Fortunately with piracy rather than having to sell 25 gallons of milk to make back the cost of the one that guy took they only have to sell zero gallons of milk to make back the loss and since his 2 friends each bought one the store owner is up profits equal to 2/25's the price of the gallon of milk.
So if a guy walks into your store casts a spell over a gallon of milk and another magicly appears in his hand and walks out and then two of his friends see his gallon of milk and decide to go buy some from your store, then should the copier be prosecuted?
Ya all you evil slaveowners! YA! You know slaves were often raped by slave owners! So every time you download a music track you're commiting rape! DAMN THOSE SICK RAPIST BASTARD PEDOPHILE PIRATES!!!!
I'm not saying that's how things should be. I'm simply stating the practical situation. Personally I think it's a disgrace but the courts have a habbit of taking the view that schools shouldn't have to worry about civil or even human rights.
So what's to stop every school adding a second policy to their no cell phones policy reading "No pictures of any kind on any phone on school grounds"? Wouldn't that defeat this limp wristed judgement?
wait... what? You start out saying teens will be teens and will be interested in sex then move on to denouncing "every major media provider that influences children with their unavoidable crap selling sexuality to teenagers". So is sex evil now or not? do you want teens kept in a sex free bubble or in the real world?
if it was merely parental rights then they'd have to treat you like human beings once you hit 18. No, while in school all those civil rights things might as well not exist for you.
Think of it as the "pedophile gun". Want to ruin someones life? no need to hit them with a baseball bat or go to great lengths to frame them. just send them and email or sms with CP, report them and they'll be on the sex offenders register for life and from there you can be sure some upstanding citizen will take a bat to their head for you.
I remember when I was a child myself hearing about such laws and asking curiously "what about if you take pictures of yourself?" and being told "Oh of course it's just to catch bad people, nobody would be that silly." Unfortunatly slashdot tends to be right when it comes to such things and if there's an insane way to apply a law which everyone dismisses as "nobody would ever apply it like that" then you can bet your ass it will be abused exactly like that.
You're kidding right? The think of the children nutcases would label him first as soft on child pornographers, then a pedophile sympathiser and finally simply as a pedophile.
truely a great day for the protection of children, personally I hope these scum get put on the sex offenders register for life so that concerned citizens can be warned of their presence in the neighbourhood and can act accordingly to protect their children from dangerous sex offenders! Hangings too good for them!
I have to agree although I wonder how big the pool of machines would have to be and how smart a programmer would have to be to make a worm which genuinely mutates...
On the same note we can solve the problem of supporting the large aged population by simply cutting off food,water,electricity and medical care to over 65's. Harsh, but nonetheless true--and effective. Sure you're mother might die but it's for the good of humanity.
ya, there's a reason people don't run with this kind of logic too often. Educate, hand out birth control and population growth drops like a rock and you also get to keep your soul.
Or it could be that parents who choose to homeschool are more likely to be 1:Religious nuts who convince their children that sex before marriage will make their heads explode 2:People who are afraid of the outside world and pass on that fear to their kids. 3:Controlling as fuck. 4:Intent on stopping their kids from having friends and social lives.
If you go to the easiest to find with a google search sites then you're, likely to get a virus but I'm told some pirate sites are remarkably virus free. At the same time some commercial products include software which neatly fit the definition of "malicious virus". Personally I tend to buy legit games because I trust them more, I expect them to not contain code that will fuck up my machine. Every event like the sony rootkit fiasco hurts that trust though.
If 1000 people found a song worthy of downloading, certainly one of them (likely -- more) would've found it worthy of paying some amount (X being above zero) of money for it. That X/1000 (still above zero) is the perfectly tangible amount
Wow, you suck at these calculations. Lets try for the real figures.
If 1000 people 1000 people found a song worthy of downloading, certainly one of them (likely -- more) would've found it worthy of paying some amount - call that X, certainly one of them (likely most of them) would not have ever bought it had it not been available from torrent sites- call that Y, certainly one of Y (likely -- more) will as a result either buy a retail copy or buy another item from the same artist which they would never have bought otherwise call that Z, certainly one of them (likely -- more) will turn a casual hobby of collecting music into an obsession since the availability of music allows them to permiate their lives with it and among them and their friends owning genuine pretty printed CD's becomes a status symbol, their music collection ends up a thousand times the size it would have been without pirated music but their collection of store bought and signed CD's ends up ten times the size it ever would have been had this not absorbed their lives. Lets call that group C
x/1000 + (Y*0) - Z - C*10
So If you want to call x/1000 a "theft" should we start calling (Z - C*10) a "Donation"? What's the term for giving someone something they haven't asked for? If X/1000 is "taking" or "theft" then equally would you like to put your own name to (Z - C*10)?
And when that topic came up on slashdot I questioned the wisdom running windows on military hardware for security reasons and was laughed at since people took they view that this is the military, they're not going to network the boxes, they have more sense, it's not like they'd be connected to the net! god no! Well now I claim the right of "I told you so!"
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Fortunately with piracy rather than having to sell 25 gallons of milk to make back the cost of the one that guy took they only have to sell zero gallons of milk to make back the loss and since his 2 friends each bought one the store owner is up profits equal to 2/25's the price of the gallon of milk.
The people of inner city london make babies at that age,no need to go to Africa.
Great spin there. Makes it sound so clear cut the way you put it. Unfortunatly my version is closer to the reality and yours is closer to fantasy.
So if a guy walks into your store casts a spell over a gallon of milk and another magicly appears in his hand and walks out and then two of his friends see his gallon of milk and decide to go buy some from your store, then should the copier be prosecuted?
Ya all you evil slaveowners! YA! You know slaves were often raped by slave owners! So every time you download a music track you're commiting rape! DAMN THOSE SICK RAPIST BASTARD PEDOPHILE PIRATES!!!!
I'm not saying that's how things should be. I'm simply stating the practical situation.
Personally I think it's a disgrace but the courts have a habbit of taking the view that schools shouldn't have to worry about civil or even human rights.
So what's to stop every school adding a second policy to their no cell phones policy reading "No pictures of any kind on any phone on school grounds"?
Wouldn't that defeat this limp wristed judgement?
Where did I say that?
I simply predicted the reaction of the think of the children crowd.
wait... what?
You start out saying teens will be teens and will be interested in sex then move on to denouncing "every major media provider that influences children with their unavoidable crap selling sexuality to teenagers".
So is sex evil now or not?
do you want teens kept in a sex free bubble or in the real world?
I'm just not exactly clear after reading that.
Even those of us who didn't get any till college understand your viewpoint :D
if it was merely parental rights then they'd have to treat you like human beings once you hit 18.
No, while in school all those civil rights things might as well not exist for you.
Think of it as the "pedophile gun".
Want to ruin someones life? no need to hit them with a baseball bat or go to great lengths to frame them. just send them and email or sms with CP, report them and they'll be on the sex offenders register for life and from there you can be sure some upstanding citizen will take a bat to their head for you.
I remember when I was a child myself hearing about such laws and asking curiously "what about if you take pictures of yourself?" and being told "Oh of course it's just to catch bad people, nobody would be that silly."
Unfortunatly slashdot tends to be right when it comes to such things and if there's an insane way to apply a law which everyone dismisses as "nobody would ever apply it like that" then you can bet your ass it will be abused exactly like that.
You're kidding right?
The think of the children nutcases would label him first as soft on child pornographers, then a pedophile sympathiser and finally simply as a pedophile.
While you are in highschool your rights are suspended.
A little like prison only you've commited no crime and get to go home more.
truely a great day for the protection of children, personally I hope these scum get put on the sex offenders register for life so that concerned citizens can be warned of their presence in the neighbourhood and can act accordingly to protect their children from dangerous sex offenders!
Hangings too good for them!
I'd assume it only runs signed code.
I have to agree although I wonder how big the pool of machines would have to be and how smart a programmer would have to be to make a worm which genuinely mutates...
On the same note we can solve the problem of supporting the large aged population by simply cutting off food,water,electricity and medical care to over 65's.
Harsh, but nonetheless true--and effective.
Sure you're mother might die but it's for the good of humanity.
ya, there's a reason people don't run with this kind of logic too often.
Educate, hand out birth control and population growth drops like a rock and you also get to keep your soul.
Or it could be that parents who choose to homeschool are more likely to be
1:Religious nuts who convince their children that sex before marriage will make their heads explode
2:People who are afraid of the outside world and pass on that fear to their kids.
3:Controlling as fuck.
4:Intent on stopping their kids from having friends and social lives.
messing up the the stats a little
If you go to the easiest to find with a google search sites then you're, likely to get a virus but I'm told some pirate sites are remarkably virus free. At the same time some commercial products include software which neatly fit the definition of "malicious virus".
Personally I tend to buy legit games because I trust them more, I expect them to not contain code that will fuck up my machine. Every event like the sony rootkit fiasco hurts that trust though.
If 1000 people found a song worthy of downloading, certainly one of them (likely -- more) would've found it worthy of paying some amount (X being above zero) of money for it. That X/1000 (still above zero) is the perfectly tangible amount
Wow, you suck at these calculations.
Lets try for the real figures.
If 1000 people 1000 people found a song worthy of downloading, certainly one of them (likely -- more) would've found it worthy of paying some amount - call that X, certainly one of them (likely most of them) would not have ever bought it had it not been available from torrent sites- call that Y, certainly one of Y (likely -- more) will as a result either buy a retail copy or buy another item from the same artist which they would never have bought otherwise call that Z, certainly one of them (likely -- more) will turn a casual hobby of collecting music into an obsession since the availability of music allows them to permiate their lives with it and among them and their friends owning genuine pretty printed CD's becomes a status symbol, their music collection ends up a thousand times the size it would have been without pirated music but their collection of store bought and signed CD's ends up ten times the size it ever would have been had this not absorbed their lives. Lets call that group C
x/1000 + (Y*0) - Z - C*10
So If you want to call x/1000 a "theft" should we start calling (Z - C*10) a "Donation"?
What's the term for giving someone something they haven't asked for?
If X/1000 is "taking" or "theft" then equally would you like to put your own name to (Z - C*10)?
It's a fair point though, the world doesn't have to be intuitive.
And when that topic came up on slashdot I questioned the wisdom running windows on military hardware for security reasons and was laughed at since people took they view that this is the military, they're not going to network the boxes, they have more sense, it's not like they'd be connected to the net! god no!
Well now I claim the right of "I told you so!"
And there was me thinking this would need to be altered more to make sense...
Sure showed me...