Is there an equivalent to this old form for child porn?
This news item advocates a ( ) technical (x) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante approach to fighting spam. This idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to this particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.) (x) Other legitimate uses would be affected ( ) Users of email will not put up with it ( ) Microsoft will not put up with it ( ) The police will not put up with it (X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
etc etc etc Has anyone made one yet or should I start?
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books that contain pornography which disgusts me, everyone in society supports that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which contain pornography, everyone with morals supports that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which are obscene, everyone who's decent supports that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which are heretical, everyone who's a good person supports that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which preach violence, every peace loving person loves that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which are harmful to the smooth running of society, everyone who's a good citizen supports that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which question our glorious leader, everyone who wants to live supports that! Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the people people who disgust me.....
very true, it makes it totally ineffective. Public blocklist: 1:It becomes a list of interesting sites to view through a vpn. 2:Pedos add every address in it to their hosts file directing at something else so they'll never be flagged while following links from sites not on the list. 3:Everyone else can either verify that it's not being abused hence making it ineffective or they can't and it means it can be abused.
Private blocklist. 1:Massive massive massive potential for abuse. 2:do I have to go on? that's a good enough reason.
So you really don't believe it is a slipery slope in this case? Would wager money on that? You really believe that this won't be adopted by more and more countries in the name of "protecting the children"? Or are you just playing devils advocate and know full well that this will be badly abused and will be utterly ineffective.
Talk to a random granny in the UK. What are the chances do you think that they'll have heard about the blacklists/greylists? It's a tiny fraction of the population who'll be looking for this kind of thing. Not everyone is a slashdoter. now even if the tiny fraction start noticing it, so what? If they complain to the media they get called pedophiles,pedophile sympathisers or crackpots and no matter how bad the systems are, how many pages they block which they shouldn't it doens't matter because it's "for the children".
Which is like trying to stop politicians from abusing their power, wait that's exactly what it is. If it's a public list then the argument is that it's basicly a list of interesting sites for any pedophile who's looking for sites. If it's not public then it's utterly open for abuse. Either way if you are told a URL is on the list either you are not able to check if it's really an abuse of the system or you can check meaning the system isn't working.
So take your pick. A system which can be abused or a system which actually blocks content. Even if a system effectively blocks content the pedophiles will just switch to a darknet and ignore your puny blocks making it ineffective.
So take your pick. A system which is expensive,ineffective and an affront to freedom of speach. A system which is expensive,ineffective,easily abused and an affront to freedom of speach. A system which doesn't exist.
It really is depressing, so many states are bringing in their own petty versions of the chinese firewall that it's getting close to critical mass where in any country where it isn't done the call will become "well they're doing it in all these other countries!They care about the children there! Protect the children!"
Ok, even though the comparison with stealing is a poor one it's good enough to draw some paralells.
Shoplifting happens. bad thing, yada yada.
Now to combat that walmart pushes through some ridiculous legislation and then hires companies to spy on shoplifters,people who might be shoplifters and people who live near possible shoplifters. Normal customers who pay for their goods start getting patted down regularly, denied entry or exit from the store and called criminals and threatened with legal action if they tried to sell things second hand.
When they catch some 13year old stuffing a 5 dollar item into his coat they take him to court and sue him and his family for $100,000 .
In their crusade to catch the shoplifters they extort records out of local organisaitons with threats of legal action and generally abuse the legal system to find the home addresses of people who might be shoplifters.
They threaten tens of thousands of families with similar suits and offer a shoplifter settlement where you can pay a few thousand in exchange for a promise of not being sued.
Some of the people who get accused of being shoplifters are of course innocent and were simply falsely identified as shoplifters but since there's still a chance of losing absolutely everything and the weight of evidence is not the same as a criminal case those families can't take the chance of losing all their worldly goods and have to pay out of fear.
Imagine a world where walmart acted like that. Now imagine where the public sympathy would lie, with the kids who are shoplifting or with walmart? Sure violating copyright is wrong but violating privacy laws and generally abusing the legal system is much much worse.
While the Ignore-any-law-you-don't-like thing doesn't appeal to me I'd instead sugest creating some decently effecient darknets to make this "Lets sue everyone and drop the case against anyone who looks like they have the means to actually defend themselves" utterly impotent.
What form of payment options do they use? I ask as I tend to be conservative when it comes to my bank account and pay my bills with direct debit and the way that's set up if I wanted to cancel something like this I'm fairly sure I could just call my bank and cancel the DD and mail off the forms to actually refuse the service only for good forms sake.
He killed his mother and shot his father in the head. the father survived.
Daniel's plan was originally to make it look like a murder-suicide, by leaving the gun in his father's hand. After the shooting, Mark Petric said his son put the gun in his hand while saying, "Hey Dad, here's your gun. Take it."
The outrage is from people who are pissed that a manipulative evil piece of shit is trying to avoid a harsher punishment by blaming a hobby which most people here enjoy. His first plan to avoid getting punished didn't work out so well but a judge seems to have bought into the "it was the videogames fault!",partly at least.
Funny story, if you have a criminal record it's basicly impossible to get a visa to enter the US.They don't even really care what the crime was, criminal record= no go. Now sounds all fine and good, we don't want murderers/drug dealers in.
Now the thing is that in some countries there is or was such a crime as "buggery"... Fun reason to get your visa turned down:P
Harder to forge a digital signature, harder to spot than a plaintext email address. If there had just been a random string where the email was then this might have gone unnoticed for much longer.
Sure but the power station would never make back even a tiny fraction of it's construction costs. It's like building a power plant to harvest the power of lightening strikes.
keep in mind that every time the botnet herder patches the botnet he runs a risk of bricking those machines, he doesn't care, he has a hundred thousand others.
only difference really I think between the feudal systems and what we have today
That and you're not owned by someone in a house 20 miles away.(fun being a serf) And you have legal rights, which mean you probably won't be knocked over the head and wake up on a ship. And that political power is only hereditary in a few countries like America. And that starvation is unlikely now even at the bottom tiers of society in most western countries. And that the local rich guy can't legally rape whoever he wants in most western countries. And that you're unlikely to get conscripted in most western countries. And that the local priest can't have you burned for heresy in most western countries. And you don't have to shit in a muddy stinking hole in the ground in most western countries. etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
A true class system implies lack of movement.In a class system, if you somehow get a hundred million euro and go from dirt poor to stinking rich then you're still lower class, you're just wealthy. In a classless system nobody gives a shit where you were born or how much money you had at the time, it doesn't mean they're not allowed treat you differently based on your wealth, they are allowed care if you have money right now. The UK still has the remains of a class system. There are billionares to whom some doors will always be closed since they were born poor. societies they'll never be allowed join and political power blocks they'll never get on their side.
In a classless system people are still allowed suck up to others who have lots of resources.
One big difference between hacking and burglery. When was the last time you saw a self replicating robot robbing a house?
In meatspace a human has to go and break into the house, this is a significant risk to them. On the net someone in siberia writes some code and releases it which uses a vulnerablility in a system to infect a decent portion of the targets in the world.risk: approx zero.
If you have pisspoor locks on a house it doesn't make much difference.Slightly higher chance that you suffer a loss. If you have pisspoor security on your computer you will get infected and then that will cause problems for others.
Many times my grandparents told me the story of how at the age of 3 or 4 my dad crashed the tractor.:D
climbed up, could just about stand on the pedals while holding the wheel. The tractor ended up in a ditch.
Now I doubt somehow that my dad ever played GTA at that age and was probably not trying to imitate any game. I'd say he was trying to imitate my grandfather who would have been driving the tractor a great deal.
Kids try to be like their parents a whole lot more than they try to be like Tommy Vercetti.
multinational class war? gotta love those vague ideas which can be blamed for all the worlds evils. but away from fantasy.
It's simply that people don't give a shit about others. From the richest to the most poor. The farmers don't really give a shit if slashing and burning will affect the rest of the world in some distant and hard to understand way and would just at the chance at being the people in the other more wealthy catagories, there's nothing noble here, just plain old humanity. Jill consumer in america doesn't really give a shit if the cut price beef she's buying is from south america or not. she just wants cheap food so she can make rent this month without having to work extra hours. The govornment officials don't really give a shit about the people they're leading and just want to grab the most they can themselves. The CEO's know they'll be fired if they lose the company a few billion for the sake of some bleeding heart cause even if they themselves really care about it but they probably just don't give a shit. The stock holders are at several removes and all that really matters to them is that the dividend they get from company A is bigger than the one they would get from company B, they don't get given moral choices, just a few sets of figures on a balance sheet and don't give a shit beyond that.
You seem to imagine some kind of class system where the focus is on keeping those bellow you down like in medieval europe. In reality nowdays people simply don't care and want to keep their standard of living or improve it which is quite a different thing. People don't care if someone from what you'd probably call a lower class climbs past them, only that their own standard of living doesn't suffer.
When you are out for a walk you come across a deep hole. You peer over the edge and see a man down at the bottom of the well. He shouts up at you "Be careful! Get back from the edge, it's slippery!Just go get help!" You ignore his warning and shortly fall into the well too, landing on top of him. He looks at you and starts screaming "I told you the bloody edge was slippery! Now we're both screwed! Why couldn't you learn from my mistake! now we're both screwed!" You answer him "Hypocrite! You fell in yourself! Why should I listen to you!"
It's too late for Americas forests and my country cut all it's old forests down back in the days of wooden ships. Now we know that was a mistake and it make sense to warn off others. It's not even slightly hypocritical to try to warn others off making your old mistakes.
In Europe at least the forests will never be anything like what they were before humans started cutting them down no matter what we do, the pigs have gone, too late to close the barn door.
Throwing some actual money at the problem might be more constructive than trying to tell them what to do. Warnings tend to not be enough.
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This news item advocates a
( ) technical (x) legislative ( ) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting spam.
This idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to this particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
(x) Other legitimate uses would be affected
( ) Users of email will not put up with it
( ) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
(X) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
etc etc etc
Has anyone made one yet or should I start?
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books that contain pornography which disgusts me, everyone in society supports that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which contain pornography, everyone with morals supports that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which are obscene, everyone who's decent supports that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which are heretical, everyone who's a good person supports that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which preach violence, every peace loving person loves that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which are harmful to the smooth running of society, everyone who's a good citizen supports that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the books which question our glorious leader, everyone who wants to live supports that!
Nothing wrong with censorship after all, they're only burning the people people who disgust me.....
very true, it makes it totally ineffective.
Public blocklist:
1:It becomes a list of interesting sites to view through a vpn.
2:Pedos add every address in it to their hosts file directing at something else so they'll never be flagged while following links from sites not on the list.
3:Everyone else can either verify that it's not being abused hence making it ineffective or they can't and it means it can be abused.
Private blocklist.
1:Massive massive massive potential for abuse.
2:do I have to go on? that's a good enough reason.
So you really don't believe it is a slipery slope in this case?
Would wager money on that?
You really believe that this won't be adopted by more and more countries in the name of "protecting the children"?
Or are you just playing devils advocate and know full well that this will be badly abused and will be utterly ineffective.
Talk to a random granny in the UK.
What are the chances do you think that they'll have heard about the blacklists/greylists?
It's a tiny fraction of the population who'll be looking for this kind of thing. Not everyone is a slashdoter. now even if the tiny fraction start noticing it, so what?
If they complain to the media they get called pedophiles,pedophile sympathisers or crackpots and no matter how bad the systems are, how many pages they block which they shouldn't it doens't matter because it's "for the children".
Which is like trying to stop politicians from abusing their power, wait that's exactly what it is.
If it's a public list then the argument is that it's basicly a list of interesting sites for any pedophile who's looking for sites.
If it's not public then it's utterly open for abuse.
Either way if you are told a URL is on the list either you are not able to check if it's really an abuse of the system or you can check meaning the system isn't working.
So take your pick.
A system which can be abused or a system which actually blocks content.
Even if a system effectively blocks content the pedophiles will just switch to a darknet and ignore your puny blocks making it ineffective.
So take your pick. ,easily abused and an affront to freedom of speach.
A system which is expensive,ineffective and an affront to freedom of speach.
A system which is expensive,ineffective
A system which doesn't exist.
It really is depressing, so many states are bringing in their own petty versions of the chinese firewall that it's getting close to critical mass where in any country where it isn't done the call will become "well they're doing it in all these other countries!They care about the children there! Protect the children!"
Ok, even though the comparison with stealing is a poor one it's good enough to draw some paralells.
Shoplifting happens. bad thing, yada yada.
Now to combat that walmart pushes through some ridiculous legislation and then hires companies to spy on shoplifters,people who might be shoplifters and people who live near possible shoplifters.
Normal customers who pay for their goods start getting patted down regularly, denied entry or exit from the store and called criminals and threatened with legal action if they tried to sell things second hand.
When they catch some 13year old stuffing a 5 dollar item into his coat they take him to court and sue him and his family for $100,000 .
In their crusade to catch the shoplifters they extort records out of local organisaitons with threats of legal action and generally abuse the legal system to find the home addresses of people who might be shoplifters.
They threaten tens of thousands of families with similar suits and offer a shoplifter settlement where you can pay a few thousand in exchange for a promise of not being sued.
Some of the people who get accused of being shoplifters are of course innocent and were simply falsely identified as shoplifters but since there's still a chance of losing absolutely everything and the weight of evidence is not the same as a criminal case those families can't take the chance of losing all their worldly goods and have to pay out of fear.
Imagine a world where walmart acted like that.
Now imagine where the public sympathy would lie, with the kids who are shoplifting or with walmart?
Sure violating copyright is wrong but violating privacy laws and generally abusing the legal system is much much worse.
While the Ignore-any-law-you-don't-like thing doesn't appeal to me I'd instead sugest creating some decently effecient darknets to make this "Lets sue everyone and drop the case against anyone who looks like they have the means to actually defend themselves" utterly impotent.
Well I've never tried to enter the US.:D
What form of payment options do they use?
I ask as I tend to be conservative when it comes to my bank account and pay my bills with direct debit and the way that's set up if I wanted to cancel something like this I'm fairly sure I could just call my bank and cancel the DD and mail off the forms to actually refuse the service only for good forms sake.
Pity nothing's going to happen to them over this.
It doesn't seem to matter if they drop every case that's going badly for them, it has no real effect on the other half.
Personally I'm not looking forward to one of my hobbies being banned because of shits like this.
I'm thinking they'll ban portal after some kid jumps off a building since the game doesn't kill you with falls and so he thought he'd be fine.
He killed his mother and shot his father in the head. the father survived.
Daniel's plan was originally to make it look like a murder-suicide, by leaving the gun in his father's hand. After the shooting, Mark Petric said his son put the gun in his hand while saying, "Hey Dad, here's your gun. Take it."
The outrage is from people who are pissed that a manipulative evil piece of shit is trying to avoid a harsher punishment by blaming a hobby which most people here enjoy.
His first plan to avoid getting punished didn't work out so well but a judge seems to have bought into the "it was the videogames fault!",partly at least.
Funny story, if you have a criminal record it's basicly impossible to get a visa to enter the US.They don't even really care what the crime was, criminal record= no go.
Now sounds all fine and good, we don't want murderers/drug dealers in.
Now the thing is that in some countries there is or was such a crime as "buggery"... :P
Fun reason to get your visa turned down
Harder to forge a digital signature, harder to spot than a plaintext email address.
If there had just been a random string where the email was then this might have gone unnoticed for much longer.
Well the new botnets still have to infect the PC's. they have to find new vulnerabilities to exploit.
Sure but the power station would never make back even a tiny fraction of it's construction costs.
It's like building a power plant to harvest the power of lightening strikes.
about time! :D
We were supposed to have flying cars how long ago?
keep in mind that every time the botnet herder patches the botnet he runs a risk of bricking those machines, he doesn't care, he has a hundred thousand others.
only difference really I think between the feudal systems and what we have today
That and you're not owned by someone in a house 20 miles away.(fun being a serf)
And you have legal rights, which mean you probably won't be knocked over the head and wake up on a ship.
And that political power is only hereditary in a few countries like America.
And that starvation is unlikely now even at the bottom tiers of society in most western countries.
And that the local rich guy can't legally rape whoever he wants in most western countries.
And that you're unlikely to get conscripted in most western countries.
And that the local priest can't have you burned for heresy in most western countries.
And you don't have to shit in a muddy stinking hole in the ground in most western countries.
etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
A true class system implies lack of movement.In a class system, if you somehow get a hundred million euro and go from dirt poor to stinking rich then you're still lower class, you're just wealthy. In a classless system nobody gives a shit where you were born or how much money you had at the time, it doesn't mean they're not allowed treat you differently based on your wealth, they are allowed care if you have money right now. The UK still has the remains of a class system. There are billionares to whom some doors will always be closed since they were born poor. societies they'll never be allowed join and political power blocks they'll never get on their side.
In a classless system people are still allowed suck up to others who have lots of resources.
One big difference between hacking and burglery.
When was the last time you saw a self replicating robot robbing a house?
In meatspace a human has to go and break into the house, this is a significant risk to them.
On the net someone in siberia writes some code and releases it which uses a vulnerablility in a system to infect a decent portion of the targets in the world.risk: approx zero.
If you have pisspoor locks on a house it doesn't make much difference.Slightly higher chance that you suffer a loss. If you have pisspoor security on your computer you will get infected and then that will cause problems for others.
Heh.
Many times my grandparents told me the story of how at the age of 3 or 4 my dad crashed the tractor. :D
climbed up, could just about stand on the pedals while holding the wheel. The tractor ended up in a ditch.
Now I doubt somehow that my dad ever played GTA at that age and was probably not trying to imitate any game.
I'd say he was trying to imitate my grandfather who would have been driving the tractor a great deal.
Kids try to be like their parents a whole lot more than they try to be like Tommy Vercetti.
multinational class war?
gotta love those vague ideas which can be blamed for all the worlds evils.
but away from fantasy.
It's simply that people don't give a shit about others.
From the richest to the most poor.
The farmers don't really give a shit if slashing and burning will affect the rest of the world in some distant and hard to understand way and would just at the chance at being the people in the other more wealthy catagories, there's nothing noble here, just plain old humanity.
Jill consumer in america doesn't really give a shit if the cut price beef she's buying is from south america or not. she just wants cheap food so she can make rent this month without having to work extra hours.
The govornment officials don't really give a shit about the people they're leading and just want to grab the most they can themselves.
The CEO's know they'll be fired if they lose the company a few billion for the sake of some bleeding heart cause even if they themselves really care about it but they probably just don't give a shit.
The stock holders are at several removes and all that really matters to them is that the dividend they get from company A is bigger than the one they would get from company B, they don't get given moral choices, just a few sets of figures on a balance sheet and don't give a shit beyond that.
You seem to imagine some kind of class system where the focus is on keeping those bellow you down like in medieval europe. In reality nowdays people simply don't care and want to keep their standard of living or improve it which is quite a different thing. People don't care if someone from what you'd probably call a lower class climbs past them, only that their own standard of living doesn't suffer.
When you are out for a walk you come across a deep hole.
You peer over the edge and see a man down at the bottom of the well.
He shouts up at you "Be careful! Get back from the edge, it's slippery!Just go get help!"
You ignore his warning and shortly fall into the well too, landing on top of him.
He looks at you and starts screaming "I told you the bloody edge was slippery! Now we're both screwed! Why couldn't you learn from my mistake! now we're both screwed!"
You answer him "Hypocrite! You fell in yourself! Why should I listen to you!"
It's too late for Americas forests and my country cut all it's old forests down back in the days of wooden ships. Now we know that was a mistake and it make sense to warn off others.
It's not even slightly hypocritical to try to warn others off making your old mistakes.
In Europe at least the forests will never be anything like what they were before humans started cutting them down no matter what we do, the pigs have gone, too late to close the barn door.
Throwing some actual money at the problem might be more constructive than trying to tell them what to do. Warnings tend to not be enough.