some games be if it were not for hacks? NWN to name one.
Thing is, as far as the suite is concerned, a cheat hack is the same as a feature hack.
Moral question:
You arrive at a site of a fire (as a fireman none the less) and see that people's prized possessions and animals are burning.
* help them
* obey a stupid rule
It is always easier to blame someone else, better if that 'someone' is not really a physical being or concrete body.
Never EVER take responsibility for what you do.
The firefighters were there, they could have helped and been heroes, this time beyond the call of duty.
Yet they chose to use an excuse to leave the people to suffer.
Yeah that leaves a great flipping example.
Not to mention the animals that died, which you could even define as animal cruelty.
What ever happened to 'do the right thing'?
I honestly doubt Omama could care less and he probably will have this stupidity revoked as soon as he hears of it.
Fact is, compared to manure outlets like Faux News, what this kid said was laughable and Obama would probably smile because at least there are some kids out there that seem interested in world events and willing to speak their minds.
Compared to your run-of-the-mill American, that is.
> And "freedom of speech, but there will be consequences" is not the same as "freedom of speech".
Damn right!
But compared to the students, the CIA plans might actually be done...
But why is this all such a bad thing?
If I do not know about hacking, how can I recognise a hack attempt?
The best way to learn something is to do it or just think through it!
I'd say anyone with half a brain has already had such thoughts. Hopefully in a creative kind of way.
When I hear the dump arse cops say how safe this and that place is, I always think 'yep, because that is the LAST place someone would hit'.
Why should a terrorist make it hard on themselves? A suicide bomb at a populated place that is not closely monitored by the police is the best place.
Plus the 'shell shock' would be greater because no one would expect it. If you bomb a stadium, regardless of how tragic, people will think 'but that was naturally a target'.
Not to mention, you get a lot of fresh ideas of the kids. Remember this is a group of individuals who try to hide info from their parents, don't obey rules or live in 'acceptable ways' (as viewed by the masses) and speak in a strange language.